Humans simply don't know anything about anything.

[Kaneman]

So I'm trying to cut down to 145lbs for fights I have coming up in August. There is prize money involved and every time that happens there is a lot of weight cutting that goes on. Really I need to lose the last 5lbs of belly fat I have, then I can cut 5 more in a sauna, as I'm 155 right now.

Anyway, eating healthy is pretty common sense, but I was looking for some solid advice on making those last two lower abs pop through. Aside from the general common sense nutrition stuff (don't drink sodas, etc.) there was great, GREAT debate on every forum or comment section I read. Carbs are the devil, carbs are the bomb...can't survive without 'em, eat lots of fruit, don't eat any fruit, blah blah blah...and so on.

Then I realized that pretty much every subject is like this from religion to politics to the environment and that we just don't know shit....but man, we sure do get an A+ for pretending we do!

[OneSickPsycho]

Maybe with a different thread title the guys who actually know something about nutrition may chime in... but for now, you got me... a guy who's goal is to lose 100lbs by 2012.

[Kaneman]

Maybe with a different thread title the guys who actually know something about nutrition may chime in... but for now, you got me... a guy who's goal is to lose 100lbs by 2012.

I don't really need any advice, it was more of an observation on human nature. I'm pretty sure the weight will come off from eating super clean and working out twice a day...I just wanted to gain some more insight.

Dude, you're trying to lose 100lbs in 6 months? I do believe that could kill you...

[AquaPython]

truth is, there are more roads than one to get to where you want to be. someone had success doing something remotely similar to what you are asking about so they start talking from experience (or not at all sometimes). unfortunately on the intarwebs, you are not heard unless you sound really sure of your point of view, demonstrated by shitting on other's advice that differs.
click apply to all

[OneSickPsycho]

I don't really need any advice, it was more of an observation on human nature. I'm pretty sure the weight will come off from eating super clean and working out twice a day...I just wanted to gain some more insight.

Dude, you're trying to lose 100lbs in 6 months? I do believe that could kill you...

4lbs a week... shouldn't be too terrible... And if I die... at least I'll look good for the funeral.

[derf]

1oo lbs in 6 months isn't bad if done right, but its not easy to do.

As for the original question, start with 5oo sit ups a day between now and then, eat smaller portions but noter times

[Homeslice]

do cardio first thing in the morning after drinking 2 cups of green tea and nothing else

[defector]

Stay away from Olestra.

[Kaneman]

1oo lbs in 6 months isn't bad if done right, but its not easy to do.

As for the original question, start with 5oo sit ups a day between now and then, eat smaller portions but noter times

No time, already spend 4 hours a day working out/teaching workout classes in which I work as hard as the students. I easily do 200 sit ups and 200 push ups a day....and then there's the grappling.

do cardio first thing in the morning after drinking 2 cups of green tea and nothing else

Horrible advice for me, IMO. Skipping breakfast is bad news bears for me, fucks up my whole day. Gotta eat as soon as I wake.

Stay away from Olestra.

lol @ putting shit like that in me. :lol:

4lbs a week... shouldn't be too terrible... And if I die... at least I'll look good for the funeral.

4lbs a week is a lot dude. What are some of the things you're doing to help reach that goal?

[Trip]

Go on the biggest loser, OSP. LOL

[Avatard]

Maybe with a different thread title the guys who actually know something about nutrition may chime in... but for now, you got me... a guy who's goal is to lose 100lbs by 2012.

Jesus fucking Christ, it's Fatty McButterpants!

That explains a lot...

:lmao:

[Homeslice]

Horrible advice for me, IMO. Skipping breakfast is bad news bears for me, fucks up my whole day. Gotta eat as soon as I wake.


Millions of people do it, hell if you enlist in any branch of the armed forces they will do their PT before breakfast during boot camp. You aren't special.

Unless you are taking a law school entrance exam immediately after your workout, I don't see the harm.

Besides I thought you simply wanted to lose weight......not maintain 100% attention/alertness.

[OneSickPsycho]

4lbs a week is a lot dude. What are some of the things you're doing to help reach that goal?

Cocaine and crystal meth... and...

Intially starting with Atkins... simply to drop my hunger levels and cravings... Then move to a proper lower calorie, natural diet - lean proteins, salad stuff, some fruit, and back to my raw oatmeal breakfasts... avoid fatty anything, processed anything, and anything that makes me want to double my order and rub the other half all over my body...

Up my water intake to a consistent gallon/day... I drink a lot of water anyway, sometimes more than a gallon/day, but not consistently... Some days I drink 10 beers instead... gonna try to avoid that going forward.

Gradually progressing into a workout regimine at the same time... walk a few miles per day, Wii Fit for now just to get myself interested... The elliptical will get dusted off in a couple of weeks, as will the weight bench.

100lbs is the ultimate goal... Started on my birthday... and as long as I hit by my next birthday, I'll be good. I have more realistic short term goals... fit into these pants... fit into the last set of pants I stopped wearing because I'm too fat... I have a closet full of goals :lol:

Every time I try to jump into this shit, I start strong and fail miserably... The self-inflicted boot camp thing just doesn't work for me. I need to build habits without burning myself out... which is my main goal.

[Avatard]

No wonder this guy is so fucking anti-weed. If he got the fucking munchies, his GF's life would be a jeopardy.

He'd eat her, and anything else in a five mile radius.

[OneSickPsycho]

Jesus fucking Christ, it's Fatty McButterpants!

That explains a lot...

:lmao:

Oh I can't wait for this... what does this explain?

[Dave]

Cocaine and crystal meth... and...

Intially starting with Atkins... simply to drop my hunger levels and cravings... Then move to a proper lower calorie, natural diet - lean proteins, salad stuff, some fruit, and back to my raw oatmeal breakfasts... avoid fatty anything, processed anything, and anything that makes me want to double my order and rub the other half all over my body...

Up my water intake to a consistent gallon/day... I drink a lot of water anyway, sometimes more than a gallon/day, but not consistently... Some days I drink 10 beers instead... gonna try to avoid that going forward.

Gradually progressing into a workout regimine at the same time... walk a few miles per day, Wii Fit for now just to get myself interested... The elliptical will get dusted off in a couple of weeks, as will the weight bench.

100lbs is the ultimate goal... Started on my birthday... and as long as I hit by my next birthday, I'll be good. I have more realistic short term goals... fit into these pants... fit into the last set of pants I stopped wearing because I'm too fat... I have a closet full of goals :lol:

Every time I try to jump into this shit, I start strong and fail miserably... The self-inflicted boot camp thing just doesn't work for me. I need to build habits without burning myself out... which is my main goal.

Where are you at now if you don't mind me asking? Id suggest what I'm doing but last time this came up we established that I have no clue what I'm doing and that my body is due to fail any minute now :lmao:

[OneSickPsycho]

No wonder this guy is so fucking anti-weed. If he got the fucking munchies, his GF's life would be a jeopardy.

He'd eat her, and anything else in a five mile radius.

Where did you come up with me being anti-weed? I was a daily smoker for almost 12 years and even slung a bit on a few occassions.

I've gained a significant amount of weight since pretty much eliminating smoking weed... Didn't gain a lb when I quit smoking cigarettes... Of course, I smoked way more weed than I ever did cigarettes...

[Avatard]

Oh I can't wait for this... what does this explain?

Duh, scroll up.

Wanna lose 8 pounds of worthless fat?

Decapitation.

:lmao:

[OneSickPsycho]

Where are you at now if you don't mind me asking? Id suggest what I'm doing but last time this came up we established that I have no clue what I'm doing and that my body is due to fail any minute now :lmao:

Mid-280's ish... At 185, I'll be cut from stone... At least... that's what I figure... I may not realistically be able to get under 200, depending how hard I hit the weights... My goals will inevitably change... I guess I could change my goal to the American Beauty quote.... I just want to look good naked.

[Avatard]

Ahhh! [shudders]

[OneSickPsycho]

Ahhh! [shudders]

Still waiting for what all of this explains.

[Avatard]

Well, sadly, I guess you missed it. Have a sandwich, it may sharpen the brain.

[KSGregman]

No wonder this guy is so fucking anti-weed. If he got the fucking munchies, his GF's life would be a jeopardy.

He'd eat her, and anything else in a five mile radius.

No wonder you're ovah heeya in this thread making fun of him for being overweight...it's easier than staying in the othah thread getting your ass handed to you.

No one is falling for the attempted distraction....it's your M.O....right down to the "I'm repairing the dent to my ego by attempting to bash someone else" glee in your posts.

[OneSickPsycho]

Well, sadly, I guess you missed it. Have a sandwich, it may sharpen the brain.

Actually, I think you missed it. In your greatness, you failed to see my response to your drivel about me being anti-marijuana. Let me sum it up, I'm the only pot smoking, former drug dealing, anti-marijuana person in the history of the world. :dthumb:
No wonder you're ovah heeya in this thread making fun of him for being overweight...it's easier than staying in the othah thread getting your ass handed to you.

No one is falling for the attempted distraction....it's your M.O....right down to the "I'm repairing the dent to my ego by attempting to bash someone else" glee in your posts.

Hey, whatever makes him feel a little better about his own miserable existance... I'm a happy person with incredibly thick skin (as well as a rather thick protective layer beneath that lol)... He's just a sad person... name calling on the internet.

[Avatard]

Just enjoying some humor at your expense.

So, you used to deal drugs?

McDonald's just dedicated a Happy Meal to you; the Hypocrite Meal:

Comes with 3 patties, 4 pieces of cheese, 8 slices of bacon, large cheese fries, and a diet Coke.

[OneSickPsycho]

Just enjoying some humor at your expense.

So, you used to deal drugs?

McDonald's just dedicated a Happy Meal to you; the Hypocrite Meal:

Comes with 3 patties, 4 pieces of cheese, 8 slices of bacon, large cheese fries, and a diet Coke.

Too much cheese, not enough bacon...

Ahhh... I'm a sucker for you AV... How am I a hypocrite?

I'm consistent... I think the drug laws need reformed, if not removed. I also think that regardless of if you believe these laws are right or wrong, you make a choice and have to accept the consequences if you break them. I knew what I was doing back in the day... I knew the consequences... I wasn't a huge fan, but I recognized that if I was caught, I would have to face the music... It's really fucking simple... Amazing that you can't understand it... Well, not really amazing or surprising that you lack the ability to comprehend it...

[Particle Man]

..

whatever you do, keep an eye on you galbladder, buddy.

I can't tell you how many people I know that ended up needing their galbladders yanked out because they changed their diets too drastically too fast in order to hit a weight loss goal.

Just sayin'...

[Avatard]

Too much cheese, not enough bacon...

Ahhh... I'm a sucker for you AV... How am I a hypocrite?

I'm consistent... I think the drug laws need reformed, if not removed. I also think that regardless of if you believe these laws are right or wrong, you make a choice and have to accept the consequences if you break them. I knew what I was doing back in the day... I knew the consequences... I wasn't a huge fan, but I recognized that if I was caught, I would have to face the music... It's really fucking simple... Amazing that you can't understand it... Well, not really amazing or surprising that you lack the ability to comprehend it...

:lmao:

[OneSickPsycho]

:lmao:

It's true... ignorance IS bliss!

[Avatard]

You should know.

[OneSickPsycho]

You should know.

I know you are but what I am I?

Your ability to debate has officially regressed from 3rd grade, to pre-school. Good job!

[Dave]

Mid-280's ish... At 185, I'll be cut from stone... At least... that's what I figure... I may not realistically be able to get under 200, depending how hard I hit the weights... My goals will inevitably change... I guess I could change my goal to the American Beauty quote.... I just want to look good naked.

Nice. Basically the same goal. I hit 194 this morning

[Avatard]

I know you are but what I am I?


A right wing hypocrite, who like Fox News, tries to deflect by accusing me of a similar bias.

:shrug:

Hey, you asked...

[OneSickPsycho]

A right wing hypocrite, who like Fox News, tries to deflect by accusing me of a similar bias.

:shrug:

Hey, you asked...

I don't like Fox News... O'Reilly amuses me from time to time...

[Avatard]

You may say you don't like them, but you use the very same tactics.

[TYEster]

So I'm trying to cut down to 145lbs for fights I have coming up in August. There is prize money involved and every time that happens there is a lot of weight cutting that goes on. Really I need to lose the last 5lbs of belly fat I have, then I can cut 5 more in a sauna, as I'm 155 right now.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson174.htm

"[ Q ] What do you have your guys eating? I am assuming they don't become overweight from eating too much protein.

My guys usually don't have any problems because I have them eating pretty clean. They eat carbohydrates like yams, brown rice, small red-skinned potatoes and oatmeal. The bodybuilding lifestyle is all based on that, but I try to take it to another level.

For example, the biggest trick I teach, which is a trade secret within bodybuilding, is before a contest (to make weight) or show, have your fighter sit in a hot bath - the hottest water they can handle - with approximately one gallon of Epsom Salt and five to eight bottles of Winter Green rubbing alcohol, (which is pored on the body).

They lay in there and it sucks out all the subcutaneous water, while allowing the body to retain its intramuscular water. For bodybuilding purposes, if you sit in that for 30 to 45 minutes, pad dry it off, and go straight to sleep. When you wake up in the morning you will be shredded."


Anyway, eating healthy is pretty common sense, but I was looking for some solid advice on making those last two lower abs pop through. Aside from the general common sense nutrition stuff (don't drink sodas, etc.) there was great, GREAT debate on every forum or comment section I read. Carbs are the devil, carbs are the bomb...can't survive without 'em, eat lots of fruit, don't eat any fruit, blah blah blah...and so on.

Then I realized that pretty much every subject is like this from religion to politics to the environment and that we just don't know shit....but man, we sure do get an A+ for pretending we do!

I would start with one goal at a time... Make weight for you're fight, then figure out how to manipulate your diet so you can drop more bodyfat. Also low abdominal exercises will help your lower abs stand out.

[OneSickPsycho]

I honestly don't know anything about this stuff, but I've read that the hot bath, epsom salt, rubbing alcohol thing is dangerous... Don't know, not sure, but it's worth researching.

[Kaneman]

I would start with one goal at a time... Make weight for you're fight, then figure out how to manipulate your diet so you can drop more bodyfat. Also low abdominal exercises will help your lower abs stand out.

I'm 6' tall dude, if I make 145lbs my lower abs will be very visible. :lol:

[TYEster]

I honestly don't know anything about this stuff, but I've read that the hot bath, epsom salt, rubbing alcohol thing is dangerous... Don't know, not sure, but it's worth researching.

It's no more dangerous than trying to sweat it out for 4 hours in a sauna.

It's all the same thing, purposely dehydrating body is never safe. But he's only going to drop 10lbs, which in the grand scheme of things SHOULD be ok. Also if he just does it to make a weigh in, he can easily regain that water by carbing up and rehydrating the day of his fight(pending it's a night fight and he weighed in hours earlier)

[TYEster]

I'm 6' tall dude, if I make 145lbs my lower abs will be very visible. :lol:

That's pretty skinny, however being skinny and being lean can be 2 different things. I was 6' 166lbs for a bodybuilding contest, the leanest I've ever been in my life and my lower abs weren't popping yet.

Muscular development as well as a LOW bodyfat will bring them out.

[Kaneman]

It's no more dangerous than trying to sweat it out for 4 hours in a sauna.

It's all the same thing, purposely dehydrating body is never safe. But he's only going to drop 10lbs, which in the grand scheme of things SHOULD be ok. Also if he just does it to make a weigh in, he can easily regain that water by carbing up and rehydrating the day of his fight(pending it's a night fight and he weighed in hours earlier)

I actually get to weigh in the night before the fights, so I can do pretty much any crazy thing I need to on that day to make weight. BUT, I don't want to go into my fights the next day feeling like shit, as I expect to have around 7 fights or so.

Its not until August so I have PLENTY of time to lose the fat I need to walk at 150 and drop 5lbs in a sauna. That's the plan anyway.

[Kaneman]

That's pretty skinny, however being skinny and being lean can be 2 different things. I was 6' 166lbs for a bodybuilding contest, the leanest I've ever been in my life and my lower abs weren't popping yet.

Muscular development as well as a LOW bodyfat will bring them out.

I feel pretty strong for my size, I routinely tap guys with 50-60lb weight advantages over me, so I wouldn't say I'm skinny. Really, I grew up on sodas and have a bunch of unhealthy belly fat that is sticking around because its been there for so long. Everything above the bellybutton is veiny and muscular. And that's what has been so frustrating.

[TYEster]

I actually get to weigh in the night before the fights, so I can do pretty much any crazy thing I need to on that day to make weight. BUT, I don't want to go into my fights the next day feeling like shit, as I expect to have around 7 fights or so.

Its not until August so I have PLENTY of time to lose the fat I need to walk at 150 and drop 5lbs in a sauna. That's the plan anyway.

No matter how you drop the water, you're going to feel the same. However if you can just drop 5lbs, you'll feel better than dropping 10.(theoretically)

Why not experiment one weekend soon so you can see how much you can drop and how you feel in 12hrs? Like I said, once you weigh in, eat your carbs, drink your electrolytes (BRAWNDO!) and all the water you can muster... Check your energy levels then by going through some workouts that are equivalent to those fights.

[Kaneman]

No matter how you drop the water, you're going to feel the same. However if you can just drop 5lbs, you'll feel better than dropping 10.(theoretically)

Why not experiment one weekend soon so you can see how much you can drop and how you feel in 12hrs? Like I said, once you weigh in, eat your carbs, drink your electrolytes (BRAWNDO!) and all the water you can muster... Check your energy levels then by going through some workouts that are equivalent to those fights.

Awesome advice, I might finally put my 24hr Fitness membership to use tomorrow and give it a shot. Thanks dude.

[Dave]

I'm 6' tall dude, if I make 145lbs my lower abs will be very visible. :lol:

Dude you gotta have like no bones

[Kaneman]

Dude you gotta have like no bones

I have a smallish frame...kinda built like an alien. :lol: Size small in a Shoei helmet, but XXXL in most gloves. But if you look at boxers and MMA fighters 6' and 145lb fighting weight isn't too uncommon. My last competition was at 167lbs, and I was 186 when I started training hard in January. I definitely like being lighter, much, much more energy and stamina for martial arts, and just in general.