Three cheers for Nashville!

[Papa_Complex]

The short strokes: A call centre company in Oshawa, Ontario, walks all the employees out, doesn't pay them (some people are owed 4 weeks pay, and slaps "bankruptcy" notices on the doors. They haven't filed a legal notice of bankruptcy with either the Province.

It is then found that they are moving operations to a new call centre, for a new client, to Nashville, Tennessee, where they've been told they'll receive a $1.6M 'job creation' grant. The mayor of Nashville finds out and the grant is cut, because obviously this company can't be trusted to stick around after they've received the money.

The Oshawa workers still haven't been paid, but the government is now getting involved.

@ 17:45

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TorontoNewHome/20110719/officials-question-canadian-call-centre-closure-110719/

[Particle Man]

shady shit. good on Nashville for yanking the dough

[Papa_Complex]

From the sound of things Bell Canada, which seems to have been their biggest (only?) client here, didn't know that they were moving out either. I expect that it'll be tough to get hold of someone if I have trouble with my cell phone now.

[Particle Man]

Can you hear me now?

[Papa_Complex]

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[askmrjesus]

I'm not surprised they folded. Canada is a terrible place for a call center.

"Welcome to the Oshawa, Ontario call center. For English, please press one. For Canadian, please press two. For French Canadian, please die you fucking assholes."

JC

[Papa_Complex]

I'm not surprised they folded. Canada is a terrible place for a call center.

"Welcome to the Oshawa, Ontario call center. For English, please press one. For Canadian, please press two. For French Canadian, please die you fucking assholes."

JC

They thought ahead, on that one. They had a call centre in Quebec too, to save a button press on getting to the "please die you fucking assholes" line.

[KSGregman]

/offtopic

The Quebec-ouis are such douche bags the French won't even claim them. :rofl:

/ontopic

Amazing that they got caught....the amount of graft and corruption involved in States bribing companies to attract new business is staggering. It's usually right out in the open, too.....people just don't pay attention.

The company I work for (a tier one supplier of commercial airplane assemblies and components) just built a new plant in North Carolina....made all kinds of promises about new job creation in order to obtain the big incentives to come (bribes), the land (tax free for the land and all improvements...which will be substantial as we'll be building the A350 components there) and favorable tax treatment on revenue. And who benefits from all this largesse? The shareholders of this Company. Who gets stuck with the tab? The tax paying citizens of North Carolina.

All that money stolen right out from under their noses....and they are too busy arguing over how best to kill Casey Anthony....or whether or not J-Lo is really getting divorced to pay attention to how badly they are being fleeced. :idk:

[Homeslice]

The company I work for (a tier one supplier of commercial airplane assemblies and components) just built a new plant in North Carolina....made all kinds of promises about new job creation in order to obtain the big incentives to come (bribes), the land (tax free for the land and all improvements...which will be substantial as we'll be building the A350 components there) and favorable tax treatment on revenue. And who benefits from all this largesse? The shareholders of this Company. Who gets stuck with the tab? The tax paying citizens of North Carolina.


I'd image that over the long run, that company's income tax is going to more than make up for any bribes the government paid.

[Papa_Complex]

I'd image that over the long run, that company's income tax is going to more than make up for any bribes the government paid.

The company's income tax? I think you mean the income tax of the employees.

[KSGregman]

I'd image that over the long run, that company's income tax is going to more than make up for any bribes the government paid.

You need to get more familiar with how the game is played. Corporations don't pay taxes...not on real estate....and ESPECIALLY not on "income."

Any income we generate in North Carolina will be offset by losses in Malaysia....or Scotland. No, there will no "income" to tax, I can assure you of that. It's a "game"....Corporations wrote the rules (well, technically paid their hired politicians to write the rules but the effect is the same)...and it's a "game" they don't lose.

The EMPLOYEES of the facility will certainly pay taxes....and at a high rate too....33% or more, usually.

The "game" is long since lost and apparently you are only now becoming aware that a game was even being played?

I guess that saying is true....."What the American people DON'T know is what makes them the American people."

It's a fucking shame....but...it's true.

[Particle Man]

I'd image that over the long run, that company's income tax is going to more than make up for any bribes the government paid.

It's already been said but, what company income tax?

[Homeslice]

I guess I'm not sure what you guys are talking about. Corporations do pay income tax, to both the feds as well as most states.

[Particle Man]

I guess I'm not sure what you guys are talking about. Corporations do pay income tax, to both the feds as well as most states.

Most also get tax breaks, incentives, and loopholes that equal the amount they are supposed to pay as "income tax"

Edit: link didn't work. Oh well

[Homeslice]

Most also get tax breaks that equal the amount they are supposed to pay as "income tax"

If you're talking about oil companies, yes. Everyone else........not really.

Unless you guys really think that state & local governments kiss all that corporate ass for nothing?

[Papa_Complex]

If you're talking about oil companies, yes. Everyone else........not really.

Unless you guys really think that state & local governments kiss all that corporate ass for nothing?

Again, that's because of the money injected into the economy through salaries/income tax of the employees.

http://bigthink.com/ideas/19511

[Homeslice]

Again, that's because of the money injected into the economy through salaries/income tax of the employees.

http://bigthink.com/ideas/19511

Your article talks about how multinationals structure their losses in the US and their profits overseas. It doesn't talk about what you're saying.

If you guys have proof that the average business pays zero net tax (after all the breaks and incentives have been subtracted) to its state of residence, then I'll agree with you.

And notice I said average company.......not just GE or the big huge ones like that.

[Particle Man]

Your article talks about how multinationals structure their losses in the US and their profits overseas. It doesn't talk about what you're saying.

If you guys have proof that the average business pays zero net tax (after all the breaks and incentives have been subtracted) to its state of residence, then I'll agree with you.

And notice I said average company.......not just GE or the big huge ones like that.

Yeah, the original link I had used to list actual income tax paid by company. It goes somewhere else now. Grrr

[Particle Man]

New links:

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/study-tallies-corporations-not-paying-income-tax/

http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/12/news/economy/corporate_taxes/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/08/12/us-usa-taxes-corporations-idUSN1249465620080812

Still looking for the original lists and the amount paid.

[RedRider2k2]

I'm not surprised they folded. Canada is a terrible place for a call center.

Actually it's kinda nice having them here. A lot of companies in Canada do the old "1 for English, 2 for French" but pressing 1 usually gets you, at best, broken english from another country. If you press 2 for french, odds are you will speak to a Canadian who is bilingual and probably speaks better english than french anyway.