New car for me.?.?. UPDATED 2012 Volvo C30 R-design

[Gas Man]

Well I won't get into why... at this point... legal reasons...

I'm looking at sports cars... remember mine is I-4 turbo with about 275hp/340 ft lbs.

NO MORE GM PRODUCTS PERIOD!!!

No Mustangs, cause they are "me too" cars.

Test drove a Mazda Speed3, about a week ago. Nice more linear power feel compared to the brute power of my HHRSS. Tight car but not sure it's all there. $24k - discount. Owned by Ford, made in japan. Eat little crow but still... hell even use my Ford discount on one.

test drove a 2011 RX-8 GT today. Great great great looking car. Beyond awesome sounding motor (needs pipes, like all stocks). Tight crisp 6 speed manual. Superb seats, feel, 50/50 weight distribution, cornered on rails. Back seat has a stupid center console that would hinder Brinks hauling. Then you plant down the right foot... the 9k start of red-line is WOW. But a complete lack of power. My HHRSS will beat it in a race. It is about the same amount of power/speed as the Speed3. But it's $8K more! WTF!! Isn't this the Mazda flag ship?? :td:

Tried to test drive a Challenger RT Classic with A DAMN MANUAL AKA STICK SHIFT AKA 6 SPEED AKA NON SLUSH BOX!!! F'in 2 dealers didn't have one. one even had a SRT8 (out of my price range) in a F'in auto!!!! :wtfru: FU*KSTICKS!!

Going tomry to look at a NW GTI, Nissan 370Z (big negative is no back seat) & Altima coupe

Maybe then a WRX limited. Saw a Lancer EVO at the dealer but F that $45k tag.

I would like to keep it near $30k. HOWEVER, some of these are closer to $35k. I MAY be ok with that if it makes me grin. :dribble:

Ideas?

[dReWpY]

The WRX is a great car when you dont try to push 400hp through it. I loved that car and will own one once again, just not in the near future

[derf]

Yeh the RX8 is a huge letdown, especially after how great the RX7 was. I had both the first and second gen rx7s and they both kicked ass. The 1st gen was kinda underpowered with a 12a engine, but it was completely stripped down brining the weight bellow 2,000 lbs and handled like it was on rails. My 2nd gen had the turbo motor 13b-t and once it started to produce boost it would just lay the power down. I was trying to buy a 3rd gen but they are just too pricey for me and I wound up with a ford focus instead.

My brother has a 2011 Subaru 2.5 sport, pretty sweet car. at 170 hp its no super race car, but it will haul ass on any road you throw at it, and get decent gas mileage too. I'm not to impressed with the 2012 new model imprezza, they dropped the engine down to a 2 liter and the hp down to 140, but that was only to get better gas mileage.

[Dave]

Well I won't get into why... at this point... legal reasons...

I'm looking at sports cars... remember mine is I-4 turbo with about 275hp/340 ft lbs.

NO MORE GM PRODUCTS PERIOD!!!

No Mustangs, cause they are "me too" cars.

Test drove a Mazda Speed3, about a week ago. Nice more linear power feel compared to the brute power of my HHRSS. Tight car but not sure it's all there. $24k - discount. Owned by Ford, made in japan. Eat little crow but still... hell even use my Ford discount on one.

test drove a 2011 RX-8 GT today. Great great great looking car. Beyond awesome sounding motor (needs pipes, like all stocks). Tight crisp 6 speed manual. Superb seats, feel, 50/50 weight distribution, cornered on rails. Back seat has a stupid center console that would hinder Brinks hauling. Then you plant down the right foot... the 9k start of red-line is WOW. But a complete lack of power. My HHRSS will beat it in a race. It is about the same amount of power/speed as the Speed3. But it's $8K more! WTF!! Isn't this the Mazda flag ship?? :td:

Tried to test drive a Challenger RT Classic with A DAMN MANUAL AKA STICK SHIFT AKA 6 SPEED AKA NON SLUSH BOX!!! F'in 2 dealers didn't have one. one even had a SRT8 (out of my price range) in a F'in auto!!!! :wtfru: FU*KSTICKS!!

Going tomry to look at a NW GTI, Nissan 370Z (big negative is no back seat) & Altima coupe

Maybe then a WRX limited. Saw a Lancer EVO at the dealer but F that $45k tag.

I would like to keep it near $30k. HOWEVER, some of these are closer to $35k. I MAY be ok with that if it makes me grin. :dribble:

Ideas?

hyundai genesis turbo. same basic motor as the evo/srt4. rear wheel drive and about 3000 lbs. get it in black

370 has some gay bullshit that rev matches for you and should be shunned at the earliest opportunity.

[Gas Man]

The WRX is a great car when you dont try to push 400hp through it. I loved that car and will own one once again, just not in the near future

I hear that... but I wonder if it is a "me too" car as well. That's another aspect I liked the RX8 was they simply aren't many of them around here.

Yeh the RX8 is a huge letdown, especially after how great the RX7 was.

My brother has a 2011 Subaru 2.5 sport, pretty sweet car. at 170 hp its no super race car, but it will haul ass on any road you throw at it, and get decent gas mileage too. I'm not to impressed with the 2012 new model imprezza, they dropped the engine down to a 2 liter and the hp down to 140, but that was only to get better gas mileage.

I agree on the RX8. But I totally felt like it would go as fast as I could make it around the corner, like you are saying about the subi.

Another aspect I don't like about the subi is the distance I have to drive to get to a dealer. I'm use to having a dealer 5 mins from my house. But I guess that doesn't matter if you don't need to take it in all the time.

hyundai genesis turbo.

Um... hyundai might be pushing my new open mind. But the numbers are there...

[Dave]

Yeh the RX8 is a huge letdown, especially after how great the RX7 was. I had both the first and second gen rx7s and they both kicked ass. The 1st gen was kinda underpowered with a 12a engine, but it was completely stripped down brining the weight bellow 2,000 lbs and handled like it was on rails. My 2nd gen had the turbo motor 13b-t and once it started to produce boost it would just lay the power down. I was trying to buy a 3rd gen but they are just too pricey for me and I wound up with a ford focus instead.

My brother has a 2011 Subaru 2.5 sport, pretty sweet car. at 170 hp its no super race car, but it will haul ass on any road you throw at it, and get decent gas mileage too. I'm not to impressed with the 2012 new model imprezza, they dropped the engine down to a 2 liter and the hp down to 140, but that was only to get better gas mileage.

i loved it, its just a "balance" car not a "power" car. do some boltons, haul the kids around, do some autocross/gymkanha.

[Dave]

I hear that... but I wonder if it is a "me too" car as well. That's another aspect I liked the RX8 was they simply aren't many of them around here.



I agree on the RX8. But I totally felt like it would go as fast as I could make it around the corner, like you are saying about the subi.

Another aspect I don't like about the subi is the distance I have to drive to get to a dealer. I'm use to having a dealer 5 mins from my house. But I guess that doesn't matter if you don't need to take it in all the time.



Um... hyundai might be pushing my new open mind.

go LOOK at it. they grow in leaps and bounds the GC is pretty sweet. bout the only new car id consider at this point. I do hear the challenger is bowing out soon and the charger might pick up its six speed in the srt form. THAT could get my attention

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpLcGdILkxo&feature=related

[Gas Man]

That looks like the I4 edition... but the V-6 has more power.

[derf]

I agree on the RX8. But I totally felt like it would go as fast as I could make it around the corner, like you are saying about the subi.

Another aspect I don't like about the subi is the distance I have to drive to get to a dealer. I'm use to having a dealer 5 mins from my house. But I guess that doesn't matter if you don't need to take it in all the time.


Yeh, I was just very underwhelmed by the RX8, almost like the designers forgot what made the RX7 such a great car. The 2011 and prior imprezza just seems to get better with every year, just by the spec sheet I'm not impressed with the 2012. But the 2011 2.5 (not the sti or the wrx), while not a super powerhouse can handle its own on any road. I never felt like it would do something other than exactly what i wanted. If I wanted to drift it I could, if I wanted to just rail around corners I could. Neither RX7 had room for kids, but it could carry groceries if you didnt buy much. Neither of them were practical cars.




i loved it, its just a "balance" car not a "power" car. do some boltons, haul the kids around, do some autocross/gymkanha.

The first gen was completely stripped down, there was no interior at all, no carpet, no dashboard, no anything, just a sheet aluminum dash, the standard guages, a momo steering wheel, a race seat for the driver and a hard plasic seat for the passenger, all the glass except for the windshield was replaced with plexiglass (I did have a small vent that I could pop open for fresh air). The car just felt right when I drove it, it wasnt a monster but it had teeth.

[tallywacker]

Lancer Ralliart is nice as well. AWD turbo and costs less than the EVO

[Dave]

Yeh, I was just very underwhelmed by the RX8, almost like the designers forgot what made the RX7 such a great car. The 2011 and prior imprezza just seems to get better with every year, just by the spec sheet I'm not impressed with the 2012. But the 2011 2.5 (not the sti or the wrx), while not a super powerhouse can handle its own on any road. I never felt like it would do something other than exactly what i wanted. If I wanted to drift it I could, if I wanted to just rail around corners I could. Neither RX7 had room for kids, but it could carry groceries if you didnt buy much. Neither of them were practical cars.






The first gen was completely stripped down, there was no interior at all, no carpet, no dashboard, no anything, just a sheet aluminum dash, the standard guages, a momo steering wheel, a race seat for the driver and a hard plasic seat for the passenger, all the glass except for the windshield was replaced with plexiglass (I did have a small vent that I could pop open for fresh air). The car just felt right when I drove it, it wasnt a monster but it had teeth.

ive always wanted a 1st gen, 2nd gen turbo engine swaps in pretty easy and they only weigh like 2000

[tallywacker]

I've driven the RX-8 on a few occasions and would never own one. No power at all.

[Gas Man]

That's it tally. The speed3 feels faster and $8k cheaper. It's sad cause prior to the right foot experience my only glitch was the back seat center console vs dog thing. I was huge disappointed!!!

[dReWpY]

drive wrx hatchback
??????
profit!

[Gas Man]

What??

Profit what?

I didn't get any winfall. Far from it. Looking at DD replacement. Can explain but over phone not in print.

[dReWpY]

What??

Profit what?

I didn't get any winfall. Far from it. Looking at DD replacement. Can explain but over phone not in print.
have you tried driving the hatchback WRX, they are a blast to drive and have a fairly good track record, minus the 2007

[101lifts2]

....NO MORE GM PRODUCTS PERIOD!!!...

Such dissapointment. redflip

Camaro? :lol:

[OneSickPsycho]

Fuck new... Take your 30 g's and buy an old, restored muscle car.

[Particle Man]

The Genesis made me grin when I drove one. Take one for a test drive for shits and giggles

[Gas Man]

101. It saddens me to be at the point I am with gm. Especially when I have 2 retired family members from there. So no, camaro isn't an option.

Osp. Ya know. That has always been a dream but where would I stop. Further, I want reliable. Stop would be an old muscle car with new frame, suspension, and fi motor. Its been done many times but not for my price range.

I may check the genesis. Different day, as wife and I have plans later.

[derf]

101. It saddens me to be at the point I am with gm. Especially when I have 2 retired family members from there. So no, camaro isn't an option.


I'm with you, I'm just not impressed by the quality of american vehicles, I've bought a bunch and it seems that japanese cars just seem to last longer without any problems.

[pauldun170]

101. It saddens me to be at the point I am with gm. Especially when I have 2 retired family members from there. So no, camaro isn't an option.

Osp. Ya know. That has always been a dream but where would I stop. Further, I want reliable. Stop would be an old muscle car with new frame, suspension, and fi motor. Its been done many times but not for my price range.

I may check the genesis. Different day, as wife and I have plans later.

I've seen it on the road quite a few times and it is definitely a sharp looking car. Not too many of them so you wont see yourself coming and going. I personally thing the mustang is a better value but if american cars are off your list and you want a new car the Genesis is worth a look. Have you considered used G37's?
The only issue with those is that you are automatically a deuschebag as soon as you turn the engine on and the only station that comes through on the radio is club music.

[Cutty72]

RX8 for your area = suck. Burn a lot of oil, suck in the cold, suck in the snow/ice, and no power till redline.

I'd go w/the speed3. Love that car, and if I was car shopping for myself, that would for sure be on the short list. I know you can get programing to give you full power in the first 3 gears too, not sure if that would be helpful though!

Fuck new... Take your 30 g's and buy an old, restored muscle car.

Truth...

[Gas Man]

I'm with you, I'm just not impressed by the quality of american vehicles, I've bought a bunch and it seems that japanese cars just seem to last longer without any problems.

Don't get it twisted... I'm nixxing off all american cars just GM.

I've seen it on the road quite a few times and it is definitely a sharp looking car. Not too many of them so you wont see yourself coming and going. I personally thing the mustang is a better value but if american cars are off your list and you want a new car the Genesis is worth a look. Have you considered used G37's?
The only issue with those is that you are automatically a deuschebag as soon as you turn the engine on and the only station that comes through on the radio is club music.

Now you're tracking. I don't want to see myself coming & going. That's why I don't want a mustang and perhaps the same reason why I don't want a challenger (that & the price for the model I want, RT Classic).

As I said, just GM is off my list. But even used GM is off my list. I will never own, support, or buy anything GM. Sucks cause I like old 70's GM muscle and corvettes. Perhaps later in time I will consider used stuff, but not now.

G37... hmmm, looks like a Genesis.

[Gas Man]

RX8 for your area = suck. Burn a lot of oil, suck in the cold, suck in the snow/ice, and no power till redline.

I'd go w/the speed3. Love that car, and if I was car shopping for myself, that would for sure be on the short list. I know you can get programing to give you full power in the first 3 gears too, not sure if that would be helpful though!



Truth...
Yeah and I may consider the speed 3 back to the list but for now... I've already drove it and will continue to look around it.

I just looked around on Honda.com and while the CRX & Civic Si are nice. If I'm going to dump the performance side by doing that. I might as well get a Focus Titanium 5 door. Look great, Ford discount and all, good MPG, and would look like the big brother to Uma's Fiesta (which we have had NO problems with).

[Gas Man]

Hell I just read on Ford.com that the Focus ST is to be released to US for 2012. I wonder when that is.

[Dave]

Hell I just read on Ford.com that the Focus ST is to be released to US for 2012. I wonder when that is.

is that still the turbo 5 cylinder? might be worth waiting for. volvo c30 is basically the same thing though, thats a fun little car too, 5 bangers have this amazing intake wail

[tallywacker]

Hell I just read on Ford.com that the Focus ST is to be released to US for 2012. I wonder when that is.

Yeah the focus ST is going to be badass.


For snow though either a WRX or the Lancer RalliSport would be great options. The RalliSport has paddle shifting if you like that or not.

[tallywacker]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/TJDHLJSMnZI/AAAAAAADS6w/VXnaYXjSiz0/s800/New-Ford-Focus-ST-01.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/04/4860_2_1_450.jpg

The old ST shares the Power Plant with the s30.

The new ST will use a 247 hp (184 kW) version of the 2.0L EcoBoost engine.

[tallywacker]

http://www.autoreleasedate.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Picture-2012-Ford-Focus-ST-Seating-View-610x450.jpg

http://www.autoreleasedate.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Picture-2012-Ford-Focus-ST-Interior-View-610x450.jpg

[tallywacker]

LOL...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWoXJIe0prU

[101lifts2]

101. It saddens me to be at the point I am with gm. Especially when I have 2 retired family members from there. So no, camaro isn't an option. ...

Why the sudden change? Are you trying to get GM to buy your car back? Also, you did buy a Trailblazer and a Cobalt (HHR), not the top of the line GM products. lol

I've owned a 2008 STS Caddy, which was my fav. vehicle of all the vehicles I've owned. The powertrain, smoothness and quietness was just done right. Japan just doesn't have the feel that the bigger American cars do on the freeway.

I think the Genesis looks like a Altima copy with a bad rear side window layout. The interior is only OK. I know three guys that work for Hyundai in Irvine...they tell me Hyundai really only cares about how the car looks...quality is a distant second. They also don't understand how cars even get to market as the Koreans are a strange bunch.

If you are worried about reliability, get a Honda with a manual transmission such as an Accord.

The Mazda 3 IMO has too underassisted steering. VW seems to be the best in terms of steering, braking and chassis. I'd say get a GTI and an ext. warranty.

[fujimoh]

Fuck new... Take your 30 g's and buy an old, restored muscle car.


You can into a lotus or ferrari for 30K

[Homeslice]

I agree, get a GTI. Best interior of anything on your list. And German cars own on the highway. Most Jap and American cars lose their composure when you try to make a quick lane change at high speed.

Fords & Mazda styling is only good for twenty-somethings. Aren't you older? They're kind of metrosexual anyway. The RX8 is nice, it has a true sportscar chassis, but it's kind of expensive and has absolutely horrible fuel economy. You'd be lucky to average 20 mpg.

The Genesis coupe is a disappointment. The V6 version is too heavy, and the turbo I4 version doesn't have the balance shafts that the new Sonata has.

Altima coupe is for chicks and metros who think the 2-door version is somehow better-looking than the 4-door, but sorry it's still not a sportscar. Sportscar = a car that does not share its chassis with a sedan.

370Z would actually be the best choice in terms of pure sportscar.........But as you stated, it's only a 2-seater.

[Gas Man]

is that still the turbo 5 cylinder? might be worth waiting for. volvo c30 is basically the same thing though, thats a fun little car too, 5 bangers have this amazing intake wail

I don't know about a 5 cylinder

Why the sudden change? Are you trying to get GM to buy your back? Also, you did buy a Trailblazer and a Cobalt (HHR), not the top of the line GM products. lol

I've owned a 2008 STS Caddy, which was my fav. vehicle of all the vehicles I've owned. The powertrain, smoothness and quietness was just done right. Japan just doesn't have the feel that the bigger American cars do on the freeway.

I think the Genesis looks like a Altima copy with a bad rear side window layout. The interior is only OK. I know three guys that work for Hyundai in Irvine...they tell me Hyundai really only cares about how the car looks...quality is a distant second. They also don't understand how cars even get to market as the Koreans are a strange bunch.

If you are worried about reliability, get a Honda with a manual transmission such as an Accord.

The Mazda 3 IMO has too underassisted steering. VW seems to be the best in terms of steering, braking and chassis. I'd say get a GTI and an ext. warranty.

Ok, sure I bought a HHRSS, it being where ever it is on the GM pecking list doesn't negate it's reliability or not.

A Caddy is a caddy. Nuff said and not in my playing field.

I agree that the Genesis and the Altima coupe being sisters. I looked at the Altima coupe today and it's simply not for me. It did nothing for me in the looks department. So much so that I never even drove it. Further as I said, I won't get the Hyaundi. Japan is one thing, Korean is another. I'll draw my line at Japan.

The Speed 3 is fine but still "not there". Which completes any Mazda from my consideration. Sorry Mazda.

I agree, get a GTI. Best interior of anything on your list. And German cars own on the highway. Most Jap and American cars lose their composure when you try to make a quick lane change at high speed.

Fords & Mazda styling is only good for twenty-somethings. Aren't you older? They're kind of metrosexual anyway. The RX8 is nice, it has a true sportscar chassis, but it's kind of expensive and has absolutely horrible fuel economy. You'd be lucky to average 20 mpg.

The Genesis coupe is a disappointment. The V6 version is too heavy, and the turbo I4 version doesn't have the balance shafts that the new Sonata has.

Altima coupe is for chicks and metros who think the 2-door version is somehow better-looking than the 4-door, but sorry it's still not a sportscar. Sportscar = a car that does not share its chassis with a sedan.

370Z would actually be the best choice in terms of pure sportscar.........But as you stated, it's only a 2-seater.

I'm 32, Tuesday, but don't consider Ford or Mazda for 20 somin age.

100% correct on the RX8 chassis. It's awesome! Yes shit MPG, but so was most of what I was looking at.

As I said... Genesis is out entirely. I wouldn't be able to look at myself owning that. Altima... yeah I can agree with you on that.

I agree on the German cars. A buddy had a BMW years ago and loved it. 250hp was spanking 350hp mustangs. Beat the piss out of it for 3 years and it was as good after as it was new. I've always respected German cars and Hondas. Just weren't in my cup.

As I said I was going to the VW dealer today. They didn't have the GTI. I will need to go to a different dealer for that. However, I found the car for me... as long as I like the GTI.

The new 2012 Golf R (http://blogs.vw.com/conceptcars/category/golf-r/). 50 more hp making it to 256hp, 6 speed manual (only offering YEA), and AWD. :dribble: 2 door or 4 door (2 door for me). Dealer is figuring it to price out around upper 20's, or maybe $30k fully loaded to the gills. It also offers all the great creature comforts and that beloved german interior of quality.

That's where I stand now. Going to try to get out this week to test drive a GTI. Then once my standing on my GM vehicle is one way or the other. Perhaps order or pre-order the Golf R. Who ever says anything bad about a Golf or GTI?

[Dave]

You can into a lotus or ferrari for 30K

ferrari...no. not even close. you might get in the door on someone who is desperate with a 40 year old 308 but parts and service will eat you alive.

lotus, might find an elise down there. esprits are to be avoided as the use a renault box truck transmission that is notoriously weak and long out of production. theres potential there, that yamaha designed v8 could be seriously nasty if mated to a porsche gearbox but that kinda fab will easily double your cost.

only real option in that range is an nsx. and you will get raped on insurance

I agree, get a GTI. Best interior of anything on your list. And German cars own on the highway. Most Jap and American cars lose their composure when you try to make a quick lane change at high speed.

Fords & Mazda styling is only good for twenty-somethings. Aren't you older? They're kind of metrosexual anyway. The RX8 is nice, it has a true sportscar chassis, but it's kind of expensive and has absolutely horrible fuel economy. You'd be lucky to average 20 mpg.

The Genesis coupe is a disappointment. The V6 version is too heavy, and the turbo I4 version doesn't have the balance shafts that the new Sonata has.

Altima coupe is for chicks and metros who think the 2-door version is somehow better-looking than the 4-door, but sorry it's still not a sportscar. Sportscar = a car that does not share its chassis with a sedan.

370Z would actually be the best choice in terms of pure sportscar.........But as you stated, it's only a 2-seater.

balance shafts are for faggots

german cars blow dicks for reliability. most fun thing about em is trying to guess whats going to fall off next. *

*i cant speak for mercedes, never tried one. the rest of them though suck balls

I don't know about a 5 cylinder



Ok, sure I bought a HHRSS, it being where ever it is on the GM pecking list doesn't negate it's reliability or not.

A Caddy is a caddy. Nuff said and not in my playing field.

I agree that the Genesis and the Altima coupe being sisters. I looked at the Altima coupe today and it's simply not for me. It did nothing for me in the looks department. So much so that I never even drove it. Further as I said, I won't get the Hyaundi. Japan is one thing, Korean is another. I'll draw my line at Japan.

The Speed 3 is fine but still "not there". Which completes any Mazda from my consideration. Sorry Mazda.



I'm 32, Tuesday, but don't consider Ford or Mazda for 20 somin age.

100% correct on the RX8 chassis. It's awesome! Yes shit MPG, but so was most of what I was looking at.

As I said... Genesis is out entirely. I wouldn't be able to look at myself owning that. Altima... yeah I can agree with you on that.

I agree on the German cars. A buddy had a BMW years ago and loved it. 250hp was spanking 350hp mustangs. Beat the piss out of it for 3 years and it was as good after as it was new. I've always respected German cars and Hondas. Just weren't in my cup.

As I said I was going to the VW dealer today. They didn't have the GTI. I will need to go to a different dealer for that. However, I found the car for me... as long as I like the GTI.

The new 2012 Golf R (http://blogs.vw.com/conceptcars/category/golf-r/). 50 more hp making it to 256hp, 6 speed manual (only offering YEA), and AWD. :dribble: 2 door or 4 door (2 door for me). Dealer is figuring it to price out around upper 20's, or maybe $30k fully loaded to the gills. It also offers all the great creature comforts and that beloved german interior of quality.

That's where I stand now. Going to try to get out this week to test drive a GTI. Then once my standing on my GM vehicle is one way or the other. Perhaps order or pre-order the Golf R. Who ever says anything bad about a Golf or GTI?

me :lol vw is the apple of cars. I'll leave it at that

[101lifts2]

.....german cars blow dicks for reliability. most fun thing about em is trying to guess whats going to fall off next. ...

Eh...you're living in the past. VW reliablity is almost as good as Toyota nowadays. 5 years ago..no...but in 2008 and higher..yes.

BMW makes the most reliable European car, but the MB engines are built to last longer. Transmissions are pretty much a wash. Germans give you consistently good build materials, Japan cheapens out every year.

The 2010 Golf I have walks any Japanese car in terms of material quality and solidity. They don't even come close...and the steering, chassis and braking are far better than any car in it's price range (I leased mine, but the price was 16,100). Not to mention the interior rocks and feels like its going to last 50 years. No issues yet, but its only a year old with 13k miles.

[Dave]

Eh...your living in the past. VW reliablity is almost as good as Toyota nowadays. 5 years ago..no...but in 2008 and higher..yes.

BMW makes the most reliable European car, but the MB engines are built to last longer. Transmissions are pretty much a wash. Germans give you consistently good build materials, Japan cheapens out every year.

The 2010 Golf I have walks any Japanese car in terms of material quality and solidity. They don't even come close...and the steering, chassis and braking are far better than any car in it's price range (I leased mine, but the price was 16,100). Not to mention the interior rocks and feels like its going to last 50 years. No issues yet, but its only a year old with 13k miles.

we had parts literally falling off the motors on our fleet bmws before they got binned. our audis have what could only be kindly referred to as an oil addiction and toyota makes some amazingly boneheaded designs. like for example the prius gas bladder and the fuel guess gauge. never drove one i actually liked

[tallywacker]

is that still the turbo 5 cylinder? might be worth waiting for. volvo c30 is basically the same thing though, thats a fun little car too, 5 bangers have this amazing intake wail

They use a different motor now

[derf]

ferrari...no. not even close. you might get in the door on someone who is desperate with a 40 year old 308 but parts and service will eat you alive.



You can find a mid 80s Mondial for less than 20k easily, and find an old seven, elise, spirt, and even the post 2002 US imported elises are staring to hit the sub 20k range.


we had parts literally falling off the motors on our fleet bmws before they got binned. our audis have what could only be kindly referred to as an oil addiction and toyota makes some amazingly boneheaded designs. like for example the prius gas bladder and the fuel guess gauge. never drove one i actually liked

You are talking about basically a rental fleet, people abuse those cars worse than anything else, I give your opinion no consideration whatsoever.

[pauldun170]

You can into a lotus or ferrari for 30K

:lol

Damn youngins and their crazy comments

[Homeslice]

balance shafts are for faggots


Or for people who like smooth engines when you rev them out.

More than one magazine has criticized the Genesis's engine NVH.

I could see putting up with some NVH if it's a $10K used car, but not a $20-25K new one.

[Particle Man]

You are talking about basically a rental fleet, people abuse those cars worse than anything else, I give your opinion no consideration whatsoever.
I'm the opposite - I figure if a car can go through that it can go through anything I could possibly throw at it.

[pauldun170]

The Mazda 3 IMO has too underassisted steering. VW seems to be the best in terms of steering, braking and chassis. I'd say get a GTI and an ext. warranty.

Disagree with Mazda steering assist.
Agree that the GTI is nice and the motor is underrated

[101lifts2]

we had parts literally falling off the motors on our fleet bmws before they got binned.....

What parts? Very very rare to see anything "fall off an engine" that is production intent.

[derf]

I'm the opposite - I figure if a car can go through that it can go through anything I could possibly throw at it.

When was the last time you saw a rental car with more than 40 or 50k miles? Or more than a few years old? You dont because companies realize that as rentals the cars start costing more in maintenance at that point than they would be to replace with a newer model. It doesnt matter what kind of car it is dropping from N to D with the engine spinning at 6k will destroy it.

incidently I was extremely scared to drive the last cobalt I rented, it made noises that I never would have expected to hear come out of a car.

[Homeslice]

incidently I was extremely scared to drive the last cobalt I rented, it made noises that I never would have expected to hear come out of a car.

lol...

One thing that's very common with GM FWD cars is a "hollow" noise when driving over bumps. Makes you think a control arm is about to fall off.

[derf]

lol...

One thing that's very common with GM FWD cars is a "hollow" noise when driving over bumps. Makes you think a control arm is about to fall off.

No, I mean that when I started it up there was a small clacking sound that got worse after 5 minutes. The clacking turned into a steady stream of metallic clanking sounds. The only way that I can really describe the sound is that it was like a thousand really tiny garden gnomes wearing steel condoms where anally raping the engine to the tune of old mcdonald. I wound up bringing the car back because I really thought that it would leave me on the side of the road. The car had less than 10k on it.

The hollow wurring suspension noise is normal for FWD GM.

[Trip]

Fuck this talk about other cars, I want to know the story on the 180 degree spin towards GM.

[OneSickPsycho]

Fuck this talk about other cars, I want to know the story on the 180 degree spin towards GM.

That's the reason I keep clicking on this thread.

[101lifts2]

When was the last time you saw a rental car with more than 40 or 50k miles? Or more than a few years old? You dont because companies realize that as rentals the cars start costing more in maintenance at that point than they would be to replace with a newer model.....

It's more to do with residual value, then maintenance. Most cars today will go 100k miles before any services are needed and and most fleets will replace only the front tires and never rotate them to save replacing the rear.

[101lifts2]

No, I mean that when I started it up there was a small clacking sound that got worse after 5 minutes. The clacking turned into a steady stream of metallic clanking sounds. The only way that I can really describe the sound is that it was like a thousand really tiny garden gnomes wearing steel condoms where anally raping the engine to the tune of old mcdonald. I wound up bringing the car back because I really thought that it would leave me on the side of the road. The car had less than 10k on it.

The hollow wurring suspension noise is normal for FWD GM.

Sounds like the EVAP cannister purge solenoid. You will hear it when the engine is started because the commanded duty cycle is high. I'm guessing it's mounted close to the firewall.

[dReWpY]

GM=the suck

[Dave]

What parts? Very very rare to see anything "fall off an engine" that is production intent.

its been a while but i believe it was the acc belt tensioner. sheared clean off at under 10,000 miles

When was the last time you saw a rental car with more than 40 or 50k miles? Or more than a few years old? You dont because companies realize that as rentals the cars start costing more in maintenance at that point than they would be to replace with a newer model. It doesnt matter what kind of car it is dropping from N to D with the engine spinning at 6k will destroy it.

incidently I was extremely scared to drive the last cobalt I rented, it made noises that I never would have expected to hear come out of a car.

most of our fleet is in the 90k range or above. we are beginning to cycle them out but its a long process

Fuck this talk about other cars, I want to know the story on the 180 degree spin towards GM.

ditto

[zerioustt]

Too bad no GM...could get a nice used cts-v for under 30k.

[tallywacker]

Fuck this talk about other cars, I want to know the story on the 180 degree spin towards GM.

Yep, Gas send us a copy of what went down to our PM boxes.

[101lifts2]

GM=the suck

Drewpy=the punk redflip

[dReWpY]

There isn't the a new GM car that seems worth a damn IMHO, then again there isn't a new car other then a jeep I would consider owning. I just don't like any new cars as much as I do the older cars.

[Particle Man]

Yep, Gas send us a copy of what went down to our PM boxes.

The 90's and 00's.

[dubbs]

That's the reason I keep clicking on this thread.

Same here.. Yeah.. what happened?

[zerioustt]

My wife has a 2010 gmc terrain that I like a lot. AWD 4cyl withe 185hp that gets 28mpg tons of bells and whistles. She put 33k on it in a year and we have had 0 issues.

[smileyman]

Toyota should have the FT-86 out soon and the updated Subaru Impreza Coupe looks promising. Wait long enough and Mazda's RX8 replacement will show or get the Genesis, just wait till they sort out their manual transmission action. I hear it is lurchy between the clutch, shifter, and take up.

Maybe look at the updated Honda Civic Si if your front wheel drive friendly...

[derf]

That's the reason I keep clicking on this thread.

Since he has not actually told us why the about face on GM lets just make shit up.

I bet he took his GM car for a drive and it caught fire and wouldnt stop moving while he was in it, so he crashed into a school bus full of kids and killed them all. So now he needs to move on to Toyotas which arent known for hitting school buses while on fire and accelerating out of control

[Dave]

Toyota should have the FT-86 out soon and the updated Subaru Impreza Coupe looks promising. Wait long enough and Mazda's RX8 replacement will show or get the Genesis, just wait till they sort out their manual transmission action. I hear it is lurchy between the clutch, shifter, and take up.

Maybe look at the updated Honda Civic Si if your front wheel drive friendly...

Ft86 has promise, coming from toyota though I expect it to be boring with an awful interior

[Dave]

Since he has not actually told us why the about face on GM lets just make shit up.

I bet he took his GM car for a drive and it caught fire and wouldnt stop moving while he was in it, so he crashed into a school bus full of kids and killed them all. So now he needs to move on to Toyotas which arent known for hitting school buses while on fire and accelerating out of control

Ill bet him and uma were in the backseat making babies when the onstar folks got caught evesdropping

[defector]

Since he has not actually told us why the about face on GM lets just make shit up.

I bet he took his GM car for a drive and it caught fire and wouldnt stop moving while he was in it, so he crashed into a school bus full of kids and killed them all. So now he needs to move on to Toyotas which arent known for hitting school buses while on fire and accelerating out of control

Terrible accident with the shifter and an orifice - I wouldn't want to talk about it either.

[Homeslice]

drewpy, derf, dave, dubbs, defector...i cant tell you guys apart

[defector]

drewpy, derf, dave, dubbs, defector...i cant tell you guys apart

I'm the short one.

[dReWpY]

I'm the short one.

im the fat, slow one

[derf]

I'm the grumpy one

[Trip]

I'm the grumpy one

nope, you are the token jew

[derf]

Yeh that too

[Dave]

I'm the hairy one

[Gas Man]

Since he has not actually told us why the about face on GM lets just make shit up.

I bet he took his GM car for a drive and it caught fire and wouldnt stop moving while he was in it, so he crashed into a school bus full of kids and killed them all. So now he needs to move on to Toyotas which arent known for hitting school buses while on fire and accelerating out of control

Ill bet him and uma were in the backseat making babies when the onstar folks got caught evesdropping

Combine the 2 and you have it.

Just saw a Volvo today. Priced out a sweet C30R at $32k on their website.
http://www.volvocars.com/us/all-cars/volvo-c30/PublishingImages/Volvo_C30_EXT_1.5_Lrg.jpg
http://www.volvocars.com/us/all-cars/volvo-c30/PublishingImages/Volvo_C30_EXT_1.1_Lrg.jpg

The Volvo & VW dealers are next to each other in Troy & Ann Arbor so I'm planning a test drive trip soon.

I'm not sure how these 2 will compare... anybody got info on the volvo drivetrains? Seems like all their models run the same turbo I-5.

I looked online at BMW & Saab but they are out of my price range for what I want and I'm not sold on their looks.

[derf]

That volvo is bad ass.

[Gas Man]

I know rite!! But how does it compare to the GTI or Golf R??

It's right in the middle for power and weight between the 2 VWs. More power than the GTI and 150# heavier.

[Gas Man]

Perhaps... is the Volvo better to my age (32) than the VW?? IDK

[tallywacker]

Perhaps... is the Volvo better to my age (32) than the VW?? IDK

I like them because there aren't many S30's on the road. Unique car.

[Gas Man]

Here's the interior pics
http://www.volvocars.com/us/all-cars/volvo-c30/PublishingImages/Volvo_C30_INT_2.1_Lrg.jpg
http://www.volvocars.com/us/all-cars/volvo-c30/PublishingImages/Volvo_C30_INT_2.6_Lrg.jpg

I like them because there aren't many S30's on the road. Unique car.
True! And yet I do see some GTIs

[Dave]

Volvo is a solid ass car. Almost bought one. Oil pan is cast so try not to bang it on anything

[tallywacker]

whoops I mean c30

http://www.c30world.com/forums/

Find some insight on there and see if there is anything to avoid.

[anthonyk]

Perhaps... is the Volvo better to my age (32) than the VW?? IDK

Normally I'd say yes, but these days it's a tough call. :lol

[Gas Man]

Volvo is a solid ass car. Almost bought one. Oil pan is cast so try not to bang it on anything

Yes

whoops I mean c30

http://www.c30world.com/forums/

Find some insight on there and see if there is anything to avoid.

Will check but that is going to happen with any car.

Normally I'd say yes, but these days it's a tough call. :lol

I know... I know... but still. Who that watches that will actually know the car.

[Homeslice]

Perhaps... is the Volvo better to my age (32) than the VW?? IDK

Both are fine up to age 50. They have that Euro maturity.

The Mazdaspeed though, eh.......35 tops

[Gas Man]

Both are fine up to age 50. They have that Euro maturity.

The Mazdaspeed though, eh.......35 tops
Check!

[101lifts2]

Both are fine up to age 50. They have that Euro maturity.

The Mazdaspeed though, eh.......35 tops

The GTI is a better car...but let's face it, you're gonna drive it like a pussy anyway so might as well get the Volvo....Though the Volvo is kinda of a chick car.

:angel:

[Adeptus_Minor]

Combine the 2 and you have it.

Just saw a Volvo today. Priced out a sweet C30R at $32k on their website.


If you absolutely have to pay $32k for your Mazdaspeed 3, sure. :shrug:
I looked at both, I drove both, I bought the Mazda.

[Dave]

get the wood steering wheel and shift knob

[Homeslice]

Get the one with a limited slip that actually works.........some don't

[Gas Man]

The GTI is a better car...but let's face it; you're gonna drive it like a pussy anyway, so might as well get the Volvo....Though the Volvo is kinda of a chick car.

:angel:

Chick car? Really... It's not a miata!

If you absolutely have to pay $32k for your Mazdaspeed 3, sure. :shrug:
I looked at both, I drove both, I bought the Mazda.

Are you saying they are built on the same platform? :skep:

They definitely aren't the same motor.

Get the one with a limited slip that actually works.........some don't

Explain please.

[derf]

Are you saying they are built on the same platform? :skep:



They are all using the ford C1 platform, so the answer is yes, but yes there are multiple engines that are swapped in the different vehicles

ford focus & fusion, mazda 3 & 5, volvo c30 &70 & V50 & S40

[Homeslice]

Explain please.

LSD's (limited slip differentials) are supposed to help tame torque steer on a powerful FWD car, as well as help it power out of tight corners. But many of them work poorly. The car boards and magazines would know.

I don't even know if some of those models have them. I believe the Mazdaspeed does.

[Gas Man]

They are all using the ford C1 platform, so the answer is yes, but yes there are multiple engines that are swapped in the different vehicles

ford focus & fusion, mazda 3 & 5, volvo c30 &70 & V50 & S40

Good to know.

But stating the similarity would be like saying a MKZ & Fusion are exactly alike and they just charge $10k more for the MKZ. They share the same platform but even the motors are different.

LSD's (limited slip differentials) are supposed to help tame torque steer on a powerful FWD car, as well as help it power out of tight corners. But many of them work poorly. The car boards and magazines would know.

I don't even know if some of those models have them. I believe the Mazdaspeed does.

I understand. My HHRSS has one and is still a BIG handfull of power.

[Adeptus_Minor]

I don't even know if some of those models have them. I believe the Mazdaspeed does.

The Mazdaspeed does use a limited slip differential and they also have a proprietary torque management system that helps cut down on wheel spin and torque steer by restricting torque output from the engine while steering.
Don't ask me how that works, Mazda doesn't go into great detail about it either.

[racedoll]

Didn't bother with all 10 pages.. my vote is for a Subaru, either the WRX or Legacy GT. I'd say STi, but you want to be under $30K and this is well over.

[Gas Man]

Yeah I'm not doing a Subi. Too much "me too". I see way too many of them. It's almost like owning a GSXR. Certainly there are allot of them and for good reason, they are great. But I don't want to do that...

[Cutty72]

The Mazdaspeed does use a limited slip differential and they also have a proprietary torque management system that helps cut down on wheel spin and torque steer by restricting torque output from the engine while steering.
Don't ask me how that works, Mazda doesn't go into great detail about it either.

Power/torque is limited in the first 3 gears as well.

[derf]

Good to know.

But stating the similarity would be like saying a MKZ & Fusion are exactly alike and they just charge $10k more for the MKZ. They share the same platform but even the motors are different.



They share something like 50 or 60% of their parts. It the stuff you dont see that makes them the same, the unibody chassis is almost teh same, steering column, suspension, brakes, switches, electric motors, AC system, heater locks, wire harness, fuel tank, pumps etc... All the hidden shit you dont see. So when you pay 30k for a C30 volvo (still an awesome car) all you are really paying for is the cool body shape, motor and interior.

[Gas Man]

Power/torque is limited in the first 3 gears as well.

That is craptistic IMO

They share something like 50 or 60% of their parts. It the stuff you dont see that makes them the same, the unibody chassis is almost teh same, steering column, suspension, brakes, switches, electric motors, AC system, heater locks, wire harness, fuel tank, pumps etc... All the hidden shit you dont see. So when you pay 30k for a C30 volvo (still an awesome car) all you are really paying for is the cool body shape, motor and interior.

Yeah that part sucks... but happens all too often.

I decided to check top gear about the cars.

They have this cool "car chooser" and it always puts the GTI towards the top under my choices...
http://www.topgear.com/uk/parkinglot?CarTypeList=Hatchback&CarTypeList=Fast&PriceRangeMin=21200&PriceRangeMax=34100&x=231&y=17#Comfort:0,Emissions:0,Handling:43,Practicalit y:45,Performance:76,Quality:54,RunningCosts:50

Here's the GTI review
http://www.topgear.com/uk/volkswagen/golf-gti/verdict

Here's the C30 (not R) review
http://www.topgear.com/uk/volvo/c30/verdict

[Homeslice]

I tried that car chooser but there's no US version. Keeps giving me weird-ass Euro cars you can't buy here.

[Adeptus_Minor]

That is craptistic IMO


It sounds bad, but it hasn't caused me too many problems acceleration wise.

[Gas Man]

I tried that car chooser but there's no US version. Keeps giving me weird-ass Euro cars you can't buy here.

I know and I had to guess at prices too.

It sounds bad, but it hasn't caused me too many problems acceleration wise.
It's awesome in wet weather, though I freaked the first time I nailed it on a wet road and got wheel hop. :lol:

I don't like limits... I will limit myself if need be.

[Cutty72]

I don't like limits... I will limit myself if need be.

I will say it's pretty invisible unless you KNOW it's there.

[Dave]

dude just be like me and buy a 25 year old dodge turbo. bombproof

[Adeptus_Minor]

I will say it's pretty invisible unless you KNOW it's there.

Yeah, it hasn't slowed me down, but I'm sorta in tune with the power band now too.
But, ya know, it's not my job to sell anyone on it... I just love my car. :D

[tallywacker]

http://i.imgur.com/0PFoN.gif

[Cutty72]

Yeah, it hasn't slowed me down, but I'm sorta in tune with the power band now too.
But, ya know, it's not my job to sell anyone on it... I just love my car. :D

I loved it when it first came out, i was working at a Mazda dealership at the time.
We put 5k on a "demo" unit... needed new front tires :lol: Guess it doesn't limit it that much!

[Homeslice]

I loved it when it first came out, i was working at a Mazda dealership at the time.
We put 5k on a "demo" unit... needed new front tires :lol: Guess it doesn't limit it that much!

Yeah.......Thanks a lot for selling it to someone without telling them it will need a new clutch only 6 months later :lol:

[Gas Man]

dude just be like me and buy a 25 year old dodge turbo. bombproof

I have considered it.

Yeah, it hasn't slowed me down, but I'm sorta in tune with the power band now too.
But, ya know, it's not my job to sell anyone on it... I just love my car. :D

An aftermarket tune will always fix this sort of thing.

I loved it when it first came out, i was working at a Mazda dealership at the time.
We put 5k on a "demo" unit... needed new front tires :lol: Guess it doesn't limit it that much!

I have put the speed3 at the bottom of the list but it's not off the list like some others.

[Adeptus_Minor]

An aftermarket tune will always fix this sort of thing.


Yeah, I've wondered if it could just be chipped differently, but unfortunately I can't do anything like that for mine.
Lease = no mods :idk:

[Dave]

I have considered it.



An aftermarket tune will always fix this sort of thing.



I have put the speed3 at the bottom of the list but it's not off the list like some others.

Seriously, the lebaron cost me about $1600 is in amazing shape and runs like a top

[Cutty72]

Yeah, I've wondered if it could just be chipped differently, but unfortunately I can't do anything like that for mine.
Lease = no mods :idk:

You CAN do mods, just have to pull them or lose them at the end.

There was a guy that put nitrous on a leased Speed6.

He couldn't figure out why we wouldn't warranty his grenaded tranny though! :lol:

[Adeptus_Minor]

You CAN do mods, just have to pull them or lose them at the end.

There was a guy that put nitrous on a leased Speed6.

He couldn't figure out why we wouldn't warranty his grenaded tranny though! :lol:

Well, there's always that.
I love my warranty and VIP service agreement...don't want to screw with that.
The only mod I really considered was the short throw shifter kit, and as the car has worn in (and I've relearned my shifting skillz) I find I really don't need that either.

Sorry Gas... back to discussion of your list. :D

[Gas Man]

I nearly always install short throw shifters... I have one on my current and the wife on her current. Can't stand long shifters.

[derf]

I nearly always install short throw shifters... I have one on my current and the wife on her current. Can't stand long shifters.

That makes two of us. Every manual car ive owned has had a proper short throw installed, that, along with a decent set of tires, suspension, brakes, and a seat with good side support can improve a car imensely

[Adeptus_Minor]

That makes two of us. Every manual car ive owned has had a proper short throw installed, that, along with a decent set of tires, suspension, brakes, and a seat with good side support can improve a car imensely

I just bought the car with all that (except the shifter) already on it. :lol:
And honestly, I guess I'd have to drive a car with a short throw shifter to know what I'm missing. This thing is already such a step up from what I'm used to in terms of suspension, braking, and overall fun factor, I really can't complain much. :idk:

[Gas Man]

That makes two of us. Every manual car ive owned has had a proper short throw installed, that, along with a decent set of tires, suspension, brakes, and a seat with good side support can improve a car imensely

True... however

I just bought the car with all that (except the shifter) already on it. :lol:
And honestly, I guess I'd have to drive a car with a short throw shifter to know what I'm missing. This thing is already such a step up from what I'm used to in terms of suspension, braking, and overall fun factor, I really can't complain much. :idk:

as said... you can buy a car that comes stock with better aspects in performence.

[Homeslice]

I've had bad experiences with short shifters.......they made it move more stiffly, like as if someone poured molasses on it.

[Gas Man]

I know what you mean but that depends on brand.

[Cutty72]

I just bought the car with all that (except the shifter) already on it. :lol:
And honestly, I guess I'd have to drive a car with a short throw shifter to know what I'm missing. This thing is already such a step up from what I'm used to in terms of suspension, braking, and overall fun factor, I really can't complain much. :idk:

LIES! The stock Mazda tires suck!

[Gas Man]

LIES! The stock Mazda tires suck!
As do most stock tires. I know all the HHRSS guys say that most of the slipage issues with them is related to the craptastic stock michilens.

[Particle Man]

Most stock tires are for looks anyhow

[Homeslice]

What I hate is how must stock tires aren't wide enough to protect the rim. Can you say curb damage?

Also, who the hell really needs 19 inch rims on a hatchback? All they do is weigh more, attract thieves, and force you to spend twice as much on tires.

[pauldun170]

What I hate is how must stock tires aren't wide enough to protect the rim. Can you say curb damage?

Also, who the hell really needs 19 inch rims on a hatchback? All they do is weigh more, attract thieves, and force you to spend twice as much on tires.

I think it was motor trend that did a comparison test using different wheel sizes on a vw. I think it was the 16 inch wheels that perfomed best overall beating out the larger wheels.

[Homeslice]

I think it was motor trend that did a comparison test using different wheel sizes on a vw. I think it was the 16 inch wheels that perfomed best overall beating out the larger wheels.

No surprise there.

I'm really tempted to buy a GTI, but the huge wheels it comes with look comical on a car like that. I'd have to toss them on Ebay.

[101lifts2]

No surprise there.

I'm really tempted to buy a GTI, but the huge wheels it comes with look comical on a car like that. I'd have to toss them on Ebay.

New or used?:drool:

[Gas Man]

I'm with ya on the curb damage problem. I'm however, not with ya on the small rims. One of the things I love about the gti is it's huge rims.

And who does 19s anymore? That has turned into a bastard size and usually cost more than even 20s.

[Adeptus_Minor]

LIES! The stock Mazda tires suck!

They'll die soon enough. Road debris already killed one... and this is why I love my service agreement... Free replacement...
Would've been like $240 had I not had that agreement.
For those shitty little tires... $240.
Can we say "dealer markup"?

Anyway, when they're cooked, I'll be replacing them on my own dime with something more suitable.

(ps. Sorry Gas.. Cutty keeps baiting me into talking about my car :whistle:)

[Homeslice]

A service agreement, paying for wear items like tires? :scratch: How many miles does your lease allow?

[Homeslice]

I'm with ya on the curb damage problem. I'm however, not with ya on the small rims. One of the things I love about the gti is it's huge rims.

And who does 19s anymore? That has turned into a bastard size and usually cost more than even 20s.

OK, it has 18's.

But I just think it looks overkill on a short car like the GTI. Makes it look like one of those swimming pool toys, you know the things with big paddle wheels that you pedal?

I would rather have some old-school BBS lace spokes, in 16"

[Adeptus_Minor]

A service agreement, paying for wear items like tires? :scratch: How many miles does your lease allow?

17.5k per year, iirc.
And it was a road hazard warranty, not wear item replacement.

[Gas Man]

I have road hazard on my hd tires that they aren't allowed to repair. And it's weird I always catch a nail at 4/32 cause anything under 3/32 is considered worn.

I have 18s on the hhrss and I wish they were larger. So needless I disagree with the 18s on the gti being too big. I think they are perfect.

[Gas Man]

Well I test drove the GTI. For all the hype around this car I was disappointed. It was ok quick in 1st & 2nd gear but then it faded bad. Just another disappointment.

I was told by one of the nearby VW salesman that even though he owns a Volvo, that I would be disappointed in the C30 after driving the GTI.

and...

He was DEAD wrong!!! The C30 I think looks better in person, where the GTI is more boring in person. The added hp & torque of the C30 is way more noticeable even though the C30 I test drove was a craptastic auto where as the GTI was a stick (the way these cars should be IMO).

Then on the highway, the old saying "there's no replacement for displacement" held true. The Volvo's higher displacement (the 5th cylinder) did much better on the highway... constant & linear pull straight thru and over 100mph.

The things I didn't like about the C30 like the non-body color trim all around the car is painted body color on the C30 R-design. The R-design has nicer & bigger wheels (they didn't have one on the lot) but off pictures.

Then the while the VW offers 3yr/36k warranty and free servicing. The Volvo gives you 5yr/50k maintenance free, I'm talking light bulbs, oil changes, wiper blades, tire rotations, everything.

It keeps getting better for the Volvo. They offer this thing called "overseas delivery". So on the C30 R, they sell it to me for 3.1% cheaper than here, they fly me and one other person to Sweden, all expense paid, factory tour, food... I take delivery of my car in Sweden and drive it around where ever I want. Then I fly home and they ship my car to my dealer as well. WIN WIN!! I'm not sure why or where but I'm sure they are saving some import tax or something.

Details
http://www.volvocars.com/us/sales-services/sales/volvo_overseas_delivery/pages/default.aspx

So that did it... The Volvo C30 R-Design. Just as I posted earlier...

Just have to wait to see what happens with my current ride...

[derf]

Well I test drove the GTI. For all the hype around this car I was disappointed. It was ok quick in 1st & 2nd gear but then it faded bad. Just another disappointment.

I was told by one of the nearby VW salesman that even though he owns a Volvo, that I would be disappointed in the C30 after driving the GTI.

and...

He was DEAD wrong!!! The C30 I think looks better in person, where the GTI is more boring in person. The added hp & torque of the C30 is way more noticeable even though the C30 I test drove was a craptastic auto where as the GTI was a stick (the way these cars should be IMO).

Then on the highway, the old saying "there's no replacement for displacement" held true. The Volvo's higher displacement (the 5th cylinder) did much better on the highway... constant & linear pull straight thru and over 100mph.

The things I didn't like about the C30 like the non-body color trim all around the car is painted body color on the C30 R-design. The R-design has nicer & bigger wheels (they didn't have one on the lot) but off pictures.

Then the while the VW offers 3yr/36k warranty and free servicing. The Volvo gives you 5yr/50k maintenance free, I'm talking light bulbs, oil changes, wiper blades, tire rotations, everything.

It keeps getting better for the Volvo. They offer this thing called "overseas delivery". So on the C30 R, they sell it to me for 3.1% cheaper than here, they fly me and one other person to Sweden, all expense paid, factory tour, food... I take delivery of my car in Sweden and drive it around where ever I want. Then I fly home and they ship my car to my dealer as well. WIN WIN!! I'm not sure why or where but I'm sure they are saving some import tax or something.

Details
http://www.volvocars.com/us/sales-services/sales/volvo_overseas_delivery/pages/default.aspx

So that did it... The Volvo C30 R-Design. Just as I posted earlier...

Just have to wait to see what happens with my current ride...

Yeh you save on an import corporation tax because you are importing it instead of them. BMW started doing it in the 90s and it was a huge selling point for their cars, drive from the factory to the boat and the car meets you at your house in a few weeks. BMW would do a key ceremony where they brought you on the factory floor to put the last bolt on the car (after they had finished building it and did all the quality control checks and what not), then a bunch of the factory workers give you a certificate saying that you helped build the car then they clapped as you drive off (while the next schlub walks in the door to put the last bolt on his car). It was a good program and made many really happy customers out of people.

[Gas Man]

Yeah I knew it has to do something with the taxes. But at the end of the day for me, I get the car for cheaper and a free trip. What's not to love?

[Adeptus_Minor]

Then the while the VW offers 3yr/36k warranty and free servicing. The Volvo gives you 5yr/50k maintenance free, I'm talking light bulbs, oil changes, wiper blades, tire rotations, everything.

It keeps getting better for the Volvo. They offer this thing called "overseas delivery". So on the C30 R, they sell it to me for 3.1% cheaper than here, they fly me and one other person to Sweden, all expense paid, factory tour, food... I take delivery of my car in Sweden and drive it around where ever I want. Then I fly home and they ship my car to my dealer as well. WIN WIN!! I'm not sure why or where but I'm sure they are saving some import tax or something.

So that did it... The Volvo C30 R-Design. Just as I posted earlier...


Yeah, Volvo is definitely doing more to build their appeal these days.
Good choice, man. :dthumb:

[derf]

Yeah I knew it has to do something with the taxes. But at the end of the day for me, I get the car for cheaper and a free trip. What's not to love?

I dunno, that extra few days of driving vacation in europe seems like a pretty big bonus to me.

[Gas Man]

Yeah, Volvo is definitely doing more to build their appeal these days.
Good choice, man. :dthumb:

Definetly & thanks. Now to just rid myself of the current ride.

I dunno, that extra few days of driving vacation in europe seems like a pretty big bonus to me.

Right Right.

Now my BIL, aka my car lovin bud, says he wants his next ride to be a volvo. LOL And somehow he has talked my wife into him going with me to Sweden and not her. This could get interesting.....

[derf]

Definetly & thanks. Now to just rid myself of the current ride.



Right Right.

Now my BIL, aka my car lovin bud, says he wants his next ride to be a volvo. LOL And somehow he has talked my wife into him going with me to Sweden and not her. This could get interesting.....

Ummm yeh. That sounds like a prefect setup for a Kate Hudson move

[Dave]

Well I test drove the GTI. For all the hype around this car I was disappointed. It was ok quick in 1st & 2nd gear but then it faded bad. Just another disappointment.

I was told by one of the nearby VW salesman that even though he owns a Volvo, that I would be disappointed in the C30 after driving the GTI.

and...

He was DEAD wrong!!! The C30 I think looks better in person, where the GTI is more boring in person. The added hp & torque of the C30 is way more noticeable even though the C30 I test drove was a craptastic auto where as the GTI was a stick (the way these cars should be IMO).

Then on the highway, the old saying "there's no replacement for displacement" held true. The Volvo's higher displacement (the 5th cylinder) did much better on the highway... constant & linear pull straight thru and over 100mph.

The things I didn't like about the C30 like the non-body color trim all around the car is painted body color on the C30 R-design. The R-design has nicer & bigger wheels (they didn't have one on the lot) but off pictures.

Then the while the VW offers 3yr/36k warranty and free servicing. The Volvo gives you 5yr/50k maintenance free, I'm talking light bulbs, oil changes, wiper blades, tire rotations, everything.

It keeps getting better for the Volvo. They offer this thing called "overseas delivery". So on the C30 R, they sell it to me for 3.1% cheaper than here, they fly me and one other person to Sweden, all expense paid, factory tour, food... I take delivery of my car in Sweden and drive it around where ever I want. Then I fly home and they ship my car to my dealer as well. WIN WIN!! I'm not sure why or where but I'm sure they are saving some import tax or something.

Details
http://www.volvocars.com/us/sales-services/sales/volvo_overseas_delivery/pages/default.aspx

So that did it... The Volvo C30 R-Design. Just as I posted earlier...

Just have to wait to see what happens with my current ride...

Toldyaso ;) how'd you like the character of that I5?

[Gas Man]

The extra cylinder of the I5 really showed face on the highway...

[101lifts2]

.....It keeps getting better for the Volvo. They offer this thing called "overseas delivery". So on the C30 R, they sell it to me for 3.1% cheaper than here, they fly me and one other person to Sweden, all expense paid, factory tour, food... I take delivery of my car in Sweden and drive it around where ever I want. Then I fly home and they ship my car to my dealer as well. WIN WIN!! I'm not sure why or where but I'm sure they are saving some import tax or something. ......

I'm not sure why someone would do this..but..you are not an importer, which is required for any vehicle that is 25 years old or newer since it has to be proven to meet U.S DOT, NHTSA and EPA regulations. Also, it is U.S. VIN'd? If not, you cannot register it. Also, there may be no implied warranty.

[derf]

I'm not sure why someone would do this..but..you are not an importer, which is required for any vehicle that is 25 years old or newer since it has to be proven to meet U.S DOT, NHTSA and EPA regulations. Also, it is U.S. VIN'd? If not, you cannot register it. Also, there may be no implied warranty.

No they sell you the car to US specs (meets all requirements to be tag'd and titled in the US) and do all the shipping on your behalf and you contract with volvo to ship the car. Basically they take advantage of loopholes in the system. But there is no barrier to getting the car into the US.

[Gas Man]

Thank you derf.

Also, I should have mentioned... the base performance stereo in this car... OMG!! The most amazing stereo system I've ever heard in a manufacture car. It had bass like you would think it had a 12" sub in the trunk.

And I will order mine with their upgraded premium sound system... WOW.

[Flexin]

Well I test drove the GTI. For all the hype around this car I was disappointed. It was ok quick in 1st & 2nd gear but then it faded bad. Just another disappointment.

I was told by one of the nearby VW salesman that even though he owns a Volvo, that I would be disappointed in the C30 after driving the GTI.

and...

He was DEAD wrong!!! The C30 I think looks better in person, where the GTI is more boring in person. The added hp & torque of the C30 is way more noticeable even though the C30 I test drove was a craptastic auto where as the GTI was a stick (the way these cars should be IMO).

Then on the highway, the old saying "there's no replacement for displacement" held true. The Volvo's higher displacement (the 5th cylinder) did much better on the highway... constant & linear pull straight thru and over 100mph.

The things I didn't like about the C30 like the non-body color trim all around the car is painted body color on the C30 R-design. The R-design has nicer & bigger wheels (they didn't have one on the lot) but off pictures.

Then the while the VW offers 3yr/36k warranty and free servicing. The Volvo gives you 5yr/50k maintenance free, I'm talking light bulbs, oil changes, wiper blades, tire rotations, everything.

It keeps getting better for the Volvo. They offer this thing called "overseas delivery". So on the C30 R, they sell it to me for 3.1% cheaper than here, they fly me and one other person to Sweden, all expense paid, factory tour, food... I take delivery of my car in Sweden and drive it around where ever I want. Then I fly home and they ship my car to my dealer as well. WIN WIN!! I'm not sure why or where but I'm sure they are saving some import tax or something.

Details
http://www.volvocars.com/us/sales-services/sales/volvo_overseas_delivery/pages/default.aspx

So that did it... The Volvo C30 R-Design. Just as I posted earlier...

Just have to wait to see what happens with my current ride...

That is a crazy deal. I didn't know about that until you posted it. If I was in the market for a car I would have to take that in to consideration.

James

[Homeslice]

So are you definitely going to do this? Do you have enough vacation time stored up?

Not sure I'm a fan of the Volvo's styling, so I'm thinking about either a new base-model GTI, or a 2-3 yr old 328i. Either way lookin at about $24K or so.

[Gas Man]

Vac time won't be an issue. I have 3 weeks still. And after summer would work fine as far as work load. I think it takes 3 months from time of deposit till your car is ready.

Homeslice. Have you drove either? I was 90% sure I would want the gti over the c30r but seeing and driving changed that.

[tallywacker]

I would pick the c30 any day over the GTI and I have driven both. More power and I like the design a lot more.

[Gas Man]

Some people can't get by the minimalistic design to the interior. But it's a Swedish thing... hell it's a european thing even compared to american cars. The VW interiors are the same way... very plain compared to american cars.

[Homeslice]

I've driven the GTI, but not the Volvo. I did read what Car & Driver said about it, and they said they'd actually prefer the GTI. Also note what they said about the transmission choice.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q2/2011_volvo_c30_r-design-quick_spin

BTW, you know it's easy to add more power to the GTI, right? There's tons of mods, some as easy as a chip.

[Gas Man]

With a turbo, it's easy to add power to any vehicle. And to say "chip" is just old school. Modern cars, only need a re-tune.

And I trust C&D about as much as I would trust a whore to not put out. They are a classic bought and paid by advertisement magazine as any american print.

The users comments put the C30 into the same view that me and my BIL came away with.

[pauldun170]

Just saw a C30 T5 in the parking lot.
Holy crap is that a sharp little car.
I'd take that over a GTI anyday

[Homeslice]

Just saw a C30 T5 in the parking lot.
Holy crap is that a sharp little car.
I'd take that over a GTI anyday

Just be prepared to pay $5K+ extra

[anthonyk]

Yeah, BMW does overseas delivery, too. Pretty sweet, if you can swing it.

[Gas Man]

Just saw a C30 T5 in the parking lot.
Holy crap is that a sharp little car.
I'd take that over a GTI anyday

That's what I think.

Just be prepared to pay $5K+ extra

But you might get something for that money.

[Gas Man]

OK so in the hopes of being through...

I went back and test drove the Speed3 again, this time with my BOL who test drove the other cars.

The Speed3 is about $5k cheaper when you figure in my Ford discount. The Speed3 has about 50 more horse & torques. Plus it has the the elusive 2 rear doors. Not saying it's larger in back but it has the doors. It is faster, it performs better (this was the 3 stick and C30 auto though).

However, they are $0.25 a dozen, I see normal 3's all the time. The interior is run of the mill design and far less quality. I don't like the rims as a small note. The worse part is... I don't think Mazda can paint for shit. ANY MAZDA. The paint is HORRIBLE!! Regardless of color, they are all orange peal. BAD BAD BAD orange peal.

So I like the 4 doors, I like that it's faster, but I loose the exclusivity and gain shitty paint.

What's your take?

[tallywacker]

Saw a c30 yesterday parked at my local pub. Fucking awesome, they get better everytime I see one. If you can afford it, I wouldn't know why you would want the cheap looking mazdaspeed.

[Gas Man]

I know... I can pay the money. But I want to make sure. I think I've been very good about looking at more cars than usual. The Speed3 needed a 2nd visit after test driving the other hot hatchbacks. I just want to be sure.

[Dave]

get the volvo damn you

[Homeslice]

Have you tested a WRX? More room than any of those cars, cheaper, and better interior than the Mazda.

[Gas Man]

get the volvo damn you

I probably will. Just for you dave.

Have you tested a WRX? More room than any of those cars, cheaper, and better interior than the Mazda.

Nope... another me too car. Further, in order to get the one I would want it would be $40k.

[tallywacker]

Did you test drive a Lancer Rallisport? I don't see too many of those on the road.

[Gas Man]

You mean this?

http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMNA/jsp/lancer/11/index.do?flash=overview#/?page=performance

The Ralliart version?

[tallywacker]

You mean this?

http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMNA/jsp/lancer/11/index.do?flash=overview#/?page=performance

The Ralliart version?

Yeah that's it, in your price range and AWD turbo. Plus they are better inside than a subaru or mazda.

[Gas Man]

I see that... I have checked 3 of the 4 dealers online sites, it says they don't have one. But I will call the closest dealer that doesn't have a website and see if they have one.

Problem is, I would rather have the Evo. But that's $38k. I hate that.

It's like owning a Camero RS when you really want the SS.

[tallywacker]

There are so much aftermarket for the Lancer it's crazy. You could have EVO power levers easily.

[Gas Man]

There are so much aftermarket for the Lancer it's crazy. You could have EVO power levers easily.
See but that's the "me too" aspect I don't like. I could roll up to the car spot friday and see 7 other lancers of various model and year. It's like the gsxr of these car types.

[Homeslice]

But they sold way less of the current Lancer than the one before it.

[Gas Man]

I understand that, but still.

But to be honest about it all. I will go test drive one... maybe this weekend.

[Flexin]

I think your too worried about what others are driving. In the price range your going for you are that a lot of people can reach. The Volvo seems like your best bet in that case.

If not someone else suggested getting a used car that used to be in the $50000+ range that is now at what you want to spend.

James

[Gas Man]

I just don't like to be slightly different. I'm very anti-band wagon, on all things.

Anyway, I have thought about that. More expensive car used. But I would hate to have some hood riches used BMW that has never seen an oil change for 20,000 miles. Or some other stupid shit. Plus that requires lots more hunting.

[Gas Man]

I just don't like to be slightly different. I'm very anti-band wagon, on all things.

Anyway, I have thought about that. More expensive car used. But I would hate to have some hood riches used BMW that has never seen an oil change for 20,000 miles. Or some other stupid shit. Plus that requires lots more hunting.

[Gas Man]

My brother in law just told me he got a job promotion to mechanic complete with assigned work truck. He wants to get rid of his 2010 aveo... trying to get our wives little 16 yr old bro to buy it. He said I could give up and just make his payment. LOL

This is so much cooler than anything else I been looking at! LOL

It looks just like this one
http://gtcarlot.com/car/26744209
http://images.gtcarlot.com/gtgallery/26750601-640.jpg

:lol

[tallywacker]

Fuck that thing

[Flexin]

My brother in law just told me he got a job promotion to mechanic complete with assigned work truck. He wants to get rid of his 2010 aveo... trying to get our wives little 16 yr old bro to buy it. He said I could give up and just make his payment. LOL

This is so much cooler than anything else I been looking at! LOL

It looks just like this one
http://gtcarlot.com/car/26744209
http://images.gtcarlot.com/gtgallery/26750601-640.jpg

:lol

Tell him to throw in some spinner hub caps and jump on that deal. :rockwoot:

James

[Gas Man]

Lol. I will admit. On the pure $$ savings it looks interesting. But its a stripper point a to b car. Power locks, no a/c, no abs, man windows & mirrors. I never ragged him on "the skate" because he only paid like $12k for it or somin. I just don't know if I can live with such thing. Even if it does help family.

[Flexin]

Lol. I will admit. On the pure $$ savings it looks interesting. But its a stripper point a to b car. Power locks, no a/c, no abs, man windows & mirrors. I never ragged him on "the skate" because he only paid like $12k for it or somin. I just don't know if I can live with such thing. Even if it does help family.


I sold one when I had my used car business. It was around and 04 or so. I drove it 45 minutes to deliver it to my customer. It was an ok car. It was no power house on the highway but it was ok. Would I own one? Tiny cars are really not my thing.

I couldn't do it. And the no a/c (and its not warm all that long here) manual windows and so on would drive me nuts. I don't really even want another car without heated mirrors after getting them on the Tribute. I like features.

James

[Dave]

I just don't like to be slightly different. I'm very anti-band wagon, on all things.

Anyway, I have thought about that. More expensive car used. But I would hate to have some hood riches used BMW that has never seen an oil change for 20,000 miles. Or some other stupid shit. Plus that requires lots more hunting.

E28 with a turbo kit. car will run you 2k, little more for the conversion. bit more for rims. budget yourself around 10k and you'll have a retarded DD with reliability and power.

http://www.streetfire.net/video/e28-turbo-soundbyxprovid_162213.htm

http://www.bayaream5s.com/Bay_Area_M5s_Collection/BA_E28_M5/BA_E28_M5_3.jpg

[tallywacker]

E28 with a turbo kit. car will run you 2k, little more for the conversion. bit more for rims. budget yourself around 10k and you'll have a retarded DD with reliability and power.

http://www.streetfire.net/video/e28-turbo-soundbyxprovid_162213.htm

http://www.bayaream5s.com/Bay_Area_M5s_Collection/BA_E28_M5/BA_E28_M5_3.jpg

Reliability LOL

[Homeslice]

Reliability LOL

:lol

Plus any BMW that you could actually get for $2K is going to have oxidized paint, moldy seats, needs new shocks, bushings, window regulators, clutch, etc. It's the type of situation where you're constantly going "Should I bother modding this, when there are a ton of other things it needs in order to become really nice". I mean a decent paint job alone is at least $2K (sorry but Maaco is not a decent paint job).

I would get a 2-3 year old BMW under the CPO program. For the price of that Volvo, you could have a turbo 335i in either sedan, coupe, or convertible, with tons more power, more luxury, real RWD, and a better shifter. BMW provides free maintenance for the first 3 yrs, so you don't really need to worry about previous owners skipping an oil change, especially since they might get screwed later if they had to make a warranty claim.

[pauldun170]

Reliability LOL

It will be pretty reliable once you change out the drivetrain and redo all the wiring. Maybe swap out some suspension bits.

[Gas Man]

I sold one when I had my used car business. It was around and 04 or so. I drove it 45 minutes to deliver it to my customer. It was an ok car. It was no power house on the highway but it was ok. Would I own one? Tiny cars are really not my thing.

I couldn't do it. And the no a/c (and its not warm all that long here) manual windows and so on would drive me nuts. I don't really even want another car without heated mirrors after getting them on the Tribute. I like features.

James

I have manual locks, mirrors, windows in my work truck. You get use to it. It's A/C ready so that is only $700 to add and it would have to be.

E28 with a turbo kit. car will run you 2k, little more for the conversion. bit more for rims. budget yourself around 10k and you'll have a retarded DD with reliability and power.


Reliability LOL

:lol

Plus any BMW that you could actually get for $2K is going to have oxidized paint, moldy seats, needs new shocks, bushings, window regulators, clutch, etc. It's the type of situation where you're constantly going "Should I bother modding this, when there are a ton of other things it needs in order to become really nice". I mean a decent paint job alone is at least $2K (sorry but Maaco is not a decent paint job).

I would get a 2-3 year old BMW under the CPO program. For the price of that Volvo, you could have a turbo 335i in either sedan, coupe, or convertible, with tons more power, more luxury, real RWD, and a better shifter. BMW provides free maintenance for the first 3 yrs, so you don't really need to worry about previous owners skipping an oil change, especially since they might get screwed later if they had to make a warranty claim.

Yeah I would not go that old on a car. If I did I would go old Supra.

I'm not sure about the 2-3yr old BMW. I should maybe look into it.

I'm on the phone with the mitsubishi dealer now... looking for a ralliart

[Flexin]

I have manual locks, mirrors, windows in my work truck. You get use to it. It's A/C ready so that is only $700 to add and it would have to be.



I hate it. I had manual windows on my first two cars. Never since. Manual in a dump truck with no A/C. That drove me nuts. My step fathers Ranger has manual windows as well and I don't like it.

Power mirrors, power windows, a/c are things I would want if I was buying a car. Heated mirrors would be right up there on the list.

James

[Gas Man]

Oh I am with ya.

I'm still on the hunt but told bro to throw me numbers. Who knows.

[Cutty72]

I just don't like to be slightly different. I'm very anti-band wagon, on all things.


Says the guy on a Harley... :lol

[Dave]

Reliability LOL

Im usually the one to pan german cars. the e28 is a special exception though. m30 I6's are known to go well past 300k with basic maintenance and they are fairly cheap.

[Dave]

:lol

Plus any BMW that you could actually get for $2K is going to have oxidized paint, moldy seats, needs new shocks, bushings, window regulators, clutch, etc. It's the type of situation where you're constantly going "Should I bother modding this, when there are a ton of other things it needs in order to become really nice". I mean a decent paint job alone is at least $2K (sorry but Maaco is not a decent paint job).

I would get a 2-3 year old BMW under the CPO program. For the price of that Volvo, you could have a turbo 335i in either sedan, coupe, or convertible, with tons more power, more luxury, real RWD, and a better shifter. BMW provides free maintenance for the first 3 yrs, so you don't really need to worry about previous owners skipping an oil change, especially since they might get screwed later if they had to make a warranty claim.

things are everywhere over here

[Gas Man]

Well I looked into the Mit Lancer all around. The EVO while very nice and I'm sure very powerful, are just too much money.

The Ralliart, besides the fact that NOBODY has one in stock. It only comes in a TC SST trans. I don't want an automatic regardless if it has slapshift/paddle BS. I want an F'in manual.

Further, the wife wasn't too keen on the pure jap car. She's fine with the european cars but says the jap car may be a bit much.

[KSGregman]

I hear the new V8 camaro with the 6 speed manual transmission is wicked nice. LOL

[Gas Man]

Yeah that ISN'T happening!!!

[tallywacker]

it will be pretty reliable once you change out the drivetrain and redo all the wiring. Maybe swap out some suspension bits.

lol

[Homeslice]

My brother in law just told me he got a job promotion to mechanic complete with assigned work truck. He wants to get rid of his 2010 aveo... trying to get our wives little 16 yr old bro to buy it. He said I could give up and just make his payment. LOL

This is so much cooler than anything else I been looking at! LOL

:lol

lol is right....

[Gas Man]

Yeah don't worry. A quick chat with the wife to go over pros/cons nixxed it out of the runnings fast. Big cons... besides the lack of cool & power. I don't want another chevy, no way! Second, if I have problems with GM warranty in the future, it will be ruff go around I think after I'm done with my current car.

So onward and back on track. I want the volvo.

The overseas delivery, upon further research, does have some BIG negatives.

If I ordered today, due to summer shut down, I'm looking at the earliest pickup (deilivery there) in sweden is begining of Oct. I have to make full payment of the car 1 month prior to that date. Which means I would be making the first payment about the same time I see the car for the first time, in sweden.

Worse news... it would then take 8-10 weeks to recieve the car in michigan after my test drive around in sweden. So I would be making 3-4 payments on a car I've only test drove.

Not too mention not having it and being forced to drive a loaner from either my bud (truck) or mom (her fusion that she barely drives).

I have a dealership looking for cars around with what I want. Then maybe see if they want to deal on price. I would like to at the least get the 3.4% off I could get with overseas delivery.

[Gas Man]

Well the new 2012 C30 is coming with a few new options and the packages are setup differently. But in any effect, Saturday, I ordered the new one. Due to timing I just went with a altered to my preference "coming dealer stock" R-design. This saved huge time. Overseas delivery was looking like turkey day for me to have it here. Where this way, I'm looking at mid-september.

I ordered it completely loaded with everything but an auto (want a stick), and BLIS (blind spot monitor junk).

Got it in the dark grey, with grey/black leather. I am waiting for an email to be sent to myself so i can possibly link it here.

Here's a video of the orange version and being there aren't any 2012's, I wonder about their title.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDYbhyH5EME

[Gas Man]

Here this will have to work for now
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[Dave]

Yeah don't worry. A quick chat with the wife to go over pros/cons nixxed it out of the runnings fast. Big cons... besides the lack of cool & power. I don't want another chevy, no way! Second, if I have problems with GM waorranty in the future, it will be ruff go around I think after I'm done with my current car.

So onward and back on track. I want the volvo.

The overseas delivery, upon further research, does have some BIG negatives.

If I ordered today, due to summer shut down, I'm looking at the earliest pickup (deilivery there) in sweden is begining of Oct. I have to make full payment of the car 1 month prior to that date. Which means I would be making the first payment about the same time I see the car for the first time, in sweden.

Worse news... it would then take 8-10 weeks to recieve the car in michigan after my test drive around in sweden. So I would be making 3-4 payments on a car I've only test drove.

Not too mention not having it and being forced to drive a loaner from either my bud (truck) or mom (her fusion that she barely drives).

I have a dealership looking for cars around with what I want. Then maybe see if they want to deal on price. I would like to at the least get the 3.4% off I could get with overseas delivery.

Actually its a daewoo..

[Gas Man]

WTF you talking about Dave?

Oh and here's the link I've been waiting for.

http://www.volvocars.com/us/sales-services/sales/Pages/car-configurator.aspx?VBSload=1727565

[pauldun170]

35K?
Whoa...wasn't expecting that

[Tmall]

You buy a fucking car yet?

[Dave]

WTF you talking about Dave?

Oh and here's the link I've been waiting for.

http://www.volvocars.com/us/sales-services/sales/Pages/car-configurator.aspx?VBSload=1727565

The aveo is a daewoo in Chevy badges

[Gas Man]

35K?
Whoa...wasn't expecting that

Well I got some off that price. But when you add in all the options I want (nearly everything) it starts to add up.

You buy a fucking car yet?

Nope... put a down payment on it. The time table is not up to me.

The aveo is a daewoo in Chevy badges

True.

[Cutty72]

That thing is fucking hideous from the back.

[caveman]

That thing is fucking hideous from the back.

ditto

[101lifts2]

I cannot see spending 35k on a car unless it was modestly priced lease.

[Gas Man]

Many would say the same... saying that about a MKZ when you can buy the fusion for $10k less. But there is a reason...

[pauldun170]

Many would say the same... saying that about a MKZ when you can buy the fusion for $10k less. But there is a reason...


You can buy the T5 for 10K less than what you optioned it up too. So in the spirit of 101lifts post...
I cant see why I'd get a C30 when I can get a C30 for 10K less :lol:

After building my own on the Volvo site and looking at the coverage plan they offer I'd be mighty tempted to get one.

[Dave]

Meanwhile, Dave got another car for three figures :)

[Gas Man]

You can buy the T5 for 10K less than what you optioned it up too. So in the spirit of 101lifts post...
I cant see why I'd get a C30 when I can get a C30 for 10K less :lol:

After building my own on the Volvo site and looking at the coverage plan they offer I'd be mighty tempted to get one.
Well the T5 is the motor so there are many of their cars with that motor...

[tallywacker]

White people problems

[Gas Man]

Well not that any of you care... but here's the reasoning in this thread... As suspected it was due to a lemon lawsuit.

Over the first 11 months of ownership my SS had been in & out of the shop for everything from a blown motor at 3k, twice for a bouncy speedo, 3 times for A/C, and finally the sudden loss of turbo psi (down to 5-6$#) in 1st gear... all adding up to 4 months of the 10. We were on nearly a 50/50 split. In the last month of it being in the shop I opened up a GM Customer service claim. I wanted them to aid the dealer in fixing the boost problem, and wanted (at the time) 4 months of payments, plus $750 for the GM stage 1 kit if they didn't fix the boost issue. Fix it or not, I wanted 4 months ($1650). During the process I tried to get my dealers' sales managers to help push GM to "make good" on the car, that if GM "screws the pooch" on this one I'll never buy another GM and the sales at the dealer will be the first to be effected. They said that is part of the service manager & GM, and they couldn't do anything besides offer me a trade in of my SS. I was PISSED, so when I got home I called the lemon lawyer off my google search. They were great and with a day of review they wanted my case BAD. I waited, to see what GM was going to do, and told the lawyers that. GM said the car is functioning properly and so is the stage 1 kit, there is nothing wrong with it, they don't know why it boosted full psi in all gears before (suppose to be limited in 1st gear to extend drivetrain life), therefor no compensation considered for the stage 1 kit, and they offered me 1/singular/uno payment.

By this time I had already got the car back and took it in for the 2nd time for the bouncy speedo and it was still in the shop during this call from GM. I told them, it's BS on the stage 1, there has been no explanation on why my car out performed before or why it got turned down now, further, I now wanted 5 payments because we crested over to 4.5 months of 11. They said their 1 payment offer was their final offer. I told him it was their ONLY offer and it's crap. I grabed the papers from the lawyer, signed and sent them in. F GM and their cars. After this I basically parked the car, I didn't want anything to happen to it that would jeopardize my case, further I didn't trust it.

2 months later, I surrendered my car to the same dealer, told my service writter (great guy) that I keep my word that I gave him a few months back. I told them if GM didn't "make good" on it, I wouldn't own it for long. I'm a man of my word, it is my bond. GM had to pay off my lien, pay me all my payments, minus a miles use fee, and pay my lawyers. I was able to get my GAP insurance & wheel/tire protection money back. The car cost me insurance and about $300 for the 14months of "ownership". They bought a now 14 month old car with 10,XXX miles, that was only $25k new, for $30k. Not to mention all the money in service they put into it.


I'm done with GM, never again, will I buy another one of their products.

[Homeslice]

That was your HHR?

[Gas Man]

What do you mean?

[pauldun170]

White people problems

:lol:

[Homeslice]

What do you mean?

Your quote, is that about you and your HHR SS?

[Gas Man]

Your quote, is that about you and your HHR SS?
Yes... my HHR SS. The quote was a copy from another forum but cut down some.

Took out the quotes for ya

[101lifts2]

Well not that any of you care... but here's the reasoning in this thread... As suspected it was due to a lemon lawsuit.

Over the first 11 months of ownership my SS had been in & out of the shop for everything from a blown motor at 3k, twice for a bouncy speedo, 3 times for A/C, and finally the sudden loss of turbo psi (down to 5-6$#) in 1st gear... all adding up to 4 months of the 10. We were on nearly a 50/50 split. In the last month of it being in the shop I opened up a GM Customer service claim. I wanted them to aid the dealer in fixing the boost problem, and wanted (at the time) 4 months of payments, plus $750 for the GM stage 1 kit if they didn't fix the boost issue. Fix it or not, I wanted 4 months ($1650). During the process I tried to get my dealers' sales managers to help push GM to "make good" on the car, that if GM "screws the pooch" on this one I'll never buy another GM and the sales at the dealer will be the first to be effected. They said that is part of the service manager & GM, and they couldn't do anything besides offer me a trade in of my SS. I was PISSED, so when I got home I called the lemon lawyer off my google search. They were great and with a day of review they wanted my case BAD. I waited, to see what GM was going to do, and told the lawyers that. GM said the car is functioning properly and so is the stage 1 kit, there is nothing wrong with it, they don't know why it boosted full psi in all gears before (suppose to be limited in 1st gear to extend drivetrain life), therefor no compensation considered for the stage 1 kit, and they offered me 1/singular/uno payment.

By this time I had already got the car back and took it in for the 2nd time for the bouncy speedo and it was still in the shop during this call from GM. I told them, it's BS on the stage 1, there has been no explanation on why my car out performed before or why it got turned down now, further, I now wanted 5 payments because we crested over to 4.5 months of 11. They said their 1 payment offer was their final offer. I told him it was their ONLY offer and it's crap. I grabed the papers from the lawyer, signed and sent them in. F GM and their cars. After this I basically parked the car, I didn't want anything to happen to it that would jeopardize my case, further I didn't trust it.

2 months later, I surrendered my car to the same dealer, told my service writter (great guy) that I keep my word that I gave him a few months back. I told them if GM didn't "make good" on it, I wouldn't own it for long. I'm a man of my word, it is my bond. GM had to pay off my lien, pay me all my payments, minus a miles use fee, and pay my lawyers. I was able to get my GAP insurance & wheel/tire protection money back. The car cost me insurance and about $300 for the 14months of "ownership". They bought a now 14 month old car with 10,XXX miles, that was only $25k new, for $30k. Not to mention all the money in service they put into it.


I'm done with GM, never again, will I buy another one of their products.

So...you modified it and the motor blew up? But the modification was done at the dealer?

What was wrong with the A/C? Sounds like the dealer didn't know wtf they were doing...as with the speedometer moving around.

Personally, I"m done with other makes. I'm only going to buy GM from now on. redflip

[Homeslice]

So wait......You had the Stage 1 installed, and it wasn't limiting boost in 1st like it was supposed to........And then sometime later it did (how long?)

Sounds like GM's legal team was shitty, or just didn't bother trying. Because if you KNEW when you bought the kit that the boost SHOULD be limited, then how can you complain when it does? You got a BONUS of a few months worth of full boost, and now you're complaining because it finally started limiting boost like you EXPECTED it to from the beginning.

At least that's my 2 cents, from a devils advocate redflip

[Gas Man]

So...you modified it and the motor blew up? But the modification was done at the dealer?

What was wrong with the A/C? Sounds like the dealer didn't know wtf they were doing...as with the speedometer moving around.

Personally, I"m done with other makes. I'm only going to buy GM from now on. redflip

The stage 1 kit is a GM assc sold piece, that when installed at the dealer is warrantied under the cars powertrain warranty for 5yr/100k. The motor blew up because of an improperly installed piston. The problem was a known issue with the piston rings, they had other reported cases.

The A/C... compressor, o-ring, and I think o-ring again.

Speedo... replaced speedo sensor, then found a bad wire and/or ground.

You buying GM... ok good for you.

So wait......You had the Stage 1 installed, and it wasn't limiting boost in 1st like it was supposed to........And then sometime later it did (how long?)

Sounds like GM's legal team was shitty, or just didn't bother trying. Because if you KNEW when you bought the kit that the boost SHOULD be limited, then how can you complain when it does? You got a BONUS of a few months worth of full boost, and now you're complaining because it finally started limiting boost like you EXPECTED it to from the beginning.

At least that's my 2 cents, from a devils advocate redflip

The boost was never limited and was never told to me that it would be limited. It didn't start limiting till the car had 9200 miles on it and on it's 2nd motor. When it decided to do this, it actually limited boost in all 5 gears at first. Then after a few key cycles (I was driving around) it came back in 2-5, but not first. The dealer even acknowledged it use to run full boost, and now it didn't.

Regardless of what all was wrong... Michigan lemon law states it only has to be in the shop for a cumlative of 30 days within the first 12 months. I had over 4.5 months.

Think about all the times you have had a car in the shop... non collision. I will gaurantee you, it has never been more than a month. Let alone the time I had mine in...

[derf]

Think about all the times you have had a car in the shop... non collision. I will gaurantee you, it has never been more than a month. Let alone the time I had mine in...

I had a neon that I bought new in 99. 800 miles and 3 weeks into owning it, it put a piston through the front of the block. I get it back with a new motor just about a month later, then 2 days after that the trans locked up and the clutch and flywheel dinitegrated. I suspected that the engine was somehow installed wrong causing the trans failure. a month after that I get the car back and was able to drive it for 2 days before the trans seized on me again (at speed) breaking an axle and destroying the gears in the trans, again I suspect it was the installers fault. It took a month to get it back and the car made terrible noises after that and it wouldn't track straight. I had it for another month of which it spent most of that time in the shop trying to be fixed. Dealer offered to give me a new car but as soon as they were served with papers I got my full amount back minus mileage. in just about 5 month of ownership the car had under 1200 miles on it and I had it in my possession for less than a month.

[Gas Man]

Sounds similar...

[Gas Man]

Picked up the new whip on thursday
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design020.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design007.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design002.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design006.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design010.jpg

The LED DRLs
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design012.jpg

The keyless entry door button
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design049.jpg

The trunk
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design025.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design026.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design028.jpg

Interior
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design029.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design033.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design031.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design037.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design041.jpg

Behind the radio/hvac controls aka waterfall
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design037.jpg

Center console storage and USB access
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design038.jpg

Fold out/up dash nav with center speaker
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design041.jpg

[Gas Man]

The T5 motor
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design043.jpg

The active bending HID projection headlights with washers
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design044.jpg

The 18's
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design047.jpg

We have owned a few other luxury cars like lincolns and cadillacs, but this car is by far nicer... it is so much more refined and the attention to small details is great. The active bending (they turn when you steer around the corner) headlights are great. The LED DRLs are super visable during the daytime driving and the switching is all automatic. We simply love this car.

[shmike]

Nice ride, Gas.

I really love the Volvo interiors.

I'm not sure about the pop-up Nav but rest looks really sleek.

[Gas Man]

Friday I ordered LEDs for the interior lights, and the reverse lights. I don't want to go overboard so I will keep it restricted to just the white LEDs.

Saturday it saw my tint guy... same tint as the Fiesta (20% rears/35% front doors/10% windshield strip).
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design053.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design054.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design056a.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design058a.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design062.jpg

And the 2 cars look good together...
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design066a.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design067a.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/2012VolvoC30R-Design073a.jpg

Nice ride, Gas.

I really love the Volvo interiors.

I'm not sure about the pop-up Nav but rest looks really sleek.
Thanks and I wasn't sure either, but without it, the dash looks very very plain. Further, it seems to work well.

[azoomm]

Nice car. Really awesome.

[Dave]

C30 is a sick ass car

[Adeptus_Minor]

That just looks like a lot of fun. :dthumb:

[Porkchop]

I really like it. The rear end is cool.

Does the gas pedal seem overly close to the brake, or is it just the camera angle???

New cars are always fun. I'm still in the honeymoon phase with mine. Just had the 3k service last week.

[Homeslice]

Very nice. That waterfall dash is unique.

[derf]

Just like I told you, sick car

[Gas Man]

C30 is a sick ass car

Thanks, that would be why I ordered it.

That just looks like a lot of fun. :dthumb:

It is, the stick shift made it 110% which was a good bunch better. I never drove the stick shift version and took the leap. I will say, if there was any debate between the GTI or Speed3, had I drove this stick shift, the debate would have been closed swiftly. It's that much better in stick form, which was what the other cars were that I test drove.

I really like it. The rear end is cool.

Does the gas pedal seem overly close to the brake, or is it just the camera angle???

New cars are always fun. I'm still in the honeymoon phase with mine. Just had the 3k service last week.

It seems like most like the rear end, but some don't. I just tell em they are uncultured.

Ya, know, I looked at it... it does seem that way from the pic, but I haven't noticed it driving. Will look again later when the wife gets home, let her take it to work today.

Yeah I have a 1k trip planned so the honeymoon will be just that soon.

Very nice. That waterfall dash is unique.

It is, it threw me off when I first saw it, and now it does to anybody else. It even has a LED ambient light behind it...

Just like I told you, sick car

I'm lovin it.

[derf]

It is, it threw me off when I first saw it, and now it does to anybody else. It even has a LED ambient light behind it...



Totally read this as ambien served by LEDs. I imagined that teh LEDs popped out little tiny ambiens for your sleeping pleasure. Fuck I'm tired

[tallywacker]

Damn nice car, great choice. Now don't rice this thing out, it looks great from the factory

[RACER X]

cool lil car

just can't see $35k though.

[Rider]

Should have found a 2008 Audi RS6. 573HP V10. :rockwoot:

[dubbs]

The rear end just doesn't make sense to me..

Interior is pretty strange too. But hey, looks are subjective right?

Good luck with her!

[Gas Man]

Damn nice car, great choice. Now don't rice this thing out, it looks great from the factory

I don't have much plans... the LEDs for the inside (hate the yellow normal lights). Oh and I want an exhaust.

cool lil car

just can't see $35k though.

It's there... trust me it's super nice.

Should have found a 2008 Audi RS6. 573HP V10. :rockwoot:

:didntdo:

The rear end just doesn't make sense to me..

Interior is pretty strange too. But hey, looks are subjective right?

Good luck with her!

Subjective yes...

[Cutty72]

I like 95% of the car, but it just has a big fat ass! Maybe it would grow on a guy, but not gonna take it to bed on the first date!

[Particle Man]

I like 95% of the car, but it just has a big fat ass! Maybe it would grow on a guy, but not gonna take it to bed on the first date!

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCkQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dk4h e79krseU&ei=GAuVTrHeM8WutwfJwPiwAQ&usg=AFQjCNE1oz6cywU1zwymfwi81agG6WfS7A

[Cutty72]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCkQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dk4h e79krseU&ei=GAuVTrHeM8WutwfJwPiwAQ&usg=AFQjCNE1oz6cywU1zwymfwi81agG6WfS7A

uh yeah...

<<<< this guy = white.

[Gas Man]

I tell ya... I just put about 550 miles on it today... got an average of 27.5mpg on the highway at 80mph most of the time.

Further, I LOVE the rain sensing wipers!!

[Rugby66x]

Awesome car didn't know you got a new one. At least it's better than that HHR thing never have liked those too much. I've never had a problem with any GM cars except the cobalt which left my buddies stranded in coleman, AL. I've had my Silverado almost a year haven't had a problem yet and I drive it like I stole it. Anyways congrats on the new whip looks like fun in a nice comfy package.

[Homeslice]

Should have found a 2008 Audi RS6. 573HP V10. :rockwoot:

What's the MPG, 18? lol.....

[pauldun170]

What's the MPG, 18? lol.....downhill with the wind at your back

[Gas Man]

Awesome car didn't know you got a new one. At least it's better than that HHR thing never have liked those too much. I've never had a problem with any GM cars except the cobalt which left my buddies stranded in coleman, AL. I've had my Silverado almost a year haven't had a problem yet and I drive it like I stole it. Anyways congrats on the new whip looks like fun in a nice comfy package.
Thanks. I'll take ya for a spin in it sometime... maybe this winter we'll have a TWM meet & greet.

[Gas Man]

Did my LED swap out..

I hate these off white lights!
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/LEDs006.jpg

Reverse lights
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/LEDs001.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/LEDs002.jpg

before
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/LEDs003.jpg

after
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/LEDs004.jpg

trunk light (bulb slightly turned for pic)
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/LEDs005.jpg

plate lights (left - old ; right - led)
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/LEDs014a.jpg

booyah
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/LEDs015.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/LEDs013.jpg

Glove box
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/LEDs017.jpg

Floor lights
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/LEDs012.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/LEDs011.jpg

Dome/Map lights
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/LEDs009.jpg

Old unit bulb on left, the new twist lock adapter and led on right
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/LEDs008.jpg

vanity mirrors
OLD
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/SU1HMDAzMDItMjAxMTEwMTktMTgxMC5qcGc.jpg

Newness with old bulbs
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/SU1HMDAzMDUtMjAxMTEwMTktMTgxMS5qcGc.jpg

(L=old/R=LED)
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/SU1HMDAzMDYtMjAxMTEwMTktMTgxNC5qcGc.jpg

so much better
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/LEDs/SU1HMDAzMDMtMjAxMTEwMTktMTgxMC5qcGc.jpg

[Gas Man]

Took the car south to visit Trip and hit the BRP from Cherokee to Big Lynn Lodge
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/GoneSouth012.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/GoneSouth061.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/GoneSouth060.jpg

Scenery
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/GoneSouth065.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/GoneSouth066.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/GoneSouth067.jpg

From our Big Lynn Lodge room
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/GoneSouth107.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/GoneSouth108.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Vechicles/2012%20Volvo%20C30%20R-Design/GoneSouth110.jpg

Have over 1800 miles on the odometer now. Got about 28-29.5 mpg for the entire trip, which is advertised 29mpg highway. The car is super quiet, smooth, and really fast. This is the first car in long time that has impressed me. I love this car.

[tallywacker]

Anymore updates?

[Gas Man]

I have almost doubled the miles on the car since the 2 week of ownership. LOL

I put about 1800 miles on it in 2 weeks. I'm almost at 3400 now... I simply don't drive it much since I got a work truck again.

That being said... my new Elevate exhaust should be in, any day now.

Otherwise, I still love the car...