New York City bans outdoor smoking

[L8 Braker]

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New York City outdoor smoking ban begins - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/23/new.york.smoking.ban/index.html?hpt=T2)

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[derf]

This is another non-enforcable law. They have laws on the books already that ban smoking in most parts of public parks, as well as to fine people for littering. There will be a ton of tickets handed out right away, but after a little while the cops will go back to not caring. Plus they have bigger crimes to worry about than smoking in public.

Also the 50k figure for second hand smoking deaths are a BS figure. How many of those deaths are from an occasional exposure vs non smokers who live in the same house as smokers? I just dont buy it.


Alibi: Except for 2 moments of weakness I haven't lit up in 4 weeks.

[Particle Man]

It will go on longer this time, Fred. The city needs money and this is a cash cow just standing there waiting for the city to milk it. Oppose the law and you're "against public health" and al that.

Traffic and smoking tickets = $

[derf]

It will go on longer this time, Fred. The city needs money and this is a cash cow just standing there waiting for the city to milk it. Oppose the law and you're "against public health" and al that.

Traffic and smoking tickets = $

No, this is the same old story again about creating laws to make more money:

We expected to make $X,XXX,XXX per year and the program will pay for itself, but we only made $XX,XXX and now we owe money.


They created some program (forget what it was) when they banned smoking in bars expecting the bar smoking fines to pay for it. They made some crazy multimillion dollar figure less than expected. It reminds me of speeding and red light camera programs.

I'm for public health and all, but make it worth while and actually do something other than be a token political move

[RACER X]

Fyi, since Z is a cancer nurse, she has a little more insight and info then most there is something now called 3rd hand smoke that they are looking into

[VatorMan]

I really don't care if someone want to kill themselves by smoking,but the litter and smell I have to endure makes me glad they are doing it.

[dubbs]

I really don't care if someone want to kill themselves by smoking,but the litter and smell I have to endure makes me glad they are doing it.

But it's outside!.. just don't stand near them.. this magical thing called wind carries it away.. :skep:

Edit - I will agree about the litter.. at some intersections if you look to the right or left of the road there are hundreds of thousands of cigarette butts.. Craziness..

I will also say that I'm not a smoker..

[RACER X]

But it's outside!.. just don't stand near them.. this magical thing called wind carries it away.. :skep:

Edit - I will agree about the litter.. at some intersections if you look to the right or left of the road there are hundreds of thousands of cigarette butts.. Craziness..

I will also say that I'm not a smoker..

That wind is a fickle thing sometimes your upwind sometimes not


, ever smelled a person blow smoke out the car window, and your on the bike behind them?

[dubbs]

, ever smelled a person blow smoke out the car window, and your on the bike behind them?

Yup.. Do you really think that's hurting you? It's like thinking getting an X-ray is the equivalent of being in the vicinity of a nuclear meltdown..

[marko138]

Good.

[tommymac]

Good.

does this mean you will come to NYC now :lol:

[marko138]

does this mean you will come to NYC now :lol:
I've been there. I'll go back.

[tommymac]

I've been there. I'll go back.

Good beer to be had here and smoke free bars :clap:

[marko138]

Good beer to be had here and smoke free bars :clap:
I actually may be there sooner rather than later. My wife wants to make a trip up there soon.

[Mudpuppy]

why don't they just quit making cigarettes? it would solve all this bullshit.. everyone knows they do no good..

[RACER X]

Yup.. Do you really think that's hurting you? It's like thinking getting an X-ray is the equivalent of being in the vicinity of a nuclear meltdown..

Does it matter what level of exposure?

I live a smoke free life, why should I have to even whiff your smoke? So you can exercise your freedom to smoke?

[tommymac]

I actually may be there sooner rather than later. My wife wants to make a trip up there soon.

keep me posted.

[marko138]

keep me posted.
Always, lover.

[dubbs]

Does it matter what level of exposure?

I live a smoke free life, why should I have to even whiff your smoke? So you can exercise your freedom to smoke?

How do you ever leave your house? There's smoke, smog, fumes, and bad smelling shit everywhere.. That's life..

Should we make a law limiting how much sewers can smell?

[Archren]

Does it matter what level of exposure?

I live a smoke free life, why should I have to even whiff your smoke? So you can exercise your freedom to smoke?

Burn pits in Iraq are a hell of a lot worse to breathe. It's all relative after that. Thank you, KBR!

[Homeslice]

Poorly titled. It should say "NYC public outdoor area smoking ban begins."

[RACER X]

Burn pits in Iraq are a hell of a lot worse to breathe. It's all relative after that. Thank you, KBR!

You're paying for that free GI bill someway

[Archren]

You're paying for that free GI bill someway

So if I'm paying for it, with my time, my relationship with my family and children, my physical and mental health, and possibly my life, how is it free?

[KSGregman]

So if I'm paying for it, with my time, my relationship with my family and children, my physical and mental health, and possibly my life, how is it free?

I'm with you.

Fecking hell....I'm gonna try and give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that was some kind of awkward and poorly thought out attempt at "humor."

Just....wow. :skep:

[RACER X]

So if I'm paying for it, with my time, my relationship with my family and children, my physical and mental health, and possibly my life, how is it free?

That was my point, it ain't ' free'

[askmrjesus]

How the fuck do New Yorkers even smell ciggy smoke, over the bus/cab fumes, rotting garbage, and wino piss?

JC

[shmike]

How the fuck do New Yorkers even smell ciggy smoke, over the bus/cab fumes, rotting garbage, and wino piss?

JC

Right?

I love NYC but give me a break.

But people like Ed who are sitting in traffic huffing the fumes and ozone of all the traffic surrounding them (ozone is known to increase odds of lung cancer, Houston 4th worst city) will bitch about catching a whiff of someone's ciggy-butt and will praise this as a life-saving measure. :lol:

[Kaneman]

They could at least not flat out lie about how "deadly" secondhand smoke is. 50,000 deaths a year? Get the fuck out of here.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Wouldn't it be nice if this were just a simple rights issue and not a hotbed of side arguments?

[tommymac]

Wouldn't it be nice if this were just a simple rights issue and not a hotbed of side arguments?

but how else would we pass the day :lol:

[Homeslice]

(ozone is known to increase odds of lung cancer, Houston 4th worst city) :lol:

:zowned:

[Particle Man]

but how else would we pass the day :lol:

We'd pick on people.


Oh wait, we already do that :lol:

[tommymac]

We'd pick on people.


Oh wait, we already do that :lol:

God forbid I actualy do some work, while at work :lol:

[pickle.of.doom]

They just need a scApegoat for the daMage their chemtrails are doing and smokers are an easy target

[Particle Man]

God forbid I actualy do some work, while at work :lol:

Whoa there, tiger. That's crazy talk right there.

[marko138]

Whoa there, tiger. That's crazy talk right there.
Right?

[Particle Man]

Srsly

[tommymac]

Whoa there, tiger. That's crazy talk right there.

Sorry I got a little out of control there, I am better now ;lol:

[marko138]

Sorry I got a little out of control there, I am better now ;lol:
Fall back in line, son.

[Particle Man]

In tv shows, he'd have gotten a slap

[tommymac]

Fall back in line, son.

were good now, going to take a nap after all this tornado stuff :)

[Particle Man]

were good now, going to take a nap after all this tornado stuff :)

Bet you have Adobe Flash Player and can watch it...

:rant:

[tommymac]

Bet you have Adobe Flash Player and can watch it...

:rant:

Why yes, yes I do :lol:

[marko138]

Why yes, yes I do :lol:
Me too. Weird.

[tommymac]

Me too. Weird.

very strange indeed

[tallywacker]

why don't they just quit making cigarettes? it would solve all this bullshit.. everyone knows they do no good..

Ever hear of freedom?

[Particle Man]

Ever hear of freedom?

Isn't that the name of some bird...?

[tallywacker]

Isn't that the name of some bird...?

Yeah a now flightless bird because of governments regulations

[tommymac]

Yeah a now flightless bird because of governments regulations

like an emu :lol:

[Particle Man]

like an emu :lol:

I was thinking of a chicken. Unless we're talking about some elected officials - then they're cocks (suckers)

[tommymac]

I was thinking of a chicken. Unless we're talking about some elected officials - then they're cocks (suckers)

its not often you can work an emu into a conversation so let me go with that :lol:

[Particle Man]

its not often you can work an emu into a conversation so let me go with that :lol:

Shoulda gone for kiwi at that rate :lol:

[tommymac]

Shoulda gone for kiwi at that rate :lol:

good point.

but back on topic, as a nonsmoker I am totally fine withthe law, I still ove the fact they banned it in bars and clubs.

[Mudpuppy]

Ever hear of freedom?

ever heard of profit and greed?

limited freedom is more like it. i can smoke cigarettes which have no value whatsoever but i can't smoke or eat weed which has a ton of value. pretty fucking stupid.

and fuck NYC anyways. i wouldn't take a shit there if i just ate at baxbys.

[tallywacker]

ever heard of profit and greed?

limited freedom is more like it. i can smoke cigarettes which have no value whatsoever but i can't smoke or eat weed which has a ton of value. pretty fucking stupid.

and fuck NYC anyways. i wouldn't take a shit there if i just ate at baxbys.

It's your choice to smoke

[Particle Man]

It's your choice to smoke

Not if you're lit on fire... Then it's pretty much just a given.

[EtyrnuSS]

I have an odd perspective on this. I'm an exsmoker...but it doesn't bother me to be around it either, no desire for them. Limiting outdoor smoking like this is just another grab at control over every aspect of your life. Even the ban on smoking in public establishments went too far in my opinion, I think it should have been left up to business owners. Some would choose to be nonsmoking, great, give them the right to forcibly eject someone that breaks their rules. But let the business owners make the choice. Then customers could choose whether or not they wanted to patronize that business.

This is why people who start whining about oh, its for "your" benefit piss me off. Fuck you, let me choose what is best for me. I'm an adult, I can accept the consequences of my actions and lifestyle. Oh, wait, I forgot, we aren't allowed to have consequences anymore...

[Adeptus_Minor]

Limiting outdoor smoking like this is just another grab at control over every aspect of your life. Even the ban on smoking in public establishments went too far in my opinion, I think it should have been left up to business owners. Some would choose to be nonsmoking, great, give them the right to forcibly eject someone that breaks their rules. But let the business owners make the choice. Then customers could choose whether or not they wanted to patronize that business.


Yeah, that would have been the American way... or, at least, the old American way.
Nowadays, They (tm) know that if you allow people to make a choice, they might make the "wrong" choice... so you just take that choice out of their hands. See... all better. :rolleyes:

[pauldun170]

Not if you're lit on fire... Then it's pretty much just a given.

:lol

[pauldun170]

We regulate toxic emissions from industry
We regulate toxic emissions from automobiles
NY decided to regulate toxic emissions from residents.
At least we can still fart in public. Farts don't cause cancer and disease.
Farts make people laugh.
Farts brings smiles

[Kerry_129]

Not so - farts help kill the planet bit by bit via global warming.
Damn cows.
Just sayin'

[101lifts2]

If the city would put a bunch of ash cans, people wouldn't drop the butts on the ground.

I'm against it....if it's outside.

[Flexin]

I'm for it. And the story I read was if you in a park or on the beach and someone is smoking. You can go tell a ranger if there is one near and they can write them up.

James

[Papa_Complex]

If the city would put a bunch of ash cans, people wouldn't drop the butts on the ground.

I'm against it....if it's outside.

In Toronto, we have a ban on smoking within 9 metres (30 feet) of the entrance to a public access building, or its air intakes. At the university we have butt cans about every 50 feet, in areas where smokers congregate. They look like the attached picture and stand about 3.5 feet tall.

There are cigarette butts tossed around all of the doorways, into the university, and there are butts tossed on the ground around the butt cans. Smokers tend not to care.

[Particle Man]

If the city would put a bunch of ash cans, people wouldn't drop the butts on the ground.

I'm against it....if it's outside.Bull. They're at the smokers area at all the buildings around here and people still toss 'em on the ground. The public are lazy fucks.

[Flexin]

Yeah I know at Costco they had some and the parking lot was still full of butts. It was cleaned up one day and there were hundreds in the same spot a couple of days later.

James

[EtyrnuSS]

Just playing devils advocate, but you ever think its because they are tired and don't give a fuck because they are treated like second class citizens?

Speaking from personal experience, its a hard fucking habit to break, and a lot of people don't have the mental strength to do it. I did it after 3 tries over 2 1/2 years of trying.

[Cutty72]

Just playing devils advocate, but you ever think its because they are tired and don't give a fuck because they are treated like second class citizens?

Speaking from personal experience, its a hard fucking habit to break, and a lot of people don't have the mental strength to do it. I did it after 3 tries over 2 1/2 years of trying.

So it's a hard habit to break, I get that. You want to smoke, that's fine. Don't throw your shit on the ground! No trash around, put that shit in your pocket. We make our joe's do that in the Army, works fine.

[EtyrnuSS]

So it's a hard habit to break, I get that. You want to smoke, that's fine. Don't throw your shit on the ground! No trash around, put that shit in your pocket. We make our joe's do that in the Army, works fine.

Did I say it was right? No. I'm just trying to put it in perspective. And before I quit, I had a bucket on my porch for my cig butts, so I didn't end up with them all over the place. Guess I'm just trying to give people both sides here.

Anyway, glad I quit a few years ago, and it wasn't even over all the "health" related bullshit everyone like to throw around, which is more related to genetics than anything. I quit because I got tired of wasting money on it. $3 a pack was my breaking point, said fuck it and finally quit after that.

[Papa_Complex]

Just playing devils advocate, but you ever think its because they are tired and don't give a fuck because they are treated like second class citizens?

Speaking from personal experience, its a hard fucking habit to break, and a lot of people don't have the mental strength to do it. I did it after 3 tries over 2 1/2 years of trying.

Not once because, in my 47 years of life, smokers have always done the same thing. They just have a different excuse now.

[EtyrnuSS]

Bah, fuck it, don't know whay I gave a shit anyway, since I'm an ex-smoker.

[Mudpuppy]

I have an odd perspective on this. I'm an exsmoker...but it doesn't bother me to be around it either, no desire for them. Limiting outdoor smoking like this is just another grab at control over every aspect of your life. Even the ban on smoking in public establishments went too far in my opinion, I think it should have been left up to business owners. Some would choose to be nonsmoking, great, give them the right to forcibly eject someone that breaks their rules. But let the business owners make the choice. Then customers could choose whether or not they wanted to patronize that business.

This is why people who start whining about oh, its for "your" benefit piss me off. Fuck you, let me choose what is best for me. I'm an adult, I can accept the consequences of my actions and lifestyle. Oh, wait, I forgot, we aren't allowed to have consequences anymore...

i 100% agree with you.. i don't think it's an odd perspective i think it's spot on.. just another power trip by the government stripping us one right at a time... oldest trick in the book - use propaganda to fuel a hidden agenda.. it's for your good, for your safety.. don't worry if your ass is bleeding, that is normal..

[Papa_Complex]

Here's one of the biggest issues, as I see it. This sort of thing ends up getting codified, because people just can't be fucking reasonable. I shouldn't have to ask someone, to stop blowing smoke in my direction while I'm eating dinner. They should be reasonable enough, to consider the ramifications of their actions.

Instead people get all up in arms about their 'rights', on both sides of the issue. Try being a reasonable fucking human being.

[EtyrnuSS]

Papa, you just hit the nail on the head. People no longer can think to be courteous, or display common sense, because that kind of thinking isn't allowed anymore. If they Gov't doesn't tell them to do it they can't.

[Particle Man]

Just playing devils advocate, but you ever think its because they are tired and don't give a fuck because they are treated like second class citizens?


Maybe they get treated like second class citizens because they throw their shit on the ground ;)

[Adeptus_Minor]

What needs to be banned and/or punishable by severe beating is tossing lit butts out the window. If smoking it in the car doesn't bother you, why the hell can't you snuff the goddamn thing in your ash tray, or a coke can, or wtf ever?
I don't like getting showered with sparks, and when it's as dry as it is down here right now, it's fucking careless and asinine... you're going to cause a roadside grass fire. :fu2:

Sorry, saw some asshole toss a lit butt on the way to work tonight and that shit never ceases to piss me off.
I'm all for smokers' rights, but that bothers me a lot more than 2nd hand smoke.

[Papa_Complex]

What needs to be banned and/or punishable by severe beating is tossing lit butts out the window. If smoking it in the car doesn't bother you, why the hell can't you snuff the goddamn thing in your ash tray, or a coke can, or wtf ever?

Because it screws with the resale value and makes the car smell like an ashtray, so they can't resell it as a 'smoke free vehicle' :skep:

[Adeptus_Minor]

Because it screws with the resale value and makes the car smell like an ashtray, so they can't resell it as a 'smoke free vehicle' :skep:

Oh yeah, I've heard the justifications... it just doesn't hold up to the sniff test. :lol:

[Mudpuppy]

smoke em if you got em

[Flexin]

Because it screws with the resale value and makes the car smell like an ashtray, so they can't resell it as a 'smoke free vehicle' :skep:

Yeah I got in an argument with my uncle. I was telling him how back smoking cars where when I had my detail shop. He said what I did in my highway tractor was to crack the window and all the smell goes out the window. Bullshit. I told him that all that does is throw ashes around the cab. I detailed many like that and that shit don't work.

Its just that smokers can't smell the smoke in the car. If you were in a smokers car to long detailing it, you had a hard time smelling to see if it was better because the smell was in your nose for the rest of the day.

That is nasty shit.

James

[Papa_Complex]

Yeah I got in an argument with my uncle. I was telling him how back smoking cars where when I had my detail shop. He said what I did in my highway tractor was to crack the window and all the smell goes out the window. Bullshit. I told him that all that does is throw ashes around the cab. I detailed many like that and that shit don't work.

Its just that smokers can't smell the smoke in the car. If you were in a smokers car to long detailing it, you had a hard time smelling to see if it was better because the smell was in your nose for the rest of the day.

That is nasty shit.

James

I loaned my mother my truck, after getting a promise that she wouldn't smoke in it. I told her that if she did smoke in it, then she could NEVER use it again. When I got it back I didn't even need to get into it, to know that she'd been smoking in it. There was cigarette ash on the back seat, from her thinking that she was so smart holding it out the window, so I didn't even need to smell it.

[Flexin]

I loaned my mother my truck, after getting a promise that she wouldn't smoke in it. I told her that if she did smoke in it, then she could NEVER use it again. When I got it back I didn't even need to get into it, to know that she'd been smoking in it. There was cigarette ash on the back seat, from her thinking that she was so smart holding it out the window, so I didn't even need to smell it.

Its sad how they think that will work.

James

[Papa_Complex]

Its sad how they think that will work.

James

Once, years back, a friend and I were driving up to another friend's cottage. He was a heavy smoker and, before leaving, I told him that I didn't care how long we took to get there; if he wanted to have a smoke, I would pull over.

Twenty miles north of Barrie, on highway 400, I heard a match get struck and saw him light a cigarette. I pulled over, reached across him to push the door open and said, "Get out."