Resistance was futile....

[KSGregman]

I've had my eye on this car for last 3 months....it was love at first sight after driving a '69 Camaro all through high school and college.

It took a bit to get THIS particular option set up to Wichita....but...it's here...the deal is done....and it is HELLA fun to drive. 6.2L, 426 HP, 6 speed manual with the Hurst short throw shifter makes me chuckle every time I give it some. :lmao: :lol:

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w9/KSGregman/new_car.jpg

[Tmall]

This is a very Facebook like post. Perhaps you should tag some friends in your Facebook like post..

Aside from that, nice effing car.. :thumb

[RACER X]

NICE!

we're thinking of getting Z one, but she really wants a convert. but at $47k, not likely gonna happen.

[KSGregman]

This is a very Facebook like post. Perhaps you should tag some friends in your Facebook like post..

Aside from that, nice effing car.. :thumb

Shhhhhh....I'm "making friends." :lol

[RACER X]

camaro vs wife

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2010-Camaro-SS-/170650112633?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27bb8a1279&clk_rvr_id=238545857467#ht_4311wt_1165&clk_rvr_id=239772455936

[derf]

This is a very Facebook like post. Perhaps you should tag some friends in your Facebook like post..

Aside from that, nice effing car.. :thumb



http://techliberation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/facebook_like_button_big.jpg

[Particle Man]

Freaking SWEET
Congrats!

[Avatard]

That's more car than you could possibly handle.

Give it to me.

Awesome purchase.

[KSGregman]

That's more car than you could possibly handle.

Give it to me.

Awesome purchase.

Hehehe....nah.....I'm stuck in Kansas...there are PLENTY of wicked rural areas around here for it to be driven like it was INTENDED to be driven with plenty of margin of error....from both over driving....and the law. :lmao:

It's everything my '69 was....except MORE....MORE power...MORE handling...MORE braking...and MORE comfort...just an AMAZING car.

To say I LOVE it would be a truly EPIC understatement.

[Avatard]

Damage out the door for such bliss?

[Captain Morgan]

Sweet car. I'd love to have a silver one, but don't see it in my future. Too many other things to take care of in life.

[Gas Man]

Nice car for a GM

Love the ebay auction car vs wife!!!

[101lifts2]

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooohhhhhhhhh.

Very sweet.

What's the damage? Bought or leased?

[VatorMan]

Nice car !! Do yourself a favor and get some Bilstein Sport shocks. The OEM shocks let it wallow like a pig around corners.

The Camaro interior is MILES ahead of my Corvette. :td:

[azoomm]

I think it goes well with the bike... :wink:

[the chi]

Did you test drive the auto as well? If so how did it compare?

I was looking at them the other day, considering one but after driving the 6 and the 8 auto, they left me completely cold. And of course no local dealers had a manual. I mean really, who buys these things AUTO?!?!

The look of the car is great, and I love the design of the convertible, but I want the power its purported to have...and didnt find in the few I drove.

[Gas Man]

Did you test drive the auto as well? If so how did it compare?

I was looking at them the other day, considering one but after driving the 6 and the 8 auto, they left me completely cold. And of course no local dealers had a manual. I mean really, who buys these things AUTO?!?!

The look of the car is great, and I love the design of the convertible, but I want the power its purported to have...and didnt find in the few I drove.
You would be surprised! I'm with you. Get it in an auto and you're a douche!! Sportscar and muscle cars should be a manual or a stick.

I ran into the same problem with Challengers... 4 dealers and none had a Challenger RT in a stick shift. When I told them that was stupid, they looked at me like I sprouted a 3rd head. I told them I want a "drivers car" not some F'in slush box.

[the chi]

Slush box would be a good description of the Camera auto to me. Felt like driving my moms old crown vic WITHOUT any power. Yuck.

[Avatard]

You would be surprised! I'm with you. Get it in an auto and you're a douche!! Sportscar and muscle cars should be a manual or a stick.

I ran into the same problem with Challengers... 4 dealers and none had a Challenger RT in a stick shift. When I told them that was stupid, they looked at me like I sprouted a 3rd head. I told them I want a "drivers car" not some F'in slush box.

MOPAR guys. 727 disease. Ever notice there's a lot of auto MOPARS?

Don't know what it is with MOPAR guys, but they don't really seem to know how to shift their own gears. They should change the logo to a rainbow.

[KSGregman]

I test drove the 6 speed manual with the V8....it was an 2SS convertible....bad ASS car....but...I'm just not in to the convertible thing.

I got the 1SS with the RS kit and the interior components that I wanted....Boston Acoustic sound system and the Hurst short throw shifter....I prefer fabric seats rather than leather...and didn't care about the "supplementary gauges" or HUD that was the included in the 2SS package. All a matter of personal preference, I guess. And I'm with you guys....I don't understand people who buy neutered "muscle cars".....V8.....6 speed manual....or it's NOT a muscle car anymore. LOL

It's funny....had been drooling ovah the car for months....was out on my bike in Old Town and heard a beast sounding rumble at a stop light....dude in a car just like mine looks ovah and says...pull into this QT...I wanna check out your bike..that is bad ass. I was like....for real...I wanna check out your car....IT is bad ass. That was a Thursday night...I was in the dealer making the deal Friday. And I bought it, 101....no lease. Made a pretty fair deal, I think.

They had to go get the car from a dealer in Green Bay, WI....so it added a week to the wait...but...totally worth it. Gonna try to focus on work today rather than all the goodies I want to get for the car....but....probably know how that will end up. :lmao:

I think it goes well with the bike... :wink:


Stuff a giant motor in it.....paint it black...and I'm usually hooked. :rofl:

[LeeNetworX]

Beautiful car. Would love the opportunity to drive one; I keep trying to talk friends and family into buying one when they say they are looking for a new vehicle. :lol

[Particle Man]

Beautiful car. Would love the opportunity to drive one; I keep trying to talk friends and family into buying one when they say they are looking for a new vehicle. :lol

:lol: I do the exact same thing

[Dave]

Did you test drive the auto as well? If so how did it compare?

I was looking at them the other day, considering one but after driving the 6 and the 8 auto, they left me completely cold. And of course no local dealers had a manual. I mean really, who buys these things AUTO?!?!

The look of the car is great, and I love the design of the convertible, but I want the power its purported to have...and didnt find in the few I drove.

You can't be surprised, its over 4000 pounds

[Dave]

You would be surprised! I'm with you. Get it in an auto and you're a douche!! Sportscar and muscle cars should be a manual or a stick.

I ran into the same problem with Challengers... 4 dealers and none had a Challenger RT in a stick shift. When I told them that was stupid, they looked at me like I sprouted a 3rd head. I told them I want a "drivers car" not some F'in slush box.

Another heavy pig

[Dave]

MOPAR guys. 727 disease. Ever notice there's a lot of auto MOPARS?

Don't know what it is with MOPAR guys, but they don't really seem to know how to shift their own gears. They should change the logo to a rainbow.

Same can be said about turbo 350s :rolleyes:

[Particle Man]

You can't be surprised, its over 4000 pounds

Another heavy pig

Same can be said about turbo 350s :rolleyes:
your multi-quote button busted? :lol:

[Avatard]

Same can be said about turbo 350s :rolleyes:

Nope, wrong, it can't. The vast majority of performance optioned Chevys in 68-72 had Muncies. The majority of performance optioned MOPARs of the period had slush boxes.

The slush boxes didn't dominate the Chevy performance lineup until the later 70s, and by then the performance era was essentially over...a huge number of Turbo 350 Late 75-82 Vettes were two pedal cars.

[Dave]

your multi-quote button busted? :lol:

No such thing on mobile

[Apoc]

Sweet ride. Grats.

[Gas Man]

Another heavy pig
And why I ultimately didn't pursue the car. After driving smaller more precise cars, it would be a big sloppy car.

[Avatard]

Another heavy pig

Waddaya want? They based the stupid thing on the fucking 300 sedan chassis.

[VatorMan]

Nice car !! Do yourself a favor and get some Bilstein Sport shocks. The OEM shocks let it wallow like a pig around corners.

The Camaro interior is MILES ahead of my Corvette. :td:

THIS. I know a bit about these cars. CHANGE THE SHOCKS TO A DIFFERENT RATE.

[Dave]

Waddaya want? They based the stupid thing on the fucking 300 sedan chassis.

Same car in 3/4 scale lol

[Avatard]

Same car in 3/4 scale lol

Personally, I'd like to section it, channel it; take at least 4 inches out of the whole thing, just below the beltline. I think it would look far more like the original Challenger, and make it lose that visual "fat" look it seems to have gained in its current iteration.

[Dave]

Personally, I'd like to section it, channel it; take at least 4 inches out of the whole thing, just below the beltline. I think it would look far more like the original Challenger, and make it lose that visual "fat" look it seems to have gained in its current iteration.

I really don't mind the look, just the size. It really irks me that when the three players behind the 2.4 gema turbo engines decided who got what layout fucking hyundai got rwd while dodge got fwd. And to make shit worse they put their engine in a ugly box

[RACER X]

of the 153 '10-11 camaro SS's on ebay, 101 are auto. 52 stick

same w/ vette's, more auto's sell then sticks

[Avatard]

Since the mid 70s, yes...as I said before. 68-72 Chevrolet performance cars seem to have come equipped with stickshifts in far greater numbers than Ford or Mopar cars of the same era, however.

I'd be willing to bet that much is even still the case. Go run the numbers on eBay for the new Mustang, and I'll bet it's far worse than 2:1 in favor of complete automotive gayness.

[RACER X]

reads like the shop togo to for 'stuff'

real close to my parents house, lol


http://www.latemodelracecraft.com/Online_Store/GM/Chevy/Camaro-Firebird/2010+/cam10.html

alot of youtube vid on their cars

[Homeslice]

Charger = big boat.

THIS is what it COULD have been:

[Avatard]

Charger = big boat.

THIS is what it COULD have been:

I like this guy's concept:

http://www.smcars.net/forums/attachments/work-progress-rendering-animation/116721d1294891936-charger-concept-charger17.jpg

[the chi]

Since the mid 70s, yes...as I said before. 68-72 Chevrolet performance cars seem to have come equipped with stickshifts in far greater numbers than Ford or Mopar cars of the same era, however.

I'd be willing to bet that much is even still the case. Go run the numbers on eBay for the new Mustang, and I'll bet it's far worse than 2:1 in favor of complete automotive gayness.


I'm gonna blame salesmen for that. :lol:

Went by Ford yesterday, want to test drive the new 8, they have NOTHING in stock at all. Told me he'd call me when they got some in, then asked if I had a preference on manual or auto. I asked him why exactly would I want a muscle car in automatic. Tells me thats by far what everyone wants. Maybe if the salesmen would explain to ppl that its sacrilege and they should be repeatedly run over by their own auto sportscar for getting it in auto it wouldnt be such a trend. :lol: But thats only my opinion.

Test drove the VW EOS, its a frat girl car.

I am still loving the looks and the interior feel of the Camaro best, if only I could get my hands on a decent one to test drive.

[KSGregman]

Maybe if the salesmen would explain to ppl that its sacrilege and they should be repeatedly run over by their own auto sportscar for getting it in auto it wouldnt be such a trend. :lol: But thats only my opinion.

Werd. :rockwoot:


I am still loving the looks and the interior feel of the Camaro best, if only I could get my hands on a decent one to test drive.

The black 2SS convertible, V8 6 speed manual with the Hurst shifter I test drove is still sitting on the show room floor here in Wichita. :lol

[the chi]

I hate you dude. :lol: Seriously. We drove all OVER this area this weekend. No one has anything. At all. And every Camaro or Mustang was a 6 and auto. Or sold.

*goes to price tickets to Wichita...*

[KSGregman]

We drove all OVER this area this weekend. No one has anything. At all. And every Camaro or Mustang was a 6 and auto. Or sold.

They have a white V8 convertible....1SS....auto....and a lime green 1SS....auto....shameful.

What is the mattah with people?

[the chi]

No appreciation for what the auto really is man. No appreciation. Or knowledge. And apparently no one knows how to drive a stick anymore. I was actually asked if someone could convert a BIKE into AUTO cuz he couldnt drive manual trans and didnt want to learn.

Like the dude around here driving the Shelby 500 GT, AUTO. And doesnt even know what he's got, just that it "looks" cool. *cry*

[Trip]

Seriously, this is a pet peeve of mine. You fuckers aren't going to drive the cars like they "ARE MEANT TO BE" driven even with a fucking stick. Shut the fuck up. These people want these cars cause they like them. You are no fucking better. Shut the fuck up douchebags.

[the chi]

You shut the fuck up douchebag. We have just as much right to bitch about that as you do to bitch about us.

[Trip]

You shut the fuck up douchebag. We have just as much right to bitch about that as you do to bitch about us.

You can bitch all you want, it still doesn't make you right. It just makes you wrong and more wrong as you go along. And no matter how much bitching you do, you are wanting to buy one of these cars because they are "cool" as well.

These muscle cars do not fit a great functional purpose on the road. It isn't even close to the best track car out there, so it serves no point in being just a track whore, especially in a brand new state. It's main function is to make the owner "look cool." So in essence the person with the auto Shelby bought the car for it's most intended purpose.

[KSGregman]

Seriously, this is a pet peeve of mine. You fuckers aren't going to drive the cars like they "ARE MEANT TO BE" driven even with a fucking stick. Shut the fuck up. These people want these cars cause they like them. You are no fucking better. Shut the fuck up douchebags.

Dad nevah taught you to drive a stick, eh? Stuck driving your old ladys 4 cylinder Civic automatic?

Don't worry about it....you're secret is safe with us. :lmao:

[the chi]

You can bitch all you want, it still doesn't make you right. It just makes you wrong and more wrong as you go along. And no matter how much bitching you do, you are wanting to buy one of these cars because they are "cool" as well.

These muscle cars do not fit a great functional purpose on the road. It isn't even close to the best track car out there, so it serves no point in being just a track whore, especially in a brand new state. It's main function is to make the owner "look cool." So in essence the person with the auto Shelby bought the car for it's most intended purpose.

And you can argue all you want, but it doesnt make you right or me wrong. Thats why its called OPINION. Reading comprehension FTMFW douchenozzle.

Tells me thats by far what everyone wants... But thats only my opinion.

It doesnt matter if we take it to the track or not, it was built to embody the old school muscle car imagery and feel...and thus what some of us, who appreciate a fine car (which we already know YOU DONT) want in a vehicle like that.

Soooo, if you dont like reading us bitching and moaning about it, get the fuck outta the thread. :shrug:

[Trip]

Dad nevah taught you to drive a stick, eh? Stuck driving your old ladys 4 cylinder Civic automatic?

Don't worry about it....you're secret is safe with us. :lmao:

My first car was manual, the truck I owned the longest was also a manual. I can drive a stick. Oh, and I can flat out beat the shit out of you on a motorcycle as well. Does it mean I am better than you? Fuck no. Does it mean anything? Fuck no.

I owned a 4 cylinder piece of crap auto civic for a long time. It was functional, got me from A to B, and got great gas mileage because of my long 50+ mile commute. The truck I own now is auto 4 cylinder. I don't need a stick truck or a MONSTER engine. I don't carry any load or use the truck in a manner that would require more. I buy automobiles that are functional in a price range I can buy without needing a loan. Plus, I don't have to prove my dick is big or that I am "cool."

[VatorMan]

I hate you dude. :lol: Seriously. We drove all OVER this area this weekend. No one has anything. At all. And every Camaro or Mustang was a 6 and auto. Or sold.

*goes to price tickets to Wichita...*

http://criswellchevrolet.com/New-Inventory.aspx?InventoryId=35545127

Local dealer has a couple.

BTW Trip-If it wasn't for regular people buying these cars, there'd be no cars to track.

[Trip]

And you can argue all you want, but it doesnt make you right or me wrong. Thats why its called OPINION. Reading comprehension FTMFW douchenozzle.



It doesnt matter if we take it to the track or not, it was built to embody the old school muscle car imagery and feel...and thus what some of us, who appreciate a fine car (which we already know YOU DONT) want in a vehicle like that.

Soooo, if you dont like reading us bitching and moaning about it, get the fuck outta the thread. :shrug:

Actually it is not opinion. It's truth. You bitching about someone's choice is wrong. There is no opinion to that. It's that person's choice. They are right in their opinion and choice. You are wrong for forcing your opinion on them.

You aren't appreciating a fine car, if you were, you would buy the 60's version that actual car buffs like instead of the shitty fat carbon copy. I love old cars, you know shit about what I think about sportscars if you are basing it on my choice of cars for daily use. I choose functional for daily use. I do not go out and get myself in debt for play toys. It's just not something I do.

I don't have to get the fuck out of the thread. If you don't like my opinion, get the fuck off my board.

BTW Trip-If it wasn't for regular people buying these cars, there'd be no cars to track.

If it wasn't for John Smith buying up the auto versions, there really wouldn't be all that much market for the other version either. Which would mean they wouldn't make these or they would be priced out of the range of the average buyer.

[the chi]

Sorry Trip, you lose this one. You arent even making sense.

Its my opinion its stupid to buy a auto sports car. Im not forcing that down anyones throat. We are having a discussion here of like minded individuals that all feel its not right to have an auto sports car, regardless of year or model.

We arent attacking anyone who bought an auto sports car, or calling them nasty names like you have done to us, we are just lamenting what we feel is a wrong choice. You are the one attacking and being a douche.

We cant help it if you dont agree or are having a shitty day and decide to be an asshole to us. It doesnt make our OPINION any more right to us, or wrong to you. Just makes you look like a giant bag of dick.

[KSGregman]

Oh, and I can flat out beat the shit out of you on a motorcycle as well.

Hypocrite much? Rail on Chi for making assumptions....voicing opinions....and spout off with this? You don't know me from Adam....so...you are either arrogant enough to belive you are bettah than ANYONE else....or you are spouting bullshit. Honestly not bothered eithah way.

I owned a 4 cylinder piece of crap auto civic for a long time. It was functional, got me from A to B, and got great gas mileage because of my long 50+ mile commute. The truck I own now is auto 4 cylinder. I don't need a stick truck or a MONSTER engine. I don't carry any load or use the truck in a manner that would require more. I buy automobiles that are functional in a price range I can buy without needing a loan. Plus, I don't have to prove my dick is big or that I am "cool."

My wife has a nice Civic...4 cyclinder...4 door...very economical and functional....we drive it on trips...and she likes it to and from work and around town. Comfortable enough and easy on the gas. Me? I'm not hurting for money and I like toys....And you know what? I flog the piss out of the toys I own...to prove something to you or anyone else? No....I don't give a fuck about you....or anyone else. I do it because *I* want to....because *I* can.

[shmike]

Sorry Trip, you lose this one. You arent even making sense.

Its my opinion its stupid to buy a auto sports car. Im not forcing that down anyones throat. We are having a discussion here of like minded individuals that all feel its not right to have an auto sports car, regardless of year or model.

We arent attacking anyone who bought an auto sports car, or calling them nasty names like you have done to us, we are just lamenting what we feel is a wrong choice. You are the one attacking and being a douche.

We cant help it if you dont agree or are having a shitty day and decide to be an asshole to us. It doesnt make our OPINION any more right to us, or wrong to you. Just makes you look like a giant bag of dick.

Please don't call any of the throw back American 2 doors "sports cars".

[the chi]

http://criswellchevrolet.com/New-Inventory.aspx?InventoryId=35545127

Local dealer has a couple.

BTW Trip-If it wasn't for regular people buying these cars, there'd be no cars to track.


Duuuude, killing me. Thats in MD!! Other than the color, looks spectacular.

Oh wait, Trip might get angry with me because I HATE Red. And he may not like that I dont think exactly like he does.

Red is the worst color ever, it makes me want to run out and stomp baby seals...

not.

:lol:

Honestly, as bright as the green they have is, Im kinda digging it. I love the metallic flash. Of course there are a couple in my area, all 6 autos and hard top. I havent researched it, but anyone know off hand if they make the convertible in green?

[the chi]

Please don't call any of the throw back American 2 doors "sports cars".

Its a generic term dear...dont get your panties in a wad. Technically I think they still qualify, even if they dont make the heart go "thump" like the originals.

There's a local guy here, he's got a whole stable of rebuilt/all original muscle cars, specializing in the late 60's early 70's fastback mustangs...be still my heart...i love seeing his cars out and about. If I had the time and energy...one day maybe I can convince hubby to buy me one to fix up. Course Im sure I'll have to be old and retired before I have the time to invest in that...

[Trip]

Sorry Trip, you lose this one. You arent even making sense.

Its my opinion its stupid to buy a auto sports car. Im not forcing that down anyones throat. We are having a discussion here of like minded individuals that all feel its not right to have an auto sports car, regardless of year or model.

We arent attacking anyone who bought an auto sports car, or calling them nasty names like you have done to us, we are just lamenting what we feel is a wrong choice. You are the one attacking and being a douche.

We cant help it if you dont agree or are having a shitty day and decide to be an asshole to us. It doesnt make our OPINION any more right to us, or wrong to you. Just makes you look like a giant bag of dick.

Sorry, I don't.

You were looking down at the dude who owns the Shelby. He can go out and buy an Aprilia that comes OEM auto, BTW.

Lots of people don't want to deal with what they consider a hassle of a manual. A lot of the old timers and middle age folk that buy these cars, aren't going to see how fast they can make it to the pharmacy to pick up their hip medication. They buy them cause they look "cool" and remind them of their youth. There are a lot of reasons why auto is a perfectly acceptable choice (including the company that is making them will make a shit ton more money if they offer both.) Complaining about cars coming in both auto and manual is just plain dumb and you will always be in the wrong for that one.

I am actually having a good day.

[OneSickPsycho]

Well fuck all of you.

[anthonyk]

We arent attacking anyone who bought an auto sports car, or calling them nasty names like you have done to us, we are just lamenting what we feel is a wrong choice. You are the one attacking and being a douche.

Eh, "lamenting" someone's "wrong" choice for buying a "shameful" version of an automobile they apparently have "no appreciation for"...

That's pretty much calling anyone who chooses a muscle car with an auto a douche. Maybe not in so many words, but still...

You can talk about how you don't understand the choice, without belittling it. And as a bonus, you can even stay on that high horse that way.

[Homeslice]

Since the mid 70s, yes...as I said before. 68-72 Chevrolet performance cars seem to have come equipped with stickshifts in far greater numbers than Ford or Mopar cars of the same era, however.

I'd be willing to bet that much is even still the case. Go run the numbers on eBay for the new Mustang, and I'll bet it's far worse than 2:1 in favor of complete automotive gayness.

Disagree. During the 80's Chevy wouldn't give you a stick shift with the 350. They'd only give it with the 305. Ghey. Meanwhile, Mustangs have always had stick shifts available with the top engines.

[Homeslice]

I owned a 4 cylinder piece of crap auto civic for a long time. It was functional, got me from A to B, and got great gas mileage because of my long 50+ mile commute. The truck I own now is auto 4 cylinder. I don't need a stick truck or a MONSTER engine. I don't carry any load or use the truck in a manner that would require more. I buy automobiles that are functional in a price range I can buy without needing a loan. Plus, I don't have to prove my dick is big or that I am "cool."
If you don't carry a big load with your truck, why bother getting an auto? An auto truck is good for hauling heavy loads.......If you're not doing that, why not get a manual?

[Avatard]

My first car was manual, the truck I owned the longest was also a manual. I can drive a stick. Oh, and I can flat out beat the shit out of you on a motorcycle as well. Does it mean I am better than you? Fuck no. Does it mean anything? Fuck no.

I owned a 4 cylinder piece of crap auto civic for a long time. It was functional, got me from A to B, and got great gas mileage because of my long 50+ mile commute. The truck I own now is auto 4 cylinder. I don't need a stick truck or a MONSTER engine. I don't carry any load or use the truck in a manner that would require more. I buy automobiles that are functional in a price range I can buy without needing a loan. Plus, I don't have to prove my dick is big or that I am "cool."

I'll be honest Trip, for me, none of this is a penis extension, or to make me "cool". I just hate driving underpowered cars (got into musclecars early), and hate the lack of control you have in an automatic.

I used to think this lack of control was just when *I* was at the controls.

An Ex-GF from Brazil had a Honda Fit. I always felt rather unsafe in it. She had a slushbox in it. Took it to the dealer for service one day, and the dealer gave us a lift home in the shop vehicle; another Fit, this one with a stick.

Mind you, the guy drove like a nut, but I was still totally comfortable in the car, and it didn't feel like it was careening out of control, as I had felt with the auto-equipped car.

The lack of control was actually palpable from the passenger seat for me.

[Trip]

If you don't carry a big load with your truck, why bother getting an auto? An auto truck is good for hauling heavy loads.......If you're not doing that, why not get a manual?

functional, I also use it for commuting. Auto is one less thing I have to deal with in the car.

I'll be honest Trip, for me, none of this is a penis extension, or to make me "cool". I just hate driving underpowered cars (got into musclecars early), and hate the lack of control you have in an automatic.

I used to think this lack of control was just when *I* was at the controls.

An Ex-GF from Brazil had a Honda Fit. I always felt rather unsafe in it. She had a slushbox in it. Took it to the dealer for service one day, and the dealer gave us a lift home in the shop vehicle; another Fit, this one with a stick.

Mind you, the guy drove like a nut, but I was still totally comfortable in the car, and it didn't feel like it was careening out of control, as I had felt with the auto-equipped car.

The lack of control was actually palpable from the passenger seat for me.

Unsafe and you ride a motorcycle, makes sense.... Most muscle cars have never been the most "controllable" cars either. So that blows that out of the water. You can get a little miata go cart that will corner on rails though.

Power is all about penis extension and being cool. If you just wanted to get from A to B safely, efficiently, and reliably; there is much more options for that in the lack of power department. Much more reasonably priced as well. You can argue against it all you want, but it will always be an image thing.

[Avatard]

Unsafe and you ride a motorcycle, makes sense....

But I wouldn't ride an automatic motorcycle...that's just craziness, right there.

:lmao:

[Avatard]

You can get a little miata go cart that will corner on rails though.


Yeah man, but that's really not the same thing as being able to steer with the throttle...and for me, that's the magic that makes it worthwhile.

[Trip]

But I wouldn't ride an automatic motorcycle...that's just craziness, right there.

:lmao:

I have ridden the Aprilia Mana, it wasn't that bad. The semi auto CRF50s are pretty controllable too.

[Trip]

Yeah man, but that's really not the same thing as being able to steer with the throttle...and for me, that's the magic that makes it worthwhile.

So do you regularly drive around the streets of New Jersey like that?

[KSGregman]

Power is all about penis extension and being cool. If you just wanted to get from A to B safely, efficiently, and reliably; there is much more options for that in the lack of power department. Much more reasonably priced as well. You can argue against it all you want, but it will always be an image thing.

Is an opinion.....as is "people who drive neutered performance cars are cock gobbling little girly men."

Apparently expressing YOUR opinion is ok....and it's not ok for anyone else. Nice god-complex you've got going there....you're board, and all...but that's honestly full of shit.

In any event, you are overlooking the most important part of a driving a powerful car.....it's FUN.

[Trip]

Is an opinion.....as is "people who drive neutered performance cars are cock gobbling little girly men."

Apparently expressing YOUR opinion is ok....and it's not ok for anyone else. Nice god-complex you've got going there....you're board, and all...but that's honestly full of shit.

In any event, you are overlooking the most important part of a driving a powerful car.....it's FUN.

Everything we do is an expression of image. That's part of life. Simple truth. Buying an underpowered car doesn't give off an alpha male expression, you are right.

I have not tried to stop you from expressing your opinion. She said if I didn't like ya'll comments to leave the thread. I told her if she didn't like mine, to leave the board. I have not stopped anyone's opinion. I have just expressed mine.

I have not overlooked that, there is a lot of people that find it just as FUN to drive one with an auto trans and get this at very slow speeds not taking advantage of any of that power.

That is what this is all about, you guys writing off people who have just as much fun in the same car with different options.

[azoomm]

I have ridden the Aprilia Mana, it wasn't that bad. The semi auto CRF50s are pretty controllable too.

Yes it was that bad... you know it was....

[Trip]

Yes it was that bad... you know it was....

I've ridden a lot worse. I honestly didn't think it was bad. My friend who owned it, rode it all the time and he has owned a ton of bikes.

[HurricaneHeather]

This thread got angry! :lol:

I would never own a Chevy myself (oh shit, did I just start a fight?), but I really like the new Camaro's look. Very sharp!

[Avatard]

In any event, you are overlooking the most important part of a driving a powerful car.....it's FUN.

Honestly, that's where it begins and ends for me. What I feel from the seat.

:shrug:

[the chi]

Is an opinion.....as is "people who drive neutered performance cars are cock gobbling little girly men."

Apparently expressing YOUR opinion is ok....and it's not ok for anyone else. Nice god-complex you've got going there....you're board, and all...but that's honestly full of shit.

In any event, you are overlooking the most important part of a driving a powerful car.....it's FUN.

Honestly, that's where it begins and ends for me. What I feel from the seat.

:shrug:

You guys said it, thats it exactly. Thats what the new autos are lacking. They arent fun, push you into the seat, tear loose the back tires and GO kinda fun unless they are manual and you have the control over it.

This thread got angry! :lol:

I would never own a Chevy myself (oh shit, did I just start a fight?), but I really like the new Camaro's look. Very sharp!

Run woman, before we run you over with an automatic transmission. :lol:

[Trip]

Hell, you can get more fun for a shitload cheaper/faster/better than a damn new gen Camaro, but it won't be as "pretty."

I am sure Avy knows what's up in this dept though.

[Homeslice]

Yeah man, but that's really not the same thing as being able to steer with the throttle...and for me, that's the magic that makes it worthwhile.

Don't know about the new ones, but the old ones were easily steered with the throttle. Consider how lightweight they were.

[Trip]

Oh and some Euro cars are faster with no clutch pedal at all. Humans can't shift as fast as computers. Paddles FTW.

[Homeslice]

Seriously, this is a pet peeve of mine. You fuckers aren't going to drive the cars like they "ARE MEANT TO BE" driven even with a fucking stick. Shut the fuck up. These people want these cars cause they like them. You are no fucking better. Shut the fuck up douchebags.

Why did you own a 600RR? You didn't ride that like it "WAS MEANT TO BE"

Unless you think you're Rossi, of course.

[Trip]

Why did you own a 600RR? You didn't ride that like it "WAS MEANT TO BE"

Unless you think you're Rossi, of course.

I am not the one complaining about people buying automatics. I don't care if they buy manuals or automatics. I don't care if a noob wants to go out and buy a Busa or a rich dad wants to go out and buy his daughter a $500k mercedes for her 16th birthday. I simply don't care what people buy for their choice of vehicle. These people apparently do worry if someone whats to go buy a Shelby with an auto transmission though.

[KSGregman]

I simply don't care what people buy for their choice of vehicle. These people apparently do worry if someone whats to go buy a Shelby with an auto transmission though.

Bullshit

You just got done saying that you could have more fun for less money buying something othah than a new generation Camaro. You do care....you think you're smarter than them....more fun less money blah blah blah....If you don't care what they buy, why voice the OPINION?

If you're gonna be an argumentative douche bag...at LEAST be fucking consistent in the douche-baggery....otherwise it just makes you seem kinda gimp....all jealous and petty like. :lmao:

[Trip]

Bullshit

You just got done saying that you could have more fun for less money buying something othah than a new generation Camaro. You do care....you think you're smarter than them....more fun less money blah blah blah....If you don't care what they buy, why voice the OPINION?

If you're gonna be an argumentative douche bag...at LEAST be fucking consistent in the douche-baggery....otherwise it just makes you seem kinda gimp....all jealous and petty like. :lmao:

Because we were talking about image. There is two different topics going on now. Keep the fuck up. If you don't care about image and just want something that is fun, you can get a fun car for cheap that has a ton of power, but isn't pretty.

The other topic is people buying autos and you not liking that.

I don't care that you own a Camaro. You wanted the car, you got it. Congrats. If Rae wants a Camaro and gets it, good for her too.

It's a pretty car, but if all you care about is FUN, you can get it without the image and cheaper.

And if someone wants the same car with an automatic, who gives a fuck? This makes you seem jealous, gimp, and extremely petty.

[Homeslice]

Oh and some Euro cars are faster with no clutch pedal at all. Humans can't shift as fast as computers. Paddles FTW.

I've driven paddle shift cars, they're fun for the first few days, then it gets boring. Are they better than an automatic, yes, but they're still not the same as a stick.

[Trip]

I've driven paddle shift cars, they're fun for the first few days, then it gets boring. Are they better than an automatic, yes, but they're still not the same as a stick.

They are still faster and have less power loss than a standard manual.

[Avatard]

So do you regularly drive around the streets of New Jersey like that?

Actually, there's a few corners that are among my favorites. The left at the end of my street is one. Hard downhill 270. On mornings when my kid was late and missed the bus, I used to drift it taking her to school, as there would usually be dew on the ground. The car does this maneuver with absolute total control, and complete lack of any drama, pivoting perfectly on its inside front wheel, and barely making a sound if throttle is applied judiciously. It's actually less dramatic than cornering normally, and cuts a much more precise arc.

It's also fun as fucking balls.

The truth is that HP induced throttle steer can be applied without tire noise or smoke, if done in a controlled manner. Proper use of the manual transmission allows you to maximize the throttle response by keeping the engine on the powerband to maximize your control. It's precision driving, and not everyone can do it, but I was raised playing with very fast cars, and I have a lot of experience steering with the back wheels. In many cases, I can move the car in a smaller area and with far more precision "with the throttle".

[Avatard]

They are still faster and have less power loss than a standard manual.

You're on crack. No auto is more efficient than a manual. At cruise, a manual has ZERO slip. Auto? Not so much, unless it has a lockup converter (which sucks). Remember; fluid coupler.

[Trip]

You're on crack. No auto is more efficient than a manual. At cruise, a manual has ZERO slip. Auto? Not so much, unless it has a lockup converter (which sucks). Remember; fluid coupler.

I am not talking about a standard auto. I am talking more about something like dual clutch sequential shift transmission. You lose power longer every time you shift with a manual. This combines the best of both.

[Avatard]

...And then, there's this:

http://www.twowheelfix.com/showpost.php?p=474867&postcount=1

Again, it's the fun from the seat that matters. I had to move the C4 vette the other day, and decided to blow the cobwebs off. This is priceless for lowering stress and maintaining sanity for me.

[Trip]

...And then, there's this:

http://www.twowheelfix.com/showpost.php?p=474867&postcount=1

Again, it's the fun from the seat that matters. I had to move the C4 vette the other day, and decided to blow the cobwebs off. This is priceless for lowering stress and maintaining sanity for me.

What if someone gets the same relaxation from an auto?

Remember that's what this is all about, you like manuals, other people like autos and don't get the hassle of manual. Does it really matter to you if someone gets the relaxation from something else?

It's not about what's best, it's about what someone wants... Some people just can't seem to grasp that... It's about image as well. Some people want a brand new camaro to ease their mind, others its a beater that's been suped up for the track.... Happiness can come from feeling like a badass on public roads with a brand new vette or from running a fast time in a 20 year old car. Is either better? NO, it's all what sets your mental image of yourself at ease.

[Avatard]

Dude, even my new Vette is over 15 years old. I'm not rich. Far from it.

I just can't drive a pedestrian car, it has to return enjoyment for me, at the seat of the pants level.

I'd be just as happy with a Mazda MX5 Miata.

















...if it had the Ford 302 kit in it from Monster Miata.

[Trip]

Dude, even my new vette is over 15 years old.

And I am not arguing which is better, manual vs auto. I am saying it doesn't really matter. If a person wants auto, who gives a fuck...

The other part of the argument is image, some people want a new car, some people only want old cars, some people don't give a shit as long as it runs. It's all an image all of these people want to display to others or to themselves. Image is in everything we do, even the stupid emo kids in the mall that want to be social outcasts care about the image they portray. We all care no matter how much we fight it, otherwise we would still be naked/standard uniform and have the same exact car/transport.

[Avatard]

Again, for me it is NOT image.

I'd be just as happy with the V8 Miata.

For me it's about power-to-weight ratios, control, response, and feel at the seat.

End of story. All else is both pretense, and bullshit.

That fucking Vette, btw, is the first fucking car I've ever even owned that had even fucking paint on it. I could give a flaming fuck about image.

[Trip]

Again, for me it is NOT image.

I'd be just as happy with the V8 Miata.

For me it's about power-to-weight ratios, control, response, and feel at the seat.

End of story. All else is both pretense, and bullshit.

That fucking Vette, btw, is the first fucking car I've ever even owned that had even fucking paint on it. I could give a flaming fuck about image.

That is an image you want to portray. Sorry, we all have an image of ourselves we want to portray. We aren't robots. We are humans. Well except for the Japanese. LOL

[KSGregman]

That is an image you want to portray. Sorry, we all have an image of ourselves we want to portray.

Preach it, BMW man....

I'm sure you bought it because it could get you from point a to point b with nothing in mind but fuel economy fun for the money blah blah blah.

You...are full of shit.

[Trip]

Preach it, BMW man....

I'm sure you bought it because it could get you from point a to point b with nothing in mind but fuel economy fun for the money blah blah blah.

You...are full of shit.

I said everyone, everyone includes me, asshat. I don't exclude myself from wanting to portray a certain image to myself or others. I proudly ride around with Starbucks on the back of my bike. I embrace my BMW image.

[Particle Man]

Thread lulz

[defector]

...

[derf]

can we debate the superiority of IRS suspension vs live axle after this ?

[Homeslice]

can we debate the superiority of IRS suspension vs live axle after this ?

IRS ownz, live axle blows

the only time live axle might be superior is drag racing.

[VatorMan]

My vette still has leaf springs.:rockwoot:

[Avatard]

can we debate the superiority of IRS suspension vs live axle after this ?

The live axle isn't bad in a high HP application, as long as you control hop with ladder bars IME. Until I had ladders in the Chevelle, it was admittedly pretty fucking ugly, though. Changed the fucking car. Made it much nicer.

That said, the IRS on the C4 is just damn nice. You can see in my burnout where I let off as I pass between my truck and garage, and the Vette, which had begun drifting to the right, snaps instantly back into line, with almost no over-rotation whatsoever.

Handles really nice, has great feedback, and not a horrible steering wheel given the fact that it has a fucking bag in it. Like I said, other than the bit of typical convertible cowl shake over rough shit (which can actually get fucking scary sometimes), it's rather nicely behaved. I dare say that the coupe would have none of this bad behavioral trait, and must be dead linear.

...and yes, it has a fiberglass leaf spring in it.

[Dave]

IRS ownz, live axle blows

the only time live axle might be superior is drag racing.

and drifting. :boobs: though to parallel what avy is saying theres nothing wrong with irs. the nsx slides just great suspended on 10k/12k monotube coilovers. countersteer is a ton of fun though since the engine is out back and shes the "manly' version with the manual steering rack

[goof2]

...if it had the Ford 302 kit in it from Monster Miata.

I like the LS based kits better, but to each their own.:shrug:

[Porkchop]

MOPAR guys. 727 disease. Ever notice there's a lot of auto MOPARS?

Don't know what it is with MOPAR guys, but they don't really seem to know how to shift their own gears. They should change the logo to a rainbow.

Manuals aren't even available on V6 Challengers. Which is funny because most companies put manuals in the basic or basic cars.

I like this guy's concept:

http://www.smcars.net/forums/attachments/work-progress-rendering-animation/116721d1294891936-charger-concept-charger17.jpg

What the Charger should have been. Two doors. They just used the Charger name to get sales by association with its roots. NOW, saying that... even though they are massively large vehicles, my buddy has an RT police edition, and the throaty V8 is pretty intoxicating. And comfortable to boot. Nothing like the 300C SRT8 I drove around in high school though... that was a monster.

I'm gonna blame salesmen for that. :lol:

Went by Ford yesterday, want to test drive the new 8, they have NOTHING in stock at all. Told me he'd call me when they got some in, then asked if I had a preference on manual or auto. I asked him why exactly would I want a muscle car in automatic. Tells me thats by far what everyone wants. Maybe if the salesmen would explain to ppl that its sacrilege and they should be repeatedly run over by their own auto sportscar for getting it in auto it wouldnt be such a trend. :lol: But thats only my opinion.

I am still loving the looks and the interior feel of the Camaro best, if only I could get my hands on a decent one to test drive.

Chi I just was at the Ford dealer the other day testing a manual v6. Yeah yeah... the v6 :whistle:. I would have never ever looked at a v6 until I got a ride in my boss' 2010 v6. He went ripping off and I had to look at him and say "this cant be the v6?". I can get into a lease for $210 a month, and it would save a ton of gas and ins. TONS of manual v8's around here though... I can't believe you're having trouble....

Seriously, this is a pet peeve of mine. You fuckers aren't going to drive the cars like they "ARE MEANT TO BE" driven even with a fucking stick. Shut the fuck up. These people want these cars cause they like them. You are no fucking better. Shut the fuck up douchebags.

Are you on your period? It seems like you have been pms-ing since you got back. Did reality hit when you realized you had to deal with us fuckers again??? :lol:

Well fuck all of you.

Well....... fuck you too.... redflip

You guys said it, thats it exactly. Thats what the new autos are lacking. They arent fun, push you into the seat, tear loose the back tires and GO kinda fun unless they are manual and you have the control over it.


I had a friend from the UK sum it up best when he visited the US. He said his rental car felt like driving in a video game. Turn the key, press the pedal and go. Just like pressing a button on a controller. No feel, no emotion. Just lazy disconnecion from the road. Whats funny is he doesnt even drive anything cool, just a very economical manual Mazda 2.

[Homeslice]

I had a friend from the UK sum it up best when he visited the US. He said his rental car felt like driving in a video game. Turn the key, press the pedal and go. Just like pressing a button on a controller. No feel, no emotion. Just lazy disconnecion from the road. Whats funny is he doesnt even drive anything cool, just a very economical manual Mazda 2.

Yet that Mazda 2 still has more road feel than 95% of anything America builds.

[pauldun170]

My problem with everyone buying automatics (that includes DSG) is that it makes it harder for me to get a manual. Manufacturers build what sells and since manuals don't sell well here....I'm screwed. Fortunately there are still some sticks out there but fucking dealers never stock em.

[Dave]

My problem with everyone buying automatics (that includes DSG) is that it makes it harder for me to get a manual. Manufacturers build what sells and since manuals don't sell well here....I'm screwed. Fortunately there are still some sticks out there but fucking dealers never stock em.

Exactly. Therefore is it not in our best interest to try and influence others transmission decisions?

[Trip]

Are you on your period? It seems like you have been pms-ing since you got back. Did reality hit when you realized you had to deal with us fuckers again??? :lol:

I had a friend from the UK sum it up best when he visited the US. He said his rental car felt like driving in a video game. Turn the key, press the pedal and go. Just like pressing a button on a controller. No feel, no emotion. Just lazy disconnecion from the road. Whats funny is he doesnt even drive anything cool, just a very economical manual Mazda 2.

Douche...lol

Well we don't have the same driving culture as Europe. Apples and Oranges. Average buyer here wants pure transportation (not talking about play toys just average use), Euros have much better mass transit systems and they use it, so driving can be a pure hobby for them.

[Particle Man]

Are you on your period? It seems like you have been pms-ing since you got back. Did reality hit when you realized you had to deal with us fuckers again??? :lol:


:lmao:

My problem with everyone buying automatics (that includes DSG) is that it makes it harder for me to get a manual. Manufacturers build what sells and since manuals don't sell well here....I'm screwed. Fortunately there are still some sticks out there but fucking dealers never stock em.

Yep

[Trip]

Exactly. Therefore is it not in our best interest to try and influence others transmission decisions?

You can try all you want, you won't get very far. People want to text/put on makeup/fuck off/multitask in America, you aren't going to make any headway.

[Dave]

You can try all you want, you won't get very far. People want to text/put on makeup/fuck off/multitask in America, you aren't going to make any headway.

I've already accepted this. Its very unlikely that I'll ever own a new car. Much easier to get what I want by piecing used cars together.

[VatorMan]

Douche...lol

Well we don't have the same driving culture as Europe. Apples and Oranges. Average buyer here wants pure transportation (not talking about play toys just average use), Euros have much better mass transit systems and they use it, so driving can be a pure hobby for them.

You're kidding right? Most Europeans have basic functional point A to point B vehicles. Sports cars and big sedans are the exception-not the rule. Gas is fuckin 6 dollars a gallon.

[shmike]

You're kidding right? Most Europeans have basic functional point A to point B vehicles. Sports cars and big sedans are the exception-not the rule. Gas is fuckin 6 dollars a gallon.

Right.

They drive manuals because they are cheaper and more efficient.

Americans drive autos because we care more about updating our Facebook status while driving than an extra $3 at the pump.

[smileyman]

I aint reading thru 12 pages to pose the question, the only question I want to know about it...

How intrusive is the skip shift feature? I read that the Stang, the Camaro, and the Challenger V8 manuals all have it, but to what extent??

[the chi]

Im not sure about that feature, but the paddle shifting on the steering wheel is horrific. Very rough and not anything close to doing it yourself with a regular stick shift.

[Avatard]

I aint reading thru 12 pages to pose the question, the only question I want to know about it...

How intrusive is the skip shift feature? I read that the Stang, the Camaro, and the Challenger V8 manuals all have it, but to what extent??

I have that shit in my 'Vette. It completely and totally sucks my ass. Wanna know why if you watch my burnout video, I have no fucking reverse lights? Because the guy in the shop I paid to stick a resistor into the connector to disarm that fucking shit put it in the wrong connector, thus disabling my reverse lights instead...and so the thing still steals the fucking stick outta my hand.

...and I got no fucking backup lights.

Horrible. If it can be disabled on the new shit, I'd be on that immediately.

As soon as I get a minute, that shit's going in the air, the the resistor put in the right fucking place. My C4 CAN be "fixed".

[Trip]

Im not sure about that feature, but the paddle shifting on the steering wheel is horrific. Very rough and not anything close to doing it yourself with a regular stick shift.

Not all of them, they are a shit ton faster than any human will ever be. If you want to race a F1 car, you will be using paddles.

[RACER X]

just stopped by at dealership ,

SS convert, stick, w/ RS & 2SS package was "only" $42.5k

only had 1 stick SS on the lot
6-7 converts

salesman said his guess was only 10% buy stick

honestly, while i like stick, the reality is 98% of the time she'll be trodding thru traffic, auto is much better for that.

[Trip]

honestly, while i like stick, the reality is 98% of the time she'll be trodding thru traffic, auto is much better for that.

Apparently you are a douche to these people...

[Apoc]

Not all of them, they are a shit ton faster than any human will ever be. If you want to race a F1 car, you will be using paddles.

First time in this thread I agree with you.

Paddle shift may not be as fun, but it is a helkl of a lot cleaner and makes for better timed shifts once your used to it.

[Dave]

First time in this thread I agree with you.

Paddle shift may not be as fun, but it is a helkl of a lot cleaner and makes for better timed shifts once your used to it.

Artificial inseminations a heck of a lot cleaner than sex too but I doubt you'd wanna give that up

[Avatard]

Apparently you are a douche to these people...

Only if he actually buys it with the wrong transmission.

Today's clutches are all hydraulic. Super easy on the leg. The high effort days of a manual are past. They're very well behaved, and not much of a chore, even in traffic.

[Porkchop]

Yet that Mazda 2 still has more road feel than 95% of anything America builds.

So I'm looking at Mazda 3 iSport, Misubishi Lancer GTS, and Mustang V6. And you would say the Maz has more road feel than the Mustang?

First time in this thread I agree with you.

Paddle shift may not be as fun, but it is a helkl of a lot cleaner and makes for better timed shifts once your used to it.

Because its doing the work for you. Yes its ultra fast, and removes the human error aspect. And its much easier in traffic. But it gets boring after awhile. The SRT8 had tiptronic stick. It was cool because you could let the engine rev out so much higher and make that hemi sing. But it just kinda got blah after awhile.

Artificial inseminations a heck of a lot cleaner than sex too but I doubt you'd wanna give that up

Motherfuckingthis! :lol:

[Trip]

Artificial inseminations a heck of a lot cleaner than sex too but I doubt you'd wanna give that up

So you would give up having sex with a super hot model that knows how to work your shaft and thus make you cum faster to be with an ugoh that can't work the shaft as well?

[Trip]

Because its doing the work for you. Yes its ultra fast, and removes the human error aspect. And its much easier in traffic. But it gets boring after awhile. The SRT8 had tiptronic stick. It was cool because you could let the engine rev out so much higher and make that hemi sing. But it just kinda got blah after awhile.

It all gets boring after awhile. That's why we have shit like motorcycles/airplanes/sky diving/hang gliders/bungee jumping/base jumping/helicopters.

If you want to be a fucking purist, sell your fucking car and walk. Cars aren't exactly old tech and part of the soul of being human. Walking is, do that shit. Otherwise, technology will continue to bypass shit. Manuals will go away eventually. Stop being snobbish pricks and let people drive what they want.

[Homeslice]

Not all of them, they are a shit ton faster than any human will ever be. If you want to race a F1 car, you will be using paddles.

That's the second or third time you've said that, but the people who like stick don't give a shit if paddles are faster. They still want stick.

Jeez, talk about "let people drive what they want"

[Trip]

That's the second or third time you've said that, but the people who like stick don't give a shit if paddles are faster. They still want stick.

And the people who want automatic still want fucking automatic even if manual is more powerful/efficient. See where this is going...

[Homeslice]

So I'm looking at Mazda 3 iSport, Misubishi Lancer GTS, and Mustang V6. And you would say the Maz has more road feel than the Mustang?


Weird cars to cross-shop, but anyways...

Mazdas are known for good steering. Them along with Subaru and of course all the German manufacturers.

Honda, Toyota, and the Big Three numb out the steering feel because they think people don't want it.

[tallywacker]

http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/186656-1/Trucks_runover_legs.gif

[Dave]

So you would give up having sex with a super hot model that knows how to work your shaft and thus make you cum faster to be with an ugoh that can't work the shaft as well?

I think you've misunderstood the analogy here. Your post should have read you'd rather sleep with a shebeast rather than know a supermodel was pregnant with my child by artificial means. I'm on the side of sex :lol

[Homeslice]

And the people who want automatic still want fucking automatic. See where this is going...

So how can you dish out advice if you yourself can't take it?

Another example: You say nobody here drives their car to its full potential, yet you say they should be upset that their stick shift is slower than a paddle-shift. Why should they be upset, seeing as how they don't drive it to its full potential anyway?

[Trip]

I think you've misunderstood the analogy here. Your post should have read you'd rather sleep with a shebeast rather than know a supermodel was pregnant with my child by artificial means. I'm on the side of sex :lol

I changed your analogy. Paddle shifting is the new hotness. Manual is old and busted, like a hot dog in a hallway.

So how can you dish out advice if you yourself can't take it?

Another example: You say nobody here drives their car to its full potential, yet you say they should be upset that their stick shift is slower than a paddle-shift. Why should they be upset, seeing as how they don't drive it to its full potential anyway?

I don't think people who choose sticks over paddle shifting are idiots cause they choose a slower car, just like people choosing auto over sticks. I was just stating that paddle shifting is newer faster technology, why not go with that if you want fast.

I don't think they should be upset their stick is slower, it was simply stating the fact if they want speed, paddle is where it's at. Buy whatever you want.

[goof2]

By the way KS, nice car! Congrats.

[Trip]

Homeslice, do you own a dual sport or dirt only bike or just street?

[Homeslice]

Homeslice, do you own a dual sport or dirt only bike or just street?

Just street.....haven't taken the time to get into offroad yet

[Porkchop]

Weird cars to cross-shop, but anyways...

Mazdas are known for good steering. Them along with Subaru and of course all the German manufacturers.

Honda, Toyota, and the Big Three numb out the steering feel because they think people don't want it.

I know the cars are in different categories, but its been a longer process of whittling down a long list. I was looking at,

Trucks: Ram 1500 or Chevy Avalanche

Four doors: the Lancer, the Maz 3, the Jetta, and the Chrysler 200

Two doors: the mustang, and the v6 Challenger.

I got rid of the trucks due to the current cost of gas. If i decide I want something to haul a bike I might just do what a buddy did and pick up an old beater truck for $1500. Due to the overwhelming negative reviews for the v6 challenger, that was removed. The verdict on the new "chepened" jetta seems blah. And I havnt had a chance to see the 200 up close. I've driven both the Maz and Lancer. The question is, do I want a peppy four door... or a 300hp mini-pony car? I probably wont pull the trigger on something until the end of year sales come round. And if I dont see the deal I want, ill wait until spring and come back with more cash...

[Captain Morgan]

I like this guy's concept:

http://www.smcars.net/forums/attachments/work-progress-rendering-animation/116721d1294891936-charger-concept-charger17.jpg

You and I disagree on MANY things. Taste in cars is NOT one of them.

[Dave]

I changed your analogy. Paddle shifting is the new hotness. Manual is old and busted, like a hot dog in a hallway.



I don't think people who choose sticks over paddle shifting are idiots cause they choose a slower car, just like people choosing auto over sticks. I was just stating that paddle shifting is newer faster technology, why not go with that if you want fast.

I don't think they should be upset their stick is slower, it was simply stating the fact if they want speed, paddle is where it's at. Buy whatever you want.

the analogy was perfect. what you said made no sense. you should watch keiichi tsuchiya's drift bible sometime. you'd realize paddles could never replace a real clutch

[VatorMan]

the analogy was perfect. what you said made no sense. you should watch keiichi tsuchiya's drift bible sometime. you'd realize paddles could never replace a real clutch

Drifting-The art of going around a corner as inefficiently as possible. Any time you have style points in a race makes it gay.

[Trip]

Drifting-The art of going around a corner as inefficiently as possible. Any time you have style points in a race makes it gay.

Ha ha owned

[Dave]

Drifting-The art of going around a corner as inefficiently as possible. Any time you have style points in a race makes it gay.

Let's see you get around a corner faster than Tsuchiya with a grip style then.

[Trip]

Let's see you get around a corner faster than Tsuchiya with a grip style then.

Hold on while we get Sebastian Vettel...

Back to sex analogies. Drifting is like trying to get your wife pregnant by cuddling, she thinks your awesome for it, but it will never work and you are a homo to your buddies.

[smileyman]

Umm, sex is good HmmKay.

As for paddles yep. Faster, yep. Like the Nissan GTR just bloody efficient. but...

Isnt the passion of a sports car as important as the times for most people. IE people that arent trying to qualify at Mosport or Lemans. Isnt the joy of heel toeing into a tight corner, slipping the clutch for that just right combination of engine braking, tire slip, and revs part of the allure of a stick?

I learned roadracing on SV650's and Honda Hawk big bores and using the clutch entering a corner on one of those was an art...Something that slipper clutch I4 junkies could never understand. Up shifting was always done clutchless so moot point there as with most racing car stick shifts (non proddy models here)...

[pauldun170]

Umm, sex is good HmmKay.

As for paddles yep. Faster, yep. Like the Nissan GTR just bloody efficient. but...

Isnt the passion of a sports car as important as the times for most people. IE people that arent trying to qualify at Mosport or Lemans. Isnt the joy of heel toeing into a tight corner, slipping the clutch for that just right combination of engine braking, tire slip, and revs part of the allure of a stick?

I learned roadracing on SV650's and Honda Hawk big bores and using the clutch entering a corner on one of those was an art...Something that slipper clutch I4 junkies could never understand. Up shifting was always done clutchless so moot point there as with most racing car stick shifts (non proddy models here)...


This...

Sure auto's are easier at the drag strip
flappy paddles are quick around the track

However, I don't drive on a track or drag strip. I drive on public roads.
Driving an automatic is a good way to drift off into la la land.
With the stick...no matter what car it is, I'm actually engaged in the process.
If I wanted to be a passenger I'd have someone else drive.

(and screw the 'drive in traffic' argument)

Automatic drivers...whatever suits you.
However the typical arguments:
"My gimp leg cant handle clutch pedal"
"You can shave .0003 seconds on your lap times"
"the new automatics are EPA rated 1mpg higher than the stick"
"EVERYONE ELSE is getting one"


They mean nothing to me

[Trip]

Again, if you want to do the whole driving is pure argument, get to walking. That's pure. Driving is technology. It progresses and moves on. Manuals will eventually disappear from the American standard car market, hell it's getting that way now. Sure it may be in used cars and some race vehicles. Look at NASCAR, they still use carbs and that's pretty much gone from new cars in favor of EFI.

This isn't a battle of which one is better. And fun is a completely unmeasurable quantity, because someone who likes auto or paddles will think they are a shit ton more fun than manual as opposed to you guys who think opposite. The passion of what someone wants in a sports car is completely subjective, your passion for manual can and is equaled by people with a passion for an automatic version.

[KSGregman]

Isnt the passion of a sports car as important as the times for most people. IE people that arent trying to qualify at Mosport or Lemans. Isnt the joy of heel toeing into a tight corner, slipping the clutch for that just right combination of engine braking, tire slip, and revs part of the allure of a stick?

Agreed....

A LOT to be said for the pure "fun" factor. :dthumb:

[Trip]

Agreed....

A LOT to be said for the pure "fun" factor. :dthumb:

Again, how is your fun any greater than someone who thinks manual is work and has just as much fun in a auto? The fun factor is the EXACT SAME. Your fun is no greater than someone who has fun in an auto.

[Trip]

Let's take this to motorcycles. Let's say I believe sportbikes and dual sporting a shit ton more fun than cruisers. You learn how to ride a bike better, you are faster, more capable, and can just do more than a cruiser can. Cruisers ARE NOT AS MUCH FUN, DAMNIT... The "fun factor" is just not in them.

See how stupid of an argument that is, completely retarded, because a cruiser rider can and will have just as much fun on a day out on his bike as I will on mine.

[smileyman]

Let's take this to motorcycles. Let's say I believe sportbikes and dual sporting a shit ton more fun than cruisers. You learn how to ride a bike better, you are faster, more capable, and can just do more than a cruiser can. Cruisers ARE NOT AS MUCH FUN, DAMNIT... The "fun factor" is just not in them.

See how stupid of an argument that is, completely retarded, because a cruiser rider can and will have just as much fun on a day out on his bike as I will on mine.

Trip, you been riding that BMW so long your actually thinking like a German! Not everything can be quantified and engineered for. Fun cannot be defined, so let those with insight into that speak for itself. Standards will exist because some "get it" just as cruisers, hack pthooey, will be enjoyed by folks that appreciate them. There is not right or wrong here.

Back to the sex...I am not sure why some folks like different stuff. I just know what I like and I dont think I would do it different with a super model versus an ugly hag. I just know it beats a test tube or spanking of the monkey. The big deal is I would enjoy it more with the super model, probably take more satisfaction from it which is why I like standards!

[azoomm]

Again, how is your fun any greater than someone who thinks manual is work and has just as much fun in a auto? The fun factor is the EXACT SAME. Your fun is no greater than someone who has fun in an auto.

I'm with you on the argument, after all, I have a semiautomatic (paddles) in my BMW. And, it's just as "fun" as a stick. And, doesn't suck ass if I get stuck in traffic. :lol:

[KSGregman]

I'm with you on the argument, after all, I have a semiautomatic (paddles) in my BMW. And, it's just as "fun" as a stick. And, doesn't suck ass if I get stuck in traffic. :lol:


I'm fully in the "don't knock it until you've tried it" camp....so.....I've no opinion on a paddle shift transmission...never driven a car set up that way. I just know that a full auto leaves me cold. :idk:

[Trip]

Trip, you been riding that BMW so long your actually thinking like a German! Not everything can be quantified and engineered for. Fun cannot be defined, so let those with insight into that speak for itself. Standards will exist because some "get it" just as cruisers, hack pthooey, will be enjoyed by folks that appreciate them. There is not right or wrong here.

Uh, then why are you guys using fun factor as a decisive factor? I said fun is fun, I didn't give it a specific value, I said it's the same for someone who enjoys cruising slowly in an auto sportscar as someone who enjoys the manual control of a manual sportscar. The fun is the same for both people.

[Dave]

I'm fully in the "don't knock it until you've tried it" camp....so.....I've no opinion on a paddle shift transmission...never driven a car set up that way. I just know that a full auto leaves me cold. :idk:

They're ok on accel, suck balls on decel. I've driven a few that won't let you shift down within 4000 rpm of redline.

[Dave]

Uh, then why are you guys using fun factor as a decisive factor? I said fun is fun, I didn't give it a specific value, I said it's the same for someone who enjoys cruising slowly in an auto sportscar as someone who enjoys the manual control of a manual sportscar. The fun is the same for both people.

Assume the guy in the auto car has never had the opportunity to drive anything else, is his ignorance of potential fun still a valid choice?

[Trip]

Assume the guy in the auto car has never had the opportunity to drive anything else, is his ignorance of potential fun still a valid choice?

Yes, he is still having fun. The same amount of fun you get from your driving. A lot of cruiser riders have never taken the opportunity to ride sportbikes and vice versa. Both are still having equal amounts of fun. Fun factor helps neither side.

[Avatard]

Uh, then why are you guys using fun factor as a decisive factor?

Because ultimately, that is the factor that brings happiness, reward, and positive feedback. The joy with which you drive your car, for most people, their second largest investment, is paramount.

Watch the American Top Gear episode where they test 3 Lambos; the Top End Murcielago, with AWD, and computer everyfuckingthing, the Balboni (RWD, pure driver car), and the Superleggera. The most powerful model, the one designed by the Lambo test driver that's driven every single car made, and the super-lightweight.

Overall, the light car won (anyone with an understanding of basic physics probably guessed that right), the most powerful car was next fastest, and the RWD Balboni, which although it was a great drifter, was the slowest.

When they interviewed everyone, and asked them which one they wanted, they all said the Balboni.

That should tell you something.

There was also a UK Top Gear episode, where they compared a few cars to a rarified Alfa, which this time was among the most expensive, and yet the slowest...but again at the end, was the car that everyone called pure sex, appealed to their every sense, and they ultimately just plain wanted to own.

:shrug:

[Avatard]

Assume the guy in the auto car has never had the opportunity to drive anything else, is his ignorance of potential fun still a valid choice?

That.

[Trip]

Because ultimately, that is the factor that brings happiness, reward, and positive feedback. The joy with which you drive your car, for most people, their second largest investment, is paramount.

Watch the American Top Gear episode where they test 3 Lambos; the Top End Murcielago, with AWD, and computer everyfuckingthing, the Balboni (RWD, pure driver car), and the Superleggera. The most powerful model, the one designed by the Lambo test driver that's driven every single car made, and the super-lightweight.

Overall, the light car won (anyone with an understanding of basic physics probably guessed that right), the most powerful car was next fastest, and the RWD Balboni, which although it was a great drifter, was the slowest.

When they interviewed everyone, and asked them which one they wanted, they all said the Balboni.

That should tell you something.

There was also a UK Top Gear episode, where they compared a few cars to a rarified Alfa, which this time was among the most expensive, and yet the slowest...but again at the end, was the car that everyone called pure sex, appealed to their every sense, and they ultimately just plain wanted to own.

:shrug:

Yes, the three guys on top gear represent everyone... Good sample population of the average driver. There are a lot of people that aren't speed demons or want to go fast or do the things that you consider fun, but they still want to own a sportscar. I know that is extremely hard for you to understand, but these people do exist and it good size numbers. A lot of sportscars also fall into 'Luxury' category. So people want the appearance of luxury and may not ever use that power.

Is their fun any less than yours? FUCK NO.

That.

Review the cruiser vs sportbike, that's moot.

[101lifts2]

Yet that Mazda 2 still has more road feel than 95% of anything America builds.

You mean noise, bumps and harshness? Then yes it does.

[pauldun170]

This thread reminds me of a thread on another board where someone defined a fun sporty car as a car with a nice radio and a spoiler.

[Trip]

This thread reminds me of a thread on another board where someone defined a fun sporty car as a car with a nice radio and a spoiler.

Ignorance is bliss, so let them have their fun.

[Homeslice]

Yes, he is still having fun. The same amount of fun you get from your driving.
He might be having fun, but could be having even MORE fun, if he got a clue. That's the point.

The vast majority of auto drivers haven't "gotten" that clue yet. Probably most have never even tried stick, so they don't know what they're missing. It's kind of like the people who refuse to work out because they think it's just work. Same with stick shift. People think it's too much work without thinking about the benefits they might get from it.

[Homeslice]

You mean noise, bumps and harshness? Then yes it does.

No.........Talking about being able to feel the road thru the steering. Not thru the seat or floorboard, lol.

[Trip]

He might be having fun, but could be having even MORE fun, if he got a clue. That's the point.

The vast majority of auto drivers are idiots who haven't "gotten" that clue yet. Probably most have never even tried stick, so they don't know what they're missing. It's kind of like the people who refuse to work out because they think it's just work. Same with stick shift. People think it's too much work without thinking about the benefits they might get from it.

What if he did get a "clue" and tried a sportbike? What if he found out it hurt his back, he didn't enjoy the speed, and packing up his camping gear for a weekend trip was a pain in the ass? Basically it was LESS fun.

Fun is fun, just because you haven't tried something, doesn't lessen the fun you have with your chosen hobby.

My dad owns a Vette currently. He grew up in the era of true Muscle cars and drove them when they were new. His dad owned a service shop, he got to drive everything working there as a mechanic. He had his fun with manual cars. His vette is an automatic. OMG! He uses it to cruise the mountains that surround our area of the country with his wife and enjoy the scenery. He could own a non sportscar that is just as luxurious, but that's the car he wanted.

Ignorance does not lessen fun, however knowledge can and does for a lot of people.

[Avatard]

Ignorance does not lessen fun, however knowledge can and does for a lot of people.

Knowledge bad, ignorance bliss. Got it.

Quoted for stupidity.

[Trip]

Knowledge bad, ignorance bliss. Got it.

Quoted for stupidity.

Stupid people have a lot of fun. There is a reason that people with better education live more stressful lives.

I have never said knowledge is bad either, that is a misquote. I said knowledge can lessen fun.

[Avatard]

Stupid people have a lot of fun.

It's true. It takes rather little to fascinate the feeble minded.

http://www.omgsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/omg-it-spins.jpg

[anthonyk]

He might be having fun, but could be having even MORE fun, if he got a clue. That's the point.

The vast majority of auto drivers haven't "gotten" that clue yet. Probably most have never even tried stick, so they don't know what they're missing. It's kind of like the people who refuse to work out because they think it's just work. Same with stick shift. People think it's too much work without thinking about the benefits they might get from it.

Who's to say THEY are (or would be) missing anything? I know it's tough to grasp, but y'all are presuming you know what's best, or the most fun, for everyone.

[Homeslice]

Who's to say THEY are (or would be) missing anything? I know it's tough to grasp, but y'all are presuming you know what's best, or the most fun, for everyone.

Virgins don't know what they're missing either.

[Trip]

Virgins don't know what they're missing either.

I don't know about that one, procreation is natural human desire. We know we want to fuck well before we do.

[Homeslice]

:lol I just like arguing with you guys

[Avatard]

Stupid people have a lot of fun. There is a reason that people with better education live more stressful lives.

Actually, I know you're right about that.

Being intelligent means you're the guy that tells all your friends their hair-brained ideas won't work. Or that there's about 5 better fucking ways of doing that shit (whatever the fuck it may be). Being smart means you're not much fun. Nobody likes a smart guy.

Being smart can be lonely. Being the only guy in the room that "gets it" isn't fun. Being the motherfucker that always has to explain it, is a pain in the ass.

People don't like to hear that they're wrong, or that there's a better way of doing shit, or that it might even be easier.

Don't fucking backpeddle, brother...preach that motherfucking shit, because you know it's fucking true:

Ignorance is bliss.

This is a time proven fucking rule.

[VatorMan]

Actually, I know you're right about that.

Being intelligent means you're the guy that tells all your friends their hair-brained ideas won't work. Or that there's about 5 better fucking ways of doing that shit (whatever the fuck it may be). Being smart means you're not much fun. Nobody likes a smart guy.

Being smart can be lonely. Being the only guy in the room that "gets it" isn't fun. Being the motherfucker that always has to explain it, is a pain in the ass.

People don't like to hear that they're wrong, or that there's a better way of doing shit, or that it might even be easier.

Don't fucking backpeddle, brother...preach that motherfucking shit, because you know it's fucking true:

Ignorance is bliss.

This is a time proven fucking rule.


Talk about an airtight lip lock on the ass.....

[Avatard]

What, because I agree with Trip on this?

He's wrong about the cars, bruddah, but he's right about the stupid.

[Trip]

What, because I agree with Trip on this?

He's wrong about the cars, bruddah, but he's right about the stupid.

I am not wrong about the cars. Auto is the natural evolution of the automobile. Eventually we will remove the driving aspect of them too. I know you like evolution. If you don't like the feeling of not being in control with an auto, how would you like not driving the thing at all?

[the chi]

:lol: At that point, I'd be walking.

I wont even ride on a bike with someone, you think Im letting a computer get me around. No thanks! But I might use that parallel park function if it came on a car. Since thats pretty much the only driving skill I havent managed to master. :lol:

But wait, what if its like that movies and they are on rails and really arent cars at all? Would that count as "driving"?

[smileyman]

I dont like automatic. Anything. I wish a for a giant solar flare or EMP bomb would render technology useless so people would take a long look at their selves and how they live their lives.

I hate the idea that my car/bike will correct my inputs to what is mechanically feasable. People who cant see the car in front of them should hit it in my opinion. And if they drift over the line the car should not alert them. Send em over a cliff I say. Thats evolution for you, survival of the fitest.

My bike shouldnt sense lean angle and wheel slip and dial back the throttle bodies. People shouldnt need a weather alert on their I phone, just look up asshole! If I am boneheaded enough to squeeze to hard on the brakes then I expect wheel lock up and a slide, not a pulsing numbness to bring me back to reality. Thats for losers!

My car should not tell me when to shift or how to shift. It shouldnt automatically match my revs on downshifting. My shower control should not save me from scalding hot water. It should allow me to have whatever I request in case I am torturing a suspect!

My radio volume shouldnt increase when I am running 85. If I want it louder I know where the fucking button is. Eyeglasses shouldnt tint themselves when you step out into the sun. Get used to bright lights you fucking basement dwelling cyber geeks.

It is all part of the pussification of our world!!!

[azoomm]

I dont like automatic. Anything. I wish a for a giant solar flare or EMP bomb would render technology useless so people would take a long look at their selves and how they live their lives.

I hate the idea that my car/bike will correct my inputs to what is mechanically feasable. People who cant see the car in front of them should hit it in my opinion. And if they drift over the line the car should not alert them. Send em over a cliff I say. Thats evolution for you, survival of the fitest.

My bike shouldnt sense lean angle and wheel slip and dial back the throttle bodies. People shouldnt need a weather alert on their I phone, just look up asshole! If I am boneheaded enough to squeeze to hard on the brakes then I expect wheel lock up and a slide, not a pulsing numbness to bring me back to reality. Thats for losers!

My car should not tell me when to shift or how to shift. It shouldnt automatically match my revs on downshifting. My shower control should not save me from scalding hot water. It should allow me to have whatever I request in case I am torturing a suspect!

My radio volume shouldnt increase when I am running 85. If I want it louder I know where the fucking button is. Eyeglasses shouldnt tint themselves when you step out into the sun. Get used to bright lights you fucking basement dwelling cyber geeks.

It is all part of the pussification of our world!!!

:lol: You just described almost everything I love about my BMW. And, almost everything I love about their new 6. But then, I look at it as the headlight always finds horizon so I get a wall of light so I can see more of the road - and ride a better ride. DCT means that the bike grabs the road better when it slips, it grabs - so I can ride a better ride. ABS means that I know I can have faith in the tires ability to stop the bike which means when there is a panic stop there is no reason to panic, and I can enjoy the ride.

Evolve or die.

[Tmall]

Honestly, unless you all built your own houses. Kill your own food. Or ride horses. STFU about the pussification of the country. You're just as bad.

Can't win a gun duel at high noon? Pussy.
Haven't seen a hanging? Pussy.
Live within three days horse ride of the general store? Pussy...

BTW, disk brake assholes? WTF are they thinking. Drum is where it is at! I also love me some canvas walled tires. And another thing! Fucking seat belts?!?! If you can't stop yourself from going through the windshield at 75mph by holding onto the steering wheel, you're not a man!

Also, I don't have a door on my house. I just punch my way through a new spot in the wall everyday as a man should.

[Porkchop]

Fucking seat belts?!?! If you can't stop yourself from going through the windshield at 75mph by holding onto the steering wheel, you're not a man!

Also, I don't have a door on my house. I just punch my way through a new spot in the wall everyday as a man should.

:lol Awesome....

[the chi]

Honestly, unless you all built your own houses. Kill your own food. Or ride horses. STFU about the pussification of the country. You're just as bad.

Can't win a gun duel at high noon? Pussy.
Haven't seen a hanging? Pussy.
Live within three days horse ride of the general store? Pussy...

BTW, disk brake assholes? WTF are they thinking. Drum is where it is at! I also love me some canvas walled tires. And another thing! Fucking seat belts?!?! If you can't stop yourself from going through the windshield at 75mph by holding onto the steering wheel, you're not a man!

Also, I don't have a door on my house. I just punch my way through a new spot in the wall everyday as a man should.


Chuck Norris lives!

:lol:

[Trip]

:lol: At that point, I'd be walking.

I wont even ride on a bike with someone, you think Im letting a computer get me around. No thanks! But I might use that parallel park function if it came on a car. Since thats pretty much the only driving skill I havent managed to master. :lol:

But wait, what if its like that movies and they are on rails and really arent cars at all? Would that count as "driving"?

So no planes or trains for you, awesome, stay in the stone ages.

I dont like automatic. Anything. I wish a for a giant solar flare or EMP bomb would render technology useless so people would take a long look at their selves and how they live their lives.

I hate the idea that my car/bike will correct my inputs to what is mechanically feasable. People who cant see the car in front of them should hit it in my opinion. And if they drift over the line the car should not alert them. Send em over a cliff I say. Thats evolution for you, survival of the fitest.

My bike shouldnt sense lean angle and wheel slip and dial back the throttle bodies. People shouldnt need a weather alert on their I phone, just look up asshole! If I am boneheaded enough to squeeze to hard on the brakes then I expect wheel lock up and a slide, not a pulsing numbness to bring me back to reality. Thats for losers!

My car should not tell me when to shift or how to shift. It shouldnt automatically match my revs on downshifting. My shower control should not save me from scalding hot water. It should allow me to have whatever I request in case I am torturing a suspect!

My radio volume shouldnt increase when I am running 85. If I want it louder I know where the fucking button is. Eyeglasses shouldnt tint themselves when you step out into the sun. Get used to bright lights you fucking basement dwelling cyber geeks.

It is all part of the pussification of our world!!!

I don't remember, but are you an engineer? If you are it's called technology. It's what fucking keeps us employed. Go back to a fucking slide rule or start using your little pinkies to do calculations. Get off the fucking computer pussy.

EMP bomb is technology, fail...

[Trip]

You won't let computers drive you places, but you all have no problem with them keeping up with your money, running your damn nuclear weapons/plants, and all sorts of shit that is much much more devastating than a fucking car. Great thinking guys, way to stand up and stop automation.

[the chi]

So no planes or trains for you, awesome, stay in the stone ages.




Not a valid argument asshole.

Planes and trains have a LIVING PERSON at the "wheel". Its not all a computer. And further, I do ride a horse, so if all the shit failed, I'd still have transportation. Win for me.

You fail. Mightily.

[Homeslice]

various weak arguments

There's a difference between stuff that isn't fun (like calculating interest) and stuff that is (like driving). That's why it's OK to let a computer do the former, but not the latter.

[Trip]

Not a valid argument asshole.

Planes and trains have a LIVING PERSON at the "wheel". Its not all a computer. And further, I do ride a horse, so if all the shit failed, I'd still have transportation. Win for me.

You fail. Mightily.

Actually a lot of trains are completely automated. Person is just there to push a button if shit fucks up. Especially on things like subway systems and hi speed trains. Ain't shit a person can do on a high speeder if it fucks up.

Planes are go on auto a lot. You should know that. Fly by wire is also pretty big now. Person may be at the wheel, but they are at the mercy of the electrical systems.

If all the shit failed, you would have much bigger issues than transportation.

[Trip]

There's a difference between stuff that isn't fun (like calculating interest) and stuff that is (like driving). That's why it's OK to let a computer do the former, but not the latter.

reasonable, but I am sure you wouldn't mind letting a computer do the transporting when it's not for fun though, would you?

[OneSickPsycho]

I dunno, but this conversation makes me long for the days when a machine will just have the fun for us... this is just to taxing.

[Trip]

I dunno, but this conversation makes me long for the days when a machine will just have the fun for us... this is just to taxing.

terminators, run!!!!!

[the chi]

Actually a lot of trains are completely automated. Person is just there to push a button if shit fucks up. Especially on things like subway systems and hi speed trains. Ain't shit a person can do on a high speeder if it fucks up.

Planes are go on auto a lot. You should know that. Fly by wire is also pretty big now. Person may be at the wheel, but they are at the mercy of the electrical systems.

If all the shit failed, you would have much bigger issues than transportation.


Never been on a train, no desire to. Rode the MARTA once.

They still have people, even if its all animated andthey jsut push a button. So when the shit hits the fan, they've got someone trained to try and save us. If it doesnt work, there will still be someone there. Same for planes. Still a fail. When it all goes auto computer, then you have a leg to stand on for that one.

And I am aware of the bigger issues if everything fails. All part of the zombie plan my friend. Cars arent even part of the equation as sooner or later there would be no fuel. Unless I hooked up with someone who could rig a solar vehicle but thats a different story. (And guess what, they'd still be operated by a person.:lol:) Still trying to decide where we want to put the concrete bunker for supplies and short term survival tho.

[Trip]

Never been on a train, no desire to. Rode the MARTA once.

They still have people, even if its all animated andthey jsut push a button. So when the shit hits the fan, they've got someone trained to try and save us. If it doesnt work, there will still be someone there. Same for planes. Still a fail. When it all goes auto computer, then you have a leg to stand on for that one.

And I am aware of the bigger issues if everything fails. All part of the zombie plan my friend. Cars arent even part of the equation as sooner or later there would be no fuel. Unless I hooked up with someone who could rig a solar vehicle but thats a different story. (And guess what, they'd still be operated by a person.:lol:) Still trying to decide where we want to put the concrete bunker for supplies and short term survival tho.

New jets are essentially one big computer. They may someone putting their hands on a stalk, but they are still relying on one big computer to actually control the planes.

If a human makes you more confident that the computer won't fuck up, you will always have YOU in the automated car to turn it to manual control and stop it from fucking up. I doubt they will get rid of that safety feature.

Personally I can't wait for the day I can wake up and get in my automated car and skip that whole commute bullshit.

I am still holding out for wormhole teleportation or some shit like that though. HA HA HA

[the chi]

New jets are essentially one big computer. They may someone putting their hands on a stalk, but they are still relying on one big computer to actually control the planes.

If a human makes you more confident that the computer won't fuck up, you will always have YOU in the automated car to turn it to manual control and stop it from fucking up. I doubt they will get rid of that safety feature.

Personally I can't wait for the day I can wake up and get in my automated car and skip that whole commute bullshit.

Havent flown in years, but I repeat, theres still someone there that knows what the hell their doing and yes that does make me feel better.

I hadnt thought about that as far as the cars go, meaning the manual feature, but yeah that would be necessary and Id probably do the driving myself, depending on how things were (on rail systems or something would make cars pretty much completely obsolete, but if there were still actual roads, Id be driving.)

I can see the pros of having a car do everything, you wouldnt have to worry about idiots on the road in their cars trying to kill you, and you could get in plenty of sleep on road trips, but it would suck the fun out of it for those of us who like to drive just to drive and see what we can make our cars do. Goes back to the fun factor I guess. Whats fun to one isnt to another. I'll give you that.

[Trip]

I can see the pros of having a car do everything, you wouldnt have to worry about idiots on the road in their cars trying to kill you, and you could get in plenty of sleep on road trips, but it would suck the fun out of it for those of us who like to drive just to drive and see what we can make our cars do. Goes back to the fun factor I guess. Whats fun to one isnt to another. I'll give you that.

I absolutely hate driving a car when it's not for fun. Hate it. Don't matter manual/auto/paddles. I would love to just ride when it's not fun.

[anthonyk]

I know some aircraft types with some airlines are required to let the plane land itself once in a while to keep the auto-land system certified. I once had a pilot announce before landing that the plane was going to do all the work. I still have no idea why he didn't wait till we were on the ground to say something. :lol:

[defector]

Still trying to decide where we want to put the concrete bunker for supplies and short term survival tho.

It won't be a fun bunker unless it has manual locks on all entry points. :lol:

[the chi]

It won't be a fun bunker unless it has manual locks on all entry points. :lol:

Old school locker combination locks. Better have quick hands or the zombies'll getcha.

:lol:

[Dave]

everyone is a faggot

[Porkchop]

Wow, biggest threadjack ever.....

Wasn't this thread about KS buying a new car? :whistle:

[Avatard]

You're not allowed to have a muscle car anymore.

:shrug:

Pisses off everyone, apparently. I'm now told I need to ride some automated tram?

Soylent green is made of people.

Logan ran.

Think I might too.

[Dave]

Runner...

[smileyman]

It's a clockwork orange my friend...

[Kaneman]

Power is all about penis extension and being cool.

Well, that's pretty much the most faggy thing I've read on this forum so far. Good job Trip, good job.

[Trip]

Well, that's pretty much the most faggy thing I've read on this forum so far. Good job Trip, good job.

Being slow on a gixxer 1000 is a lot more faggy than being extremely fast on a rebel 250.

[Homeslice]

Being slow on a gixxer 1000 is a lot more faggy than being extremely fast on a rebel 250.

Agreed, but it is also faggy to suggest that nobody "needs" the extra power.

[KSGregman]

Being slow on a gixxer 1000 is a lot more faggy than being extremely fast on a rebel 250.

Yes...you've made us all aware of your superior riding talents.

I, for one, have no doubt that your driving skills are equally superior.

Really.

:skep:

[Trip]

Agreed, but it is also faggy to suggest that nobody "needs" the extra power.

It's not a need in this capacity. It's a want. Plenty of people need power for occupational/towing/other reasons.

[Trip]

Yes...you've made us all aware of your superior riding talents.

I, for one, have no doubt that your driving skills are equally superior.

Really.

:skep:

Wow, I really made you butt hurt. Go buy yourself some Preparation H and soothe your hemmorhoids.

[Avatard]

He doesn't need it. He has a 6.2 liter massage chair.

:fu2:

[Trip]

He doesn't need it. He has a 6.2 liter massage chair.

:fu2:

Awww, looks like you are volunteering to put it on for him and have him return the favor, how cute...

[KSGregman]

Wow, I really made you butt hurt. Go buy yourself some Preparation H and soothe your hemmorhoids.

You flatter yourself.

Go back and read your first post in this thread and get back with me about who's butthurt, eh?

[Avatard]

Awww, looks like you are volunteering to put it on for him and have him return the favor, how cute...

Nah, I'm just shocked that you purport to own a penis, and don't get this. There's women in this thread who have expressed more testosterone on this subject than you, Trip.

What's up buddy, you taking shots in anticipation of surgery or something?

Is there something you need to tell us?

Your attack on this is odd for a man, honestly. I'd have assumed you'd "get" this.

Shit, I mean, you ride, and you race, and shit.

Really? WTF? Heavy flow?

[Trip]

You flatter yourself.

Go back and read your first post in this thread and get back with me about who's butthurt, eh?

LOL, I am always argumentative, this is nothing new for me and avy. This is out of character for you. Butthurt = you. It would be awesome if you think of this thread every time you get in your camaro. Lulz.

Nah, I'm just shocked that you purport to own a penis, and don't get this. There's women in this thread who have expressed more testosterone on this subject than you, Trip.

What's up buddy, you taking shots in anticipation of surgery or something?

Is there something you need to tell us?

Your attack on this is odd for a man, honestly. I'd have assumed you'd "get" this.

Shit, I mean, you ride, and you race, and shit.

Really? WTF? Heavy flow?

What don't I get? I understand you have a need to build up your image of manliness with a powerful car.

You have just basically admitted I am right by calling me a woman because I don't have to have power. Thanks.

[Homeslice]

:lmao: Gotta admit, that was good

[Avatard]

You have just basically admitted I am right by calling me a woman because I don't have to have power. Thanks.

You're welcome. Try not to get your skirt caught in any exposed primaries, OK?

[Trip]

You're welcome. Try not to get your skirt caught in any exposed primaries, OK?

Will do, lol

[101lifts2]

No.........Talking about being able to feel the road thru the steering. Not thru the seat or floorboard, lol.

I want to be connected to the road, not feel every bump and vibration through the steering wheel. And an MX2 has a fairly harsh ride.

[101lifts2]

I dont like automatic. Anything.....

I love how all here say there wouldn't own an automatic...but are we to assume that ALL manuals shift like Honda manuals? Try driving an Isuzu N-series truck with a manual....you will be wishing for the automatic in 2 miles..unless you like taking 3 seconds per shift and feathering the accelerator to get it to go into gear because the shift cable is 10 feet long.

Manuals are nice if they shift nice and have an easy clutch. Notchy shifting with a race clutch doesn't make it "fun".

[Avatard]

I have seven vehicles. Only one has an auto (Expeditions don't come stick). Four have 4-speeds. one has a 6-speed, and the other has a 3-speed.

I don't just talk the talk. I DON'T LIKE AUTOMATICS.

[Dave]

I love how all here say there wouldn't own an automatic...but are we to assume that ALL manuals shift like Honda manuals? Try driving an Isuzu N-series truck with a manual....you will be wishing for the automatic in 2 miles..unless you like taking 3 seconds per shift and feathering the accelerator to get it to go into gear because the shift cable is 10 feet long.

Manuals are nice if they shift nice and have an easy clutch. Notchy shifting with a race clutch doesn't make it "fun".

Drove one in iraq before we traded it for tvs. Wasn't bad, I used to no lift shift the thing all the time.

Still beat an auto

[Homeslice]

I love how all here say there wouldn't own an automatic...but are we to assume that ALL manuals shift like Honda manuals?

Or Mazda manuals.

[Particle Man]

You're welcome. Try not to get your skirt caught in any exposed primaries, OK?

:lol:

[Flexin]

Nice car!

The thread is jacked up. LOL With the huge pissing contest in here you guys could have made a golden shower video, sold it and bought what ever car you wanted.

As far as stick/auto big/small 4 cyl/6 cyl/8 cyl and so on.

Down the road I want to own a boat. I would also like something to haul it. I'm sure a 1 ton would do with most boats I could even hope for but this is what I would rather have something like this.

This has 475 hp, 13 speed (not an auto :rockwoot:) Jake brake

http://www.triplerdiesel.com/pictures/picoriginal/19238.jpg

http://www.triplerdiesel.com/pictures/picoriginal/19239.jpg


James

[Avatard]

Make it a single axle, and put a pickup bed on it, and it's my daily driver.

Can't scare me.

I used to drive a 44" tired monster truck as a daily driver.

[Flexin]

Make it a single axle, and put a pickup bed on it, and it's my daily driver.

Can't scare me.

I used to drive a 44" tired monster truck as a daily driver.

Not trying to scare anyone. Its just sex on wheels to me.

Single axle would save money on tires and so on but I'm not sure. If I upgraded my license and got in the fire department I could look at trying to get some work hauling construction equipment with it. Then my toy could earn its keep. If that was the case I would keep the dual axles. Its a long way off so its not important now.

I could also put a dump body on it and work it that way and still use it to haul a boat.

James

[Avatard]

Me likes this little trucky-wuck:

http://www.harperboats.com/vehicles/1992-topkick/DSC01611-1024w.jpg

[Flexin]

Me likes this little trucky-wuck:

http://www.harperboats.com/vehicles/1992-topkick/DSC01611-1024w.jpg

I have never been a fan of the Topkick dash (spent too much time in one) but that is a good looking truck right there.

James

[Hydrant]

I'd roll any of those.

Flexin these are all boat haulers taken by me @ a poker run.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/Hydrant/Lake%20Cumberland%20Poker%20Run%20%2008/DSC00344.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n138/Hydrant3/IMG_0597.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n138/Hydrant3/IMG_0587.jpg

[Flexin]

I'd roll any of those.

Flexin these are all boat haulers taken by me @ a poker run.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/Hydrant/Lake%20Cumberland%20Poker%20Run%20%2008/DSC00344.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n138/Hydrant3/IMG_0597.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n138/Hydrant3/IMG_0587.jpg

Those are nice rigs.

There is a Ford like that around here. White with ghost barbwire down along the bottom of the truck. It had about 6.5" speakers in each of the 4 doors can two 10 or 12" subs with two amps.

The only thing about them that I'm not a fan of is the Auto trans.

James

[Avatard]

Well, as a kid, I couldn't afford a nice Chevelle with a stick shift...so I built one.

Putting in a manual trans, and hanging some pedals is not as hard as most people would lead you to believe...

Remember the first rule of Hot Rodding: Big enough hammer and a torch, and everything fits ;)

[KSGregman]

Vanity plate came today....

I wanted WHATEVA but someone already had it...dirty bastards. :lmao:

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w9/KSGregman/Fastah.jpg

[Archren]

:lol: :dthumb:

[Homeslice]

Until someone faster than you shows up :zowned: