TSA Reduces Former Miss USA to Tears

[Avatard]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/04/tsa-reduces-former-miss-usa-to-tears/237924/

You may represent the young ladies of the USA, but we're gonna touch yer vagina anyway.

:rockwoot:

[anthonyk]

What's funny is that link goes to an article with the headline of "Higher than desirable." :lol

edit: try this one http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/04/tsa-reduces-former-miss-usa-to-tears/237924/

[Avatard]

Fixed.

[Trip]

The scanner doesn't give that much radiation, people are idiots about that as a reason. Flying is much much worse. The reason I don't want to go through it is privacy. I don't want them taking pictures of my junk and I definitely don't want them touching it either.

[Avatard]

It's an invasion of personal privacy that would probably have made the founding fathers of this country take up arms, if it were to have happened on their watch.

Sickening.

[101lifts2]

I'd of felt her up too. :idk

[Avatard]

Now turn it around. What if it was your girl. Your mom.

No so cool, unh?

[Corey]

Everytime I fly, they force me through the scanner and won't fondle my junk. They just don't appreciate my streamlined flip flops and neon pink thong flying outfit.

[zerioustt]

I dont get while people bitch about it, its about safety. Anyone bitching about getting scanned or patted down is packing like a naked 3 year old in a blizzard.

[Avatard]

Yeah, Miss USA must have a small dick.

[zerioustt]

Yeah, Miss USA must have a small dick.

or a large labia...

[Avatard]

Maybe the size of her labia should remain her business in a free country.

[zerioustt]

Maybe the size of her labia should remain her business in a free country.

keyword, free. she and everyone else is free to not take an airplane so they can avoid getting their genitals rubbed.

[Avatard]

So, if it were really free, as you say, I could set up my own airport, and my own airline, and choose not to search my customers?

Probably not.

Reconsider your words.

Remember, these are private airline companies.

[zerioustt]

So, if it were really free, as you say, I could set up my own airport, and my own airline, and choose not to search my customers?

Probably not.

Reconsider your words.

Remember, these are private airline companies.

People have a FREE choice whether to take the flight or not if they dont agree with whats going on. Its to save lives and make sure no one is getting on the plane with anything that theyre not supposed to. Im all for peoples privacy but i dont mind losing some if it means i have a safe flight. This is like people bitching about cops and how they suck but then when they need them theyre their best friends.

[Avatard]

No it's not. You just need a lesson in Liberty, son.

Maybe someone else here has the fucking patience to explain it to you.

[Homeslice]

I dont get while people bitch about it, its about safety. Anyone bitching about getting scanned or patted down is packing like a naked 3 year old in a blizzard.

Is this Speed Addiction in disguise?

Whoever you are, you're a fucking idiot.

[zerioustt]

Is this Speed Addiction in disguise?

Whoever you are, you're a fucking idiot.


lmao...thanks i appreciate it.

[Particle Man]

Its to save lives and make sure no one is getting on the plane with anything that theyre not supposed to.

In the beginning, I would agree with you. If you think that's what it's about NOW then I have a bridge you may be interested in buying.

I fly alot. I've also forgotten about my Gerber pocket knife with it's 3.5" blade being in my pocket about a half dozen times.

Guess what? Not a single time was I stopped about it. Not even once.

Think about that. And yes, at least once was through the new scanners.

[Homeslice]

Forgot to mention though: I like how she says I was Miss USA, damn it! Like as if a TSA agent (or anyone else) is gonna know that shit, and like as if that would give her some kind of green light anyway.

[Avatard]

I think it was just her way of saying "How'd you like to be the next big TSA headline?".

[Homeslice]

In the beginning, I would agree with you. If you think that's what it's about NOW then I have a bridge you may be interested in buying.

I fly alot. I've also forgotten about my Gerber pocket knife with it's 3.5" blade being in my pocket about a half dozen times.

Guess what? Not a single time was I stopped about it. Not even once.

Think about that. And yes, at least once was through the new scanners.

Not only that, but the conveyor belt won't detect plastic explosives or any kind of explosive chemical for that matter. I've carried pouches of protein powder that could have been cocaine or anthrax or explosives, and they never asked to look. Fucking dillrods.

[Avatard]

At best it's a pointless exercise, that serves only to violate people's rights.

I've gone through with a Swiss Army knife (the mac daddy motherfucker) a number of times. The best was being screened to within an inch of my life, only to be given metal silverware on the plane.

Fucking clowns.

[derf]

The scanner doesn't give that much radiation, people are idiots about that as a reason. Flying is much much worse. The reason I don't want to go through it is privacy. I don't want them taking pictures of my junk and I definitely don't want them touching it either.


Ive had skin cancer 5 times now and I'm going for a biopsy next week to see if I can get a double hat trick, yes radiation is a concern for me.

[Tmall]

keyword, free. she and everyone else is free to not take an airplane so they can avoid getting their genitals rubbed.

And just like that, you're part of the problem. :gofurslf:

[OneSickPsycho]

People have a FREE choice whether to take the flight or not if they dont agree with whats going on. Its to save lives and make sure no one is getting on the plane with anything that theyre not supposed to. Im all for peoples privacy but i dont mind losing some if it means i have a safe flight. This is like people bitching about cops and how they suck but then when they need them theyre their best friends.

If you think it makes us more safe, keep drinking the Kool Aid... like the others on here, I've traveled with a pocket knife and jumbo thing of hair gel in my carry on that could have been any number of nasty chemicals... not so much as a second look.

There's a video of Adam Savage from Mythbusters showing a foot long razor blade used to shape styrofoam that he made it through security with... There's also quite a few documented cases of people making it through with much scarier shit...

Body scanning is INCREDIBLY invasive... I could give a fuck if the scanned image of my (horribly disfigured) naked body gets out on the internet... but what about kids? You know there's a disgustingly huge market for kiddie shit and we've already had a number of documented instances where these imaged were leaked... Basically the TSA has just provided another way for pedos to get more kiddie porn... and a good majority of the population just LOVES it!

My theory on how this actually works... The Muslim fanatics see us all scrambling, compromising our way of life, allowing ourselves to be violated... and they love it. THAT'S the only reason there hasn't been another plane related attack as far as I'm concerned. However, at some point in time, we will piss off another group or some home grown whacko will go off the deep end, and we will see exactly how pointless all of this 'security' really is.

Furthermore, you really want to talk about a lack of security? How about the huge gatherings of people in the lines waiting to go through security? I've been in lines of at LEAST 100 people. Nobody so much as looked at me when I got to the airport and walked up to these lines... Someone could saunter in with a fucking nuclear warhead and nobody would notice... Or fuck, how about just one suicide bomber in the middle of that mess - boom, I feel more secure.

The solution is scrutinization of passengers based on profiling... Sorry, it's going to hurt some feelings, but the 90 year old white lady in a wheelchair is most likely not on a suicide mission to take out a building with a plane. The process now is completely brainless and EASY to beat... Profile and observe... use bomb sniffing dogs (the Russians have a FANTASTIC program)... No need to scan my junk or feel up my 6 year old neice...

Ben Franklin said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

[Particle Man]

If you think it makes us more safe, keep drinking the Kool Aid... like the others on here, I've traveled with a pocket knife and jumbo thing of hair gel in my carry on that could have been any number of nasty chemicals... not so much as a second look.

There's a video of Adam Savage from Mythbusters showing a foot long razor blade used to shape styrofoam that he made it through security with... There's also quite a few documented cases of people making it through with much scarier shit...

Body scanning is INCREDIBLY invasive... I could give a fuck if the scanned image of my (horribly disfigured) naked body gets out on the internet... but what about kids? You know there's a disgustingly huge market for kiddie shit and we've already had a number of documented instances where these imaged were leaked... Basically the TSA has just provided another way for pedos to get more kiddie porn... and a good majority of the population just LOVES it!

My theory on how this actually works... The Muslim fanatics see us all scrambling, compromising our way of life, allowing ourselves to be violated... and they love it. THAT'S the only reason there hasn't been another plane related attack as far as I'm concerned. However, at some point in time, we will piss off another group or some home grown whacko will go off the deep end, and we will see exactly how pointless all of this 'security' really is.

Furthermore, you really want to talk about a lack of security? How about the huge gatherings of people in the lines waiting to go through security? I've been in lines of at LEAST 100 people. Nobody so much as looked at me when I got to the airport and walked up to these lines... Someone could saunter in with a fucking nuclear warhead and nobody would notice... Or fuck, how about just one suicide bomber in the middle of that mess - boom, I feel more secure.

The solution is scrutinization of passengers based on profiling... Sorry, it's going to hurt some feelings, but the 90 year old white lady in a wheelchair is most likely not on a suicide mission to take out a building with a plane. The process now is completely brainless and EASY to beat... Profile and observe... use bomb sniffing dogs (the Russians have a FANTASTIC program)... No need to scan my junk or feel up my 6 year old neice...

Ben Franklin said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."You just earned yourself a beer if I ever meet you, sir.

[Kaneman]

The scanner doesn't give that much radiation, people are idiots about that as a reason. Flying is much much worse. The reason I don't want to go through it is privacy. I don't want them taking pictures of my junk and I definitely don't want them touching it either.

And then someone else comes along and says you're stupid for being afraid of someone taking pictures of your junk. 99% of all males on the planet, literally billions of people, have a penis and testicals.....yours are no different than the rest, so what's the big deal?

So really, there are no valid reasons for not going through the scanner, according to that logic.

[fatbuckRTO]

So really, there are no valid reasons for not going through the scanner, according to that logic.It's completely ineffective and a waste of taxpayer time and money, if you're looking for other logic...

[Kaneman]

It's completely ineffective and a waste of taxpayer time and money, if you're looking for other logic...

But then someone else can say that its not, that if you're carrying a handgun the scanners are likely to catch that....thus keeping everyone safe from handguns.

Does anyone see what I'm doing here?

[Dave]

Is this Speed Addiction in disguise?

Whoever you are, you're a fucking idiot.

No and no.

I usually stay out of these arguments since whatever they do at the airport I've put up with worse in service of the nation. To my point of view you all sound like a pack of blubbering vaginas. Do what's required of you or don't go. Simple

[fatbuckRTO]

But then someone else can say that its not, that if you're carrying a handgun the scanners are likely to catch that....thus keeping everyone safe from handguns.

Does anyone see what I'm doing here?
Then someone else can say "When was the last time an airliner was hijacked using a handgun and then flown into a huge skyscraper ultimately killing 3000?" and "Metal detectors detect handguns too," and "Death is always a risk in a free society, especially during mass transit," and finally, in response to 'if you don't want to be scanned don't go to the airport' proponents, "If you don't want to be free don't live in the United States of America."

[fatbuckRTO]

Do what's required of you or don't go. Simple
That's my thought regarding TSA. Do what's required of you or don't exist. Simple.

TSA has never stopped a terrorist attack in it's entire history. All the attacks since 9/11 have been stopped by attentive passengers and/or flight crew. The approach of "search or scan everybody 'randomly' and equally" is ridiculous and impotent, and as a result so is TSA.

[Avatard]

No and no.

I usually stay out of these arguments since whatever they do at the airport I've put up with worse in service of the nation. To my point of view you all sound like a pack of blubbering vaginas. Do what's required of you or don't go. Simple

Do what we tell you!
:lmao:
Freedom fail!
Sheep...


TSA has never stopped a terrorist attack in it's entire history. All the attacks since 9/11 have been stopped by attentive passengers and/or flight crew. The approach of "search or scan everybody 'randomly' and equally" is ridiculous and impotent, and as a result so is TSA.

Correct answer.

[anthonyk]

No and no.

I usually stay out of these arguments since whatever they do at the airport I've put up with worse in service of the nation. To my point of view you all sound like a pack of blubbering vaginas. Do what's required of you or don't go. Simple

I guess I should quit my job then, since not being willing to fly would likely get me fired.




Last trip, I got asked to stand in line for the scanner when there was a perfectly good metal detector standing empty. I asked if I could just go through the metal detector, and the TSA guy just looked at me.

That's how I found out that at least in Buffalo, the TSA guys nickname you "Happy" on the radio if you're grumpy with them. :lol:

[Homeslice]

No and no.

I usually stay out of these arguments since whatever they do at the airport I've put up with worse in service of the nation. To my point of view you all sound like a pack of blubbering vaginas. Do what's required of you or don't go. Simple
The reason you put up with worse is because you have to. You're in the military (voluntarily, I might add). The military exists to take the burden off the citizens. Not just in terms of defending themselves, but also to not have to worry about being treated like cattle.

And just because you're in the military doesn't mean you have to agree lock-step with everyting this country does in the name of security.

[Avatard]

The reason you put up with worse is because you have to. You're in the military (voluntarily, I might add).

Oh, that explains it. He does what he's told, and that's all he knows.

He'll make a nice pet.

Well, that's cool I guess...someone has to defend our freedoms, even if he doesn't personally understand them.

[Homeslice]

Oh, that explains it. He does what he's told, and that's all he knows.

He'll make a nice pet.

I don't accuse servicemen of being robots. I tried to join myself. I just feel that they can't lay claim to the "wo is me" defense. Do they make plenty of sacrifices, yes.....But they voluntarily joined, and in return for their hardships, they receive intangible benefits that civilians don't (pride, camradere, adventure, etc.).

[fnfalman]

Former Miss USA must have been a Muslim terrorist or something...

Fuck the TSA!!!

[goof2]

If you think it makes us more safe, keep drinking the Kool Aid... like the others on here, I've traveled with a pocket knife and jumbo thing of hair gel in my carry on that could have been any number of nasty chemicals... not so much as a second look.

There's a video of Adam Savage from Mythbusters showing a foot long razor blade used to shape styrofoam that he made it through security with... There's also quite a few documented cases of people making it through with much scarier shit...

Body scanning is INCREDIBLY invasive... I could give a fuck if the scanned image of my (horribly disfigured) naked body gets out on the internet... but what about kids? You know there's a disgustingly huge market for kiddie shit and we've already had a number of documented instances where these imaged were leaked... Basically the TSA has just provided another way for pedos to get more kiddie porn... and a good majority of the population just LOVES it!

My theory on how this actually works... The Muslim fanatics see us all scrambling, compromising our way of life, allowing ourselves to be violated... and they love it. THAT'S the only reason there hasn't been another plane related attack as far as I'm concerned. However, at some point in time, we will piss off another group or some home grown whacko will go off the deep end, and we will see exactly how pointless all of this 'security' really is.

Furthermore, you really want to talk about a lack of security? How about the huge gatherings of people in the lines waiting to go through security? I've been in lines of at LEAST 100 people. Nobody so much as looked at me when I got to the airport and walked up to these lines... Someone could saunter in with a fucking nuclear warhead and nobody would notice... Or fuck, how about just one suicide bomber in the middle of that mess - boom, I feel more secure.

The solution is scrutinization of passengers based on profiling... Sorry, it's going to hurt some feelings, but the 90 year old white lady in a wheelchair is most likely not on a suicide mission to take out a building with a plane. The process now is completely brainless and EASY to beat... Profile and observe... use bomb sniffing dogs (the Russians have a FANTASTIC program)... No need to scan my junk or feel up my 6 year old neice...

Ben Franklin said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Someone could also simply make a "blade" out of plastic that would be just as, if not more, deadly than a box cutter. I disagree about why there hasn't been another plane related attack though.

Before 9/11 hijackings were about the people on board the plane. They served as leverage the hijackers could use to make something happen. Sure, hijackers would occasionally kill a few to demonstrate how "serious" they were but overall hostages were treated as valuable and were relatively safe. Airplanes were targeted for no other reason than by design they easily confine a large number of people, are mobile, and were viewed (somewhat incorrectly) as easy to defend. Because of this people (including crew) learned to be passive and the situation would eventually be worked out.

For obvious reasons that is no longer the case. If the theory about Flight 93 is correct assumptions about how to deal with a hijacking changed as the events on 9/11 were happening. Hijacking an airplane makes little sense anymore since hijackers are no longer going to be dealing with a passive group just trying to make it through the incident alive. The threat of death makes little difference to people who believe they are going to die anyway. Hijackers will now get a group intent on preventing them from using the airplane as a giant cruise missile. That shift alone serves as more prevention than any security measures the TSA could institute.



On a different note, how many of you who are complaining about security at airports believe weapons should be allowed on commercial aircraft?

[Avatard]

On pressurized planes?

[goof2]

On pressurized planes?

All weapons, not just firearms.

[Archren]

I don't accuse servicemen of being robots. I tried to join myself. I just feel that they can't lay claim to the "wo is me" defense. Do they make plenty of sacrifices, yes.....But they voluntarily joined, and in return for their hardships, they receive intangible benefits that civilians don't (pride, camradere, adventure, etc.).

Let's not get it fucked up - there are some very tangible benefits as well - GI Bill, TRICARE health insurance, life insurance, death benefits for the families etc. These systems are far from perfect, and certainly you can find better in the civilian market (at least in terms of available health care programs), but you would have to pay a LOT more than we do.

That being said, the intangible benefits (camraderie in particular) is what keeps us from saying fuck this deployment and bureaucracy BS and getting the fuck out of a hazardous-to-your-health-and-your-psyche profession. I think that is something that is missing in the civilian world - the knowledge and complete faith in the guy (or gal) next to you, that even if they don't much like you personally, they would still put their own hide at risk for your sake.

[Avatard]

All weapons, not just firearms.

I think the fucking crew should have all kindsa weapons, and screening should have never been instituted. You can't look up people's assholes, and someone is gonna smuggle something.

"Search everybody" is at best an amateurish attempt at security.

Much like what ACTUALLY HAS saved people in terrorist scenarios, the passengers and crew would be able to subdue assholes who try and pull shit. Obviously, that's easier if the terrorist isn't the only one with a fucking weapon.

[Particle Man]

On a different note, how many of you who are complaining about security at airports believe weapons should be allowed on commercial aircraft?

After eating airport food pretty much anyone's ass is a weapon on a plane.

[goof2]

I think the fucking crew should have all kindsa weapons, and screening should have never been instituted. You can't look up people's assholes, and someone is gonna smuggle something.

"Search everybody" is at best an amateurish attempt at security.

Much like what ACTUALLY HAS saved people in terrorist scenarios, the passengers and crew would be able to subdue assholes who try and pull shit. Obviously, that's easier if the terrorist isn't the only one with a fucking weapon.

I'm talking about passengers, not just the crew. I'm not trying to catch you or anybody else out, I'm just curious. That was in response to your post. The rest of this is just general musings.

Some people on here have already admitted to getting knives through security, and considering "knives" made of material other than metal would be even more difficult to stop, I guess knives are OK. As long as we are trusting people to not get all stabby while flying how big a step is it really to trust those same people to not go all Yosemite Sam with a gun?

That being said, allowing one or both would not negate the need for the TSA or something like it. Anything is possible so I'm sure there are a few people who want to allow explosives on airplanes, but I'm just as sure a large majority do not. Most of that large majority also expects someone to prevent others from bringing their explosives.

What I am getting at is for all the talk of loss of freedoms and people being sheep and drones, where should the line be drawn? Unless someone is advocating for a free-for-all of "bring what you got" on aircraft, what is the acceptable level of intrusion and loss of freedom people can be willing to put up with without being sheep and drones?

[Avatard]

I say get rid of the TSA, stop invading people's privacy, and put a Marshall on each flight.

[Dave]

Oh, that explains it. He does what he's told, and that's all he knows.

He'll make a nice pet.

Well, that's cool I guess...someone has to defend our freedoms, even if he doesn't personally understand them.

Everytime we play this game my pm box stays empty. I've no need to further prove anything where you're concerned. Besides there's a lot better things to be complaining about than someone touching your balls at the airport....Like property taxes. Never hear ya'll crying about that. Hell, you're colonoscopy age. Id think a camera shoved up your asshole would be of greater concern than a little fondling

[Avatard]

Pass. I trust doctors even less.

Next time I get sick, I plan on dying.

Feel free to stick something up your ass, though, if ya want ;)

[zerioustt]

Oh, that explains it. He does what he's told, and that's all he knows.

He'll make a nice pet.

Well, that's cool I guess...someone has to defend our freedoms, even if he doesn't personally understand them.

you sir are a real douchebag who probably got his ass kicked his whole life and didnt get laid until you got a job to afford it. have some fucking respect for a guy who put his life on the line so you can sit at your computer and be big dick all day. youre a fucking coward and i got a weeks paycheck that says so. move to canada.

[Homeslice]

lulz @ teh troll

[Avatard]

you sir are a real douchebag who probably got his ass kicked his whole life and didnt get laid until you got a job to afford it. have some fucking respect for a guy who put his life on the line so you can sit at your computer and be big dick all day. youre a fucking coward and i got a weeks paycheck that says so. move to canada.

Yeah, that's my favorite mindless argument from conservatives; "If you don't like it here, leave". When in reality, I like it here just fine (exactly as the founding fathers designed it), and actually am the one who's REALLY defending (admittedly in words) what this country was founded for: FREEDOM

The fact that you get paid to defend it is great. The fact that you may be putting yourself at great personal risk is honorable. The fact that you have no fucking clue what you're even defending is not a shock.

[Apoc]

you sir are a real douchebag who probably got his ass kicked his whole life and didnt get laid until you got a job to afford it. have some fucking respect for a guy who put his life on the line so you can sit at your computer and be big dick all day. youre a fucking coward and i got a weeks paycheck that says so. move to canada.


Fuck you asshole. Keep him, and Celine Dion too. Prick.

[Particle Man]

Fuck you asshole. Keep him, and Celine Dion too. Prick.

Thread-tie-in win :lol:

[zerioustt]

Fuck you asshole. Keep him, and Celine Dion too. Prick.

how about mexico?

[goof2]

I say get rid of the TSA, stop invading people's privacy, and put a Marshall on each flight.

That is fine and all, but a Marshall is just another potential victim the next time someone decides to wear their Semtex undies on a flight. Without the TSA they don't even have to go through that subterfuge though. They can just throw a brick of it with a detonator in a backpack. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that not everyone agrees with what you have decided is your personal limit of intrusiveness.

As far as the government though, they are unwilling to cede that method of attack. The reason is they know the next time an attack happens, and one is inevitable, most of the same people bitching about the TSA now will be the first ones to point fingers at the government for not doing everything they could to prevent it. I'm not at all saying you are like this, but standing on principle is extremely important to a lot of people, at least right up until those principles punch them in the face. Then they cry like little bitches and look for someone to blame.

[Avatard]

Well, you're right about one thing; I'm not the kinda guy that says "no, I got this" and then bitches when I drop it.

I understand the ramifications and risks of living in a free society.

I prefer that to the alternative.

[zerioustt]

That is fine and all, but a Marshall is just another potential victim the next time someone decides to wear their Semtex undies on a flight. Without the TSA they don't even have to go through that subterfuge though. They can just throw a brick of it with a detonator in a backpack. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that not everyone agrees with what you have decided is your personal limit of intrusiveness.

As far as the government though, they are unwilling to cede that method of attack. The reason is they know the next time an attack happens, and one is inevitable, most of the same people bitching about the TSA now will be the first ones to point fingers at the government for not doing everything they could to prevent it. I'm not at all saying you are like this, but standing on principle is extremely important to a lot of people, at least right up until those principles punch them in the face. Then they cry like little bitches and look for someone to blame.

same as people who bitch about cops until they need them.

i agree its intrusive and no they dont catch everything, but i also rather something than nothing. there needs to be stricter guidelines for training of tsa employees and they need to be randomly tested to see where the weak points are. to just say fuck tsa is just asinine.

[Avatard]

You need to look something up:

Paternalism

[Homeslice]

Without the TSA they don't even have to go through that subterfuge though. They can just throw a brick of it with a detonator in a backpack. .

Doubtful the TSA would even catch that.

They employ NO sniffers or swab tests unless perhaps you are called out for additional inspection.

[zerioustt]

You need to look something up:

Paternalism


no need, but youre way off base like the rest of your ramblings.

[Avatard]

In your very narrow conservative opinion.

[OneSickPsycho]

I say fuck the TSA because there are more effective alternatives to handling the situation. Unfortunately our government is more concerned about gaining more power and giving people an illusion of safety, rather than actually doing what's necessary to protect us.

[Avatard]

Exactly that.

[Trip]

TSA seems to be making power tripping cops look like Saints.

[jtemple]

I'm tempted to go through the body scanner or the patdown with a big boner. :)

[Avatard]

I still say loud moaning while being patted down just has to add so much to the person's discomfort that's doing it, that it just has to be fucking priceless, if only just for the expression on their face.

I think the discomfort of the situation should really be shared equally, no?

[OneSickPsycho]

My plan is to fart when the guy's kneeling down behind me patting down my legs... let one rip right in his face.


Gotta eat lots of cabbage before flying on Tuesday.

[jtemple]

When he squats down to feel your junk, just slowly and gently place your hand on the back of his head.

[OneSickPsycho]

When he squats down to feel your junk, just slowly and gently place your hand on the back of his head.

Or step into him...

[Particle Man]

Have you seen some of these TSA people? They may actually like that shit y'all mentioned.

*barf*

[Apoc]

Is it bad that I care more because she's hot?

[Trip]

Is it bad that I care more because she's hot?

Is it bad that I want to be a TSA agent to just fondle her? LOL

[derf]

That video was hilarious. "That woman, she touched my vagina, 4 times" I'm sorry, but it really was funny. I'm Ok with being a bad person.

[defector]

This commercial pretty much sums up my thoughts on the TSA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdDoNBe6nAs

[goof2]

Doubtful the TSA would even catch that.

They employ NO sniffers or swab tests unless perhaps you are called out for additional inspection.

As I understand it plastic explosives can be detected with x-ray machines.

[Homeslice]

As I understand it plastic explosives can be detected with x-ray machines.

I don't get how. I doubt that C4 has a specific density that isn't shared by any other substance.

[goof2]

I don't get how. I doubt that C4 has a specific density that isn't shared by any other substance.

I don't know. It is too sciency for me but as I understand it they can.

[jtemple]

So, when she goes to the gynecologist, does she break down crying? I'm sure the woman that groped her isn't too thrilled about the idea, either.

[derf]

As I understand it plastic explosives can be detected with x-ray machines.

yes, but it is very similar to a host of other substances, like peanut butter. The xray will pick out the stuff that is similar in denisty to the more popular explosives. Some of the more advanced xray machines will look for shapes, materials and sharp edges too. What teh xray machine builder have been doing in recent years is to limit the false positives that they produce.

The problem comes with the stupid rules the tsa has. Want to bring c4 on a plane,? Very easy. Put it inside a jar of peanut butter and seal it. Since it is sealed they cannot open it to see if it is peanut butter, since it is food not liquid they havnt banned it. Wanna bring on nitroglycerin? Or even your own bottle of water? Put a label on it that says saline solution, they cant test it because it is considered medicine.

When I came back from afganistan, and even more recently after carrying ammunition in my army back pack that I use for almost everything, including as carry on luggage on a plane. I have been swab tested a few times, and came up positive, all they can do is look through your stuff to see if you have anything, they find nothing and you go free on your flight with explosive, or in my case gun powder residue on your luggage. All I ever did is tell them that I transported ammo in my bag.

If your name is on the terror watch list its super easy to get on a flight. Use a stolen credit card to buy a real ticket, check in with that at the airport. The airline checks the stolen credit card name vs the terrorist list so the ticket can get you on the plane without a problem. You just need to show ID that matches that ticket to get past security. To do that just make a fake ticket with your real name go through security and use the real ticket with the stolen name to get on the plane. When it comes time to attack the plane remove the dissassmbled gun, knife, or explosives from your anus or vag where the backscatter machine cant see, and have at it on the plane.

The whole system is deigned to be smoke and mirrors to scare off the average joe-wannabe terrorist out to make a name for himself.

[Trip]

So, when she goes to the gynecologist, does she break down crying? I'm sure the woman that groped her isn't too thrilled about the idea, either.

A gynecologist is there to prevent disease and women willing submit to exams so they can be checked for health related/problems are issues. If the doctor is unnecessarily groping them, I am sure they would have a problem with that.

The TSA is doing too much to "protect" us. We are giving up way too much freedom so the terrorists don't "win."

[jtemple]

A gynecologist is there to prevent disease and women willing submit to exams so they can be checked for health related/problems are issues. If the doctor is unnecessarily groping them, I am sure they would have a problem with that.

The TSA is doing too much to "protect" us. We are giving up way too much freedom so the terrorists don't "win."Oh, they've won, in my mind. They don't have to play by the rules; we do. They've obviously got our government plenty terrified, or we wouldn't be groping people at airports.

[Avatard]

But it's our government, and our freedoms.

Ultimately, we don't have to endure this.

[jtemple]

But it's our government, and our freedoms.

Ultimately, we don't have to endure this.You're right. But we have to vote ourselves out of it. That takes time. Until then, your only option is to avoid flying. That isn't really possible unless you have a lot of free time.

[Rangerscott]

Did yall not see the interview with the head tsa guy a month ago or so. Hes pure 100% for everything theyre doing. Hes wants to do even more crazy shit to us. He looks physco himself.

[wildchild]

won't be long and anyone who wants to fly is going to get rodded by the guy at the end of the line holding a box of viagra in his hands. just to make sure no foreign objects are where they don't belong.

[AquaPython]

on a side note, its amazing how boringly plane and average she looks frumping it through the airport, as compared to when she was competing / acting...

[shmike]

won't be long and anyone who wants to fly is going to get rodded by the guy at the end of the line holding a box of viagra in his hands. just to make sure no foreign objects are where they don't belong.

Nah, people will find a better way to travel.

http://mimg.ugo.com/201007/50585/south-park-it.jpg

[the chi]

I finally got aroudn to watching the video, and I gotta say, at least she's trying to do something versus just cry about it. I figured this was a "celebrity bitch" but the fact that she plans to utilize all her options to make her complaint known in addition to posting this video really speaks volumes for her. If more people would take the time to officially complain when they feel TSA has violated them, perhaps someone would start listening.

[EtyrnuSS]

Simplest solution, and its been mentioned. Profiling. Whine about it if you want, but its the most effective.

[the chi]

At this point they arent going to stop violating our rights tho. Unless we make them stop, they aren't going to use logic, reason or a moral compass to choose a better method, they are going to continue molesting us because they can and we let them by not saying anything.

[smileyman]

TSA, just another wasted government program. Ineffective from any standpoint or objective.

Personal liberties are going to get dumped on heavily in this tech heavy and paranoid global socieety we live in. You can be tracked, filmed, fondled, eavesdropped on, and hacked by almost anyone with a rudimentary knowledge.

I imagine anyone with the right Govt Clearance can watch me as in depth as the Pres watched those SEALS take down Osama world. You think speaking out or voting the other way is gonna do you any fucking good? Do you think you could possibly rebel at this point by force or opinion.

Nah, get used to it and it is probably gonna get worse.

[Avatard]

I have a "backup" country to go to when this turns to complete shit. Of course, I've lived here for almost my entire life, and I prefer it here...used to...I don't know anymore. It's getting scary.

It's regressing. Devolving. Losing freedoms, while other emerging countries are gaining them.

I agree, it's not likely to suddenly "change back" to heading in the right direction.

I love this country. This pains me so much.

I'm conflicted. American friends have already left for Brazil! THEY say it's better there, tell me to come, that it's time to change horses. I'm stubborn. I love it here...used to...I dunno.

Just sad.

[Trip]

Brazil wouldn't be my choice for a backup country, but you have history there, so that's understandable.

You need to try another state first.

[smileyman]

I'm not leaving...I just want my own compound, a few wives, some good brew...I think Utah is the place for me, LOL!

[Avatard]

It's ironic, Trip. My family came here in the 60s, from a Military Dictatorship, to seek true freedom. Now, I may have to return to that country in search of getting the very same freedoms (back).

So sad. I am more patriotic than any American I know. I truly love it here. There are tears in my eyes as I type this...

[the chi]

I hear good things about Brazil actually. You can retire there cheap is my understanding, not to mention the beauty. I'm pretty patriotic but if the country doesn't turn around, hubby and I may retire to another country ourselves. Don't feel bad man.

[Trip]

I hear better things about Costa Rica, namely medical expertise.

[shmike]

I hear better things about Costa Rica, namely medical expertise.

Yeah but Costa Rica has been "discovered."

It was once a place to escape to, now it's where everybody goes.

[Trip]

Yeah but Costa Rica has been "discovered."

It was once a place to escape to, now it's where everybody goes.

There are still some other small central american places that I would go to first. I would like to live in Europe too. Just to explore, not for the freedoms and other bullshit.

[Papa_Complex]

Brazil wouldn't be my choice for a backup country, but you have history there, so that's understandable.

You need to try another state first.

Lots of Canadians seem to be retiring to Brazil. If you have money, it's good.

[smileyman]

Greece. Or somewhere in the Med. Sicily? I figure with the Greek economy on the skids you ought to be able to retire there fairly cheap.

[Papa_Complex]

Greece. Or somewhere in the Med. Sicily? I figure with the Greek economy on the skids you ought to be able to retire there fairly cheap.

The government and government services are screwed, in Greece. People, for the most part, still have money. They just aren't paying their taxes.

[goof2]

I have a "backup" country to go to when this turns to complete shit. Of course, I've lived here for almost my entire life, and I prefer it here...used to...I don't know anymore. It's getting scary.

It's regressing. Devolving. Losing freedoms, while other emerging countries are gaining them.

I agree, it's not likely to suddenly "change back" to heading in the right direction.

I love this country. This pains me so much.

I'm conflicted. American friends have already left for Brazil! THEY say it's better there, tell me to come, that it's time to change horses. I'm stubborn. I love it here...used to...I dunno.

Just sad.

I have to ask, when was that time when Americans had so many freedoms that you fell in love with it? What period has this nation regressed from?

[smileyman]

The government and government services are screwed, in Greece. People, for the most part, still have money. They just aren't paying their taxes.

Oh well then just like here eh? No lateral move for me!

[derf]

I hear better things about Costa Rica, namely medical expertise.

Costa Rica, and Brasil, and some other south and central american countries have huge american compounds with people who retire there. In fact if you can get in on one of the american compounds that have sprouted over the last 2 decades you can live just like you do now except in little america.

[Avatard]

I have to ask, when was that time when Americans had so many freedoms that you fell in love with it? What period has this nation regressed from?

I'm old, dude. Talkin' 60s.

[Homeslice]

Greece. Or somewhere in the Med. Sicily? I figure with the Greek economy on the skids you ought to be able to retire there fairly cheap.

Croatia.

[goof2]

I'm old, dude. Talkin' 60s.

Maybe in the idealized way they are presented today but in actuality I just don't see the 60s being any improvement.

You are talking about half a decade that legally accepted blatant segregation and discrimination then socially accepted them for the rest of the decade. In that decade MLK was assassinated for trying to advance the civil rights agenda and people were killed on multiple occasions for nothing more than trying to register black voters. There were also bombings, murders, beatings, bogus arrests, and a series of riots all across the country like we haven't seen since all over that same issue. Today if you simply oppose the President's policies you are sure to be branded a racist simply because (oh by the way) the President is black. Not only do today's so called civil rights leaders have little fear of assassination, when they screw up they are given free passes.

Then we can talk about similar riots, beatings, garbage arrests, and more killings over the war in Vietnam. Say what you will about Cindy Sheehan, Code Pink and the rest but they never had to face what the student protesters at Kent State or (less well known) Jackson State did though those were a few months after the 60s officially ended. Of course Cindy Sheehan, Code Pink and the rest weren't going around starting fires and destroying cars like at Jackson State or burning down ROTC buildings like Kent State either. You also had The Weathermen (or Weather Underground if you prefer) start their campaign of bombing and violence to protest the war. We can't forget about the violence that ensued at the 68 Democratic National Convention either.

What I have listed above may read like a list of bad actions on both sides that should be taken with a big helping of "Oh well:shrug:", but I don't accept that from the government. Go through the list and look at the abuses done at the hands of the authorities and the government. There were at a minimum tens of thousands, but more likely well over a hundred thousand bogus arrests made. Then there was a certain unwillingness on the part of the authorities to really go after people who agreed with them as seen with the Birmingham church bombing, multiple Freedom Rider beatings, multiple black voter registration beatings, and beatings of war protesters. Finally we can't forget the shootings of protesters that occurred at the hands of police and soldiers.

The most egregious of the abuses were done by the CIA and the FBI. The FBI was able to operate with virtual impunity and basically investigated whoever they wanted, but sure seemed to focus on civil rights leaders and the anti-war movement. They had this freedom because many in the government supported them but Hoover had secret files to motivate those who didn't. The CIA came up with a report of its own abuses from that time called the "Family Jewels", the majority of which was released a few years ago. If airport security and The Patriot Act make you a bit misty this report will make you puke, especially considering it probably isn't comprehensive.

Anyway, a person who agreed with the government may have enjoyed more freedom in the 60s than they do now. For American citizens who disagreed though, getting on the bad side of the government was a hell of a lot easier in the 60s and had significantly more dire consequences than it does now.

If I have to pick between the egregious abuses of authority perpetrated by the government in the 60s and the possibility of being randomly selected (to prevent discrimination cause that is bad and all) for scanning before getting on an airplane it is not a particularly difficult choice.

[Kaneman]

Fuck that, I'm a straight white male....I wanna go back to the 60's. :lol:

[derf]

Fuck that, I'm a straight white male....I wanna go back to the 60's. :lol:

Thank you...