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Kaneman
05-18-2011, 11:04 AM
The United States of America has an incarceration rate of 743 per 100,000 of national population (as of 2009), the highest in the world. In comparison, Russia has the second highest 577 per 100,000, Canada has 117 per 100,000, and China has 120 per 100,000.[3] While Americans only represent about 5 percent of the world’s population, one-quarter of the entire worlds inmates are incarcerated in the United States.
According to a US Department of Justice report published in 2006, over 7.2 million people were at that time in prison, on probation, or on parole. That means roughly 1 in every 32 Americans are held by the justice system. According to the International Centre for Prison Studies (ICPS) at King’s College London, of that 7.2 million, 2.3 million are in prison. The People's Republic of China comes in second place with 1.6 million, despite its population being over four times that of the United States.

Among the prisoners, drug offenders made up the same percentage of State prisoners in both 1997 and 2004 (21%). The percentage of Federal prisoners serving time for drug offenses declined from 63% in 1997 to 55% in 2004. In the twenty-five years since the passage of the Anti-Drug Abuse Act, the United States penal population rose from around 300,000 to more than two million. Between 1986 and 1991, African-American's women's incarceration in state prisons for drug offenses increased by 828 percent.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Cost

Cost


U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics. To view the data:
In 2006, $68,747,203,000 was spent on corrections. "The average annual operating cost per state inmate in 2001 was $22,650, or $62.05 per day; among facilities operated by the Federal Bureau of Prisons, it was $22,632 per inmate, or $62.01 per day."

Housing the approximately 500,000 people in jail awaiting trial who cannot afford bail costs $9 billion a year. Most jail inmates are petty, nonviolent offenders. Twenty years ago most nonviolent defendants were released on their own recognizance (trusted to show up at trial). Now most are given bail, and most pay a bail bondsman to afford it.[65] 62% of local jail inmates are awaiting trial.

To ease jail overcrowding over 10 counties every year consider building new jails. As an example Lubbock County, Texas has decided to build a $110 million megajail to ease jail overcrowding. Jail costs an average of $60 a day nationally.In Broward County, Florida supervised pretrial release costs about $7 a day per person while jail costs $115 a day. The jail system costs a quarter of every county tax dollar in Broward County, and is the single largest expense to the county taxpayer.

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OneSickPsycho
05-18-2011, 11:38 AM
Yay! WE'RE #1! WE'RE #1!!!

dubbs
05-18-2011, 12:13 PM
So many things fucked up with that post..

Biggest one is tax dollars going to FOR-PROFIT corporations.. How is that legal?

Homeslice
05-18-2011, 12:19 PM
I don't know anyone who supports the war on drugs, yet nothing ever changes. Proof that the military industrial / homeland "security" complex is who's really in charge.

Homeslice
05-18-2011, 12:21 PM
So many things fucked up with that post..

Biggest one is tax dollars going to FOR-PROFIT corporations.. How is that legal?

Nothing illegal about using private contractors. Whether it's a good idea or not is another question.

Papa_Complex
05-18-2011, 02:03 PM
And yet my government wants to go down the same road :skep:

Dave
05-18-2011, 02:09 PM
Listening to system of a down again have we?

Apoc
05-18-2011, 02:18 PM
And yet my government wants to go down the same road :skep:



Not quite.

Our government wants to make more jails for small crimes, not prisons. From my understanding anyway.

Kaneman
05-18-2011, 02:28 PM
Not quite.

Our government wants to make more jails for small crimes, not prisons. From my understanding anyway.

That's where it starts I'm sure. Then as the companies that run those jails make more money and gain more power they start building larger prisons and using their union influences to ensure laws are passed (anti-marijuana laws in Canada for example) that fills those prisons with bodies.

I'm only speculating, I have no real knowledge of Canada's system and if they have private prisons or not.

Papa_Complex
05-18-2011, 02:30 PM
Not quite.

Our government wants to make more jails for small crimes, not prisons. From my understanding anyway.

Prisons. And more "mandatory minimum sentences", because it's worked so well in places like California :screwy:

Avatard
05-18-2011, 04:09 PM
The war on drugs is what perpetuates this.

Stop just that, and it all falls away.

It's just one thing, but it's a big thing, and there's a lot of interest in keeping the gravy train rolling the way it is.

People can affect this change, and they can stop this, but it has to be made a priority...and while most people agree it should be done, not many care enough to fight for it.

Perhaps it's OK, as soon enough everyone will have a loved one swept up in the system, and MAYBE then they'll care enough to rally for change.

fujimoh
05-18-2011, 05:00 PM
The war on drugs is what perpetuates this.

Stop just that, and it all falls away.

It's just one thing, but it's a big thing, and there's a lot of interest in keeping the gravy train rolling the way it is.

People can affect this change, and they can stop this, but it has to be made a priority...and while most people agree it should be done, not many care enough to fight for it.

Perhaps it's OK, as soon enough everyone will have a loved one swept up in the system, and MAYBE then they'll care enough to rally for change.

Nah, Americans care more about Survivor and American Idol

Adeptus_Minor
05-18-2011, 08:35 PM
Imprisoning people for lesser crimes is a waste of public funds.
Bring back the stocks! Serve a few sessions in there and go on about your damn business (albeit, a little sore and smelling of rotten fruits & vegetables)

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Apoc
05-18-2011, 09:06 PM
That's where it starts I'm sure. Then as the companies that run those jails make more money and gain more power they start building larger prisons and using their union influences to ensure laws are passed (anti-marijuana laws in Canada for example) that fills those prisons with bodies.

I'm only speculating, I have no real knowledge of Canada's system and if they have private prisons or not.



Our 'Anti-Marijuana laws' arent as strict as yours by any means though. Possession is a small fine (230$), and generally selling pot will net you probation. Its not the same up here as being caught selling hard drugs.

My friend Patrick was caught last year with 4 pounds in his car. He got 3 years probation, and a little over a thousand dollars in fines. Down in your neck of the woods, im guessing 4 pounds would get you a lengthy prison sentence.

Dont get me wrong, I still think that even that is too much, but our laws are nowhere near as strict as yours (yet). Hell, even first degree murder is only a 25 year sentence (with exceptions for those who will always be a danger to society), which is whats considered 'life' in Canada. Unlike down there, there is a chance you'll get out to see daylight agaiun fort even the most heinous crimes.

Dont get me wrong, I totally agree with your original post in this thread. Shit has gotten completely out of hand down there, and are starting to get worst here.

Kaneman
05-19-2011, 07:52 AM
Our 'Anti-Marijuana laws' arent as strict as yours by any means though. Possession is a small fine (230$), and generally selling pot will net you probation. Its not the same up here as being caught selling hard drugs.



That's all changing my friend, the U.S. has been putting heavy pressure on Canada to begin using mandatory minimums in regard to marijuana laws. Stiffer fines and jail/prison times are on the way for you guys as well.

Papa_Complex
05-19-2011, 08:15 AM
That's all changing my friend, the U.S. has been putting heavy pressure on Canada to begin using mandatory minimums in regard to marijuana laws. Stiffer fines and jail/prison times are on the way for you guys as well.

And, as I've commented in other threads, our Conservative government is only happy to oblige them. This is where I diverge, significantly, from the 'social' conservatives. I believe that you don't do something, for no more than ideological reasons, that runs counter to the professed dictates of your political stance. We don't spend a whole lot on prisons because we DON'T HAVE TO spend a whole lot on prisons. Changing things, in a way that alters that by making hardened criminals out of those who otherwise would not be, is (to coin a phrase) FUCKING IDIOTIC!