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LeeNetworX
06-03-2011, 07:27 AM
Pretty slick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I
EpyonXero
06-03-2011, 07:44 AM
Looks like Windows 7 with a new tablet friendly interface on top. The touch screen stuff looks pretty good until you switch to a normal Windows app, that Word screen they showed looks impossible to use with a tablet.
LeeNetworX
06-03-2011, 07:52 AM
The touch screen stuff looks pretty good until you switch to a normal Windows app, that Word screen they showed looks impossible to use with a tablet.

This is nothing new. There's plenty of apps out there (Win and Mac) that suck ass with a virtual KB. We're in a transition of computing with touch and it's going to take time for lots of popular apps to be refactored and the UI modified.
Particle Man
06-03-2011, 08:08 AM
Funny how everything is following phone interfaces...
LeeNetworX
06-03-2011, 08:20 AM
Funny how everything is following phone interfaces...

Mobile computing is driving/going to drive much change in IT.
Papa_Complex
06-03-2011, 08:29 AM
Good to know that my job is safe, for the next few years, disabling useless on-screen UI crap for a business environment.
LeeNetworX
06-03-2011, 08:33 AM
Good to know that my job is safe, for the next few years, disabling useless on-screen UI crap for a business environment.

I suspect they will have a setting option in Control Panel to disable the Tiles UI.
pauldun170
06-03-2011, 09:36 AM
There is one thing I'm looking forward to when it comes to windows 8.
http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8-system-reset-feature-screenshot-leaks/

As for the rest of it...I don't really care much. As long as its quick on the hardware I have it on and that administrative tools are comprehensive and not buried in too many wizards.
Papa_Complex
06-03-2011, 10:12 AM
There is one thing I'm looking forward to when it comes to windows 8.
http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8-system-reset-feature-screenshot-leaks/

As for the rest of it...I don't really care much. As long as its quick on the hardware I have it on and that administrative tools are comprehensive and not buried in too many wizards.

Yes, it should do an even better job of restoring viruses and spyware than the current Windows Restore does, thereby further guaranteeing my future employment.
Rangerscott
06-03-2011, 10:14 AM
Theres talk about win8 letting you play 360 games.
EpyonXero
06-03-2011, 10:28 AM
This is nothing new. There's plenty of apps out there (Win and Mac) that suck ass with a virtual KB. We're in a transition of computing with touch and it's going to take time for lots of popular apps to be refactored and the UI modified.

Which is why Apple and Google have touchscreen specific OS's and desktop OS's. Putting both together usually ends up making nobody happy.
LeeNetworX
06-03-2011, 11:27 AM
Putting both together usually ends up making nobody happy.

PCs < > tablets and smartphones

We're talking about PCs moving to touch based interfaces here.
Particle Man
06-03-2011, 12:07 PM
I suspect they will have a setting option in Control Panel to disable the Tiles UI.

The real fun will be adapting all the legacy shit so many large companies refuse to abandon.
Corey
06-03-2011, 12:15 PM
I like the Windows Phone 7 UI, so I'm digging the Windows 8 UI. It may steer me towards a Windows Phone when it comes time to contract renewal is there's solid integration.
EpyonXero
06-03-2011, 12:48 PM
PCs < > tablets and smartphones

We're talking about PCs moving to touch based interfaces here.

A tablet is a PC with a touch interface. Whether you mount it on a desk with a cradle and keyboard or carry it in your hands makes no difference.
anthonyk
06-03-2011, 01:01 PM
A tablet is a PC with a touch interface. Whether you mount it on a desk with a cradle and keyboard or carry it in your hands makes no difference.

Show me a tablet with a 30" screen and the processing horsepower of a desktop unit. :lol:

I'm all for PCs moving to incorporate touch interfaces. I've had to stop myself more than once from trying to scroll on my display at work.
LeeNetworX
06-03-2011, 01:42 PM
A tablet is a PC with a touch interface. Whether you mount it on a desk with a cradle and keyboard or carry it in your hands makes no difference.

So does your home PC have a 4" or 10" screen?
EpyonXero
06-03-2011, 02:52 PM
So does your home PC have a 4" or 10" screen?

The beauty of tablets and newer smart phones is that if I want a bigger screen I can connect it with HDMI and still have the smaller, more useable tablet to control it. Other than in specialized applications, I think a large desktop touchscreen would be cumbersome.
Papa_Complex
06-03-2011, 03:05 PM
The beauty of tablets and newer smart phones is that if I want a bigger screen I can connect it with HDMI and still have the smaller, more useable tablet to control it. Other than in specialized applications, I think a large desktop touchscreen would be cumbersome.

Sometimes large touchscreens are preferable, as when use by a group is necessary:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/news/4217348

Most times though, touchscreens are just crap and an excuse to buy more glass cleaner.
tallywacker
06-03-2011, 04:13 PM
I have no use for tablets
Papa_Complex
06-03-2011, 06:11 PM
I have no use for tablets

They're pretty good at levelling tables, but you might need a couple of them.
Apoc
06-03-2011, 07:05 PM
I suspect they will have a setting option in Control Panel to disable the Tiles UI.

Or a separate 'Windows 8 Business' SKU.
Apoc
06-03-2011, 07:07 PM
I have no use for tablets


I think some of them are pretty cool for lounging around surfing the web. That said, i've got no interest in one, but I can see the usefullness for somebody who only uses a comp for web surfing, like my mom.
Flexin
06-03-2011, 07:43 PM
Sometimes large touchscreens are preferable, as when use by a group is necessary:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/news/4217348

Most times though, touchscreens are just crap and an excuse to buy more glass cleaner.

I have seen that before and I really like it.

James
Flexin
06-03-2011, 07:48 PM
I have no use for tablets

I didn't think I did and I don't in a way. I can think of more then a few ways they would piss me off. But I wouldn't mind having one at different times. It would be nice to have as a 4th unit behind my desktop, laptop and cell.

Plus with the age of my kids there is really 4 of us that could want to use a computer at any given time so it would be a nice extra.

One mounted to an arm for use in the bathroom would be nice.

I would love to win a Playbook. I would buy new computers right now over a tablet but if I won one I don't think I would sell it.

James
LeeNetworX
10-11-2011, 02:45 PM
Good to know that my job is safe, for the next few years, disabling useless on-screen UI crap for a business environment.

HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Exp lorer

Change RPEnabled from 0 to 1

Now you know and can make teh cash monies.
Papa_Complex
10-11-2011, 02:53 PM
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Exp lorer

Change RPEnabled from 0 to 1

Now you know and can make teh cash monies.

So much for job security. Don't you know that you aren't supposed to give this stuff away? If users knew how easy the shit we do really is, there won't be any more jobs for desktop support!
LeeNetworX
10-11-2011, 03:07 PM
So much for job security. Don't you know that you aren't supposed to give this stuff away? If users knew how easy the shit we do really is, there won't be any more jobs for desktop support!


I'm not interested in desktop support jobs. :lol
Papa_Complex
10-11-2011, 03:11 PM
I'm not interested in desktop support jobs. :lol

Well bugger you then. We'll all move into network/server support.
Corey
10-11-2011, 03:15 PM
That might be an issue if all the businesses around here didn't cling tenaciously to Windows NT still. Now, if you'll excuse me, but IE6 is being really slow to render anything today.
Papa_Complex
10-11-2011, 03:20 PM
NT?!! Bloody hell. Nothing quite like a 4GB boot partition, is there?
Homeslice
10-11-2011, 03:27 PM
That might be an issue if all the businesses around here didn't cling tenaciously to Windows NT still. Now, if you'll excuse me, but IE6 is being really slow to render anything today.

Who is still using NT? Do you mean XP?
Corey
10-11-2011, 03:28 PM
NT?!! Bloody hell. Nothing quite like a 4GB boot partition, is there?

I worked for a large hospital chain that have a large group of hospitals under their umbrella and tons of computers. Every computer is running NT. Their main use software is written in MAGIC and would look only slightly dated on an 8086. They may be worrying about upgrading to Windows 8, but probably not until 2030. :lol:
tallywacker
10-12-2011, 12:22 AM
I didn't think I did and I don't in a way. I can think of more then a few ways they would piss me off. But I wouldn't mind having one at different times. It would be nice to have as a 4th unit behind my desktop, laptop and cell.

Plus with the age of my kids there is really 4 of us that could want to use a computer at any given time so it would be a nice extra.

One mounted to an arm for use in the bathroom would be nice.

I would love to win a Playbook. I would buy new computers right now over a tablet but if I won one I don't think I would sell it.

James

I have a netbook, I couldn't get by with tablet limitations and I hate a fake keyboard.
Particle Man
10-12-2011, 06:29 AM
Who is still using NT? Do you mean XP?

Nope - probably meant NT. There are a number of large businesses that remain on NT because of antiquated home-grown or custom designed software that they refuse to spend dollars on replacing "because it is still working."

Nevermind that it is a marked inefficiency that loses money in the long run; it's the short term return that makes the old POS continue to look viable.
OneSickPsycho
10-12-2011, 08:44 AM
Nope - probably meant NT. There are a number of large businesses that remain on NT because of antiquated home-grown or custom designed software that they refuse to spend dollars on replacing "because it is still working."

Nevermind that it is a marked inefficiency that loses money in the long run; it's the short term return that makes the old POS continue to look viable.

Not necessarily... It's been my experience that about half the time the company would be better off keeping the old shit, instead of investing money into new shit...
Papa_Complex
10-12-2011, 08:57 AM
... until the new shit is failing, all over the place, and you can't even buy replacement hardware.
OneSickPsycho
10-12-2011, 09:17 AM
... until the new shit is failing, all over the place, and you can't even buy replacement hardware.

http://www.popsci.com/node/31716
Papa_Complex
10-12-2011, 10:14 AM
http://www.popsci.com/node/31716

You can't compare proprietary military grade flight computers to consumer hardware. If you care to, then just imagine what they could do with current hardware.
Particle Man
10-12-2011, 11:47 AM
Not necessarily... It's been my experience that about half the time the company would be better off keeping the old shit, instead of investing money into new shit...

From a tech standpoint, yes. However, from an Operational Efficiency perspective, I don't agree. Sure, the system will be stable and do what it was built to do and you're not spending money on repairs and downtime. However, if the old system is so inflexible and can't keep up with current process requirements, you're wasting the money with outside workarounds which lead to costly inefficiencies.
OneSickPsycho
10-12-2011, 11:55 AM
From a tech standpoint, yes. However, from an Operational Efficiency perspective, I don't agree. Sure, the system will be stable and do what it was built to do and you're not spending money on repairs and downtime. However, if the old system is so inflexible and can't keep up with current process requirements, you're wasting the money with outside workarounds which lead to costly inefficiencies.

That's when it works, but I've seen a number of systems get upgraded for no other reason other than new technology... The processes didn't change and there was no need to invest in something new...

I mean, I work in the newspaper industry... the processes have gone largely unchanged for 30 years or more... We are working on our third circulation management system in 5 years... the old one wasn't broken, but the newer one came with all these promises and turned out to not solve any problems and just became more headaches than it was worth... So we go to the next solution, costing more money, and I'm already hearing rumblings from the properties that have switched that there's additional problems with this...

If we would have just kept the 20 year old system, we would have saved a ton of money and maintained better efficiency...

All I am saying is that new technology isn't always the best solution... In fact, many times, it's the cause of more problems.
Papa_Complex
10-12-2011, 01:32 PM
Well at the very least they could go Virtual Machine, for the old software, so that it doesn't pull you down with other possible efficiencies.