Why dont people keep service records?

[Homeslice]

Been looking at used cars....And lots of these clowns claim they didn't keep records :skep:.....For example I had a couple people show me their tire receipts, which I guess they held onto so they could claim the road hazard warranty if needed. And that's the only frigging records they had. :skep: I'm like, how hard is it to keep the rest of the records, like oil changes and regular service? Do people just not understand that it affects your resale value? Do these people just throw those receipts away? I had one guy claim that his timing belt was done by someone "off-duty" and that's why he didn't have a receipt for it. Yeah right. :lol

And furthermore, why don't dealerships collect service records from people who give them a trade-in? Wouldn't those records be helpful to someone who wants to buy that car? Or do they really think that their so-called "inspection" is enough to satisfy a potential buyer? Yeah, like I'm really going to buy a turbocharged car if I don't know whether the owner changed the oil on schedule. What a load of shit. If I owned a dealership, I would penalize people if they wanted to trade in a car without service records.

[fujimoh]

I thought every time you took the car in for service, even at Jiffy Lube, they scanned the car in and created records. How does carfax get their records to report?

[Cutty72]

Honestly, because the majority of people don't care, or wouldn't know what the service records would mean anyway.

As for the carfax thing, only thing they track is accident damage.
Also, all recalls and warranty work is tracked by the VIN, if any shop does the work.

[Tmall]

Because it doesn't effect resale the way you're stating..

99% of the people I know wouldn't ask for service records. Of the 1% who would ask, 95% of those would probably overlook it if the car seemed to be in decent shape..

[Cutty72]

Because it doesn't effect resale the way you're stating..

99% of the people I know wouldn't ask for service records. Of the 1% who would ask, 95% of those would probably overlook it if the car seemed to be in decent shape..

I'd say the majority of the people that want service records do their own maintenance anyway... Thus, not able to provide a service record. Sure, you have the receipt for oil and a filter, but no proof of when (or even if) it was changed.

[derf]

I got a 10 year old book that details every nut bolt, oil change, fluid swap tire change etc... thats been done to every vehicle I've owned since 2000. no reciepts because for the longest time I did all my own services, I bought filters in bulk and changed them as needed. I do this for me no one else. Plus it dont mean anything when you are selling a car, people and dealerships look at the KBB value then lowball you off that. Dealerships dont care because they just want a car that has cold air conditioning, decent tires, and no damage, most dealerships will pass the car no matter what for inspection.

[Homeslice]

I thought every time you took the car in for service, even at Jiffy Lube, they scanned the car in and created records. How does carfax get their records to report?

From what I understand, some shops report to Carfax, others don't. I've seen Carfax reports where it lists every little thing that was done, like alignment, new headlight, whatever. But I was told that's only if the shop participates with Carfax.

[Homeslice]

Because it doesn't effect resale the way you're stating..

99% of the people I know wouldn't ask for service records. Of the 1% who would ask, 95% of those would probably overlook it if the car seemed to be in decent shape..

So what you're saying is, 99% of the people you know are dumb?

Or they just don't buy cars that are more than a couple years old? I can't imagine not asking for service records. It's a simple question.

[Rangerscott]

I don't keep records since I do everything my self. I receipts and pics (that is if I take any).

[Mr Lefty]

I don't keep service records because, I don't give a fuck about resale. I don't buy a vehicle or maintain it with resale in mind. then again I've only owned one truck newer than 99 and that was only mine for 6 months.

When buying a truck I don't give a fuck if they have a slip of paper saying they did such and such... I'm gonna see for myself. Yes, I cant' see that the oil was changed every 3k not 10k but that kind of lack of attention to detail shows elsewhere.

[Homeslice]

When buying a truck I don't give a fuck if they have a slip of paper saying they did such and such... I'm gonna see for myself. Yes, I cant' see that the oil was changed every 3k not 10k but that kind of lack of attention to detail shows elsewhere.

I disagree. I've known people who constantly detail their car inside & out, including the engine bay, yet fail to keep up on maintenance.

Plus you're not gonna know whether someone had their timing belt replaced unless you see a receipt.

[EpyonXero]

I don't keep service records because, I don't give a fuck about resale. I don't buy a vehicle or maintain it with resale in mind. then again I've only owned one truck newer than 99 and that was only mine for 6 months.

When buying a truck I don't give a fuck if they have a slip of paper saying they did such and such... I'm gonna see for myself. Yes, I cant' see that the oil was changed every 3k not 10k but that kind of lack of attention to detail shows elsewhere.

Same. Ive only sold one vehicle and that was a few months ago and they didnt care about service records either.

[anthonyk]

I disagree. I've known people who constantly detail their car inside & out, including the engine bay, yet fail to keep up on maintenance.

Plus you're not gonna know whether someone had their timing belt replaced unless you see a receipt.

I'm probably gonna change the timing belt anyway, if it's near (or past) the mileage where it should have been done.

For my own cars, I don't care about resale enough to bother writing down all the maintenance I do. I drive them into the ground anyway, so by the time I sell, there are enough cosmetic issues that it doesn't matter that it's in great mechanical condition.

[Homeslice]

I'm probably gonna change the timing belt anyway, if it's near (or past) the mileage where it should have been done.
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Even if he has a receipt showing it had already been done? :skep:

[Mr Lefty]

I disagree. I've known people who constantly detail their car inside & out, including the engine bay, yet fail to keep up on maintenance.

Plus you're not gonna know whether someone had their timing belt replaced unless you see a receipt.

but I doubt they grease the fittings and change the gear oil, yet forget the motor oil... :2cents:... I look a bit deeper than a detailing job will cover ;)

and no, I'm not going to know that... but if it's an issue that makes me wonder, I'll just do it myself. even if I had service receipts, that doesn't mean it was done right. I've had plenty of jobs done by reputable "mechanics" that failed later due to their oversights.

this is why I tend to stick to what I know. Toyota Pickups. I've assisted rebuilding 20+ motors, and know what is prone to fail and what isn't.

trusting in receipts is just as fool hearty as trusting in someones word IMO

[Mr Lefty]

Even if he has a receipt showing it had already been done? :skep:

I can draw you up a receipt saying it's been done just as easy... go buy one, keep the receipt, then return it and tell you I did the work.

[anthonyk]

Even if he has a receipt showing it had already been done? :skep:

Depends on the condition of everything else, and how detailed the receipt is. I've seen more than one timing belt service that didn't bother with the water pump or idler pulley(s), which means I'm gonna have to go back in there anyway.

[Rangerscott]

You can pretty much count on that the only oil in a vehicle that has been changed is the engine oil. I never hear someone say that they changed the P/S fluid, tranny fluid, transfer case oil, axle oil, etc. Hell I think people with manual trannys change their oil more often than people with autos. I know two things that detour them away. 1. The crazy price mechanics charge. 2. "Eh, you don't need to change it."

[Homeslice]

Again, I don't understand how hard it is to hold onto a piece of paper, even if you do the maintenance yourself.

[Homeslice]

Depends on the condition of everything else, and how detailed the receipt is. I've seen more than one timing belt service that didn't bother with the water pump or idler pulley(s), which means I'm gonna have to go back in there anyway.
So I guess you agree that seeing the receipt is valuable redflip

[goof2]

I don't keep anything because, as others have said, I'm driving it in to the ground anyway. My POS 4 banger manual truck I bought new just passed 100k miles and its just getting broken in. The only time anyone has done anything to it other than me was for tires at 70k. The utility of that truck is worth more to me than what someone will pay for it until the day it dies.

That being said, if I was in the habit of buying expensive vehicles and selling them every few years with low miles while they still had a lot of value I would probably keep "service" records (still me doing the service though). The only reason I would do it is for resale. As it is none of my vehicles will be worth jack at resale so a receipt for oil has more value to me for wiping off the dipstick than it ever will as cash in my pocket at resale.

[Rangerscott]

Again, I don't understand how hard it is to hold onto a piece of paper, even if you do the maintenance yourself.

It's not your vehicle so stop worrying cupcake.

[pauldun170]

I keep all receipts for shop work but i dont for the stuff i do

[dReWpY]

I got a 10 year old book that details every nut bolt, oil change, fluid swap tire change etc... thats been done to every vehicle I've owned since 2000. no reciepts because for the longest time I did all my own services, I bought filters in bulk and changed them as needed. I do this for me no one else. Plus it dont mean anything when you are selling a car, people and dealerships look at the KBB value then lowball you off that. Dealerships dont care because they just want a car that has cold air conditioning, decent tires, and no damage, most dealerships will pass the car no matter what for inspection.

but your jewish, its to be expected

[Gas Man]

I keep a log on each vehicle. On the bike it's over the top.

I take pics of each and every oil change. Pics of the oil coming out, the new oil jugs stacked up empty, the filter, the magnetic oil plugs, and anything else that seems out of place. I print those pics.

The folder has a tab for each oil change of each bike. In each tab is a sheet protector, with a service log I fill out as I go. Behind that facing the other direction are the pics, and the reciept for the oil is between.

This is the service log I made for each service.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Ultra%20Classic/Oil%20Change/HDServiceSheet.jpg

[Tmall]

I keep a log on each vehicle. On the bike it's over the top.

I take pics of each and every oil change. Pics of the oil coming out, the new oil jugs stacked up empty, the filter, the magnetic oil plugs, and anything else that seems out of place. I print those pics.

The folder has a tab for each oil change of each bike. In each tab is a sheet protector, with a service log I fill out as I go. Behind that facing the other direction are the pics, and the reciept for the oil is between.

This is the service log I made for each service.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Ultra%20Classic/Oil%20Change/HDServiceSheet.jpg


:lol

You either need counselling or meds...

[VatorMan]

I keep a log on each vehicle. On the bike it's over the top.

I take pics of each and every oil change. Pics of the oil coming out, the new oil jugs stacked up empty, the filter, the magnetic oil plugs, and anything else that seems out of place. I print those pics.

The folder has a tab for each oil change of each bike. In each tab is a sheet protector, with a service log I fill out as I go. Behind that facing the other direction are the pics, and the reciept for the oil is between.

This is the service log I made for each service.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Ultra%20Classic/Oil%20Change/HDServiceSheet.jpg


No newspaper with the date in oil change pic ? FAIL.

[Mr Lefty]

Again, I don't understand how hard it is to hold onto a piece of paper, even if you do the maintenance yourself.

and again, I don't understand how you can take someones word that the slip of paper you have is genuine. like I said before you can buy the part, get the receipt, make a photo copy of it, return it, and boom there's your evidence that I "did the work myself"

even if it's done at a dealership, they fuck up all the time. the fact is, you can never be 100% sure, so you need to educate yourself and look it over. if you don't know what to look for beyond what a detailing job will cover, take it to a trusted mechanic. they'll sort it out for you.

[Particle Man]

I don't keep service records because, I don't give a fuck about resale. I don't buy a vehicle or maintain it with resale in mind. then again I've only owned one truck newer than 99 and that was only mine for 6 months.

When buying a truck I don't give a fuck if they have a slip of paper saying they did such and such... I'm gonna see for myself. Yes, I cant' see that the oil was changed every 3k not 10k but that kind of lack of attention to detail shows elsewhere.

I keep big things like major repairs. Every oil change? Not really. Every vehicle I've owned has gotten at least 200,000 miles except one that only got 138,000 before I traded it in. I buy a new car like every 10-12 years now :lol:

[Mr Lefty]

I keep big things like major repairs. Every oil change? Not really. Every vehicle I've owned has gotten at least 200,000 miles except one that only got 138,000 before I traded it in. I buy a new car like every 10-12 years now :lol:

yeah I haven't purchase any that had under 100k... even my 08 and 99 (the two newest) had 150 or so. most of mine are over 200k... shit I had a 79 Pickup with 750k.. bought it with 600k... can't imagine what it'd look like if they'd kept service receipts LOL

[racedoll]

Again, I don't understand how hard it is to hold onto a piece of paper, even if you do the maintenance yourself.

It's not hard, people just don't take the time to do it. And most won't ask for it so why take the extra time.

I don't keep the receipts for oil changes. I do log the mileage, date, and who performed the work. Major stuff I keep the receipts, as well as log the information.

The probe I have most of the data. The bike and the legacy I have everything since I've owned them.

[Homeslice]

and again, I don't understand how you can take someones word that the slip of paper you have is genuine. like I said before you can buy the part, get the receipt, make a photo copy of it, return it, and boom there's your evidence that I "did the work myself"

While that may be true, you fail to answer my question. Why is it so difficult to hold onto a piece of paper? Let's say you bought a new clutch or set of shocks for your car. Why WOULDN'T you hold onto the receipt? Hell, it takes more effort to throw it away, than to keep it.

[Mr Lefty]

While that may be true, you fail to answer my question. Why is it so difficult to hold onto a piece of paper? Let's say you bought a new clutch or set of shocks for your car. Why WOULDN'T you hold onto the receipt? Hell, it takes more effort to throw it away, than to keep it.

actually it does take a bit of an effort to keep track of them, keep them organized, and in a safe place.

again, I don't do the maintenance on my vehicles because I plan on selling it. I do it because it needs to be done. I know in my mind that it's accomplished. I've never been asked for any service records on any vehicle I've sold, nor has it ever reduced my accepting price. :2cents:

[Homeslice]

It's not hard, people just don't take the time to do it. And most won't ask for it so why take the extra time.


Who are these "most people"

And what kind of vehicles are you selling to them?

If it's something only worth $2-3K, then I could see your point....The less it's worth, the less people would care about seeing proof that it was maintained.

But what about newer or more valuable stuff?

Let's say you owned a late model VW or Audi with the turbo 4, which has a history of problems if the oil changes weren't kept up.......And you put it up for sale today. Don't you think a potential buyer would be interested to know when and how often you changed the oil (if at all)? If I was the buyer, I would ask for proof. Just saying "oh yeah I changed it every 3K" isn't going to satisfy things. Everyone says that.

Or, even more importantly, how about if your car has a timing belt which requires changing at 80K miles. That is a pretty expensive service, and if you don't get it done, your engine could be damaged if it's an "interference design". So you get it done, drive another 5K, and then decide to sell the car. Wouldn't you want to show that you had that service done?

[Tmall]

In response to 'slice's thread..

['73 H1 Triple]

Major work that's done by my mechanic, I can get copies from him if neccessary ( for a pain in the ass buyer )

Oil gets changed every 3K on the '01 Jeep Cherokee ( regular oil ) and that has 155K on it. '01 Suburban gets the Mobil 1 changed every 5K and that just turn 140K on the home home from Canada on thursday.

Last vehicle I sold was my '90 Suburban back in '05. It had 183K on it and a local guy stopped to ask about. I told him about what was done, he test drove it and offered 2300 cash on my 2500 asking price. SOLD

I saw it two weeks ago and it still looks good.

[derf]

Who are these "most people"

And what kind of vehicles are you selling to them?

If it's something only worth $2-3K, then I could see your point....The less it's worth, the less people would care about seeing proof that it was maintained.

But what about newer or more valuable stuff?

Let's say you owned a late model VW or Audi with the turbo 4, which has a history of problems if the oil changes weren't kept up.......And you put it up for sale today. Don't you think a potential buyer would be interested to know when and how often you changed the oil (if at all)? If I was the buyer, I would ask for proof. Just saying "oh yeah I changed it every 3K" isn't going to satisfy things. Everyone says that.

Or, even more importantly, how about if your car has a timing belt which requires changing at 80K miles. That is a pretty expensive service, and if you don't get it done, your engine could be damaged if it's an "interference design". So you get it done, drive another 5K, and then decide to sell the car. Wouldn't you want to show that you had that service done?

The answer to your questions is no. the selling price wont change, and the only thing it might affect is the amount of time it takes to sell. Its like having aftermarket goodies on a bike, an aftermarket pipe doesnt increase the value just makes it sell quicker

[dReWpY]

Poll fail: no mandatory Tater's Whore of a Ex-wife option

[Flexin]

I don't for the most part. Some get tossed in the glove box till I get pissed about all the junk in the glove box and they get tossed.

Sometimes I wished I did when I think something was replaced a year ago and I figure out it was done 2-3 years ago.

If I'm thinking of resale when I'm buying it and it isn't for business I shouldn't be buying it anyway.

I never ask for records. If I don't know the shop then I don't know if I can trust the records. Everyone has a "friend".

My Tribute had a rear line go. It must have been repalced because it was put on wrong. I have a hard time believing it happened at the factory but anything is possible. So having a paper saying it was replaced would seem good unless you looked at it and seen what that it was on wrong. There is a tab that should be in a slot. If it isn't in there it will put the hose against suspension parts and start the wear process. So that paper doesn't mean much. I guess you could use that paper as a map of things to look over to see if they were done right.

Bottom line is I don't keep most of them and I never ask about them.

One last thing. In that thread he was talking about how dealers should demand the records or pay them less. I'm guessing he has never tried to trade anything in. Most don't offer much anyway because they need to make a profit (and they will try to get as much as possible) so there isn't much more they can take off and offer without risk of a fat lip.

James

[G-Rex]

If someone can't evaluate a used car for themselves by knowing what to look for and then doing it, then they need to stick to buying new cars for the rest of their life.

I do keep receipts, but that's for parts warranties and *when did I replace that*.

Besides, I've seen what kind of work most *mechanics* out there call service. No thanks. If you want documentation from mechanics/dealerships/etc. you won't get it from me. I don't take my cars or motorcycles to a mechanic unless I just flat out don't have time to do something, which is very rare.

If I do it, I know it's done right. 'Nuff said.

[derf]

Poll fail: no mandatory Tater's Whore of a Ex-wife option

correct



Yup, as I said in the other it doesn't matter at all if there are service records, everyone goes off the KBB value and lowballs you from there.

I would equate service records to aftermarket parts on a bike, its nice to have but I'm not paying more for it, it might help sell something a bit quicker, but not for more.

[Homeslice]

Not sure a poll is too meaningful, because you guys aren't the mainstream. Most of you are men, and do-it-yourselfers to boot. Not really the norm.

[Homeslice]

The answer to your questions is no. the selling price wont change, and the only thing it might affect is the amount of time it takes to sell. Its like having aftermarket goodies on a bike, an aftermarket pipe doesnt increase the value just makes it sell quicker

You THINK it doesn't change your selling price, but I'd wager that a person who can document what he's done comes across as more professional and can justify asking for more than the average person.

And you said it might take longer to sell.....So isn't that an inconvenience to you? IMO that's a bigger inconvenience than saving your receipts.

I mean some of you guys act like putting a piece of paper into a manilla folder in yoru drawer is so difficult. I just don't get it.

[Mr Lefty]

You THINK it doesn't change your selling price, but I'd wager that a person who can document what he's done comes across as more professional and can justify asking for more than the average person.

And you said it might take longer to sell.....So isn't that an inconvenience to you? IMO that's a bigger inconvenience than saving your receipts.

I mean some of you guys act like putting a piece of paper into a manilla folder in yoru drawer is so difficult. I just don't get it.

because we don't give a fuck. I've never been asked for them, so why keep them? I know I did the maintenance so what's the point of keeping it?

[Homeslice]

If someone can't evaluate a used car for themselves by knowing what to look for and then doing it, then they need to stick to buying new cars for the rest of their life.


You can tell whether someone replaced their timing belt or turbocharger or clutch, without taking a wrench to it?

[dReWpY]

thats the problem, we arent stating that this poll is a slice of america, we are just polling the members of this site, during this specific time period. what inferences you make are yours to assume

[Captain Morgan]

No. I generally drive my vehicles into the ground. By the time I'm done with it, I'd be lucky to get much above scrap value, so there's no point in service records.

[Homeslice]

Because you MIGHT one day get a buyer who DOES ask for them?

I mean most of you aren't that old (20's/30's).......So odds are, eventually you WILL get asked in the future. And if that guy happens to be willing to pay more......you missed out.

[Captain Morgan]

You THINK it doesn't change your selling price, but I'd wager that a person who can document what he's done comes across as more professional and can justify asking for more than the average person.

And you said it might take longer to sell.....So isn't that an inconvenience to you? IMO that's a bigger inconvenience than saving your receipts.

I mean some of you guys act like putting a piece of paper into a manilla folder in yoru drawer is so difficult. I just don't get it.

we don't all care enough to be anal retentive.

[Mr Lefty]

Because you MIGHT one day get a buyer who DOES ask for them?

I mean most of you aren't that old (20's/30's).......So odds are, eventually you WILL get asked in the future. And if that guy happens to be willing to pay more......you missed out.

and odds are... there will be 10 more behind them not asking for it and willing to pay 90%


then again when I sell, I don't try to get every little penny. I price it fairly, and accept the first deal I'm happy with.

[Mr Lefty]

You can tell whether someone replaced their timing belt or turbocharger or clutch, without taking a wrench to it?

see, I think part of the problem, is I assume that I'm going to need to replace things like that... clutch, belts, ect... so I leave room in my budget before I buy

[defector]

You can tell whether someone replaced their timing belt or turbocharger or clutch, without taking a wrench to it?

Typically, these are the only things people keep receipts for. Big ticket items, or stuff with a long term warranty.

[Captain Morgan]

Because you MIGHT one day get a buyer who DOES ask for them?

I mean most of you aren't that old (20's/30's).......So odds are, eventually you WILL get asked in the future. And if that guy happens to be willing to pay more......you missed out.

That's a whole lot of IF's and MAYBE's that frankly isn't worth the effort in the long run. I don't want a filing cabinet filled with crap I don't need. For as long as I keep my vehicles, that cabinet would be full. No thanks. There aren't enough people that care that much for me to keep all the records.

[dReWpY]

you cant use gasman as a judge of current trends, hell he doesnt keep reciepts he has an entire forum with dates, time stamps, comments, and food eaten during every mc/ car tweak/ change/ mod/ hiccup and poo LOLZ

[Homeslice]

Typically, these are the only things people keep receipts for. Big ticket items, or stuff with a long term warranty.

That's a fair enough compomise.

[Mr Lefty]

That's a fair enough compomise.

well warranty items is a different matter... that's not kept (at least for me) to prove anything for resale... it's so I can make sure to put the warranty to use if need be

[racedoll]

Who are these "most people"

And what kind of vehicles are you selling to them?

If it's something only worth $2-3K, then I could see your point....The less it's worth, the less people would care about seeing proof that it was maintained.

But what about newer or more valuable stuff?

Let's say you owned a late model VW or Audi with the turbo 4, which has a history of problems if the oil changes weren't kept up.......And you put it up for sale today. Don't you think a potential buyer would be interested to know when and how often you changed the oil (if at all)? If I was the buyer, I would ask for proof. Just saying "oh yeah I changed it every 3K" isn't going to satisfy things. Everyone says that.

Or, even more importantly, how about if your car has a timing belt which requires changing at 80K miles. That is a pretty expensive service, and if you don't get it done, your engine could be damaged if it's an "interference design". So you get it done, drive another 5K, and then decide to sell the car. Wouldn't you want to show that you had that service done?

Every person that has every bought anything from my husband - cars and motorcycles. To my knowledge, not one ever asked for a record book.

Otherwise I can't answer your questions because I DO keep records on all my vehicles. But at the same time, I keep my stuff forever so it's never worth anything when I do sell it, at which point most don't care nor do they expect every record.

[racedoll]

No. I generally drive my vehicles into the ground. By the time I'm done with it, I'd be lucky to get much above scrap value, so there's no point in service records.

This is me, except I do keep my records and receipts.

[shmike]

Nope.

I don't own anything special enough to warrant it.

People that keep pictures of used oil are the same ones that think their $2500 A4 is worth $8k because it has been "well cared for". :lol

[wildchild]

i have a notebook in every vehicle that contains dates mileage and cost of all maint and repairs done. also whether i did the work or someone else.

the used truck i bought this year, came with 0 records. i just assume whoever owned it did nothing and begin to go through it on my own.

[Particle Man]

Because you MIGHT one day get a buyer who DOES ask for them?

I mean most of you aren't that old (20's/30's).......So odds are, eventually you WILL get asked in the future. And if that guy happens to be willing to pay more......you missed out.
I don't sell my cars - I trade them in. :shrug:

[Homeslice]

Nope.

I don't own anything special enough to warrant it.

People that keep pictures of used oil are the same ones that think their $2500 A4 is worth $8k because it has been "well cared for". :lol

It may never be worth $8K, but there would still be a range, depending on condition.

External condition (paint, interior) affects resale value. Likewise, so might how it's been maintained, and whether proof of said maintenance exists. I know it does for me.

[Particle Man]

Big stuff, yes (transmissions, etc).

Oil changes? No.

[tallywacker]

I keep all records and receipts to insure the dealer never fucks me.

[Tmall]

I keep all records and receipts to insure the dealer never fucks me.

I've had dozens of warranty claims with no service records. Never an issue....

[tallywacker]

I've had dozens of warranty claims with no service records. Never an issue....

I did with my passat and had to prove to volkswagon that I changed my oil regularly to be considered for an extended 100,000 mile oil sludge claim. If I ddin't, they were denying people because they may have used shitty oil or didn't maintenance their car.

[Fleck750]

Mine is 22 yrs. old, has 300,000 miles on it. I would say that says I maintained it.

It's rotting off the frame, but still runs where I need it to go, and it will be driven to the salvage yard when I'm done with it.

[Flexin]

see, I think part of the problem, is I assume that I'm going to need to replace things like that... clutch, belts, ect... so I leave room in my budget before I buy

I had a small used car dealership. I had a budget for things I can see or touch. Everything else was checked that I could think of and I would plan for the unseen. I could start them but not drive them. But I would put them in gear and roll a few inches just to see if it would go in gear (Fwd and reverse).

James

[Flexin]

It may never be worth $8K, but there would still be a range, depending on condition.

External condition (paint, interior) affects resale value. Likewise, so might how it's been maintained, and whether proof of said maintenance exists. I know it does for me.

But that is if you can trust the records. If they had all the work done at a shop that I know then I would go talk to the shop. I could trust it then. If you believe everything that is written down I can forward and email I got last week that will allow you to get over 15 million. You can buy new at that point.

James

[RedRider2k2]

I've had dozens of warranty claims with no service records. Never an issue....

Ever have an engine let go and have the dealer want to see records? I've watched friends go through it. The old "I'm a mechanic" or "I do my own oil changes" bit doesnt work either without receipts for oil/filters.

Myself, I keep almost everything for my new cars. I toss everything in the glove box. The GF is anal about organizing things so eventually it finds it's way into a file. It's helped in the past. I had an Ion that spent most of the first 2 years I owned it in the shop. A folder full of records easily convinced GM to extend the bumper to bumper warranty.

[tallywacker]

I don't sell my cars - I trade them in. :shrug:

For thousands less then its worth

[Particle Man]

For thousands less then its worth

Not by the time I trade 'em in. Besides, the loss is worth not having to deal with the agrivation of selling it outright.

[Cutty72]

I buy oil and filters by the case, how do you use that to show service?

I keep them for the major repairs, and parts with warranty

[wildchild]

Not by the time I trade 'em in. Besides, the loss is worth not having to deal with the agrivation of selling it outright.

was just explaining that same thing to my dad tonight. tire kickers and joy riders are so aggravating. how about the "can you take payments" crowd?

i'll just keep 'em and add another, or trade it in.

[Particle Man]

was just explaining that same thing to my dad tonight. tire kickers and joy riders are so aggravating. how about the "can you take payments" crowd?

i'll just keep 'em and add another, or trade it in.

I did it once. Never again.

[anthonyk]

Never owned anything with a warranty, so dealers haven't ever been a concern. Don't care about resale, either. If a potential buyer walks because I don't have receipts, there'll be someone else along shortly who doesn't care.

If I ever get a vehicle with less than 100k on the clock to start with, maybe I'll think about keeping records.

I do try to jot down most stuff for the bike, though. Dates of tires, oil changes, valve checks with clearances noted, etc. I don't bother with receipts, though.

[anthonyk]

So I guess you agree that seeing the receipt is valuable redflip

Nah, not really. It's honestly not going to sway me one way or another. I might trust a receipt for a timing belt replacement, but I'm not going to pay more for a car that has one. It's an afternoon's work and a few hundred bucks in parts at the most. I just don't care that much.

Just give up on trying to convince everyone, already. We're lazy.

[derf]

was just explaining that same thing to my dad tonight. tire kickers and joy riders are so aggravating. how about the "can you take payments" crowd?



I'll totally take payments, give me a down payment, and monthly installments and once you pay me off 100% I'll give you the bike and the title.

[Captain Morgan]

Ever have an engine let go and have the dealer want to see records? I've watched friends go through it. The old "I'm a mechanic" or "I do my own oil changes" bit doesnt work either without receipts for oil/filters.

Myself, I keep almost everything for my new cars. I toss everything in the glove box. The GF is anal about organizing things so eventually it finds it's way into a file. It's helped in the past. I had an Ion that spent most of the first 2 years I owned it in the shop. A folder full of records easily convinced GM to extend the bumper to bumper warranty.

Never owned anything with a warranty, so dealers haven't ever been a concern. Don't care about resale, either. If a potential buyer walks because I don't have receipts, there'll be someone else along shortly who doesn't care.

If I ever get a vehicle with less than 100k on the clock to start with, maybe I'll think about keeping records.

I do try to jot down most stuff for the bike, though. Dates of tires, oil changes, valve checks with clearances noted, etc. I don't bother with receipts, though.

ditto. I think the newest vehicle I've ever bought (other than a motorcycle) was 6 years old. The warranty on my v-strom is over, so no point keeping receipts there, either.

[Gas Man]

:lol

You either need counselling or meds...

Probably both honestly. If you truely knew me, you would understand that my attention to detail is far beyond most. I don't like being call anal, I prefer neurotic. This is also why I have people always asking me to work on their bikes, and magazines constantly asking me to write articles. I'm a high energy, constantly on the run, neurotic, multi tasking fool. Ask Marko & more so Caveman. I will honestly say, I don't know a single person that can keep up with me.

No newspaper with the date in oil change pic ? FAIL.

Again, if you seen it all in person, there wouldn't be an issue. I have pics, dated reciepts, dated pictures, a cd of the pics, pics in folders for each oil change, the service log... all in the log book. Not too mention you can look at EVERYTHING I own. I'm a huge perfectionist. Anybody that lives even remotely close to me knows this.

you cant use gasman as a judge of current trends, hell he doesnt keep reciepts he has an entire forum with dates, time stamps, comments, and food eaten during every mc/ car tweak/ change/ mod/ hiccup and poo LOLZ

This is true... sorry but true.

I buy oil and filters by the case, how do you use that to show service?

I keep them for the major repairs, and parts with warranty

I keep the receipt and log it on the sheet. I always have MC oil, because I'm always changing somebody's oil.

[Gas Man]

Why don't we just merge this thread with the original?

Oh and I fixed the poll.

[Rangerscott]

I just switched my ER-6N over to synthetic and I'm not even going to write it down.

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[101lifts2]

You THINK it doesn't change your selling price, but I'd wager that a person who can document what he's done comes across as more professional and can justify asking for more than the average person.

And you said it might take longer to sell.....So isn't that an inconvenience to you? IMO that's a bigger inconvenience than saving your receipts.

I mean some of you guys act like putting a piece of paper into a manilla folder in yoru drawer is so difficult. I just don't get it.


Keeping service records IMO is only good to prove your engine didn't blow due to lack of maintence for a warranty claim. It doesn't increase the value at all. Dealer's go by wholesale numbers.

In my dealer mechanic days, I used to do used car inspections and then fix whatever was broke. There are things you look for to determine maintenance in the tranny fluid, engine oil and coolant. Look under the engine oil cap, smell the trans fluid and look at the color of the engine coolant. Then of course you test drive it.

I would say things you cannot detect like a timing belt record would be useful, but if the motor doesn't slap the valves when the belt breaks, I'd say just run the engine until it breaks. You can probably get 2x the life out of a stock belt vs. what the manual says. redflip

I only keep records in my head.

[Tmall]

Why don't we just merge this thread with the original?

Oh and I fixed the poll.

Good call. This place is way too busy to follow two threads.. :lol

[Mr Lefty]

Never owned anything with a warranty, so dealers haven't ever been a concern. Don't care about resale, either. If a potential buyer walks because I don't have receipts, there'll be someone else along shortly who doesn't care.

If I ever get a vehicle with less than 100k on the clock to start with, maybe I'll think about keeping records.

I do try to jot down most stuff for the bike, though. Dates of tires, oil changes, valve checks with clearances noted, etc. I don't bother with receipts, though.

:withstupid:

[Gas Man]

Good call. This place is way too busy to follow two threads.. :lol
Merged... one thread and now with poll.

[Dave]

If someone can't evaluate a used car for themselves by knowing what to look for and then doing it, then they need to stick to buying new cars for the rest of their life

This x1000

[Homeslice]

Keeping service records IMO is only good to prove your engine didn't blow due to lack of maintence for a warranty claim. It doesn't increase the value at all. Dealer's go by wholesale numbers.

In my dealer mechanic days, I used to do used car inspections and then fix whatever was broke. There are things you look for to determine maintenance in the tranny fluid, engine oil and coolant. Look under the engine oil cap, smell the trans fluid and look at the color of the engine coolant. Then of course you test drive it.

I would say things you cannot detect like a timing belt record would be useful, but if the motor doesn't slap the valves when the belt breaks, I'd say just run the engine until it breaks. You can probably get 2x the life out of a stock belt vs. what the manual says. redflip

I only keep records in my head.

First, it seems more and more engines are interference design. So if the belt breaks your valves get bent. Personally I don't know why more engines don't have chains instead of belts.... I guess it's so the dealers can make money replacing them.

Also, it's easy for a guy to change his fluids before showing his car to anyone. Let's say he does this at 30,000 miles......Sure the fluids look nice, but he could have skipped the first couple of changes. I would rather have a guy who obeyed the first one or two recommended intervals, or even went ahead of schedule. I know most of you do that, so why wouldn't you want to prove it if asked?

[dubbs]

:lol

You either need counselling or meds...

Yeah.. holy waste of time batman! :wtfru:

[Apoc]

Not for oil changes/regular maintenance. Any changed parts, I would throw the reciept in the handy little dodge leather book sleeve thingy that came with the truck. My oil is changed by myself, every 5k KM. Actually just did the first since I bought the truck this AM. I actually did throw the oil and filter receipt in that little pack, but cant guarantee I always will. Just seemed like the most convenient place to put it.

Putting a 6 inch lift with 35's eventually anyway. That will effect resale far more than not keeping oil change receipts anyway! :lol:

[LeeNetworX]

I keep all receipts for service or parts/chems/etc. to show that I either had the service performed or did it myself. For all of our vehicles/bikes we've had.

When we sold my wife's Civic ~4 years ago, the guy that bought it showed up and gave the car a quick once over, then looked at my garage. I showed him the folder full of receipts for the vehicle and offered to go through them with him and he declined. We went for a quick test drive and when we got back I went to open the hood and he said don't bother. He then told me that after seeing the state my garage was in (clean and organized) and the stack of receipts that anyone who kept their shit in order like that would have taken care of their car. He gave me a deposit and came back in a couple of days with cash in hand for my asking price.

So yeah - personally, I am a firm believer in keeping receipts and records.

[shmike]

I keep all receipts for service or parts/chems/etc. to show that I either had the service performed or did it myself. For all of our vehicles/bikes we've had.

When we sold my wife's Civic ~4 years ago, the guy that bought it showed up and gave the car a quick once over, then looked at my garage. I showed him the folder full of receipts for the vehicle and offered to go through them with him and he declined. We went for a quick test drive and when we got back I went to open the hood and he said don't bother. He then told me that after seeing the state my garage was in (clean and organized) and the stack of receipts that anyone who kept their shit in order like that would have taken care of their car. He gave me a deposit and came back in a couple of days with cash in hand for my asking price.

So yeah - personally, I am a firm believer in keeping receipts and records.


Did he comment on those lovely stainless steel shelves?

[LeeNetworX]

Did he comment on those lovely stainless steel shelves?

There isn't a person that enters my garage that does not comment on those fine stainless steel shelves.

[Particle Man]

I just switched my ER-6N over to synthetic and I'm not even going to write it down.

http://www.msn101.com/content/useruploads/2008/12/1229361925361_O1245E.png

Rebel

[OneSickPsycho]

I keep all receipts for service or parts/chems/etc. to show that I either had the service performed or did it myself. For all of our vehicles/bikes we've had.

When we sold my wife's Civic ~4 years ago, the guy that bought it showed up and gave the car a quick once over, then looked at my garage. I showed him the folder full of receipts for the vehicle and offered to go through them with him and he declined. We went for a quick test drive and when we got back I went to open the hood and he said don't bother. He then told me that after seeing the state my garage was in (clean and organized) and the stack of receipts that anyone who kept their shit in order like that would have taken care of their car. He gave me a deposit and came back in a couple of days with cash in hand for my asking price.

So yeah - personally, I am a firm believer in keeping receipts and records.


Good story... proof that keeping those records is a waste of time...

[Dave]

Good story... proof that keeping those records is a waste of time...

More like proof dude was a gullible moron

[azoomm]

I keep records for my own brain. I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday, how can I be expected to remember when I changed the oil or upgraded to something??

My records are electronic and very organized.

[OneSickPsycho]

I keep records for my own brain. I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday, how can I be expected to remember when I changed the oil or upgraded to something??

My records are electronic and very organized.

Both of our cars tell us when the oil needs to be changed... and for the bike, it's easy to remember... Stuff like brake fluid, etc, goes on the seasonal list...

[LeeNetworX]

Good story... proof that keeping those records is a waste of time...

Riiiiiiggggghhhhht......

[HurricaneHeather]

I don't keep records because my cars aren't nice enough to justify it. I've only ever owned one new car and with 160K on it now it has never needed anything major yet, so we don't have receipts for it. I am driving that thing til it dies so I don't give a crap about resale.

If I ever got anything new and fancy I might consider it. To answer the original question of why I don't? Not a priority. :shrug:

[Rangerscott]

I wish women kept service records of their vaginas.

[Dave]

I wish women kept service records of their vaginas.

Troof

[defector]

I wish women kept service records of their vaginas.
It's not handicapped. Not handicapped.

[Flexin]

I wish women kept service records of their vaginas.

I would trust that less then a garage work order.

James

[azoomm]

I would trust that less then a garage work order.

James

I was going to say... like you REALLY want to know :lol:

[Flexin]

I was going to say... like you REALLY want to know :lol:

Thats what came to my mind first. Most wouldn't even want to know.

How many guys here would want a woman to keep Gasman type records on their vagina?

And that brings up another point. Even if someone keeps records they can toss ones that point to a problem. I know a guy that bought 3 wheel bearings from me for his Integra years ago. He could just keep the latest and say it has a new one. That seems ok till you find out it had 3 new ones in a month.

So once again you can't just go by the records.

James

[Gas Man]

I keep all receipts for service or parts/chems/etc. to show that I either had the service performed or did it myself. For all of our vehicles/bikes we've had.

When we sold my wife's Civic ~4 years ago, the guy that bought it showed up and gave the car a quick once over, then looked at my garage. I showed him the folder full of receipts for the vehicle and offered to go through them with him and he declined. We went for a quick test drive and when we got back I went to open the hood and he said don't bother. He then told me that after seeing the state my garage was in (clean and organized) and the stack of receipts that anyone who kept their shit in order like that would have taken care of their car. He gave me a deposit and came back in a couple of days with cash in hand for my asking price.

So yeah - personally, I am a firm believer in keeping receipts and records.
That is how my palce is...

Thats what came to my mind first. Most wouldn't even want to know.

How many guys here would want a woman to keep Gasman type records on their vagina?

And that brings up another point. Even if someone keeps records they can toss ones that point to a problem. I know a guy that bought 3 wheel bearings from me for his Integra years ago. He could just keep the latest and say it has a new one. That seems ok till you find out it had 3 new ones in a month.

So once again you can't just go by the records.

James
Vagina log records... awesome!

[Dave]

I was going to say... like you REALLY want to know :lol:

38 guys? I guess that's not too bad. Hey, wait, what the hell? A leaf blower? A fucking leaf blower? I mean I can deal with a nerf football but a leaf blower? Like was it running? No. Ya know what? Don't even tell me, I'll just keep looking.



You got a sister?

[Homeslice]

I am driving that thing til it dies

That is what they all say.......But frankly I've never known anyone who does. At worst, they might give it to a relative as a hand-me-down, or give it to charity, but it was still in running condition......just beat-up and stinky and oxidized maybe.

[Rangerscott]

That is what they all say.......But frankly I've never known anyone who does. At worst, they might give it to a relative as a hand-me-down, or give it to charity, but it was still in running condition......just beat-up and stinky and oxidized maybe.

I've already put more miles on both on my vfr than 100 sport bikes combined that have been sold numerous times. :lol

[LeeNetworX]

I wish women kept service records of their vaginas.

They would, except there's no room left on the bookshelf next to the 28-volume set vagina and orgasm operational manual.

[Particle Man]

I wish women kept service records of their vaginas.

Imagie the ad:

For sale. Low miles. All service records kept. Leaks occasionally.

[Dave]

Imagie the ad:

For sale. Low miles. All service records kept. Leaks occasionally.

New car smell

[OneSickPsycho]

Riiiiiiggggghhhhht......

did the guy ask for them? was he even interested in looking at them? nope... so it's pointless.

Again, you make up your mind based on the condition of the vehicle and how the person selling it keeps up their other shit.

[LeeNetworX]

did the guy ask for them? was he even interested in looking at them? nope... so it's pointless.

Again, you make up your mind based on the condition of the vehicle and how the person selling it keeps up their other shit.

The fact that I had them all in a pile ready to go was part of what convinced him I took care of the car. How is that pointless?

Reading comprehension. Work on it.

[dubbs]

The fact that I had them all in a pile ready to go was part of what convinced him I took care of the car. How is that pointless?

Reading comprehension. Work on it.

You could of had a stack of papers from any other vehicle.

So all that time and effort was, in fact, wasted..

[LeeNetworX]

You could of had a stack of papers from any other vehicle.

So all that time and effort was, in fact, wasted..

If you say so. I say there's people in this thread just trying to find ways to justify their laziness and lack of organizational skills.

Just my $.02

[tommymac]

Imagie the ad:

For sale. Low miles. All service records kept. Leaks occasionally.

I need to show you guys the Er records of some ghetto skanks, records a mile long, ghonorrhea, chlamydia, trichamonas, oh look herpes, you aint shaking that one.

[dubbs]

If you say so. I say there's people in this thread just trying to find ways to justify their laziness and lack of organizational skills.

Just my $.02

No doubt with some people..

In my case, i don't do it for other people.. I have a simple text file on my PC with the date, mileage, bolt size, filter #, amount added, and viscosity so this way I have an easy cheat sheet when I need to go do an oil change or find out when I need to do one.

When I sell vehicles, I just tell them it's been taken care of and once they take it for a ride and check it out, they never ask for records..

IMO there's a diff between being organized and going overboard.

[tommymac]

No doubt with some people..

In my case, i don't do it for other people.. I have a simple text file on my PC with the date, mileage, bolt size, filter #, amount added, and viscosity so this way I have an easy cheat sheet when I need to go do an oil change or find out when I need to do one.

When I sell vehicles, I just tell them it's been taken care of and once they take it for a ride and check it out, they never ask for records..

IMO there's a diff between being organized and going overboard.

A few buddies do that for their bikes, I just started doing this last year on the priller, I just jot down the date, mileage and what was done in the shop manual. Seems easier than making all that stuff on the computer. I wish I had done it earlier on my bikes but I am not selling them anytime soon.

[dubbs]

A few buddies do that for their bikes, I just started doing this last year on the priller, I just jot down the date, mileage and what was done in the shop manual. Seems easier than making all that stuff on the computer. I wish I had done it earlier on my bikes but I am not selling them anytime soon.

For me it's nice having everything in one central place. I do have like 6 things to do oil changes on, gets a bit confusing sometimes. :lol

[LeeNetworX]

IMO there's a diff between being organized and going overboard.

True. We just position that dividing line in different places along the scale.

[Rangerscott]

I tried keeping a record of replacing parts on my vehicle and I would just keep forgetting. Hell I forgot to take a pic of my odometer before driving with the new engine. Luckily I was able to go back and look through my vids and catch the odometer.

[Trip]

I keep a binder with receipts and service slips, I have never showed it to sell a vehicle. I usually just keep it til the vehicle is out of warranty though.

[tommymac]

For me it's nice having everything in one central place. I do have like 6 things to do oil changes on, gets a bit confusing sometimes. :lol

Good point, I do have 3 bikes but one logs th emost miles so that one def needs it. Now that i have a garage of my own I wil prolly start working on the car again too.

[OneSickPsycho]

The fact that I had them all in a pile ready to go was part of what convinced him I took care of the car. How is that pointless?

Reading comprehension. Work on it.

I read and comprehend just fine... my point was that the guy did what most of us do... looked at the state of all the other shit you're responsible for and made the assumption that it was all good. I entertained the idea that this guy wouldn't have batted an eye at buying your car if you told him that your dog ate all your records. Therefore, having all of those records was, in this, and most every other case a big fucking waste of time.

fuck you, thank you... suck it.

If you say so. I say there's people in this thread just trying to find ways to justify their laziness and lack of organizational skills.

Just my $.02

Yes, Mr. High and Mighty, that's exactly it. No other good points were made... or maybe you're just fucking OCD and feel as if it's a fucking gift or something... or maybe you just don't have the intuition that others have when making purchases like these so you automatically assume you need to save the receipt every time you put air in the tires or change a fucking wiper blade.

Good point, I do have 3 bikes but one logs th emost miles so that one def needs it. Now that i have a garage of my own I wil prolly start working on the car again too.

Now see... THAT makes sense. I would certainly keep better records if I had more vehicles to deal with... The cars tell me when service is due and the bike stuff is easy to remember...

[LeeNetworX]

I read and comprehend just fine... my point was that the guy did what most of us do... looked at the state of all the other shit you're responsible for and made the assumption that it was all good. I entertained the idea that this guy wouldn't have batted an eye at buying your car if you told him that your dog ate all your records. Therefore, having all of those records was, in this, and most every other case a big fucking waste of time.

fuck you, thank you... suck it.



Yes, Mr. High and Mighty, that's exactly it. No other good points were made... or maybe you're just fucking OCD and feel as if it's a fucking gift or something... or maybe you just don't have the intuition that others have when making purchases like these so you automatically assume you need to save the receipt every time you put air in the tires or change a fucking wiper blade.



Now see... THAT makes sense. I would certainly keep better records if I had more vehicles to deal with... The cars tell me when service is due and the bike stuff is easy to remember...

Did you say something? I can't hear you way up here.

[OneSickPsycho]

Did you say something? I can't hear you way up here.

http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Random/get_off_your_high_horse.jpg

[Particle Man]

http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Random/get_off_your_high_horse.jpg

I'm gonna burn for this, but: :lmao:

[Homeslice]

If you say so. I say there's people in this thread just trying to find ways to justify their laziness and lack of organizational skills.

Just my $.02

Plus million.

[OneSickPsycho]

Plus million.

You can shut the fuck up and suck it too.

[tallywacker]

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[Trip]

http://dumpfm.s3.amazonaws.com/images/20100811/1281580674126-dumpfm-psludump-neanderthal-taco.gif

WHAT..............THE....................FUCK

lol

[tommymac]

WHAT..............THE....................FUCK

lol

what he said

[Flexin]

If you say so. I say there's people in this thread just trying to find ways to justify their laziness and lack of organizational skills.

Just my $.02

For some it could be but for more I think its just not important. Some just keep a car so long that its not going to be an issue.

For me the condition of the car and the way it runs are number 1. The fact that your garage is spotless would lead me to believe that you didn't just have your nasty car detailed to sell it but take care of it all the time.

The papers would be interesting to look at but I wouldn't trust them from anyone unless they were all with the same shop and I knew and trusted that shop.

Someone could drive a car so hard that they are replacing brakes every month or month and a half. That person could keep records and notice what that would say about the way the car has been drove and remove a couple of brake jobs in between to make look like they don't beat the shit out of it.

Without an index and page numbers its hard to tell if your reading the whole story.

James

[njchopper87]

Meh.. I wasn't paying attention when I voted in class. Switch mine to yes. >.> I keep receipts from services rendered by shops. I toss receipts from oil/filters and any other liquid/parts unless there's a warranty. I have a text file where I write down oil and filter change, air filter cleaned and any other basic home service. I don't plan on letting my bike go for a long time, so this is pretty much just for my use.

[Particle Man]

WHAT..............THE....................FUCK

lol

I'll drink to that. WTF :eek:

[defector]

http://dumpfm.s3.amazonaws.com/images/20100811/1281580674126-dumpfm-psludump-neanderthal-taco.gif

Needs a receipt in it.......

[Homeslice]

You can shut the fuck up and suck it too.

Weak fucking sauce. :rolleyes:

Sometimes I think you people just take the opposite side just to disagree.

You're gonna tell me if you put like lets say a slipper clutch in your bike, you would throw away the receipt? Somehow I think not. But ok, let's entertain that idea. Let's say 3 months later you lose your job and are forced to sell the bike. You know, unexpected things happen sometimes. So now all of a sudden you can't "run it into the ground" anymore. :rolleyes: You've got to sell it, and you want a potential buyer to know that you upgraded it with a fairly desirable mod. 'Cept you can't because you threw away the receipt. Real intelligent. :rockwoot:

[Particle Man]

Weak fucking sauce.

Sometimes I think most of you people just take the opposite side just to disagree.


You're wrong, fucker!







:nee:

[Trip]

You're gonna tell me if you put like lets say a slipper clutch in your bike, you would throw away the receipt? Somehow I think not. But ok, let's entertain that idea. Let's say 3 months later you lose your job and are forced to sell the bike. You know, unexpected things happen sometimes. So now all of a sudden you can't "run it into the ground" anymore. :rolleyes: You've got to sell it, and you want a potential buyer to know that you upgraded it with a fairly desirable mod. 'Cept you can't because you threw away the receipt. Real intelligent. :rockwoot:

If someone put something like a slipper clutch on the bike, I better know the fucking person and how they treat/maintain their bikes. There is no way I am buying a bike with that big of a modification because they "have a receipt." If it was a shop that did it, it's easy enough to call a shop and get maintenance history.

[Tmall]

Weak fucking sauce. :rolleyes:

Sometimes I think you people just take the opposite side just to disagree.

You're gonna tell me if you put like lets say a slipper clutch in your bike, you would throw away the receipt? Somehow I think not. But ok, let's entertain that idea. Let's say 3 months later you lose your job and are forced to sell the bike. You know, unexpected things happen sometimes. So now all of a sudden you can't "run it into the ground" anymore. :rolleyes: You've got to sell it, and you want a potential buyer to know that you upgraded it with a fairly desirable mod. 'Cept you can't because you threw away the receipt. Real intelligent. :rockwoot:

Strange how your argument has changed from service records to receipts. There is a difference.

Service records would be, you get your twice yearly fuel line inspection according to the owner's manual, and you keep history of it.

You'd be a fool to not keep record of something such as, having a wheel bearing installed that has a 50k warranty.

This has gone from, "You mean you don't keep proof of having your car washed?" to, "pfffft, you're a fool if you don't keep receipts".

PS, what if he shows you a fake receipt for parts not installed? Then it has the opposite effect of what you're going for. Somebody can show your "proof" of valve work, a slipper clutch. And you wouldn't be able to really prove any of it without opening the engine..

[Homeslice]

If someone put something like a slipper clutch on the bike, I better know the fucking person and how they treat/maintain their bikes. There is no way I am buying a bike with that big of a modification because they "have a receipt." If it was a shop that did it, it's easy enough to call a shop and get maintenance history.

LOL if I owned that shop, I'd hang up and tell you to buzz off. Why would I waste my time looking up records for someone who wasn't even the customer. :lol

[Flexin]

Weak fucking sauce. :rolleyes:

Sometimes I think you people just take the opposite side just to disagree.

You're gonna tell me if you put like lets say a slipper clutch in your bike, you would throw away the receipt? Somehow I think not. But ok, let's entertain that idea. Let's say 3 months later you lose your job and are forced to sell the bike. You know, unexpected things happen sometimes. So now all of a sudden you can't "run it into the ground" anymore. :rolleyes: You've got to sell it, and you want a potential buyer to know that you upgraded it with a fairly desirable mod. 'Cept you can't because you threw away the receipt. Real intelligent. :rockwoot:

If someone is hard up for money, how do you know they didn't replace an expensive part, sell it to a friend and put a stock unit back in? You don't. The paper is only good if you trust what is written on it.

Shit happens but having that paper doesn't mean you will get more money for the bike. Some will offer less for mods. And mods are only worth more to someone that feels they are worth more. The seller sets a asking price. The buyer decided what its worth.

James

[Trip]

LOL if I owned that shop, I'd hang up and tell you to buzz off. Why would I waste my time looking up records for someone who wasn't even the customer. :lol

Have you actually tried this? I got all kinds of service history from different dealers when I was looking for a GS. Dealerships aren't assholes like us. You have to do it through the owner though. You don't just call a dealership and start asking for different bikes that you saw at bike night that you wrote the VIN number down .

[dubbs]

If someone is hard up for money, how do you know they didn't replace an expensive part, sell it to a friend and put a stock unit back in? You don't. The paper is only good if you trust what is written on it.

Shit happens but having that paper doesn't mean you will get more money for the bike. Some will offer less for mods. And mods are only worth more to someone that feels they are worth more. The seller sets a asking price. The buyer decided what its worth.

James

I think everyone is missing the fact that the example he used can easily be tested.. so long as you get cash up front for a nice test ride.. lol

Edit - And to answer the original question - no I still wouldn't have a receipt..

[Homeslice]

Strange how your argument has changed from service records to receipts. There is a difference.

Service records would be, you get your twice yearly fuel line inspection according to the owner's manual, and you keep history of it.

You'd be a fool to not keep record of something such as, having a wheel bearing installed that has a 50k warranty.

This has gone from, "You mean you don't keep proof of having your car washed?" to, "pfffft, you're a fool if you don't keep track of your warranty work".

Jigga please. :rolleyes: I never said you should keep proof of car washes. I am talking things that affect the long-term operation of the vehicle. If you are going to keep the receipt for that wheel bearing you mentioned, why can't you keep the receipts for oil and filters as well? Do you guys seriously have no room for a manilla folder?

[Flexin]

LOL if I owned that shop, I'd hang up and tell you to buzz off. Why would I waste my time looking up records for someone who wasn't even the customer. :lol


Because that is potentially a new customer on the phone. If you had a business then you would know how hard and expensive it is to get new customers. I wouldn't piss one off when they call me up.

James

[Tmall]

Jigga please. :rolleyes: I never said you should keep proof of car washes. I am talking things that affect the long-term operation of the vehicle. If you are going to keep the receipt for that wheel bearing you mentioned, why can't you keep the receipts for oil and filters as well? Do you guys seriously have no room for a manilla folder?

I have all kinds of room. Because I don't keep pointless shit lying around. :lol

[Particle Man]

I have all kinds of room. Because I don't keep pointless shit lying around. :lol

:lol:

[Flexin]

I think everyone is missing the fact that the example he used can easily be tested.. so long as you get cash up front for a nice test ride.. lol

Edit - And to answer the original question - no I still wouldn't have a receipt..

I wanted to focus on any part that can't be seen without removing parts.

James

[tommymac]

Weak fucking sauce. :rolleyes:

Sometimes I think you people just take the opposite side just to disagree.

You're gonna tell me if you put like lets say a slipper clutch in your bike, you would throw away the receipt? Somehow I think not. But ok, let's entertain that idea. Let's say 3 months later you lose your job and are forced to sell the bike. You know, unexpected things happen sometimes. So now all of a sudden you can't "run it into the ground" anymore. :rolleyes: You've got to sell it, and you want a potential buyer to know that you upgraded it with a fairly desirable mod. 'Cept you can't because you threw away the receipt. Real intelligent. :rockwoot:

Even withthe receipt I cant see the slipper adding a whole lot of value to the overall product, its jus tlike any other mod in that you wont get your money back. He would be better off taking it out and selling it separately

[Flexin]

Even withthe receipt I cant see the slipper adding a whole lot of value to the overall product, its jus tlike any other mod in that you wont get your money back. He would be better off taking it out and selling it separately

For me the mods pretty much lowered the value of the bike. Before I bought the R6 new (I miss that bike) I was looking used, as soon as I seen a list of mods I would move on to the next bike listed. Without knowing the bike/owner/who did the work I didn't want to touch the bike.

James

[Homeslice]

Even withthe receipt I cant see the slipper adding a whole lot of value to the overall product, its jus tlike any other mod in that you wont get your money back. He would be better off taking it out and selling it separately

Disagree, I have seen plenty of bikes & cars "get more" because they were tastefully modded. If I know that I would have installed those same mods, then it's worth extra money because now I don't have to do so.

[HurricaneHeather]

I have all kinds of room. Because I don't keep pointless shit lying around. :lol

:lol

[Trip]

Disagree, I have seen plenty of bikes & cars "get more" because they were tastefully modded. If I know that I would have installed those same mods, then it's worth extra money because now I don't have to do so.

A slipper would scare me off buying a bike. I'd rather think it was stock. Something internal like that, it better be a damn good mechanic that you are buying the bike from if they did it themselves.

[Flexin]

I had the reciepts for my Yamaha Blaster from when my piston made my exhaust a Maracas. I think my wife tossed them not to long ago since I sold the quad a while ago. I didn't look at them much because I didn't want to know how much I spent repairing it.

When I sold the bike I didn't show give the new owner them or even show them. Once again I might have found out how much I spent. He didn't care about them or even ask for any. He looked the quad over, tested it out and took it for a run. When he came back he made an offer and was headed back home with it on his trailer.

James

[Homeslice]

A slipper would scare me off buying a bike. I'd rather think it was stock. Something internal like that, it better be a damn good mechanic that you are buying the bike from if they did it themselves.

The question was in general. Someone mods their bike, and it could be either themselves, or a shop, that did it. You don't know yet until you ask.

Take a BMW car for example. Let's say you're looking for one, and you know you'd install a Dinan kit on it if you bought one. Someone comes along who has a Dinan BMW, and has the receipt from the dealer who installed the kit.

Let's say the market value of that car is $20K.......and the Dinan kit normally costs $3K........So he lists the car for $22K saying that the Dinan kit makes it worth more than market. I might not agree with $22K, but I might be willing to pay $21K instead of $20K. Because now I've gotten a $3K Dinan kit for only $1K.

[Flexin]

Disagree, I have seen plenty of bikes & cars "get more" because they were tastefully modded. If I know that I would have installed those same mods, then it's worth extra money because now I don't have to do so.

Thats what I said. Its worth what the buyer feels its worth. If it is in their price range, has mods they don't hate and they can't afford to do the mods they really want then it might be worth it to them.

A lot of people want to do it their way. I have a friend that was selling a CRX back in the day and he had some buyers walk because of some of his mods.

As far as internal mods go you could be hurting the value. Rims you can sell and replace. Finding out someone screwed up installing an internal part can end up being an expensive fix.

Receipts only matter to some.

Mods only matter to some.

If you like keeping receipts for yourself then do so. But don't be surprised that not everyone does so. And don't let the stack of papers in the fancy binder with plastic sleeves blind you. Look the car over before every getting glossy eyed over some fancy binder.

Even the most well kept car can break the day after you buy it.

James

[tommymac]

Disagree, I have seen plenty of bikes & cars "get more" because they were tastefully modded. If I know that I would have installed those same mods, then it's worth extra money because now I don't have to do so.

I am seeing this more from the point of track bikes, many have tons of mods done to them, most are well maintained but the sellers arent getting anywhere near what thye put into them.

[Flexin]

The question was in general. Someone mods their bike, and it could be either themselves, or a shop, that did it. You don't know yet until you ask.

Take a BMW car for example. Let's say you're looking for one, and you know you'd install a Dinan kit on it if you bought one. Someone comes along who has a Dinan BMW, and has the receipt from the dealer who installed the kit.

Let's say the market value of that car is $20K.......and the Dinan kit normally costs $3K........So he lists the car for $22K saying that the Dinan kit makes it worth more than market. I might not agree with $22K, but I might be willing to pay $21K instead of $20K. Because now I've gotten a $3K Dinan kit for only $1K.

All of that can be done without a receipt. Your also getting away from your original point.

But looking at your new point you have to look at the parts installed. Think about the age of part. Is it a wear item? Brakes for example would be worth X amount of dollars new in the box but as the wear the value drops fast. If the upgrade included calipers then some value would remain but you would have to decide how much.

What if a kit was installed early on and the car is now 3 years old? Your $2000 worth of savings doesn't seem so good to me at that point. Why? Well if shocks are part of the kit they now have 3 years worth of wear and so do the other parts. Did the owner like to drive the car hard with his new mods? In my case I would rather try to get the stock car for under $20000 if I could and then get the brand new kit installed.

In my case maybe I get the car for $19000 and pay full price for the kit. Now I'm paying $1000 more but I have a car that may not have been driven hard, and I have brand new parts on it that might also have some improvements over the old design of the kit.

There are many ways to look at things.

James

[LeeNetworX]

You can shut the fuck up and suck it too.

Rage much?

[OneSickPsycho]

Rage much?

I eat innocent meat... I bash myself to sleep...

[Captain Morgan]

If you say so. I say there's people in this thread just trying to find ways to justify their laziness and lack of organizational skills.

Just my $.02

I have a 1997 Camry that has 235k miles on it. When I got the car, it had 165k miles on it. Do you really think I need to keep receipts for this car?

I have a 2009 V-strom. The warranty expired 2 months ago. I have no need for receipts on that vehicle either.

No doubt with some people..

In my case, i don't do it for other people.. I have a simple text file on my PC with the date, mileage, bolt size, filter #, amount added, and viscosity so this way I have an easy cheat sheet when I need to go do an oil change or find out when I need to do one.

I look at the sticker in the upper left hand corner of my windshield to know when to change my oil. :lol:

[shmike]

Weak fucking sauce. :rolleyes:

Sometimes I think you people just take the opposite side just to disagree.

You're gonna tell me if you put like lets say a slipper clutch in your bike, you would throw away the receipt? Somehow I think not. But ok, let's entertain that idea. Let's say 3 months later you lose your job and are forced to sell the bike. You know, unexpected things happen sometimes. So now all of a sudden you can't "run it into the ground" anymore. :rolleyes: You've got to sell it, and you want a potential buyer to know that you upgraded it with a fairly desirable mod. 'Cept you can't because you threw away the receipt. Real intelligent. :rockwoot:

LOL if I owned that shop, I'd hang up and tell you to buzz off. Why would I waste my time looking up records for someone who wasn't even the customer. :lol

I had to jump in here because of the sheer stupidity above.

1. If you are buying a bike and you can't tell whether it has a slipper in it on the test ride, you deserve to be swindled.

2. My most recent bike purchase had a slipper, full ohlins, and about $10k worth of factory "kit" parts. I got exactly ZERO receipts with my purchase.

3. When I needed to verify the build done on the motor, guess what I did? I called the shop that did the work.

Not only did they not hang up, I spent about an hour on the phone with the engine builder. He went through everything that was done to the motor, everything that he did to other motors that season, tips to know and issues to look out for. This is one of the most renowned shops in the southeast, not some shade tree mechanic.

I can't believe that some of you would walk away from the deal I got or try to tell the seller that it wasn't worth what he wanted because he didn't have receipts. :lol

[Apoc]

I hope Roberto Luongo kept his receipts and contracts. :lol:

[tommymac]

I hope Roberto Luongo kept his receipts and contracts. :lol:

Doh, I think he wants to forget his stint as an islander :lol:

[Particle Man]

I hope Roberto Luongo kept his receipts and contracts. :lol:

I literally just choked on my coffee :lol:

[LeeNetworX]

I have a 1997 Camry that has 235k miles on it. When I got the car, it had 165k miles on it. Do you really think I need to keep receipts for this car?

You have a point on this; I was definitely in the mindset of "vehicle was new when I purchased it" up until now. Haven't bought a used vehicle in a while so I failed to think about this.

[tommymac]

I had to jump in here because of the sheer stupidity above.

1. If you are buying a bike and you can't tell whether it has a slipper in it on the test ride, you deserve to be swindled.

2. My most recent bike purchase had a slipper, full ohlins, and about $10k worth of factory "kit" parts. I got exactly ZERO receipts with my purchase.

3. When I needed to verify the build done on the motor, guess what I did? I called the shop that did the work.

Not only did they not hang up, I spent about an hour on the phone with the engine builder. He went through everything that was done to the motor, everything that he did to other motors that season, tips to know and issues to look out for. This is one of the most renowned shops in the southeast, not some shade tree mechanic.

I can't believe that some of you would walk away from the deal I got or try to tell the seller that it wasn't worth what he wanted because he didn't have receipts. :lol

I do recall one story on the wera board where a guy bought a race bike and they claimed all this motor work was done. There was a problem withthe motor and it was pulled apart and it was bone stock, nonebof said work was ever done.

[dubbs]

I look at the sticker in the upper left hand corner of my windshield to know when to change my oil. :lol:

I can't trust someone who doesn't give two shits about my car to do something that is so important to the life of the engine, that is so easy to do myself. Plus you know what quality parts you are putting in, verses whatever they use or if they even change the filter..

When I change my parent's oil for them after one of those shops do it, they torque the fucking filter and bolt down so much it makes it a big pain in the ass to change. Filters should be hand tight.. WTF?

[Homeslice]

I do recall one story on the wera board where a guy bought a race bike and they claimed all this motor work was done. There was a problem withthe motor and it was pulled apart and it was bone stock, nonebof said work was ever done.

Exactly.

[Homeslice]

I had to jump in here because of the sheer stupidity above.

1. If you are buying a bike and you can't tell whether it has a slipper in it on the test ride, you deserve to be swindled.

2. My most recent bike purchase had a slipper, full ohlins, and about $10k worth of factory "kit" parts. I got exactly ZERO receipts with my purchase.

3. When I needed to verify the build done on the motor, guess what I did? I called the shop that did the work.

Not only did they not hang up, I spent about an hour on the phone with the engine builder. He went through everything that was done to the motor, everything that he did to other motors that season, tips to know and issues to look out for. This is one of the most renowned shops in the southeast, not some shade tree mechanic.

I can't believe that some of you would walk away from the deal I got or try to tell the seller that it wasn't worth what he wanted because he didn't have receipts. :lol

I used the slipper clutch as an example. Just like I used a Dinan engine kit as an example. I could have said a totally rebuilt engine too. Point is, they're all just examples. And while you may be able to call and talk to a race shop who's willing to spend his time on the phone with you (because he's got nothing better to do), try doing that with the average dealership after being told "You can just call my dealer, he did all the maintenance"

[Particle Man]

I used the slipper clutch as an example. Just like I used a Dinan engine kit as an example. I could have said a totally rebuilt engine too. Point is, they're all just examples. And while you may be able to call and talk to a race shop who's willing to spend his time on the phone with you (because he's got nothing better to do), try doing that with the average dealership after being told "You can just call my dealer, he did all the maintenance"

My local dealer's mechanic won't shut up once he gets on the phone.

[Homeslice]

I have a 1997 Camry that has 235k miles on it. When I got the car, it had 165k miles on it. Do you really think I need to keep receipts for this car?

I have a 2009 V-strom. The warranty expired 2 months ago. I have no need for receipts on that vehicle either.


Until you try and sell it.

You guys think it's not important because none of the buyers you've had so far have seemed like they cared. But that doesn't prove nobody cares.

Pretty sure that Camry has a timing belt, right? If so, it would be scheduled for replacement every 75-90K miles. Meaning that when you bought it at 165K, it probably was due for its second replacement. It would certainly save you money and time if it had already been done. And if in fact that's what the owner told you, wouldn't you like to see some verification of it? Otherwise you are simply taking his word.

Same with clutches. If I'm looking at a car that old, and its clutch has recently been replaced, that's a potential advantage in my eyes. But if it can't be proven, it's not an advantage anymore.

Two different Camry's, same condition, same amount of miles.......If one can show that it's timing belt & clutch had been recently replaced, I'd be willing to pay $500 more for it.

[Homeslice]

My local dealer's mechanic won't shut up once he gets on the phone.

In my experience, most dealers won't put mechanics on the line -- that's what the service writers are for.

You might be able to call a service manager and give him the VIN and see if certain recalls had been taken care of, but for him to read off all the maintenance that has ever been done is probably not gonna be something he's willing to do. And that assumes his records even go back that far.

[Particle Man]

In my experience, most dealers won't put mechanics on the line -- that's what the service writers are for.

You might be able to call a service manager and give him the VIN and see if certain recalls had been taken care of, but for him to read off all the maintenance that has ever been done is probably not gonna be something he's willing to do. And that assumes his records even go back that far.Time to find a better dealer. Just sayin'.

[Trip]

I used the slipper clutch as an example. Just like I used a Dinan engine kit as an example. I could have said a totally rebuilt engine too. Point is, they're all just examples. And while you may be able to call and talk to a race shop who's willing to spend his time on the phone with you (because he's got nothing better to do), try doing that with the average dealership after being told "You can just call my dealer, he did all the maintenance"

I have, I had a long discussion with a regular dealer that's not even local to me about my current bike before I bought it from it's previous owner.

[Tmall]

Exactly.

If it's the one I'm thinking of, it was all documented work. He was shown paperwork. Buddy tears the engine open and sees the word "kit" written on his cams in marker which made him suspicious. Further investigation revealed everything to be stock.

[Homeslice]

So on the one hand, you guys are saying proof of maintenance isn't important, yet on the other hand you're saying you'd call a shop to find out if it's been maintained. Which is it?

[Homeslice]

If it's the one I'm thinking of, it was all documented work. He was shown paperwork. Buddy tears the engine open and sees the word "kit" written on his cams in marker which made him suspicious. Further investigation revealed everything to be stock.

I'll admit, it would be easy to fake a generic invoice. But the colored & serrated paper that big shops/dealers use isn't something most people are going to use in their printer. Not to mention replicating the dealership's logo and everything. Kind of doubtful that anyone would fake that for 100K+ worth of services.

[Tmall]

I'll admit, it would be easy to fake a generic invoice. But the colored & serrated paper that big shops/dealers use isn't something most people are going to use in their printer. Not to mention replicating the dealership's logo and everything. Kind of doubtful that anyone would fake that for 100K+ worth of services.

It's confusing that you're trying to argue little details and then flip flopping when somebody refutes it. Which do you want to debate? Service records, or proof of mods and work? You're trying to do both and its just not working.

He could have easily had all kinds of components installed. He also could have removed them himself, sold them separately, and still show somebody the paperwork proving they were there at one point.


But, I don't remember if you're still considering slipper clutches, or only services..

[OneSickPsycho]

So on the one hand, you guys are saying proof of maintenance isn't important, yet on the other hand you're saying you'd call a shop to find out if it's been maintained. Which is it?

I'm consistent... I don't ask and I wouldn't call.

I've interviewed, managed, and sold enough people over the years to tell with freakishly good accuracy, when someone is lying... even when someone is REALLY good at it. That said, most people are REALLY bad at it.

Also, I'm no expert, but I can look over pretty much anything mechanical and tell if it was abused or in the least, poorly maintained. AND you can tell a lot about how something's maintained based upon how well the person responsible for it maintains their other shit. It's not rocket science...

And... I think what the people are saying, without double talk as you imply, is that if they are that concerned about maintenance records, there are other ways of obtaining the information without saving/asking for every receipt for everything that's ever been done...

[shmike]

So on the one hand, you guys are saying proof of maintenance isn't important, yet on the other hand you're saying you'd call a shop to find out if it's been maintained. Which is it?

Unnecessary redundancy is not important.
Unnecessary redundancy is not important.

[Homeslice]

Unnecessary redundancy is not important.
Unnecessary redundancy is not important.

It is important if it saves me time when deciding whether to buy someone's car. No matter which make & model I'm looking for, there's always several of them being sold in my local area. Asking about service history is one way to whittle down the options and save time, rather than going over to everyone's house.

[the chi]

Sometimes I think you people just take the opposite side just to disagree.



Ding ding ding...I think he gets it boys...not saying all member here do it, but several admit to arguing just to argue. They like seeing ppl (you especially) get their panties in a wad so to speak.


Even the most well kept car can break the day after you buy it.

James

Yeah, just ask Drewpy.

tee hee. :lol:

I have to say, in my short like I avg a car at least every 2 years. New, used, etc. Bikes too, tho I kept the GSXR a good long time. And NONE, I repeat NONE of the purchasers, be they private or dealer have ever asked or cared about records. Nor can any be provided the few times I ask when they tell me how good it was taken care of.

I dont keep them, I dont see the point in more unnecessary paperwork cluttering the place. Not to mention, most of ours is done by the family mechanic, Dad. I'm sure he keeps every single receipt for our stuff and has it filed alphabetically and by date. :lol: But thats his thing, and he does it for himself, as he doesnt to my knowledge hand over any of his records when we buy and sell.

As far as mods and such, unless its something crazy awesome, which it never is, I'm not paying more than a vehicle books just because you think you should make some money back that you put into it. Cars arent houses, they dont appreciate. They depreciate. (Again, unless its something insane, like an original Shelby racing Cobra or something along those lines.)

It is important if it saves me time when deciding whether to buy someone's car. No matter which make & model I'm looking for, there's always several of them being sold in my local area. Asking about service history is one way to whittle down the options and save time, rather than going over to everyone's house.

Now thats a valid point. If you are into whittling them down. But if its something that speaks to your soul and you just gotta have it and no one else has one, are you going to refuse to buy it because they couldnt provide records?

[Trip]

Yeah, just ask Drewpy.

tee hee. :lol:

I wouldn't call Drewpy's choice "the most well kept." Bart is pretty hard on his stuff. :lol:

[anthonyk]

It is important if it saves me time when deciding whether to buy someone's car. No matter which make & model I'm looking for, there's always several of them being sold in my local area. Asking about service history is one way to whittle down the options and save time, rather than going over to everyone's house.

Well shit, if we all kept service records, it wouldn't save you any time would it? :lol:

[Mr Lefty]

Until you try and sell it.

You guys think it's not important because none of the buyers you've had so far have seemed like they cared. But that doesn't prove nobody cares.

Pretty sure that Camry has a timing belt, right? If so, it would be scheduled for replacement every 75-90K miles. Meaning that when you bought it at 165K, it probably was due for its second replacement. It would certainly save you money and time if it had already been done. And if in fact that's what the owner told you, wouldn't you like to see some verification of it? Otherwise you are simply taking his word.

Same with clutches. If I'm looking at a car that old, and its clutch has recently been replaced, that's a potential advantage in my eyes. But if it can't be proven, it's not an advantage anymore.

Two different Camry's, same condition, same amount of miles.......If one can show that it's timing belt & clutch had been recently replaced, I'd be willing to pay $500 more for it.

problem... you can inspect the timing belt on a camry just by taking of a piece of plastic. who cares if they replaced it or not, proof or not, it's something I'd inspect... and even if they had proof that it was changed 5 miles ago... if it looks bad I'll replace it again.

I go by what MY inspection shows... I could care less what is said to be done... receipt or no.

[Flexin]

Until you try and sell it.

You guys think it's not important because none of the buyers you've had so far have seemed like they cared. But that doesn't prove nobody cares.

Pretty sure that Camry has a timing belt, right? If so, it would be scheduled for replacement every 75-90K miles. Meaning that when you bought it at 165K, it probably was due for its second replacement. It would certainly save you money and time if it had already been done. And if in fact that's what the owner told you, wouldn't you like to see some verification of it? Otherwise you are simply taking his word.

Same with clutches. If I'm looking at a car that old, and its clutch has recently been replaced, that's a potential advantage in my eyes. But if it can't be proven, it's not an advantage anymore.

Two different Camry's, same condition, same amount of miles.......If one can show that it's timing belt & clutch had been recently replaced, I'd be willing to pay $500 more for it.

Even with that paper you can't really prove much. You also don't know the condition. If you want to keep this car for a long time you might be better off setting your budget and offer on that car with the plans on replacing that part. That way you know for sure that it was done. The part now has 0 hours and miles on it.

Thats the same advise that I got from a dealer when I asked about a used Blaster that they were not selling. He said to change the piston and rings. He said I don't care if they said they did it yesterday, you will want to replace them as soon as you buy it. Would have saved a lot of money if I had listened to him.

James

[Flexin]

So on the one hand, you guys are saying proof of maintenance isn't important, yet on the other hand you're saying you'd call a shop to find out if it's been maintained. Which is it?

I think most are saying a piece of paper don't mean shit. But talking to the guy that does the work does.

You have to remember that a part can be put in by a good shop and replaced later by a friend as well.

You know what they say, Buyer beware.

James

[Flexin]

It is important if it saves me time when deciding whether to buy someone's car. No matter which make & model I'm looking for, there's always several of them being sold in my local area. Asking about service history is one way to whittle down the options and save time, rather than going over to everyone's house.

Forget saving time. How about saving money? Ask your questions by email or by phone and decide which ones to go look at. Don't go by a piece of paper. Any papers that make the car look bad can be tossed in the garbage. Now the car looks like a great car that was well taking care of.

Look at the car yourself and decide. Going in knowing what things cost can also help when your deciding what to pay.

James

[Tmall]

Forget saving time. How about saving money? Ask your questions by email or by phone and decide which ones to go look at. Don't go by a piece of paper. Any papers that make the car look bad can be tossed in the garbage. Now the car looks like a great car that was well taking care of.

Look at the car yourself and decide. Going in knowing what things cost can also help when your deciding what to pay.

James

Another great point..

On my Buell I had the; ECM, Front brake rotor, Front motor mount, Exhaust vv solenoid, belt, rear tail light assembly, steering head bearings, and AFV sensor all replaced under warranty. (I'm sure there are one or two things I'm forgetting)

If you didn't know better, you would think I had abused the bike. And that just wasn't the case. I was above and beyond on my maintenance. The only thing I didn't do before schedule was change the fork oil.

By the time it was done, everything that could go wrong had and it had been fixed. So essentially, somebody would be buying the most trouble free Buell on the market. But, if they were a service record nazi they'd have missed out on a 100% problem free bike. They'd likely think it was a POS instead of, "All the wrinkles have been ironed out"....

[Homeslice]

Forget saving time. How about saving money? Ask your questions by email or by phone and decide which ones to go look at. Don't go by a piece of paper. Any papers that make the car look bad can be tossed in the garbage. Now the car looks like a great car that was well taking care of.

Look at the car yourself and decide. Going in knowing what things cost can also help when your deciding what to pay.

James
I narrow it down to people who appear professional and well-written. Saying they know what's been done to it and have all the documentation helps. Maybe it sounds elitist, but I'll skip the ads written by people who have problems with English. 9 times out of 10 it's some 19-yr old punk who abused the car. I also avoid ads that only have a 1 line description, with tiny low-res photos. That just forces me to ask more questions about what kind of options it has, etc. And then when they reply I have to try and match up their email with the right car. Sometimes you can't, because the link to the ad isn't in their email.

[Flexin]

I narrow it down to people who appear professional and well-written. Saying they know what's been done to it and have all the documentation helps. Maybe it sounds elitist, but I'll skip the ads written by people who have problems with English. 9 times out of 10 it's some 19-yr old punk who abused the car. I also avoid ads that only have a 1 line description, with tiny low-res photos. That just forces me to ask more questions about what kind of options it has, etc. And then when they reply I have to try and match up their email with the right car. Sometimes you can't, because the link to the ad isn't in their email.

I would think most would do that. But the bottom line is how does the car run, drive, feel and look? Because I'm not buying a piece of paper I'm buying a car. For you it might help ease your mind. For me I don't trust the paper work and want to focus on the car itself. If someone was pushing the paper work a lot I think I would walk. To me it would seem like they are hiding something. If they just happened to have the paper work and mention it then thats fine. Chances are I'm not even going to look at the paper work. I would ask what was done but in most cases I don't even think I would look at it.

James

[101lifts2]

....I've interviewed, managed, and sold enough people over the years to tell with freakishly good accuracy, when someone is lying... ...

I'm Jesus Christ. Wanna buy a bridge?

[Rangerscott]

I'm Jesus Christ. Wanna buy a bridge?

As long as it's made of toothpicks.


I refill the gas tank when it gets low. Isn't that maintenance enough?