Texas law will specifically target sportbikes

[L8 Braker]

Take note of the bolded text...

82(R) HB 2470 - Engrossed version - Bill Text (http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/82R/billtext/html/HB02470E.htm)

By: Phillips H.B. No. 2470

A BILL TO BE ENTITLED

AN ACT
relating to the regulation of sport bikes and certain other
motorcycles.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. This Act shall be known as Malorie's Law.
SECTION 2. Section 521.084, Transportation Code, is amended
to read as follows:
Sec. 521.084. CLASS M LICENSE. A Class M driver's license
authorizes the holder of the license to operate a motorcycle,
including a sport bike as defined by Section 541.201, or a moped.
SECTION 3. Section 541.201, Transportation Code, is amended
by adding Subdivision (18-a) to read as follows:
(18-a) "Sport bike" means a motorcycle:
(A) that is optimized for speed, acceleration,
braking, and maneuverability on paved roads;
(B) that has a lightweight frame;
(C) on which the operator leans forward over the
gas tank during operation; and
(D) that is not a touring, cruising, standard, or
dual-sport motorcycle.
SECTION 4. Subchapter I, Chapter 545, Transportation Code,
is amended by adding Section 545.4161 to read as follows:
Sec. 545.4161. OPERATION OF SPORT BIKE. (a) In addition to
the requirements and prohibitions under Section 545.416, an
operator may not carry another person on a sport bike unless the
sport bike is designed to carry more than one person and:
(1) the operator:
(A) is at least 18 years of age; and
(B) has had a Class M license for at least two
years; or
(2) the other person:
(A) is at least 18 years of age and holds a Class
M license; or
(B) is a motorcycle operator training and safety
course instructor certified under Chapter 662.
(b) An operator of a sport bike shall ensure that a
passenger on the sport bike complies with all department
regulations relating to motorcycle safety.
SECTION 5. The heading to Subchapter M, Chapter 547,
Transportation Code, is amended to read as follows:
SUBCHAPTER M. ADDITIONAL OR ALTERNATIVE EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR
MOTORCYCLES, [AND] MOTOR-DRIVEN CYCLES, AND SPORT BIKES
SECTION 6. Subchapter M, Chapter 547, Transportation Code,
is amended by adding Section 547.803 to read as follows:
Sec. 547.803. SAFETY EQUIPMENT. If a motorcycle, including
a sport bike, is designed to carry more than one person, the
motorcycle must be equipped with foot pegs and handholds for use by
a passenger on the motorcycle.
SECTION 7. Section 661.001(1), Transportation Code, is
amended to read as follows:
(1) "Motorcycle" means a motor vehicle designed to
propel itself with not more than three wheels in contact with the
ground, and having a saddle for the use of the rider. The term
includes a sport bike, as defined by Section 541.201. The term does
not include a tractor or a three-wheeled vehicle equipped with a cab
or occupant compartment, seat, and seat belt and designed to
contain the operator in the cab or occupant compartment.
SECTION 8. This Act takes effect September 1, 2011.

[derf]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEESSSSSSSSS! What will we ever do?


(Welcome to last weeks argument)

[Particle Man]

Derf nailed it :lol:

/thread

[tommymac]

dont ride a sportbike 2 up in texas and youre ok :lol:

[Rangerscott]

dont ride a sportbike 2 up in texas and youre ok :lol:

Nah. You can strap a BIG luggage on the back and stick yo hoe in it.

[tommymac]

Nah. You can strap a BIG luggage on the back and stick yo hoe in it.

that works too then.

[L8 Braker]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEESSSSSSSSS! What will we ever do?


(Welcome to last weeks argument)
Damn, I did a search and everything...Ah well, merrrrrgge...

[azoomm]

Nah... no merge. The bill is dead.

[derf]

Nah... no merge. The bill is dead.

ding dong the bill is dead? the wicked bill is dead?

[Particle Man]

ding dong the bill is dead? the wicked bill is dead?

Yeah that was in the other thread.

[L8 Braker]

Nah... no merge. The bill is dead.I checked the other thread and didn't see any definitive proof that it was dead...

I did find this, though...It's the entire history of the bill...Last entry is the 13th of this month...No entry saying the bill didn't pass...

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=82R&Bill=HB2470

[derf]

Someone should call texas and tell them that we have a repost thread that is threatening to take over the original thread if we dont answer the original post as to if the bill really made it through the legislature so we need to know right now or we will fill texas with some extra queers and steers.

[L8 Braker]

Someone should call texas and tell them that we have a repost thread that is threatening to take over the original thread if we dont answer the original post as to if the bill really made it through the legislature so we need to know right now or we will fill texas with some extra queers and steers.I'd like to thank you for your 3 very helpful posts in this thread :bitter:

I'll also be the first to apologize for not being as perfect at you...Bu the thing is, I thought this was a discussion board, and just because you spend every passing minute staying caught up, dosen't mean the rest of us have...

[Particle Man]

Someone should call texas and tell them that we have a repost thread that is threatening to take over the original thread if we dont answer the original post as to if the bill really made it through the legislature so we need to know right now or we will fill texas with some extra queers and steers.I have Texas on the phone - they say that two threads falls under their state policy of "everything is bigger".

Weird.

[azoomm]

I checked the other thread and didn't see any definitive proof that it was dead...

I did find this, though...It's the entire history of the bill...Last entry is the 13th of this month...No entry saying the bill didn't pass...

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=82R&Bill=HB2470

Sorry for not keeping you up to date. I was a little involved with this bill - ended up on the phone with Malorie's family in an effort to get them to get her name off the bill.

Today is the 26th.

Bills need to make it to the floor of the Senate by the 25th in order to make it through to be signed by the governor before the legistlature goes back to sleep. Not that it's impossible for it to pass, it is HIGHLY unlikely.

Thank you for watching out for Texas riders. But, this was on our radar... we acted and made it go to sleep in committee.

[OneSickPsycho]

Sorry for not keeping you up to date. I was a little involved with this bill - ended up on the phone with Malorie's family in an effort to get them to get her name off the bill.

Today is the 26th.

Bills need to make it to the floor of the Senate by the 25th in order to make it through to be signed by the governor before the legistlature goes back to sleep. Not that it's impossible for it to pass, it is HIGHLY unlikely.

Thank you for watching out for Texas riders. But, this was on our radar... we acted and made it go to sleep in committee.

How did that convo with the fam go?

[azoomm]

How did that convo with the fam go?

It hurt. Their hearts are understandibly broken.

This young man killed their daughter through his own inability to handle a motorcycle and he has not had so much as a ticket for his actions. THAT is a big part of the drafting of this bill.

We are now working with them to accomplish their goal in a more posetive manner.

[tommymac]

It hurt. Their hearts are understandibly broken.

This young man killed their daughter through his own inability to handle a motorcycle and he has not had so much as a ticket for his actions. THAT is a big part of the drafting of this bill.

We are now working with them to accomplish their goal in a more posetive manner.

Did it go into detail as to how she fell off, did he wack the throttle, did she do something wrong? I dont know if that was ever answered in the other articles.

[Kaneman]

This young man killed their daughter through his own inability to handle a motorcycle and he has not had so much as a ticket for his actions. THAT is a big part of the drafting of this bill.


Bullshit. (You know I mean that with tons of respect, of course) If you don't want to be killed on the back of a motorcycle then don't fucking get on there. Nearly ALL motorcycle wrecks are somehow the fault of the rider. Squeezed the front brake too hard, misread flow of traffic, target fixation, not defensive enough, not offensive enough, aren't Valentino Rossi, etc. etc. There is no line to be drawn here, taking a decreasing radius corner too hot and wiping out is no different than wiping out doing a wheelie.

She singlehandedly made the decision to sit on the back of a very, very fast motorcycle piloted by a man with questionable skills. Would she have flown with a pilot who hadn't been to flight school? She put herself there, she's responsible for her own death.

That does not lessen the tragedy. Death is a very harsh penalty to pay for a stupid decision.

[tommymac]

Bullshit. (You know I mean that with tons of respect, of course) If you don't want to be killed on the back of a motorcycle then don't fucking get on there. Nearly ALL motorcycle wrecks are somehow the fault of the rider. Squeezed the front brake too hard, misread flow of traffic, target fixation, not defensive enough, not offensive enough, aren't Valentino Rossi, etc. etc. There is no line to be drawn here, taking a decreasing radius corner too hot and wiping out is no different than wiping out doing a wheelie.

She singlehandedly made the decision to sit on the back of a very, very fast motorcycle piloted by a man with questionable skills. Would she have flown with a pilot who hadn't been to flight school? She put herself there, she's responsible for her own death.

That does not lessen the tragedy. Death is a very harsh penalty to pay for a stupid decision.

Its stupid decisions that take a lot of teens/adolescents out of the gene pool. I have seen a handful in the ER that had no clue about being a passenger and as an 18 yr old I am sure it was exciting to hop on the back of a sport bike.

I always looked at the passenger as my responsibility, make sure they heve decent gear and def adjust my riding accordingly for the extra weight.

[Kaneman]

Its stupid decisions that take a lot of teens/adolescents out of the gene pool. I have seen a handful in the ER that had no clue about being a passenger and as an 18 yr old I am sure it was exciting to hop on the back of a sport bike.

I always looked at the passenger as my responsibility, make sure they heve decent gear and def adjust my riding accordingly for the extra weight.

That's good, you absolutely should look at a passenger as your responsibility whether you're in a car or on a motorcycle. However, if you make a mistake you should not be held criminally liable for their death or injury unless you somehow forced them into your vehicle under threat.

I wrecked and totaled a bike with a passenger once, Moira knows, she was there. If anything would've happened to Rogue (my passenger) I would've been devastated. I would've felt responsible for the rest of my life...but I don't think I should've been fined or jailed for it.

[anthonyk]

Bullshit. (You know I mean that with tons of respect, of course) If you don't want to be killed on the back of a motorcycle then don't fucking get on there. Nearly ALL motorcycle wrecks are somehow the fault of the rider. Squeezed the front brake too hard, misread flow of traffic, target fixation, not defensive enough, not offensive enough, aren't Valentino Rossi, etc. etc. There is no line to be drawn here, taking a decreasing radius corner too hot and wiping out is no different than wiping out doing a wheelie.

She singlehandedly made the decision to sit on the back of a very, very fast motorcycle piloted by a man with questionable skills. Would she have flown with a pilot who hadn't been to flight school? She put herself there, she's responsible for her own death.

That does not lessen the tragedy. Death is a very harsh penalty to pay for a stupid decision.

:td: I don't know the circumstances around the crash, but as long as a passenger is on my bike, I have the primary responsibility for their safety. I'm not saying the operator should be prosecuted if anything happens to their passenger, but if the operator is blatantly negligent and stupid, they should pay the price.

Maybe that's what happened here, maybe not. But just dropping all the responsibility on the passenger in all situations is misguided, in my opinion.

[Trip]

You have a responsibility to a passenger. Really depends on the situation if it should be criminal or not. If you purposely throw someone off, that I could see as murder. Someone slipping off the back during a wheelie or similar would be more a job for the civil courts.

Passengers also have a responsibility to make sure they trust the person's ability to operate the vehicle they are about to get on/in.

[Dave]

Bullshit. (You know I mean that with tons of respect, of course) If you don't want to be killed on the back of a motorcycle then don't fucking get on there. Nearly ALL motorcycle wrecks are somehow the fault of the rider. Squeezed the front brake too hard, misread flow of traffic, target fixation, not defensive enough, not offensive enough, aren't Valentino Rossi, etc. etc. There is no line to be drawn here, taking a decreasing radius corner too hot and wiping out is no different than wiping out doing a wheelie.

She singlehandedly made the decision to sit on the back of a very, very fast motorcycle piloted by a man with questionable skills. Would she have flown with a pilot who hadn't been to flight school? She put herself there, she's responsible for her own death.

That does not lessen the tragedy. Death is a very harsh penalty to pay for a stupid decision.

I refuse to believe she didn't carry some fault in this. Can't tell you how many times I've been stuck sitting at a green light because someone thought that would be a good time to fuck with their gloves or ipod. The only law we need is one banning grieving crusader parent fucktards

[azoomm]

She paid for her part in the accident. She paid with her own death when a sign broke her neck. He had four months on a motorcycle. It was a single vehicle accident, excessive speed. From the details of the accident it seems as though it was too hot into a corner with a low-side and tumble.

I never said she was innocent. She made a bad choice. But, and this is a HUGE but... HE had a responsibility to his passenger.

She paid with her life. I am certainly not, no way NO HOW, am I going to be that crass to any grieving parent. It's part of how this bill got as far as it did - people being horrible to this dead girl and grieving family.

There are some of us that are working with them to make this a more positive action to put their daughter's name to. If they want a legacy, we'll help them with educational programs. I don't believe this bill ever had a chance of making the impact another avenue could...

[Trip]

So it was an accident, not a stupid wheelie. WTF would handholds on a sportbike have done if she had them. She was getting tossed no matter if it was a sportbike or a cruiser.

[Kaneman]

:td: I'm not saying the operator should be prosecuted if anything happens to their passenger, but if the operator is blatantly negligent and stupid, they should pay the price.


Who's going to decide the definition of "blatantly negligent and stupid." Millions of Americans already think riding a sportbike is blatantly negligent and stupid in the first place....

[Kaneman]

She paid for her part in the accident. She paid with her own death when a sign broke her neck. He had four months on a motorcycle. It was a single vehicle accident, excessive speed. From the details of the accident it seems as though it was too hot into a corner with a low-side and tumble.

I never said she was innocent. She made a bad choice. But, and this is a HUGE but... HE had a responsibility to his passenger.

She paid with her life. I am certainly not, no way NO HOW, am I going to be that crass to any grieving parent. It's part of how this bill got as far as it did - people being horrible to this dead girl and grieving family.

There are some of us that are working with them to make this a more positive action to put their daughter's name to. If they want a legacy, we'll help them with educational programs. I don't believe this bill ever had a chance of making the impact another avenue could...

People are going to be horrible and crass to you when you try to take away their rights. I lost someone (little brother) to a violent crash, but I didn't go rallying around trying to take away people's rights afterward. This is a by product of people who can't deal with death and can't handle their emotions. Something good does not come out of it every time someone dies needlessly...in fact, that's why they call it dying needlessly.

This is no different than the Brady Bill or hundreds of others in which a sob story is used to push shitty laws on the American (or Texican in this case) public. Losing a daughter doesn't make a person automatically worthy of my respect so I can understand people being a dick to them when they infringe on people's rights, I don't really give a fuck who you lost. Not me personally, but I can certainly understand why people would act that way toward the parents.

In the end we're all pretty much in agreement here anyway, I just don't like the notion that this girl is not responsible for her own death. But then, we already had this argument about Hulk Hogan's kid I think...

[anthonyk]

Who's going to decide the definition of "blatantly negligent and stupid." Millions of Americans already think riding a sportbike is blatantly negligent and stupid in the first place....

The courts, as always. Like it or not, that's what we've got to decide those things.

If some kid is out joyriding with a girl he just picked up, decides to be stupid and runs from the cops (without his passenger's consent), and she dies in the ensuing chase, is she still 100% responsible?

[azoomm]

The family didn't write this poorly written bill, Representative Phillips did.

And, last time I check no one has the RIGHT to ride or drive anything.

[Particle Man]

The courts, as always. Like it or not, that's what we've got to decide those things.

If some kid is out joyriding with a girl he just picked up, decides to be stupid and runs from the cops (without his passenger's consent), and she dies in the ensuing chase, is she still 100% responsible?
That's when she reaches around and squeezes the dude's nuts until he either stops or they pop.

[anthonyk]

That's when she reaches around and squeezes the dude's nuts until he either stops or they pop.

Didn't realize you'd had experience. Novel approach you took there. :lol

[Particle Man]

Didn't realize you'd had experience. Novel approach you took there. :lol
I teach self defense to women - there's always a weak spot :lol:

[Mikey]

People are going to be horrible and crass to you when you try to take away their rights. I lost someone (little brother) to a violent crash, but I didn't go rallying around trying to take away people's rights afterward. This is a by product of people who can't deal with death and can't handle their emotions. Something good does not come out of it every time someone dies needlessly...in fact, that's why they call it dying needlessly.

This is no different than the Brady Bill or hundreds of others in which a sob story is used to push shitty laws on the American (or Texican in this case) public. Losing a daughter doesn't make a person automatically worthy of my respect so I can understand people being a dick to them when they infringe on people's rights, I don't really give a fuck who you lost. Not me personally, but I can certainly understand why people would act that way toward the parents.

In the end we're all pretty much in agreement here anyway, I just don't like the notion that this girl is not responsible for her own death. But then, we already had this argument about Hulk Hogan's kid I think...

The family didn't write this poorly written bill, Representative Phillips did.

And, last time I check no one has the RIGHT to ride or drive anything.

Kaneman, very well said.

Moira, I realize the family did not write the bill. What they did was allow their dead loved one's name to be attached to it, then stood behind it and campaigned for it. At that point, they were trying to take away rights from others- rights which were not theirs to take. For that, fuck their feelings.

It's like dealing with a wounded animal. I'll try to help in any way I can, but when that animal lashes out and tries to attack me, I'll happily shoot it in the head.

[Papa_Complex]

Azoomm, what's the story behind the crash, itself? Did it ever come out? All that I've been able to find, is that the rider initially said that he was cut off by a truck.

Unfortunately it sounds like a typical case of "governance by sound bite"; politicians latching onto a sad situation, in an effort to promote themselves.

To those saying that she bore some responsibility; that depends on the situation. If the rider was breaking the law, at the time that the incident occurred, then he bears the responsibility as only he can control the twisty thing on the bars. That doesn't mean that a new law needs to be passed, but we have to take responsibility for the results of our actions. I presume that negligent operation of a vehicle, causing death, is a law already on the books in Texas.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100828/motorcycle-passenger-highway-death-100828/20100828?hub=TorontoNewHome

[azoomm]

Kaneman, very well said.

Moira, I realize the family did not write the bill. What they did was allow their dead loved one's name to be attached to it, then stood behind it and campaigned for it. At that point, they were trying to take away rights from others- rights which were not theirs to take. For that, fuck their feelings.

It's like dealing with a wounded animal. I'll try to help in any way I can, but when that animal lashes out and tries to attack me, I'll happily shoot it in the head.

No, you have to step back for one moment and not become as emotional as the family. No RIGHTS of yours were challenged. You don't have a RIGHT to ride a motorcycle, you don't have a RIGHT to drive a car. You don't even have the RIGHT to happiness - only the RIGHT to pursue it.

When dealing with crazy, it's best to let there only be one crazy in the room. Let them be crazy. There is no convincing crazy that they are crazy. The most difficult part of this was when we would have them calmed down and listening to us - someone would attack them again and they would fall back into crazy. If at least one side is reasonable, progress can be made.

I never said a law had to be written and put into place. I didn't agree with this bill. I didn't think this would solve any problem. Hell, there are laws already in place that this bill would try to duplicate. There were parts of this law that couldn't be enforced - there is NO WAY for an officer to tell how long ANYONE has had a license. How can you put a two year requirement on it when it can't be enforced?? Pffffffffffffft.

The accident reports: http://www.kxii.com/news/headlines/90366334.html

I believe when someone is engaged in illegal behavior THEY are responsible for those they have in their care. She trusted him, he was breaking the law when he lost control, that failure of control resulted in her death. He needed to then bear the responsibility of her death. For him to not have ANY ramifications isn't right. We don't need more laws on the books to take care of that...

[Dave]

I'd hit it

[Kaneman]

She trusted him

I read your whole post and strongly disagree with the notion that American citizens don't have the right to travel. Every mentally sound, physically able (and some who aren't) person who isn't tied up with the penal system has the right to Freedom of Movement. And since we are nation of roads and highways that includes the freedom to drive or ride. That's why pretty much anyone can get a Driver's License. The silly notion in people's minds that we don't have the RIGHT to drive or the RIGHT to ride is ludicrous and gives the powers that be more edge in taking away basic human rights.

I only quoted those three words however because they are the most relevant to this thread. She made a mistake, she paid with her life. He didn't intentionally try to kill her. No punishment aside form those that correlate with whatever traffic laws he may or may not have broken. Putting the young man in jail, on probation or giving him life-altering fines isn't going to bring her back and it isn't going to change his future actions one bit.

That's a very, very slippery slope and I don't think we should start down it even a little bit.

[Kaneman]

The courts, as always. Like it or not, that's what we've got to decide those things.

If some kid is out joyriding with a girl he just picked up, decides to be stupid and runs from the cops (without his passenger's consent), and she dies in the ensuing chase, is she still 100% responsible?

Yes. Don't ride with people who are going to run from the cops.

[azoomm]

I read your whole post and strongly disagree with the notion that American citizens don't have the right to travel. Every mentally sound, physically able (and some who aren't) person who isn't tied up with the penal system has the right to Freedom of Movement. And since we are nation of roads and highways that includes the freedom to drive or ride. That's why pretty much anyone can get a Driver's License. The silly notion in people's minds that we don't have the RIGHT to drive or the RIGHT to ride is ludicrous and gives the powers that be more edge in taking away basic human rights.

I only quoted those three words however because they are the most relevant to this thread. She made a mistake, she paid with her life. He didn't intentionally try to kill her. No punishment aside form those that correlate with whatever traffic laws he may or may not have broken. Putting the young man in jail, on probation or giving him life-altering fines isn't going to bring her back and it isn't going to change his future actions one bit.

That's a very, very slippery slope and I don't think we should start down it even a little bit.

I only disagree with your first paragraph. No one is entitled to drive or ride in, on or outside of anything. Freedom of movement - fucking walk.

And, he wasn't ticketed or held responsible for even the traffic laws he violated. Shouldn't THAT at least be addressed? Mommy and Daddy bought the bike - bought a new one - and no fines or tickets were issued.

I will not travel down the slippery slope - and, you now know me well enough that I won't. I'm not for undo lawsuits, I'm not for undo laws, I don't care for government involvement and intervention. However, I will not sit by and allow someone else to be that voice. If I can be the one to walk calmly into the room and let others see that it does or does not make sense - I'll happily be that person.

[OneSickPsycho]

I'd hit it

And now that she's incapable of running way from you, you probably could.

[Kaneman]

I only disagree with your first paragraph. No one is entitled to drive or ride in, on or outside of anything. Freedom of movement - fucking walk.

And, he wasn't ticketed or held responsible for even the traffic laws he violated. Shouldn't THAT at least be addressed? Mommy and Daddy bought the bike - bought a new one - and no fines or tickets were issued.

I will not travel down the slippery slope - and, you now know me well enough that I won't. I'm not for undo lawsuits, I'm not for undo laws, I don't care for government involvement and intervention. However, I will not sit by and allow someone else to be that voice. If I can be the one to walk calmly into the room and let others see that it does or does not make sense - I'll happily be that person.

Walking is no longer a feasible way of travel in America, it just doesn't work that way. I understand what you're saying, but that isn't realistic at all. You can not support yourself by walking. Freedom of movement should apply to how the majority of society gets around, and that is in an automobile.

Should it be addressed? Why, so the city/county can collect some fines and use them to buy more redlight cameras? I don't see what good that does at all. I'm not opposed to him having been ticketed at the time for the laws he broke, but neither am I outraged or even bothered that he didn't get ticketed.

If you killed someone on your bike would getting a speeding ticket be at all relevant to you? Would you be like, "Well, its a shame that Joe died, but Goddamn this speeding ticket makes me never want to speed again!!"? I'm pretty sure killing someone is all the punishment anyone needs in that situation, assuming the have a conscience. And if they don't a speeding ticket won't give them one.

[shmike]

Why is walking less feasible today than 100 years ago?

Has the country gotten bigger?

[Dave]

And now that she's incapable of running way from you, you probably could.

:lol

[Kaneman]

Why is walking less feasible today than 100 years ago?

Has the country gotten bigger?

100 years ago you had the option to travel via horseback, no longer something we can do. However, a massive percentage of the land mass is covered in roads and fenced in private lands, which makes serious travel by foot very difficult. The most obvious way is to use the roads and highways that you ALREADY PAID FOR via tax dollars.

How can you force people to pay taxes under threat of death that go to the construction of roads that are meant for use under the Freedom of Movement and then say that using them isn't a right?

Driving/Riding is the right of all physically able, mentally sound Americans that CAN be taken away for bad behaviors, just as your right to life can be taken away if you murder someone.

And yes, the country has grown in size since 1911. Dick.

[shmike]

And yes, the country has grown in size since 1911. Dick.

Touché. :lol:

It is quite easy to walk along the side of any road that your tax dollars paid for.

I'm sorry to hear that horseback riding was outlawed in Texas. I didn't know. :(

[Adeptus_Minor]

She paid with her life. I am certainly not, no way NO HOW, am I going to be that crass to any grieving parent. It's part of how this bill got as far as it did - people being horrible to this dead girl and grieving family.

There are some of us that are working with them to make this a more positive action to put their daughter's name to. If they want a legacy, we'll help them with educational programs. I don't believe this bill ever had a chance of making the impact another avenue could...



When dealing with crazy, it's best to let there only be one crazy in the room. Let them be crazy. There is no convincing crazy that they are crazy. The most difficult part of this was when we would have them calmed down and listening to us - someone would attack them again and they would fall back into crazy. If at least one side is reasonable, progress can be made.



See, I totally agree with this.
Just because the girl made a bad call climbing on that bike with a fucktard doesn't mean her family doesn't deserve some compassion.
The politician who drafted the bill and wanted to use Malorie's name & story to promote it likely sold it to the family as a measure to protect others from suffering her fate. In their grief, they bought into it.
Now, what if...rather than lambasting the family for their choice...someone with some compassion and understanding took the time to sit down with them and say "This isn't going to accomplish what you want it to" and offered them a more reasonable and effective avenue for their efforts...how is that a bad way to handle things?

[azoomm]

See, I totally agree with this.
Just because the girl made a bad call climbing on that bike with a fucktard doesn't mean her family doesn't deserve some compassion.
The politician who drafted the bill and wanted to use Malorie's name & story to promote it likely sold it to the family as a measure to protect others from suffering her fate. In their grief, they bought into it.
Now, what if...rather than lambasting the family for their choice...someone with some compassion and understanding took the time to sit down with them and say "This isn't going to accomplish what you want it to" and offered them a more reasonable and effective avenue for their efforts...how is that a bad way to handle things?
I'm trying, Greg. I'm trying. Every time I had a productive conversation with them, someone would send them messages about how they were assholes or, better yet, how their daughter was a whore. Seriously.

Since when is it illegal to ride a horse?

[Kaneman]

Touché. :lol:

It is quite easy to walk along the side of any road that your tax dollars paid for.

I'm sorry to hear that horseback riding was outlawed in Texas. I didn't know. :(

Its also extremely dangerous. In fact, its how my little brother was killed.

I'm trying, Greg. I'm trying. Every time I had a productive conversation with them, someone would send them messages about how they were assholes or, better yet, how their daughter was a whore. Seriously.

Since when is it illegal to ride a horse?

The first one of you smart asses that can ride from your house to my house via horseback without being stopped is going to get $200 cash, a steak dinner and a private strip show from a very hot dancer.

Seriously, are you really going to make me detail why travel via horseback is not only unfeasible but also relatively impossible?

And they are assholes, why are we surprised they're being treated as such? I read their Facebook page, they (the family) are very much pushing for the passage of these bullshit laws. I don't see anything from the family holding Malorie responsible for her poor decision making. Malorie was innocent, she was perfect, she was an angel....nothing accepting the fact that she alone made the decision to get on that motorcycle, or that she could've actually caused the wreck herself. Malorie's family put her name behind a bullshit law with discrimination written all over it under the guise of "education" without ever really trying to educate themselves.

I'm not trying to shit on them, losing a daughter is horrible, don't want to take away from that.

[OneSickPsycho]

I know plenty of people without cars who get around just fine. Bicycles, public transportation, by foot, bumming rides... nobody NEEDS a car... however, life is exponentially easier with a car than without.

And paying for public roadways benefits people who would never own a car... from emergency services to the food in the grocery store... the roadways provide all of that shit.

[Dave]

I know plenty of people without cars who get around just fine. Bicycles, public transportation, by foot, bumming rides... nobody NEEDS a car... however, life is exponentially easier with a car than without.

And paying for public roadways benefits people who would never own a car... from emergency services to the food in the grocery store... the roadways provide all of that shit.

Those bicycle fucktards deserve to get hit.

[OneSickPsycho]

Those bicycle fucktards deserve to get hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6zj5nhASk0

[Cass]

Those bicycle fucktards deserve to get hit.

Austin has huge shoulders alongside the roads so that cyclists can be out of the way. There is still a huge danger at on/off ramps. Yes, some of the roadies are assholes... but their visibility is no less important than yours when you are riding your motorcycle.

[Dave]

Austin has huge shoulders alongside the roads so that cyclists can be out of the way. There is still a huge danger at on/off ramps. Yes, some of the roadies are assholes... but their visibility is no less important than yours when you are riding your motorcycle.

I don't ride the wrong way down one way streets. I don't roll through stops and reds at full speed without looking. I stay out of blindspots and I don't wobble all over the place blocking traffic at 8 miles and hour while crying about how people need to "share the road"

Everytime one of these morons gets flattened they sue the driver (its never their fault) and then protest for more concessions. They already got full lanes on pine and spruce and they can't even stay on those

My visibility is unnecessary. My bikes like Tommy: you're gonna hear me, feel me :lol

[Rangerscott]

You're suppose to go the opposite way of traffic when on foot or on bicycle. It's so you can see the traffic coming.


My problem is walkers. There will be side walks and parks with grass and these idiots walk on the street. When I say street I don't mean close to the curb, I mean a 1/3rd of the way in.

[Tmall]

You walk against traffic and bike with it.

[Dave]

You're suppose to go the opposite way of traffic when on foot or on bicycle. It's so you can see the traffic coming.


My problem is walkers. There will be side walks and parks with grass and these idiots walk on the street. When I say street I don't mean close to the curb, I mean a 1/3rd of the way in.

not on a one way street

You walk against traffic and bike with it.

zactly

[RACER X]

HB2470, the sport bike bill has died in committee and run out of time for this legislative session.

[azoomm]

HB2470, the sport bike bill has died in committee and run out of time for this legislative session.

Ed, we've already covered that...

[derf]

Ed, we've already covered that...

Then how do I know what a sport bike is?

[Particle Man]

You're suppose to go the opposite way of traffic when on foot or on bicycle. It's so you can see the traffic coming.

Maybe on Mars - bicycles are required to follow the same laws as automobiles on public roads which includes moving in the same direction.