How old for belly button ring?

[RACER X]

No not april.

My friends wife announced on her facebook that she was excited that they were taking their 13 nearly 14yo daughter to get her BB pierced.

Since I'm an old guy what do you youngins think....

I told z we should have replied back

' next year a tramp stamp?' Lol

[OneSickPsycho]

Depends on the kid... I'd say high school age in most cases... for tattoos... I'd say mid-20's... Piercings can always be taken out...

[marko138]

Somewhere between 1 and NEVER.

[RACER X]

Somewhere between 1 and NEVER.

Just asked the 30yo guy who sits next to me, said he had his tatt and piercing age between 16_20, and he said the same thing, he asked his wife and she said HELL NO

Lol

[OneSickPsycho]

Somewhere between 1 and NEVER.

So this is ok then?

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/baby_pierced_face.jpg

[marko138]

I've got tats and both ears pierced. But none where before I was 18.

[derf]

Depends on the maturity of the kid, and if the parent says ok I got no problem with it. I had my first piercing at 13, and my first tattoo at 16

[azoomm]

Ears, OK.

Anything else, when they are old enough to sign for it themselves.

As I told my daughters, there are some things that lend the appearance you are older than initial impression. She looks "old enough" and if she has a piercing somewhere that required parental consent they would assume she's " old enough."

Right now, it's MY belly button. When she's over 18, it's then her belly button and she can do whatever she wants with it.

[Dave]

A day after your ass moves out

[Mudpuppy]

Ears, OK.

Anything else, when they are old enough to sign for it themselves.

As I told my daughters, there are some things that lend the appearance you are older than initial impression. She looks "old enough" and if she has a piercing somewhere that required parental consent they would assume she's " old enough."

Right now, it's MY belly button. When she's over 18, it's then her belly button and she can do whatever she wants with it.

A day after your ass moves out

This and this

[Apoc]

14 is fine. Its a piercing, not a devil worshiping ritual...

[OneSickPsycho]

14 is fine. Its a piercing, not a devil worshiping ritual...

Unless it is.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pQdm-oxm2aQ/TW3YHWM6O2I/AAAAAAAAAOU/-KmNh1Tq8L4/s1600/Satanic%2BCorpse%2Bbitch.jpg%2B2.jpg

[Kaneman]

13-14 year old girls are already giving blowjobs so I don't really think a belly button ring is going to cause much harm at that point.

[defector]

Never! Piercings are a "gateway" body modification. Next thing you know they are getting eyeliner tattoos, and fake tits installed. Who wants to see a chick with a BB piercing, eyeliner and huge fake titties?

Wait a minute......:lol:

[Method]

Unless it is.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pQdm-oxm2aQ/TW3YHWM6O2I/AAAAAAAAAOU/-KmNh1Tq8L4/s1600/Satanic%2BCorpse%2Bbitch.jpg%2B2.jpg

That chick/dude has definitely cornered the market on looking attractive for that one other person that prefers tons of white/black makeup, weirdly freckled arms, dyed hair, self portrait t-shirts, cheap tin star necklaces and living in an upper-middle class suburban neighborhood. (Judging by the front door in the background)

Perhaps a self hating ginger? I see freckles!

[Huy]

Who wants to see a chick with a BB piercing, eyeliner and huge fake titties?

Wait a minute......:lol:


:lol

While funny......when you have a daughter everything changes. I'm betting the guys that don't see issue with it at a young age don't go home every night to a daughter of their own.

I don't want MY daughter getting ANYTHING, EVER...or even considering dating...until she's 30.

But that's not reality.

Reality is when she's considered an adult, and in charge of her own body, then I can't govern what she does with it. But until that day, by God, it ain't happening!

[Krypt Keeper]

My daughter turned 18 back in May. I took her to my tattoo artist to get her first tattoo as a birthday present. I have 9 myself from him and he also did my tongue ring. Been going to him for almost 14 yrs. I don't trust just anyone with a needle.

I am fine with the ears being done, but anything else is an 18+ thing.

She did mention the other day about getting her nose done, but hey its her nose and she can pick the boogers out of it. :skep:

[Papa_Complex]

Somewhere between 1 and NEVER.

Agreed. Hate the things. Chrome is for cruisers and vintage cars, not women.

[Particle Man]

A day after your ass moves out

This. When she's self-sufficient she can do what she wants.

[Kaneman]

If it weren't for strict parents I probably never would've gotten laid as a teenager, so to all of you who have "control" over your daughters until they're 18 I extend this laurel and a hearty handshake.

[Rangerscott]

Never because theyre stupid.

[azoomm]

If it weren't for strict parents I probably never would've gotten laid as a teenager, so to all of you who have "control" over your daughters until they're 18 I extend this laurel and a hearty handshake.

That's me. Chastity belt installed and all.

:lol:

[Particle Man]

If it weren't for strict parents I probably never would've gotten laid as a teenager, so to all of you who have "control" over your daughters until they're 18 I extend this laurel and a hearty handshake.

Nah, I'm not strict. My daughter will be allowed to date.



When she's 30.

:lol:

[Trip]

18 as long as they can afford their own lodging/food/school/other bills.

[Kaneman]

That's me. Chastity belt installed and all.

:lol:

Nah, I'm not strict. My daughter will be allowed to date.



When she's 30.

:lol:

All I can say is thank God I never had a girl....that's gotta be tough.

[azoomm]

All I can say is thank God I never had a girl....that's gotta be tough.

Best thing that's happened in my daughters' view of life - their father knocked up a woman on a one-night-stand, and has spent the last four years "making it work" otherwise known as "doing the right thing."

They have come to understand, through their rotten ill-behaved step-brother, that there are ramifications to having unsafe sex. And, dieing might be getting out easy. :lol:

[Adeptus_Minor]

Ears, OK.
Anything else, when they are old enough to sign for it themselves.

Right now, it's MY belly button. When she's over 18, it's then her belly button and she can do whatever she wants with it.

A day after your ass moves out


Yeah, same here.
I didn't get ink until I was almost 30 (I'm not a piercing fan, myself). It's not going to kill her (or him) to wait until they're 18 and able to do it on their own.
At that point, though, I'll go with them to get it done and tip their artist just to be a supportive Dad. :D

[racedoll]

I think 13-14 is a bit young and would make them wait. I think I had to wait until I was this age to get my ears pierced.

[Particle Man]

All I can say is thank God I never had a girl....that's gotta be tough.

It's nerve racking, for sure. Changes your whole perspective.

[Captain Morgan]

Like some others have said, when she can legally sign for it herself. I took my 6 year old daughter to the county fair this week and I'm really dreading her growing up. The vast majority of the teenage girls at the fair were wearing coochie cutter shorts and tight shirts, many showing cleavage. And none of these girls were legal age. I absolutely do NOT want my daughter going out of the house dressed like that when she's a teenager. I really hope I can come up with some way to convince her to dress conservatively. It would be great if the style trend changes in the next 8 years. :lol:

[Adeptus_Minor]

I absolutely do NOT want my daughter going out of the house dressed like that when she's a teenager. I really hope I can come up with some way to convince her to dress conservatively. It would be great if the style trend changes in the next 8 years. :lol:

Yeah, who knows, maybe the Victorian era styles or the more subdued style of the 1930's will come back... but I wouldn't hold my breath. :whistle:

[Dave]

Yeah, who knows, maybe the Victorian era styles or the more subdued style of the 1930's will come back... but I wouldn't hold my breath. :whistle:

yes im sure all the really slutty girls will be wearing fully boned (no pun intended) hoop skirts in about five years :lol

[Adeptus_Minor]

yes im sure all the really slutty girls will be wearing fully boned (no pun intended) hoop skirts in about five years :lol

They could be adapted, but I'm thinking there are some styles that'll never come again...at least in mainstream society... because they're either too formal, too stuffy, or too expensive to replicate.

[Rangerscott]

Electrical taped nipples.

[LeeNetworX]

Ears, OK.

Anything else, when they are old enough to sign for it themselves.

I feel the same way. If we have a girl and she wants her ears pierced, sure. Anything else, when the kids are 18 or older, it's up to them.

[racedoll]

Like some others have said, when she can legally sign for it herself. I took my 6 year old daughter to the county fair this week and I'm really dreading her growing up. The vast majority of the teenage girls at the fair were wearing coochie cutter shorts and tight shirts, many showing cleavage. And none of these girls were legal age. I absolutely do NOT want my daughter going out of the house dressed like that when she's a teenager. I really hope I can come up with some way to convince her to dress conservatively. It would be great if the style trend changes in the next 8 years. :lol:

I used to say that if hubby & I would have kids, we'd turn Amish (some of his family is Amish)... then they wouldn't be mainstream with the way things are. Note: I'm not saying they wouldn't still sneak out, but they would learn differently. Plus it was all a joke.

[Gas Man]

Ears, OK.

Anything else, when they are old enough to sign for it themselves.

As I told my daughters, there are some things that lend the appearance you are older than initial impression. She looks "old enough" and if she has a piercing somewhere that required parental consent they would assume she's " old enough."

Right now, it's MY belly button. When she's over 18, it's then her belly button and she can do whatever she wants with it.

This is true.

13-14 year old girls are already giving blowjobs so I don't really think a belly button ring is going to cause much harm at that point.

Since nobody else gave you acknowledgement for this I will. This is very true, the rest of these parents just don't want to admit it. I know because I have a now 16 yr old brother, that was doing tt crap with 13-14yr old girls (when he was 14-15). The girls these days are super slutty and way way hotter. It's insane!

My wife, got her's done when she was 16... 12yrs ago for "the times" reference. And like she said just now, 14 is the new 16.

[Flexin]

I'm 36 and I have a daughter. When can she get hers done? Went can she afford her own place? I don't want here having that done while under my roof. She is also 4 so ask me again in 10 years. I doubt my opinion is going to change but you can ask again.

James

[Kaneman]

Since nobody else gave you acknowledgement for this I will. This is very true, the rest of these parents just don't want to admit it. I know because I have a now 16 yr old brother, that was doing tt crap with 13-14yr old girls (when he was 14-15). The girls these days are super slutty and way way hotter. It's insane!

My wife, got her's done when she was 16... 12yrs ago for "the times" reference. And like she said just now, 14 is the new 16.

Agreed.

I'm really surprised to see so much opposition to belly button rings. The whole "not under my roof" mentality (I would think) pits one against his or her daughter causing the daughter to act out in other ways. Guess which ways her hormones are going to push her?

The opposition to the belly button ring is because the ring is supposed to represent sex right?

[Particle Man]

Agreed.

I'm really surprised to see so much opposition to belly button rings. The whole "not under my roof" mentality (I would think) pits one against his or her daughter causing the daughter to act out in other ways. Guess which ways her hormones are going to push her?

The opposition to the belly button ring is because the ring is supposed to represent sex right?

No. It's more about making sure she's old enough to make informed and mature decisions. I don't oppose it but I was brought up with the "your body is yours when you can pay for any consequences" mentality and it worked quite well for both me and my sister. If you do it correctly, you don't get the "daughter against parent" thing. You can't just say no and "because I said so"

[Rangerscott]

Trip can hand out free herpes to her.

[Captain Morgan]

The opposition to the belly button ring is because the ring is supposed to represent sex right?

No. To me, it's more about the fact that girls want to show off the belly button rings, which generally requires dressing slutty to an extent. I'm fully aware that I can't force my daughter to dress Amish, but I'm going to do my best to raise her to be modest and to make good decisions. Regardless of your thoughts that "they're going to do stuff anyway, so no point trying to stop them," I fully believe that parents need to set specific rules for their children.

[Particle Man]

Oh and: I'm not my kid's freaking friend. I'm their parent.

[LeeNetworX]

....

Love the new avatar - great show.

[Trip]

I think most visible body piercings/tattoos make you look retarded/trashy. That's why I wouldn't let any kid of mine do it. That's an opinion. Just the same as some of you think people with auto trannies are douches. Now go put on your max a/c and keep your heads from overheating.

[LeeNetworX]

So how many of you would let your 16 year old pierce their foot nipple, if they had one?

http://www.twowheelfix.com/showthread.php?t=19726

[Kaneman]

No. It's more about making sure she's old enough to make informed and mature decisions. I don't oppose it but I was brought up with the "your body is yours when you can pay for any consequences" mentality and it worked quite well for both me and my sister. If you do it correctly, you don't get the "daughter against parent" thing. You can't just say no and "because I said so"

Yea ok, but a belly button ring isn't anything even approaching permament...

[Kaneman]

Regardless of your thoughts that "they're going to do stuff anyway, so no point trying to stop them," I fully believe that parents need to set specific rules for their children.

That wasn't my contention. Mine is that if you bar them from doing something they want to do that they view as harmless then you're actually pushing them to have relations with boys.

"My Dad doesn't think I'm mature enough for a belly button ring, but Joey does....I bet he'll make out with me" I saw this a hundred times in high school.

[Trip]

That wasn't my contention. Mine is that if you bar them from doing something they want to do that they view as harmless then you're actually pushing them to have relations with boys.

"My Dad doesn't think I'm mature enough for a belly button ring, but Joey does....I bet he'll make out with me" I saw this a hundred times in high school.

Not getting a belly button ring won't mean they won't do that shit anyway. The girls with tattooes and piercings were extremely easy as well.

[Kaneman]

Not getting a belly button ring won't mean they won't do that shit anyway. The girls with tattooes and piercings were extremely easy as well.

Great point. So there are two kinds of females. Ones that put out because they're kinda slutty, and ones that put out because they're parents oppressed them. In the end....they all put out.

:lol:

j/k guys!

[Papa_Complex]

Not getting a belly button ring won't mean they won't do that shit anyway. The girls with tattooes and piercings were extremely easy as well.

The difference?

Advertising.

[Captain Morgan]

That wasn't my contention. Mine is that if you bar them from doing something they want to do that they view as harmless then you're actually pushing them to have relations with boys.

"My Dad doesn't think I'm mature enough for a belly button ring, but Joey does....I bet he'll make out with me" I saw this a hundred times in high school.

The problem is in bold. As their parent, it's our responsibility to provide them with the rules and standards because, as teenagers, they don't think rationally. This is where discussion with your children comes into play. You can't just say "because I said so," you have to have a mature discussion with them and help them understand the reasons. If they act like a 4 year old, they'll get treated like one. If they act in a mature and responsible manner, they'll get treated like an adult, within reason. They're still young, with impressionable minds and they still need to have rules and standards to meet.

[Particle Man]

The problem is in bold. As their parent, it's our responsibility to provide them with the rules and standards because, as teenagers, they don't think rationally. This is where discussion with your children comes into play. You can't just say "because I said so," you have to have a mature discussion with them and help them understand the reasons. If they act like a 4 year old, they'll get treated like one. If they act in a mature and responsible manner, they'll get treated like an adult, within reason. They're still young, with impressionable minds and they still need to have rules and standards to meet.

Damn, I am an inarticulate mofo. You said it better :lol:

[Trip]

You can always hope for unattractive children and then you have nothing to worry about as long as you don't let them join the band.

[Particle Man]

Band chicks definitely were slutty :lol:

[Papa_Complex]

That wasn't my contention. Mine is that if you bar them from doing something they want to do that they view as harmless then you're actually pushing them to have relations with boys.

"My Dad doesn't think I'm mature enough for a belly button ring, but Joey does....I bet he'll make out with me" I saw this a hundred times in high school.

Simple solution: Bar them from having sex with girls. Instant lesbian daughter. Then you won't have to worry about her getting pregnant.

[Fleck750]

Just take the sleazy, pierced, tattooed 14 year old to the bad side of town and see if she makes any money. :D

[Kaneman]

The problem is in bold. As their parent, it's our responsibility to provide them with the rules and standards because, as teenagers, they don't think rationally. This is where discussion with your children comes into play. You can't just say "because I said so," you have to have a mature discussion with them and help them understand the reasons. If they act like a 4 year old, they'll get treated like one. If they act in a mature and responsible manner, they'll get treated like an adult, within reason. They're still young, with impressionable minds and they still need to have rules and standards to meet.

Kinda like when my parents sat me down and had a rational conversation with me (age 12) to explain why I still wasn't allowed to watch rated R movies. Ahhh yes, I remember it like it were yesterday, the moment that launched my hardcore porn viewing career. :lol:

Belly button rings just aren't a big deal, and I don't think you'll convince any teen otherwise no matter how much rational sitting you do. I understand your sentiment and don't disagree with it, but in the end we're talking about a very minor non-permanent body piercing....we're not talking career setting life long face tattoos here.

Kids are smart. My 7 year old figured out all on his own that the school was lying to him about mohawks increasing aggression in young boys. They presented a rational argument for the banning of spiked hair, he called bullshit.

I guess my point is that if you want your kids to trust you on the important things that you teach them about life, you can't bullshit them about things that don't matter or you lose their trust in everything else you say.

[Trip]

Kinda like when my parents sat me down and had a rational conversation with me (age 12) to explain why I still wasn't allowed to watch rated R movies. Ahhh yes, I remember it like it were yesterday, the moment that launched my hardcore porn viewing career. :lol:

Belly button rings just aren't a big deal, and I don't think you'll convince any teen otherwise no matter how much rational sitting you do. I understand your sentiment and don't disagree with it, but in the end we're talking about a very minor non-permanent body piercing....we're not talking career setting life long face tattoos here.

Kids are smart. My 7 year old figured out all on his own that the school was lying to him about mohawks increasing aggression in young boys. They presented a rational argument for the banning of spiked hair, he called bullshit.

I guess my point is that if you want your kids to trust you on the important things that you teach them about life, you can't bullshit them about things that don't matter or you lose their trust in everything else you say.

You don't think they are a big deal. That's your opinion. Other people feel different. They can get a fake belly button ring if it's not that big of a deal.

As for mohawks, they are fine on little kids, as you get older you look like a dipshit as well.

[HokieDNA01]

My parents told me I couldn't have a BB ring when I was 15 so I pierced mine myself. Was never a slutty kid though (and I was in the band lol)

[Archren]

It's human psychology for them to push the big red button when you expressly tell them not to. Kinda like trying to tell Soldiers not to drink on deployments. If you tell them not to, chances are they're going to go out and do it anyway, if only just to spite you.

My girls are only 5 and 3 at this point... I'm going to try and learn whatever Jedi mind tricks my friends with older daughters (*cough*Moira*cough*) have so that I can then implement them on my kids. I'm thinking some form of reverse psychology is involved... :lol:

[Particle Man]

My parents told me I couldn't have a BB ring when I was 15 so I pierced mine myself. Was never a slutty kid though (and I was in the band lol)

You never went to band camp? :lol:

[Kaneman]

You don't think they are a big deal. That's your opinion. Other people feel different. They can get a fake belly button ring if it's not that big of a deal.

As for mohawks, they are fine on little kids, as you get older you look like a dipshit as well.

Lemme know when someone dies from a belly button ring.

Oh, and that's your opinion. Other people feel different about mohawks on adults.

[Trip]

Lemme know when someone dies from a belly button ring.

Oh, and that's your opinion. Other people feel different about mohawks on adults.

So if your kid wants to molest other kids, it's not a big deal because someone didn't die?

Exactly, my opinion is about as worthless as yours, but yours is just a little more worthless. :nee:

[Particle Man]

Lemme know when someone dies from a belly button ring.


Any piercing can be deadly if you end up with a staph infection.

[azoomm]

You can always hope for unattractive children and then you have nothing to worry about as long as you don't let them join the band.

Dammit, I have hot daughters and both are in band.

Shit.

[Trip]

Dammit, I have hot daughters and both are in band.

Shit.

That's different, hot ones date outside band. It's the geek unattractive ones that are the freaks.

[Captain Morgan]

Kinda like when my parents sat me down and had a rational conversation with me (age 12) to explain why I still wasn't allowed to watch rated R movies. Ahhh yes, I remember it like it were yesterday, the moment that launched my hardcore porn viewing career. :lol:

Belly button rings just aren't a big deal, and I don't think you'll convince any teen otherwise no matter how much rational sitting you do. I understand your sentiment and don't disagree with it, but in the end we're talking about a very minor non-permanent body piercing....we're not talking career setting life long face tattoos here.

Kids are smart. My 7 year old figured out all on his own that the school was lying to him about mohawks increasing aggression in young boys. They presented a rational argument for the banning of spiked hair, he called bullshit.

I guess my point is that if you want your kids to trust you on the important things that you teach them about life, you can't bullshit them about things that don't matter or you lose their trust in everything else you say.

So I guess I should just tell her to do whatever the hell she wants, huh? That way, she can't rebel against me at all since I won't have set any rules for her. I imagine she'll grow up to be a wonderful asset to society if I never tell her not to do anything.

And who ever said I was going to BS my daughter about anything?

[Particle Man]

Dammit, I have hot daughters and both are in band.

Shit.

Run

[azoomm]

That's different, hot ones date outside band. It's the geek unattractive ones that are the freaks.

*phew*

I do want a tattoo for her... right across the forehead.

JAILBAIT

:lol:

[Rangerscott]

Well. Its been five days. Time for a clit piercing.

[Papa_Complex]

*phew*

I do want a tattoo for her... right across the forehead.

JAILBAIT

:lol:

That would bring out the pedos.

[Dave]

That would bring out the pedos.

You rang?

[Papa_Complex]

See?

[Particle Man]

Classy :lol:

[Kaneman]

So if your kid wants to molest other kids, it's not a big deal because someone didn't die?

Exactly, my opinion is about as worthless as yours, but yours is just a little more worthless. :nee:

Come on man, WTF? We're comparing child molestation to belly button rings? Jesus H. Christ.

Any piercing can be deadly if you end up with a staph infection.

Which is much more likely to happen if your daughter is forced to pierce her belly button behind your back by having her friends do it without sterile instruments.

Why do you guys hate your daughters so much you want them to die of staff infections? Fuckin cold man...

So I guess I should just tell her to do whatever the hell she wants, huh? That way, she can't rebel against me at all since I won't have set any rules for her. I imagine she'll grow up to be a wonderful asset to society if I never tell her not to do anything.

And who ever said I was going to BS my daughter about anything?

No, you are taking what I wrote to the extreme to try to discredit it. Not once have I advocated letting your kids run wild. Nor have I promoted some type of in-house anarchy. Rules are very important, but stupid rules will break your family apart.

What I'm saying is that belly button rings are not inherently dangerous or life altering, and trying to convince your teen otherwise will cause them to distrust all the further advice and guidance you provide for them. The "my house my rules" mentality is only going to push them harder in the direction you don't want them to know.

There is always going to be some teen rebellion, no matter what you do. That is basic human nature and a by-product of people living with their parents far past the age that they are physically capable of taking care of themselves. That is the way our society is set up, no way around it. BUT, losing your kid's trust over some bullshit rule is far different than dealing with a little rebellion. If you maintain your kid's trust, and put yourself in their mind as a beacon of good advice, guidance and honesty then they will be much more likely to listen when you try to prevent TRULY destructive behavior such as having unprotected sex, trying methamphetamines, drinking and driving or even picking up a cigarette.

[anthonyk]

What I'm saying is that belly button rings are not inherently dangerous or life altering, and trying to convince your teen otherwise will cause them to distrust all the further advice and guidance you provide for them.

For some people, it doesn't have to be inherently dangerous or life altering. Hell, clothing choice is neither of those things, but some types of clothing and piercings can project an image that many people don't think is appropriate for a teenager. It's totally reasonable for parents to set expectations for their kids around this stuff.

[Trip]

Come on man, WTF? We're comparing child molestation to belly button rings? Jesus H. Christ.

I just chose something outrageous for the shock value. People have different ideals and values, just because it doesn't matter to you, doesn't mean it doesn't matter to some people.

[KSGregman]

Perception can become reality....

Create an image for yourself that you are a slut....create that perception....and it can become reality for those around you. I'm not a slut, I just LOOK like one!!!! Yeah....good luck with that argument. Why put yourself in such a tough position?

I've always encouraged my daughter (she's 16 now) to be mindful of the image she projects of herself....and to remind her that people who would base their assessment of her on her physical appearance aren't worth having around in the first place.

She's wicked smart...and pretty....and so far has a firm grip on her OWN sense of self worth. A worth based on merit....not appearance. She is STRONG in herself and it makes me proud of her....It's gotta be TOUGH to be a teenaged girl in this new society of ours.

[Particle Man]

I run my house my way :shrug:

[azoomm]

For some people, it doesn't have to be inherently dangerous or life altering. Hell, clothing choice is neither of those things, but some types of clothing and piercings can project an image that many people don't think is appropriate for a teenager. It's totally reasonable for parents to set expectations for their kids around this stuff.

Exactly.

Something doesn't have to be dangerous to be inappropriate. My daughters wanted acrylic nails. They asked, I said no. First, because I'm not paying for them to even be put on let alone to be kept up. And, they are something that lends the appearance that they are older than they might appear. My eldest will be 17 in August. It isn't about me [raar mean mommy] "putting my foot down." I'm one of those weird parents that actually has conversations with my kids.

There is nothing dangerous about getting fake nails. Just like there isn't anything dangerous about getting a belly button ring. I mean, Kaneman, what if your son wanted to eat Kraft cheese slice sandwiches for lunch everyday? It's not dangerous...

It's a crazy thing when you get these miniature adults that want to have their freedoms without any of the really difficult life decisions. She wants all the fun part of being a grown-up without the responsibility, just like any teenager. These decisions about piercings, tattoos, etc have everything to do with making bigger decisions when she's older. That's why it's a conversation and not a mandate.

[Particle Man]

It isn't about me [raar mean mommy] "putting my food down."

note to self: don't interrupt Moira's meals...

[Papa_Complex]

For some reason that made me think of...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UqFPujRZWo

[Trip]

I mean, Kaneman, what if your son wanted to eat Kraft cheese slice sandwiches for lunch everyday? It's not dangerous...

I forgot about him flipping his lid for that, LOL

[Kaneman]

I mean, Kaneman, what if your son wanted to eat Kraft cheese slice sandwiches for lunch everyday? It's not dangerous...



Strongly disagree.

Just for giggles I want to hear the anti-belly button ring argument as told from a parent to a 14 year old girl....

[Trip]

Strongly disagree.

Unfortunately, you are wrong. Won't kill him or make him sick. He just won't be your little body builder.

[Kaneman]

Unfortunately, you are wrong. Won't kill him or make him sick. He just won't be your little body builder.

Not true at all. The nutrition you provide for your child sets up his health for the rest of his life. There aren't many things more important than that. Will eating a cheese sandwich negatively affect his health? No, I doubt it. However, allowing him to establish a continuous cycle of poor eating habits, including eating a shitty lunch will limit his body's ability to grow to its full potential and those habits are likely to carry on far into adulthood. In most cases those poor eating habits will certainly lead to a myriad of diseases and body dysfunctions.

Unfortunately, you are wrong.

[Papa_Complex]

Not true at all. The nutrition you provide for your child sets up his health for the rest of his life. There aren't many things more important than that. Will eating a cheese sandwich negatively affect his health? No, I doubt it. However, allowing him to establish a continuous cycle of poor eating habits, including eating a shitty lunch will limit his body's ability to grow to its full potential and those habits are likely to carry on far into adulthood.

Unfortunately, you are wrong.

Funny, I feel the same way about body art and piercings.

[Kaneman]

Funny, I feel the same way about body art and piercings.

You feel that tattoos and body piercings lead to poor health, obesity and diabetes? How so?

[Trip]

Not true at all. The nutrition you provide for your child sets up his health for the rest of his life. There aren't many things more important than that. Will eating a cheese sandwich negatively affect his health? No, I doubt it. However, allowing him to establish a continuous cycle of poor eating habits, including eating a shitty lunch will limit his body's ability to grow to its full potential and those habits are likely to carry on far into adulthood. In most cases those poor eating habits will certainly lead to a myriad of diseases and body dysfunctions.

Unfortunately, you are wrong.

It may lead to that or the kid may grow out of his cheese phase and eat other things as his tastes changes. Unfortunately you are wrong because you can't predict eating habits, you can just make assinine guesses.

I hate vegetables as a kid and wouldn't eat them, now I can take out a plate of broccoli.

I wouldn't label a cheese sandwich as grossly unhealthy anyway.

[Papa_Complex]

You feel that tattoos and body piercings lead to poor health, obesity and diabetes? How so?

Same idea, different effect. They can lead to a poor body image and lack of self esteem, which can be just as self destructive as poor diet.

[Trip]

Oh, what if your kid rebels against your strict eating habits and wants to eat garbage. What you going to do then? LOL

[Kaneman]

It may lead to that or the kid may grow out of his cheese phase and eat other things as his tastes changes. Unfortunately you are wrong because you can't predict eating habits, you can just make assinine guesses.

I hate vegetables as a kid and wouldn't eat them, now I can take out a plate of broccoli.

I wouldn't label a cheese sandwich as grossly unhealthy anyway.

You can't predict your children's eating habits as an adult with 100% certainty anymore than you can ensure you aren't all going to die on the way to the grocery store after being hit by a semi. But you can do your best to set them up for that, and to ensure they are healthy throughout their childhood.

I would label American Cheese as grossly unhealthy. Especially if that's supposed to be an actual protein source.

Same idea, different effect. They can lead to a poor body image and lack of self esteem, which can be just as self destructive as poor diet.

That's pretty subjective, got anything to back it up?

Oh, what if your kid rebels against your strict eating habits and wants to eat garbage. What you going to do then? LOL

I'm going to let him, provided he can pay for the garbage food himself. In fact, I fully expect him to rebel against our eating habits. At some point he's going to want a fucking Sprite I'd imagine. Or maybe not, since he's not addicted to any food additives and does not have a sweet tooth.

[Papa_Complex]

That's pretty subjective, got anything to back it up?

Personal experience and the contents of every trailer park, that I've ever seen.

[Kaneman]

Personal experience and the contents of every trailer park, that I've ever seen.

And how do you account for the millions upon millions of successful adults with tattoos and piercings that do not have any self-esteem issues beyond that of a societal norm?

[Papa_Complex]

And how do you account for the millions upon millions of successful adults with tattoos and piercings that do not have any self-esteem issues beyond that of a societal norm?

That they actually have such issues and are successful, because they push themselves to try and escape what they see as failure.

How do you account for all of the people who eat "American Cheese", but don't weigh 450 lbs?

[Kaneman]

How do you account for all of the people who eat "American Cheese", but don't weigh 450 lbs?

Crystal Meth.

[anthonyk]

Leaving aside adults for a minute, I'd guess there are plenty of parents out there who don't want to encourage fashion trends that seem to sexualize teenage (and younger) girls. I'd put a belly button ring squarely in that category.

Establishing the morals you want your kid to live by as an adult is just as important as establishing good nutrition.

[Papa_Complex]

Crystal Meth.

Substitute coke for meth, and you can tie that right into the "successful people with tattoos" thing.

[Trip]

And how do you account for the millions upon millions of successful adults with tattoos and piercings that do not have any self-esteem issues beyond that of a societal norm?

How do you account for the people that eat american cheese that don't have any health problems beyond the societal norm?

[HokieDNA01]

Damn it now I want a grilled cheese!

[Rangerscott]

Damn it now I want a grilled cheese!

That shouldnt be difficult since you should be in the kitchen.

[Particle Man]

That shouldnt be difficult since you should be in the kitchen.

:lmao:

[HokieDNA01]

I should be in the kitchen but i'm heading to the track (tomorrow)

[the chi]

Personal experience and the contents of every trailer park, that I've ever seen.

Sooooo...Azoomm, myself, Ontwo, and a few others round here are trash, with poor self esteem and body image because we have big tattoos and piercings and we belong in the trailer park?

Damn, wish somebody had told me that... :skep:

And how do you account for the millions upon millions of successful adults with tattoos and piercings that do not have any self-esteem issues beyond that of a societal norm?

What he said.

That they actually have such issues and are successful, because they push themselves to try and escape what they see as failure.


Hmmmm, never saw myself as a failure in any way shape or form...how bout the rest of you with body adornment? Are you all secretly failures at heart who decorate yourselves to show you really are trash but are making a go of being a success?

Maybe you should reconsider that train of thought...you just grouped a huge amount of folks into a very small box that probably isnt correct. Im not saying that you are all wrong, but putting everyone with tattoos and piercings into the trailer trash loser group is probably a bit narrow minded. Tattoos are pretty main stream these days.

As far as the piercings and tats go, even tho Im not a parent, I advise anyone, especially youngins asking about mine to wait until they are old enough to understand the repercussions and able to make a wise decision (like dont get that shit on your face, or your neck, or anywhere it could negatively impact your future). Whether they listen or not I cant control, but Im in the, wait till youre old enough to sign/pay/accept the consequences group. I didnt get my first tat till I was in my twenties. I told my sisters all this, they still went out as soon as they hit 18 and got shitty tats in not great locations. Cant control them and they were legal adults.

I also tell them not to go cheap, to see the artists work before they let some drunk/high guy put it on their body, and to get something original, not the springbreak dolphin that everyone and they brother/sister/cousin, etc has...that may or may not live in the trailer park. :lol:

[Papa_Complex]

I was endeavouring to show how ridiculous his original premise was, but he never caught on ;)

[the chi]

Ahh, I'll refrain from giving you a hard time then. :wink: It just struck me as funny, considering our tat threads and the folks who post in it.

[askmrjesus]

I don't really get the whole piercing thing in general.

Human shower curtains walking around with four dozen earrings in one ear, hipster dudes with giant washers stuck in there, fuck dude, how big does that hole have to get, before you're finally happy?

Nipple piercings? WTF? Is this a high crime area? Are you going to chain them down at night, so nobody steals them? Clitoral hood ornaments? Yikes. I don't even have the desire to have sex in a hardware store, let alone with a hardware store.

The belly button thing? I have no idea. What am I supposed to do with that, hang a work light from it?

JC

[Papa_Complex]

The belly button thing? I have no idea. What am I supposed to do with that, hang a work light from it?

JC

Only if your tackle is hard to find in the dark.

[Particle Man]

The belly button thing? I have no idea. What am I supposed to do with that, hang a work light from it?

JC

Snorkel clip

[Trip]

Snorkel clip

Baiting the hook for douchebags

[Papa_Complex]

Douchbags require no bait.

[Kaneman]

I was endeavouring to show how ridiculous his original premise was, but he never caught on ;)

I'm pretty sure my "crystal meth" post was pretty good evidence I was on to you the whole time. Fuck face. :lol:

[Papa_Complex]

I'm pretty sure my "crystal meth" post was pretty good evidence I was on to you the whole time. Fuck face. :lol:

Bullshit. I sank that hook deep and you ran with it.

[Kaneman]

Bullshit. I sank that hook deep and you ran with it.

I looked back and didn't see any posts that actually required effort from me...so I'm gonna say, "Ummmmm....No."