where does the shuttle belong? hou or ny

[zlicius]

ed here

since this is a broad based forum

where does the shuttle naturally belong?

obviously you know what my/our answer is, just curious what the rest of the nation thinks.

[Hydrant]

Dayton,

Wright Patterson Air Force Museum


They are raising a big stink about them not getting a shuttle here.

[EpyonXero]

Somewhere where lots of people can see it. Not Houston.

[askmrjesus]

Space.

JC

[Particle Man]

Somewhere where lots of people can see it. Not Houston.

Space.

JC

Both of these.

Also, it pisses me off that our supposed "lawmakers" are spending time on crap like this (Texas Senator working to present and pass a Bill to get the shuttle in Houston). Why the fuck does a Bill have to be presented for stupid shit like this? Do they not have enough fucking work to do?

Oh wait, they can't address the "real" problems - that may piss off the voters. Can't have that. They're so busy KEEPING their jobs that they can't DO their fucking jobs.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[Dave]

Whiney new yorkers can drive to bwi to see one just like everyone else. Last time I checked no shuttles flew from new york

[tommymac]

Both of these.

Also, it pisses me off that our supposed "lawmakers" are spending time on crap like this (Texas Senator working to present and pass a Bill to get the shuttle in Houston). Why the fuck does a Bill have to be presented for stupid shit like this? Do they not have enough fucking work to do?

Oh wait, they can't address the "real" problems - that may piss off the voters. Can't have that. They're so busy KEEPING their jobs that they can't DO their fucking jobs.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

after this theyre going to work on fixing the BCS

[VatorMan]

Whiney new yorkers can drive to bwi to see one just like everyone else. Last time I checked no shuttles flew from new york

Dulles.

[RACER X]

Both of these.

Also, it pisses me off that our supposed "lawmakers" are spending time on crap like this (Texas Senator working to present and pass a Bill to get the shuttle in Houston). Why the fuck does a Bill have to be presented for stupid shit like this? Do they not have enough fucking work to do?

Oh wait, they can't address the "real" problems - that may piss off the voters. Can't have that. They're so busy KEEPING their jobs that they can't DO their fucking jobs.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

I think it was a sen. From utah

[derf]

They based the decision on population centers and expected number of visitors each year. The smithsonian and the cape got one each just because, and LA and NY are obvious choices because the large populations centers near them. Yes its gonna piss off texas, but people don't vacation in Houston if they dont have to.

[azoomm]

Houston should have theirs already... some assembly required

[derf]

Houston should have theirs already... some assembly required

Ouch.............but funny

[Trip]

DC or the Cape.

If you want the natural home for it, it's defintiely the Cape. Houston is not even a close second for that. The Cape is by far the natural home of the shuttle.

[RACER X]

DC or the Cape.

If you want the natural home for it, it's defintiely the Cape. Houston is not even a close second for that. The Cape is by far the natural home of the shuttle.

dc and the cape are geting one ea. #3 is going to someplace in ca where they were built.


#4 to ny

[tommymac]

They based the decision on population centers and expected number of visitors each year. The smithsonian and the cape got one each just because, and LA and NY are obvious choices because the large populations centers near them. Yes its gonna piss off texas, but people don't vacation in Houston if they dont have to.

Thats the defense NY is putting up, people from all over the world want to come to NY, not houston, plus the intrepid is a good place for one.

[pauldun170]

Somewhere where lots of people can see it. Not Houston.

Space.

JC

:rockwoot:

[pauldun170]

They based the decision on population centers and expected number of visitors each year. The smithsonian and the cape got one each just because, and LA and NY are obvious choices because the large populations centers near them. Yes its gonna piss off texas, but people don't vacation in Houston if they dont have to.

twoof

[Dave]

Dulles.

You're right, brain fart

[VatorMan]

The Smithsonian has a mock shuttle now. NY can have that. They can hang it from the Rockefeller tree next year.


F NY. They think they own everything.

[Trip]

IF DC/Cape/Cali is getting one. I don't really know where the 4th belongs. Not Houston or NY though. Maybe some small town that could use it to make some tourist money that has importance to the shuttle program.

[RACER X]

They are taking the mock shuttle cabin from the houston space exhibit, and giving 'us' 2 seats from the shuttle

Trip if the cape is #1 for the space program, which city is#2?

[anthonyk]

The Smithsonian has a mock shuttle now. NY can have that. They can hang it from the Rockefeller tree next year.


F NY. They think they own everything.

NY is getting the one that's at the Smithsonian now (the Enterprise, if I remember right).

Houston should have theirs already... some assembly required
:lol

[Dave]

The Smithsonian has a mock shuttle now. NY can have that. They can hang it from the Rockefeller tree next year.


F NY. They think they own everything.

Exactly

[Particle Man]

Houston should have theirs already... some assembly required

:lol:

The Smithsonian has a mock shuttle now. I thought the Smithsonian currently has Enterprise which was a test model (glider) that was never actually outfitted for orbital work? And that's the one that is slated to move to Intrepid...


Edit: Damn, Anthony's post above beat me to it :lol:


which city is#2?

Houston is clearly a big number two...

redflip

[anthonyk]

Maybe some small town that could use it to make some tourist money that has importance to the shuttle program.

Sounds like Houston. :lol:

[Trip]

They are taking the mock shuttle cabin from the houston space exhibit, and giving 'us' 2 seats from the shuttle

Trip if the cape is #1 for the space program, which city is#2?

For the shuttle program there are a lot of #2's. Honestly with Stennis and Michaud right near it and it actually being a decent tourist destination, New Orleans should get it before Houston.

[Trip]

Sounds like Houston. :lol:

No, Houston is a big shitty city that was only good for shipping the losers out of the NOLA after Katrina. That's what they deserve, more undesirables from our other cities, not space shuttles.

[RACER X]

Cuz ny is less chity lol

[Dave]

:lol:

I thought the Smithsonian currently has Enterprise which was a test model (glider) that was never actually outfitted for orbital work? And that's the one that is slated to move to Intrepid...


Edit: Damn, Anthony's post above beat me to it :lol:




Houston is clearly a big number two...

redflip

Yeah, enterprise flew in atmosphere. Nothing mock about it. Fun fact: in the late eighties when my old man found out it was at dulles he packed us all in the car and drove down to try and see it. Found the airport manager's office and played on his status as an army officer to get us a private viewing of the thing. It was parked off in some forgotten corner of the airport next to a few other decaying hulks and wouldn't you know it? My toddling ass ran up and kicked it.

True story

That was the day I discovered you can get away with anything if you act like you belong there

[Papa_Complex]

They've got one in Huntsville, AL fer Christsake. Send it to a big city, that doesn't have ties to the industry, to try and create some excitement about space exploration again.

[anthonyk]

I really don't care where the shuttles end up, since I'm gonna hit up the smithsonian anyway, and I can see one then.

But shittyness aside, Houston is Mission freakin' Control. It does seem like a bit of a slap in the face.

[pauldun170]

Yeah, enterprise flew in atmosphere. Nothing mock about it. Fun fact: in the late eighties when my old man found out it was at dulles he packed us all in the car and drove down to try and see it. Found the airport manager's office and played on his status as an army officer to get us a private viewing of the thing. It was parked off in some forgotten corner of the airport next to a few other decaying hulks and wouldn't you know it? My toddling ass ran up and kicked it.

True story

That was the day I discovered you can get away with anything if you act like you belong there

Ever walk into a police station, past the front desk into the offices and start going through filing cabinets?

You don't have to be a cop to do it.

[Trip]

Cuz ny is less chity lol

I agree, I don't think ny should get it either. They are close to dc.

[goof2]

Houston should get one.

[derf]

The only thing to come out of texas are steers and queers, and neither of those flew on the shuttle, huston does not deserve one

[G-Rex]

Send it to a big city, that doesn't have ties to the industry, to try and create some excitement about space exploration again.

So we should park it on the lawn of the White House then?

Personally, I don't think it belongs in NYC. The people that go to NYC aren't going to say *Hey, NYC has a shuttle. I think I"ll go there for that.*

[RACER X]

Maybe houston should house the world trade center memorial, makes about as much sense.

[Trip]

Just realized they are fighting over the Enterprise? Who gives a fuck about that one. I don't want to go see a glider, I want to see an actual "Space" shuttle. File this in the I don't give a shit category.

[Trip]

You know it would make sense for Houston to get the Enterprise. They would have the one no one actually gives a shit about.

[Papa_Complex]

So we should park it on the lawn of the White House then?

Personally, I don't think it belongs in NYC. The people that go to NYC aren't going to say *Hey, NYC has a shuttle. I think I"ll go there for that.*

Maybe Detroit, IL.

"Hey guys, why can't YOU make something like this?"

Just realized they are fighting over the Enterprise? Who gives a fuck about that one. I don't want to go see a glider, I want to see an actual "Space" shuttle. File this in the I don't give a shit category.

Well then it has to go to Riverside, Iowa (birthplace of one James Tiberius Kirk).

[askmrjesus]

Maybe Detroit, IL.

"Hey guys, why can't YOU make something like this?"

We can't make it because we're in the wrong state? :lol:

JC

[Trip]

lol

[Dave]

Ever walk into a police station, past the front desk into the offices and start going through filing cabinets?

You don't have to be a cop to do it.

I wouldn't imagine one would..

[Papa_Complex]

We can't make it because we're in the wrong state? :lol:

JC

Lack of capitalization duly noted :lol:

[pauldun170]

I wouldn't imagine one would..

If you look the part and act the business...you can go where you please.
30's to late 40's male
Athletic build
clean shaven
short hair
Annoyed..rushed look on your face

Keys to the kingdom.

I haven't done it because I stand out. Friend of mine has done it.

He was with his buddy (who is a cop) and his buddy left something in the office so he sent him in to go get it.
Not one person questioned him. If anyone looked at him he just said "Whats up bro" and kept on walking.

[askmrjesus]

If you look the part and act the business...you can go where you please.
30's to late 40's male
Athletic build
clean shaven
short hair
Annoyed..rushed look on your face

Keys to the kingdom.

I haven't done it because I stand out. Friend of mine has done it.

A clip board and the words, "I'm from accounting".

Unless you're actually IN accounting, in which case you should be from maintenance.

JC

[Papa_Complex]

I always found that the clip from a security badge, with the attachment loop flipped back into the pocket as if you're above being bothered, worked a treat.

[azoomm]

A clip board and the words, "I'm from accounting".

Unless you're actually IN accounting, in which case you should be from maintenance.

JC

A clip board is an all access pass in many places...

[Particle Man]

A clip board is an all access pass in many places...

kinky

[Trip]

kinky

how to get anal sex? Why, carry a clipboard, of course.

[Dave]

how to get anal sex? Why, carry a clipboard, of course.

And a brick

[Papa_Complex]

And a brick

No, just a clipboard.

[azoomm]

:lol: You boys need to get laid more often. Just sayin' [not offering]

[Tmall]

Sign into your own account ya lazy ass.

[fasternyou929]

Sign into your own account ya lazy ass.

I knew I couldn't be the only one thinking it. :lol:

[Particle Man]

Sign into your own account ya lazy ass.

:lmao:

[RACER X]

Desktop is on her acct
iPad and phone are onmine

[Homeslice]

Honestly, who cares. It isn't like the residents of any particular city are bigger "fans" of the shuttle than another.

Desktop is on her acct
iPad and phone are onmine

Log out and log back in?

Advanced concept, I know :lol:

[RACER X]

Or deal w it

Don't like it, don't read the threads

Easy concept

[Homeslice]

but people don't vacation in Houston if they dont have to.

troof

[askmrjesus]

Or deal w it

Don't like it, don't read the threads

Easy concept

Hey, quick question;

If you locked yourself out of the Space Shuttle, who would you call?

JC

[Trip]

Hey, quick question;

If you locked yourself out of the Space Shuttle, who would you call?

JC

Ghostbusters

Defintely not Vigo, he's the master of evil.

[Papa_Complex]

Hey, quick question;

If you locked yourself out of the Space Shuttle, who would you call?

JC

Who else?

[askmrjesus]

Who else?

I just spayed Merlot at an open flame.

I mean sprayed.

Fucking r's.

JC

[Papa_Complex]

I just spayed Merlot at an open flame.

I mean sprayed.

Fucking r's.

JC

Wasn't worth wasting a good Merlot, so I hope it was a crappy one. If I could have found one for Houston, then .....

[zlicius]

and when people wanna visit THE space program, they think NEW YORK.........:whatwhat:

The Saturn V. Holycrap this thing is huge!!

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr34/Gixman1k/saturn_v.jpg

Me standing at the back (bottom?). Those engines are monsters!

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr34/Gixman1k/saturn_v_engines.jpg

:)

[Trip]

and when people wanna visit THE space program, they think NEW YORK.........:whatwhat:

Actually they think Cape Canaveral

[zlicius]

Actually they think Cape Canaveral

so what can reg. peeps see there? never been.

agreed to a point, ya think new york or houston as #2


from traceys trip


"No trip is complete without a little bit of sightseeing!

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr34/Gixman1k/nasa.jpg"

[Papa_Complex]

Actually they think Cape Canaveral

Von Braun thought of Huntsville.

http://www.morallyambiguous.net/multimedia/gallery2/d/31303-5/PA317274.JPG

http://www.morallyambiguous.net/multimedia/gallery2/d/31402-5/PA317313.JPG

http://www.morallyambiguous.net/multimedia/gallery2/d/31447-5/PA317330.JPG


Though apparently so did The Beatles....

http://www.morallyambiguous.net/multimedia/gallery2/d/31441-5/PA317328.JPG

[Trip]

so what can reg. peeps see there? never been.

agreed to a point, ya think new york or houston as #2

There is no #2. There is Cape Canaveral and there is everything else. As a space junkie as a kid, Houston wasn't important to me. Sure that's where the training facility was and all that crap. (They have Space Camps all over the place, btw) But, I wanted to see where people GO TO SPACE. That's the Cape. You don't see what you can see at the Space Coast anywhere else.

They have all kinds of crap there, you plan your trip there around space shuttle launches or other rocket launches.

[Trip]

Von Braun thought of Huntsville.

That really is the only thing to do in Huntsville. I hate going down there. I sometimes have to go to our Nuke Plant outside of Huntsville, just north of Decatur. Browns Ferry Nuke Plant, it's just like the Japan Plant that had all those issues.

[Papa_Complex]

That really is the only thing to do in Huntsville. I hate going down there. I sometimes have to go to our Nuke Plant outside of Huntsville, just north of Decatur. Browns Ferry Nuke Plant, it's just like the Japan Plant that had all those issues.

Not the one north of Guntersville Lake?

(top right)

http://www.morallyambiguous.net/multimedia/pics/trips/2001_may_hunstville_alabama/DSCN0038s.JPG

I could be wrong about the location of the picture. I generally prefer to get completely lost, when I go for a ride in an area that I don't know :lol:

[Rangerscott]

It needs to be in a location where it's not a huge city and not too small. A place where there is enough attractions that people would want to make the trip and stay the whole weekend to a full week, but not have to be in a huge city.

[Papa_Complex]

Right; Vegas it is.

[Trip]

Not the one north of Guntersville Lake?

(top right)

I could be wrong about the location of the picture. I generally prefer to get completely lost, when I go for a ride in an area that I don't know :lol:

That's Bellefonte, it's not in operation. I have been there a lot too. I use to go there every year for training and hang out with ontwo.

[Trip]

Right; Vegas it is.

Then they could use it in a stunt show, I mean it's just a fucking glider. Who the fuck cares?

[Papa_Complex]

Then they could use it in a stunt show, I mean it's just a fucking glider. Who the fuck cares?

I'm thinking a runaway evil aliens shtick, where they crash it on The Strip a la "Con Air."

[pauldun170]

Then they could use it in a stunt show, I mean it's just a fucking glider. Who the fuck cares?

:lol

[Corey]

I may be the only person to throw this up there, but Edwards AFB should get one. That was THE landing spot for a majority of the missions until they decided to dump it all back to Florida. I'd put them at #2 for the Shuttle Program, right after Florida.

[Homeslice]

I may be the only person to throw this up there, but Edwards AFB should get one. That was THE landing spot for a majority of the missions until they decided to dump it all back to Florida. I'd put them at #2 for the Shuttle Program, right after Florida.

Too bad not many people would drive into a desert 200 miles from LA just to see a shuttle.

[Corey]

Too bad not many people would drive into a desert 200 miles from LA just to see a shuttle.

Fuck em. Edwards may be a shit dump desert slum in the middle of nowhere, but it's got ties to the program. And they put on a mean Air Show. :lol:

[RACER X]

Hmmm

Same question on busa board posed this evening

Ny = 0
Hou = 9
other = 1

[Trip]

Hmmm

Same question on busa board posed this evening

Ny = 0
Hou = 9
other = 1

Why do you care so much about a fucking glider? It's not a real shuttle.

[RACER X]

Why post if you really don't care

Night night

[Dave]

Why do you care so much about a fucking glider? It's not a real shuttle.

What makes it not real? That it was never flown in space? You do know it was nearly outfitted for spaceflight to replace challenger right?

[zlicius]

hmmm......busa board

ny 1
hou 12
other 1

[Papa_Complex]

Houston is already sold on the space programme. They don't need the bribe.

[Trip]

What makes it not real? That it was never flown in space? You do know it was nearly outfitted for spaceflight to replace challenger right?

It never went to space, it's just a prop.

[RACER X]

A prop > 2 space shuttle seats

[Papa_Complex]

A prop > 2 space shuttle seats

But significantly less than millions of dollars that are dumped into the local economy, already.

*EDIT* Sorry, make that $1.1B in the Houston area, in 2009.

[RACER X]

Lots of layoffs in the coming yrs,in the thousands

[Papa_Complex]

Lots of layoffs in the coming yrs,in the thousands

Then by all means, give them a Shuttle. That'll shut them up :skep:

[askmrjesus]

hmmm......busa board

ny 1
hou 12
other 1

When I need some extra brain power, the busa board is always my first stop too. :lol:

JC

[Papa_Complex]

When I need some extra brain power, the busa board is always my first stop too. :lol:

JC

If by "busa board" he means LABusas, then I would hardly call them a cultural cross-section :lol:

I didn't know that Ducmaniac had died though.

[RACER X]

Naw, not labusas, just busa.org

Didn't think this topic took alot of brainpower, that's why I asked here and there

[azoomm]

Lots of layoffs in the coming yrs,in the thousands

Fuck an aye, Ed... is it really that hard to type an ea? Maybe we would take your opinion more seriously if you typed words, not a random collection of letters.

OK, so we wouldn't, but my head wouldn't hurt trying to read it. Z, smack him for me, OK?

[askmrjesus]

OK, so we wouldn't...

This. :lol:

JC

[RACER X]

Right, so why try lol

Plus I'm on my phone

This swype feature is cool!

[Dave]

It never went to space, it's just a prop.

Props don't fly.

[EpyonXero]

Hey, quick question;

If you locked yourself out of the Space Shuttle, who would you call?

JC

lmao

[Trip]

Props don't fly.

This one doesn't either, it falls gracefully.

[goof2]

Why do you care so much about a fucking glider? It's not a real shuttle.

It was still pretty impressive when I saw it at the Smithsonian.

Discovery should go to the Smithsonian as planned to replace Enterprise. Atlantis should go to the Cape as planned. Endeavour should go to Houston. They can send Enterprise to whatever stupid place they pull out of their ass. As long as they are sending Endeavour to New York they should send the Canadarm they are removing from it to Mexico.

[Trip]

It was still pretty impressive when I saw it at the Smithsonian.

Discovery should go to the Smithsonian as planned to replace Enterprise. Atlantis should go to the Cape as planned. Endeavour should go to Houston. They can send Enterprise to whatever stupid place they pull out of their ass. As long as they are sending Endeavour to New York they should send the Canadarm they are removing from it to Mexico.

I saw Enterprise as well. Now that the real ones are going to be available for viewing, I would much rather visit one of them.

[Papa_Complex]

This one doesn't either, it falls gracefully.

As they used to say, when the Shuttle first started to undergo drop tests, it glides like a brick.

[VatorMan]

I saw Enterprise as well. Now that the real ones are going to be available for viewing, I would much rather visit one of them.

I hope they don't clean it up before putting it in the Smithsonian. I want to see it missing tiles, black streaks and all. Just like it just landed.

[RACER X]

I hope they don't clean it up before putting it in the Smithsonian. I want to see it missing tiles, black streaks and all. Just like it just landed.

Agreed

Busa board,
Ny 3
Hou 18
Other 3

[Trip]

Agreed

Busa board,
Ny 3
Hou 18
Other 3

Why do you keep posting the Busa board results, we don't care about those fucks. LOL

[tommymac]

I hope they don't clean it up before putting it in the Smithsonian. I want to see it missing tiles, black streaks and all. Just like it just landed.

Hope they didnt take a power washer to it :lol:

[fasternyou929]

Agreed

Busa board,
Ny 3
Hou 18
Other 3

Strong work, Ed. I bet you're only 1 post with "busa board" results away from changing everyone's mind about where the glider should go.

[EpyonXero]

Agreed

Busa board,
Ny 3
Hou 18
Other 3

Hmmm, they must know something I dont. I think Ill change my vote to Houston.

[RACER X]

Why do you keep posting the Busa board results, we don't care about those fucks. LOL

Just another set of numbers

Why do you keep posting about a prop glider you don't care about

Why do people keep posting in thread s by somebody they don't like nor care about the ttopic

[Homeslice]

Just curious, is this busa board based in Texas?

[Trip]

To harass you about your glider lust

[askmrjesus]

Hope they didnt take a power washer to it :lol:

Fuck you too.

:lol:

JC

[Trip]

Hope they didnt take a power washer to it :lol:

They did shoot foam at it when doing a RCA for Columbia.

[askmrjesus]

They did shoot foam at it when doing a RCA for Columbia.

Shuttle Porn money shot for the win!

JC

[defector]

Where is Houston?

Where do hemmorrhoids come from?

What is a space shuttle?

Why does it sting when I piss?

Why don't they put it in Wyoming, so people will go there?

Why do people ask so many damn questions?

[RACER X]

Just curious, is this busa board based in Texas?

Don't know, just another board w random people from all over just like this one

[Homeslice]

Don't know, just another board w random people from all over just like this one

Every board has a regional "skew" because of word of mouth..........Kinda like this board is skewed towards the South & Mid-Atlantic

[RACER X]

I dunno,i prob just googled hayabusa forum and that's what I got, and I would guess most find it that way, vs here was a following of people

[pauldun170]

Well I would expect all the conservative tea party folks to want all the shuttles destroyed since they were created using TAX DOLLARS and not private market\capitalism blah blah blah Ron Paul say they suckism.

If you support the space shuttle in your town...you support socialism.

[Homeslice]

Well I would expect all the conservative tea party folks to want all the shuttles destroyed since they were created using TAX DOLLARS and not private market\capitalism blah blah blah Ron Paul say they suckism.

If you support the space shuttle in your town...you support socialism.
Yeah but conservatives were always cool with the space program, cuz it was full of clean-cut good 'ol boys........and also because we were competing against those dang gone communists

[pauldun170]

Yeah but conservatives were always cool with the space program, cuz it was full of clean-cut good 'ol boys........and also because we were competing against those dang gone communists

BS

They haven't been cool with it for years.
They cant use it for the patriotism factor anymore since the USSR collapsed.

[Homeslice]

Proof that they haven't been cool with it?

redflip

Because usually whenever I see some dufus saying we shouldn't "waste" money on space, it's some left-winger bleating that we should spend it on cancer research or the homeless. :shrug:

[askmrjesus]

Because usually whenever I see some dufus saying we shouldn't "waste" money on space, it's some left-winger bleating that we should spend it on cancer research or the homeless. :shrug:

Bullshit. We need more shuttles so we can send old people into space.

Social Security? Problem solved.

JC

[Papa_Complex]

Bullshit. We need more shuttles so we can send old people into space.

Social Security? Problem solved.

JC

The CEV holds as many people and you don't have to bring it back, so you save time getting them out of the gravity well. Fire, forget, reload, fire.

http://www.morallyambiguous.net/multimedia/gallery2/d/31396-5/PA317309.JPG

http://www.morallyambiguous.net/multimedia/gallery2/d/31393-5/PA317307.JPG

After all, it's not like they'd be taking anything with them.

[tommymac]

Now if you can package this as a trip to mohegan sun or atlantic city you can dramatically thin the herd very quickly :lol:

[askmrjesus]

The CEV holds as many people and you don't have to bring it back, so you save time getting them out of the gravity well. Fire, forget, reload, fire.

After all, it's not like they'd be taking anything with them.

Perfect.

Get me 10,000 of them with Buick logos, and we're set to go.

JC

[askmrjesus]

Now if you can package this as a trip to mohegan sun or atlantic city you can dramatically thin the herd very quickly :lol:

:lol:

Oh ladies...

It's bingo night in the stratosphere!

JC

[tommymac]

Perfect.

Get me 10,000 of them with Buick logos, and we're set to go.

JC

We will send those to florida, I think my idea will clean out the NY tristate area :lol:

[Papa_Complex]

Now if you can package this as a trip to mohegan sun or atlantic city you can dramatically thin the herd very quickly :lol:

Why bother? Just bill it as a shuttle to Old Country Buffet and fire them off at 7:00am, on Saturdays.

Perfect.

Get me 10,000 of them with Buick logos, and we're set to go.

JC

Cheaper than Medicare + SS.

[Trip]

Yeah but conservatives were always cool with the space program, cuz it was full of clean-cut good 'ol boys........and also because we were competing against those dang gone communists

BS

They haven't been cool with it for years.
They cant use it for the patriotism factor anymore since the USSR collapsed.

Proof that they haven't been cool with it?

redflip

Because usually whenever I see some dufus saying we shouldn't "waste" money on space, it's some left-winger bleating that we should spend it on cancer research or the homeless. :shrug:

Well the problem with NASA is they have become a bunch of fuck ups. It's managed and run very poorly, by guess what, Liberals. The engineers worth a damn do not go to NASA anymore. NASA pay is shit pay, they can get much better pay in the commercial industry. I am much better paid for my pay grade than the equivalent NASA engineer of my experience.

NASA is too worried about promoting diversity than getting shit done like they did in the 60s.

[Papa_Complex]

Well the problem with NASA is they have become a bunch of fuck ups. It's managed and run very poorly, by guess what, Liberals. The engineers worth a damn do not go to NASA anymore. NASA pay is shit pay, they can get much better pay in the commercial industry. I am much better paid for my pay grade than the equivalent NASA engineer of my experience.

NASA is too worried about promoting diversity than getting shit done like they did in the 60s.

That's because back in the '60s, Kennedy gave them a goal to reach. You just know what's required to get them back on track.

"Get your ass to Mars."

[Trip]

That's because back in the '60s, Kennedy gave them a goal to reach. You just know what's required to get them back on track.

"Get your ass to Mars."

The engineers back then in NASA were the best in the industry. The government wasn't afraid to throw real cash at a problem and get an actual working solution back then.

Now our plan is throw a little cash at a problem, get a shitty non working partial solution and have the contractor ask for more money to finish that solution. The government gives this money, the contractor rides this cash as long as they can and then bolts for the door and then the government has to fork out a huge amount of money to another contractor who will end up finally giving the government a working solution, although a crappy one.

[Homeslice]

Perfect.

Get me 10,000 of them with Buick logos, and we're set to go.

JC

The Buick stereotype used to work, but now I'm not sure.....They are targeting people in their 30's and 40's with the so-called "sport injected" Regal Turbo, as well as the "sweet/hella tight" Enclave.

Toyota is the new senior citizen's brand (Camrys and Avalons)

[fasternyou929]

The Buick stereotype used to work, but now I'm not sure.....They are targeting people in their 30's and 40's with the so-called "sport injected" Regal Turbo, as well as the "sweet/hella tight" Enclave.

Toyota is the new senior citizen's brand (Camrys and Avalons)

That may be their target, but what I see on the roads would suggest Buick is a piss poor shot.

Toyota is the brand for people that hate to drive and want to be as disconnected from the experience as humanly possible. NHTSA approved for all ages.

At least, that's what I see around here. If Buick's are "hip" on the West Coast now, you guys are beyond hope!

[Trip]

Toyota is the brand for people that hate to drive and want to be as disconnected from the experience as humanly possible. NHTSA approved for all ages.

That describes me perfectly.

[EpyonXero]

The engineers back then in NASA were the best in the industry. The government wasn't afraid to throw real cash at a problem and get an actual working solution back then.

Now our plan is throw a little cash at a problem, get a shitty non working partial solution and have the contractor ask for more money to finish that solution. The government gives this money, the contractor rides this cash as long as they can and then bolts for the door and then the government has to fork out a huge amount of money to another contractor who will end up finally giving the government a working solution, although a crappy one.

That describes just about all government engineering.

[Trip]

That describes just about all government engineering.

Pretty much. It's what I am use to.

[Papa_Complex]

The engineers back then in NASA were the best in the industry.

Don't I know it! A shit-ton of them came from Avro :lol:

[Homeslice]

Don't I know it! A shit-ton of them came from Avro :lol:

Wasn't Avro the company that was supposedly working on a flying saucer :lol:

[Papa_Complex]

Wasn't Avro the company that was supposedly working on a flying saucer :lol:

The Avrocar. They also developed the most advanced fighter of their time; the Arrow.

[Adeptus_Minor]

I say some other city with significance to the space program. (nothing comes to mind right now, but that's my vote)

Houston already has rockets and other space program attractions, and those had to be massively restored a few years back due to environmental damage.
Houston gets hurricanes, floods, and other disasters that make it an unsuitable place to store a piece of history.

New York... well... shit, they already have everything else, don't they?
Seriously.
I realize the logic behind placing items of significance in cultural centers, but doesn't the term "putting all your eggs in one basket" come to mind?
One little disaster and :blowup: ...all gone.

And LA? Same thing... Why we keep anything we value in LA is beyond me.

[Papa_Complex]

There's something in LA of cultural or historic significance?

[derf]

There's something in LA of cultural or historic significance?

Yes, that's where we keep the circus attractions, paris hilton, sheen, lohan, tara reid, those people

[askmrjesus]

I realize the logic behind placing items of significance in cultural centers, but doesn't the term "putting all your eggs in one basket" come to mind?

Why the hell do you think we keep Tony Orlando and Dawn, in Branson Missouri?

Two words dude; National Fucking Security.

The fucking is silent.

JC

[Looni2ns]

All I can say is that when things happened, and they needed help, the astronauts sure as hell didn't say, "NY, we have a problem."

They trained the astronauts. They ran the missions. Houston deserves a shuttle.

[goof2]

The engineers back then in NASA were the best in the industry. The government wasn't afraid to throw real cash at a problem and get an actual working solution back then.

Now our plan is throw a little cash at a problem, get a shitty non working partial solution and have the contractor ask for more money to finish that solution. The government gives this money, the contractor rides this cash as long as they can and then bolts for the door and then the government has to fork out a huge amount of money to another contractor who will end up finally giving the government a working solution, although a crappy one.

That is what they have been trained to do. The government tendency (regardless of party) to demand a bunch of something as soon as possible only to pay late as hell and ultimately cancel the program has put a number of companies out of business or make them ripe takeover/acquisition targets. There is a reason Boeing owns a huge portion of the American aerospace industry.

[Trip]

Don't I know it! A shit-ton of them came from Avro :lol:

The Nazis also helped our recruitment.

[Papa_Complex]

The Nazis also helped our recruitment.

Yup, they sure did.

http://www.morallyambiguous.net/multimedia/pics/trips/2001_may_hunstville_alabama/DSCN0019.JPG

[Particle Man]

New poll: where to tell Houston to stick the shuttle...


:D

[Homeslice]

And LA? Same thing... Why we keep anything we value in LA is beyond me.
What does Austin have? Yeah, you might have a ton of microbreweries and music festivals and well-off 20-something scenesters who think Austin is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but 200 other towns in America are just like that (only they're not as hot & muggy in the summer)

[Adeptus_Minor]

What does Austin have? Yeah, you might have a ton of microbreweries and music festivals and well-off 20-something scenesters who think Austin is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but 200 other towns in America are just like that (only they're not as hot & muggy in the summer)

Actually, Austin is awful. Nobody should move here. Seriously. :whistle:
To keep it relevant, I wasn't suggesting Austin get the shuttle either...just saying that cities sitting on or near massive active fault lines are probably not the greatest place to store items of historical significance. :idk:

[Papa_Complex]

New poll: where to tell Houston to stick the shuttle...


:D

In Dallas.

[Captain Morgan]

Also, it pisses me off that our supposed "lawmakers" are spending time on crap like this (Texas Senator working to present and pass a Bill to get the shuttle in Houston). Why the fuck does a Bill have to be presented for stupid shit like this? Do they not have enough fucking work to do?

Oh wait, they can't address the "real" problems - that may piss off the voters. Can't have that. They're so busy KEEPING their jobs that they can't DO their fucking jobs.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Agree 100%

[Particle Man]

In Dallas.

a it more, uh, pedestrian than I was going to suggest...

[Papa_Complex]

a it more, uh, pedestrian than I was going to suggest...

Anatomically impossible.

[Particle Man]

Anatomically impossible.

I dunno - there are some pretty big a**holes out there...

[Homeslice]

Actually, Austin is awful. Nobody should move here. Seriously. :whistle:
To keep it relevant, I wasn't suggesting Austin get the shuttle either...just saying that cities sitting on or near massive active fault lines are probably not the greatest place to store items of historical significance. :idk:

If the island of La Palma erupts, it's possible NY could be wiped out :shrug:

[tommymac]

What does Austin have? Yeah, you might have a ton of microbreweries and music festivals and well-off 20-something scenesters who think Austin is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but 200 other towns in America are just like that (only they're not as hot & muggy in the summer)

we got sall the wannabe hipsters in manhattan and brooklyn so thats nothing different, and were working on the good microbreweries ;)

[Avatard]

Space.

JC

Correct answer.

Lift vehicles should be replaced, orbiters should continue to be used.

Original Space Shuttle plans were for a space plane lift vehicle, instead of the oxygen/aluminum "bomb" trio they ended up strapping it to for launch (keeping a straight face when the first one blew up must have been hard).

Put the damn thing on a reusable lift vehicle, as it should have been deployed in the first place, and it will continue to be a lower cost sustainable workhorse for years to come.

[Particle Man]

Correct answer.

Lift vehicles should be replaced, orbiters should continue to be used.

Original Space Shuttle plans were for a space plane lift vehicle, instead of the oxygen/aluminum "bomb" trio they ended up strapping it to for launch (keeping a straight face when the first one blew up must have been hard).

Put the damn thing on a reusable lift vehicle, as it should have been deployed in the first place, and it will continue to be a lower cost sustainable workhorse for years to come.

But then the launch wouldn't be as much of an "ooooh, ahhhh" event. The American public only go for flashy. Flashy = Publicity. Publicity = Money. Sad that something can't be considered useful and therefore fundable for it's own sake...

[goof2]

Correct answer.

Lift vehicles should be replaced, orbiters should continue to be used.

Original Space Shuttle plans were for a space plane lift vehicle, instead of the oxygen/aluminum "bomb" trio they ended up strapping it to for launch (keeping a straight face when the first one blew up must have been hard).

Put the damn thing on a reusable lift vehicle, as it should have been deployed in the first place, and it will continue to be a lower cost sustainable workhorse for years to come.

They didn't go with the space plane lift vehicle due to complexity and cost. Even if they had gone that direction it still would have ended up being a rocket fuel "bomb" strapped to the shuttle, only one designed to go primarily horizontal rather than vertical. It would have used jet engines to get it to the right altitude and speed to fire its rockets, then used the rockets to get to the right altitude and speed to jettison the shuttle. There would be nothing "lower cost" about designing and building some today.

[Avatard]

I politely disagree.

Replacing the lift vehicle means undertaking a project to make an advanced lift aircraft, not replace an entire spacecraft program (read: mo' money).

You can talk some fucking shit, boy, but you can't convince me that some lift planes are gonna cost more than replacing an entire fucking space program.

[OneSickPsycho]

New York, we have a problem.

[goof2]

I politely disagree.

Replacing the lift vehicle means undertaking a project to make an advanced lift aircraft, not replace an entire spacecraft program (read: mo' money).

You can talk some fucking shit, boy, but you can't convince me that some lift planes are gonna cost more than replacing an entire fucking space program.

What do you mean? We aren't replacing the entire space program. We will be using commercial launch services and Russian rockets, both of which already exist, to replace the shuttle which is essentially an SUV to low earth orbit.

What you are talking about is not only replacing that with a non-existent vehicle, but a vehicle that practically every space program has examined and subsequently discarded as too complex and expensive. I "can talk some fucking shit, boy" because I am backed up by every substantial space program on the planet.

[Avatard]

I don't think a lift plane is impossible. I think the government has to look to the private companies, and take bids on designs, though, and not try and do it "in house" with NASA.

That FO SHO ain't gonna fly [pun intended].

[goof2]

Nobody has said it is impossible, just more complex and expensive when compared to other options.

ETA: Also, neither Apollo or the Shuttle were built "in house" by NASA. They both went through a process similar to what you describe.

[anthonyk]

I never really understood the whole lift plane idea. You're gonna build a reusable vehicle with a sizeable payload capacity so it can ferry another reusable vehicle with a (relatively) crappy payload capacity most of the way up to orbit. (Actually, since the shuttle orbiter doesn't have tanks for its main engines, you'd have to get it all the way up to orbit, I'm guessing.)

:scratch:

Take the glider prop off the back, and fly that lift plane all the way up to orbit with something useful on its back.

[Avatard]

Actually, a proper lift plane could take an orbiter most of the way up, and smaller external Ox tanks could make the boost into orbit without having to use any aluminum "Roman Candles". Remember, the orbiter has engines.

[Trip]

Orbiters are a waste of time, we need to get back to long distance space flight. NASA actually did right by bailing on the shuttles and focusing on returning to the moon and maybe eventually mars. Let the private sector figure out the low orbit shit.

[Adeptus_Minor]

If the island of La Palma erupts, it's possible NY could be wiped out :shrug:

...which is why I voted against New York too :lol:
(well, not specifically that, but I voted against NY too)

[anthonyk]

Actually, a proper lift plane could take an orbiter most of the way up, and smaller external Ox tanks could make the boost into orbit without having to use any aluminum "Roman Candles". Remember, the orbiter has engines.

Yeah, but then again, put engines and tanks on the lift plane and you can increase payload capacity by taking the separate orbiter out of the picture completely.

Orbiters are a waste of time, we need to get back to long distance space flight. NASA actually did right by bailing on the shuttles and focusing on returning to the moon and maybe eventually mars. Let the private sector figure out the low orbit shit.

Let the private sector figure out how to ferry people around, but if you're gonna go any significant distance from earth, it makes sense to build your ship in orbit. Something reusable that can ferry big payloads up and down might be pretty useful.

[goof2]

Actually, a proper lift plane could take an orbiter most of the way up, and smaller external Ox tanks could make the boost into orbit without having to use any aluminum "Roman Candles". Remember, the orbiter has engines.

Regardless of how it is accomplished the Shuttle still has to get up to around 20,000mph to get to low earth orbit. There is currently only one option for achieving those kinds of speeds, "Roman Candles". Maybe someday we will develop a rail gun or space elevator which will negate that problem, but at that point the Shuttles will be long gone. Currently rockets are needed for either vertical or horizontal launch so the difference in safety is non-existent.