Jon Stewert on Ron Paul

[RACER X]

http://vimeo.com/27757870

[AquaPython]

i dont understand why left and right media (and in between) is shutting him down

[shmike]

i dont understand why left and right media (and in between) is shutting him down

He doesn't play ball.

[Avatard]

i dont understand why left and right media (and in between) is shutting him down

It's shameful, and sad. It hurts the process.

[azoomm]

He doesn't play ball.

And, he's not *hot*

I mean, clearly you have to be attractive to make good decisions about how to run this country. :skep:

[HurricaneHeather]

Here's how someone explained it to me:

I have many theories as to why they ignore him. Let me see if I can make this concise on my main reason for believing so... Government is not run by the politicians, it's run by special interests, corporations and lobbyists with loads of money. The people who contribute money to politicians for their campaigns to get them in office expect them to favor legislation that supports their interests. Now think of who some of these corporations are that have loads of money... Main stream media many of whom I would bet are players on wall street. They know that Ron Paul can not be bought or controlled and therefore they don't WANT him to win because they realize that he will only favor legislation that adheres to the constitution. They know that he will literally clean house, do away with subsidies, he wants to go back to the gold standard (which will mess with the stock market). Does that make sense Heather? Now that Stewart has outed the media, they are trying to at least mention him but all they keep saying is that he is unelectable, because they want the "sheeple" to believe that. They want people to vote against him even if they like him.

[AquaPython]

lose lose situation... we need somebody to take this mother back down to it's foundations and rebuild it right, and for the people, not for the business, (like how it was intended, like how it was.) before we go the way of the Romans, et al.

[shmike]

Here's how someone explained it to me:

I have many theories as to why they ignore him. Let me see if I can make this concise on my main reason for believing so... Government is not run by the politicians, it's run by special interests, corporations and lobbyists with loads of money. The people who contribute money to politicians for their campaigns to get them in office expect them to favor legislation that supports their interests. Now think of who some of these corporations are that have loads of money... Main stream media many of whom I would bet are players on wall street. They know that Ron Paul can not be bought or controlled and therefore they don't WANT him to win because they realize that he will only favor legislation that adheres to the constitution. They know that he will literally clean house, do away with subsidies, he wants to go back to the gold standard (which will mess with the stock market). Does that make sense Heather? Now that Stewart has outed the media, they are trying to at least mention him but all they keep saying is that he is unelectable, because they want the "sheeple" to believe that. They want people to vote against him even if they like him.

Pretty good summary.

Unfortunately, I believe that he IS unelectable.

Why? Because they say he is.

[HurricaneHeather]

Pretty good summary.

Unfortunately, I believe that he IS unelectable.

Why? Because they say he is.

Possibly. But that won't stop me from writing him in...again in 2012. :shrug:

A girl can hope, right? :lol:

[dubbs]

I think this is the last time he has to get elected, next term he will be 80 so everyone will think he's too old. It will be tough, but he did come in 2nd after Bachman bought 150% of her votes.. This time it seems a little different on how much more aware people are of how the mainstream media is doing this, plus we also have social media which makes up a shit load of ppl.. And besides the fact that he just makes the most sense out of any politician I've ever heard.

With his campaign contribution money he flies commercially and stays in super 8 motels. So when he complains about the molesting that goes on at airports, he's actually going through it, just a real guy that I feel would do so much for this country.. It's early yet, but I've got a good feeling about it for some reason.

[RACER X]

BUT even if he got elected, you think he can really make change?

w/ the dems and repubs where they are, they can't make anything change. what makes you think RP is going to make things happen.

[Avatard]

Nothing highlights bullshit more than someone speaking frankly, and honestly in a firm voice.

He'd embarrass them into action.

[Kaneman]

BUT even if he got elected, you think he can really make change?

w/ the dems and repubs where they are, they can't make anything change. what makes you think RP is going to make things happen.

Because he could possibly rally the actual populace of this country to act instead of just sitting there.... Maybe...

[dubbs]

BUT even if he got elected, you think he can really make change?

w/ the dems and repubs where they are, they can't make anything change. what makes you think RP is going to make things happen.

True, he can't just end the fed on his own, he needs the legislative branch to help him with that, but there are a few things that he can do as commander in chief such as bringing all of the troops home.. Even the ones stationed over seas in countries like South Korea and Germany. I think he has the ability to sway congress into revoking the patriot act.. Not 100% on it, but I think being the president they may take his arguments a little more seriously. Either way, at least you know you'll have someone at the top who can't be bought.

[OneSickPsycho]

BUT even if he got elected, you think he can really make change?

w/ the dems and repubs where they are, they can't make anything change. what makes you think RP is going to make things happen.

No, but he could take a page out of Obama's book and just continue to campaign throughout his presidency... however, instead of campaigning against one side, he'd campaign against both. Basically "here's the real deal" folks sort of speeches... concluding with, "vote against EVERY incumbant next election unless they start working together..." Shake things up for the interim elections.

He'd probably be assasignated in before he even took office.

[dubbs]

He'd probably be assasignated in before he even took office.

Unfortunately that may happen.. I've been noticing his security team in interviews though, I think he's more aware of it now, but if they really want to get him, it will only be a matter of time, sadly.

[shmike]

BUT even if he got elected, you think he can really make change?

w/ the dems and repubs where they are, they can't make anything change. what makes you think RP is going to make things happen.

Possibly...

Nothing highlights bullshit more than someone speaking frankly, and honestly in a firm voice.

He'd embarrass them into action.

Because he could possibly rally the actual populace of this country to act instead of just sitting there.... Maybe...

Yep.

He's even got the script right here: (Starting at 2:10)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlSd9OURbCE

[Corey]

It's early yet, but I've got a good feeling about it for some reason.

How early it is scares me. He's getting some heat now because people are not happy with the state of the nation, yet we're not in the big push yet. The competing Dems, Republicans, and the media will give him enough rope to hang himself and then jump on any misstep they can to discredit his potential candidacy. He's too much of a radical for the Republican party. I hope to god I'm dead wrong, but I'd put money on it. Voters want different, but familiar different. They aren't ready for a radical change in policy.

[dubbs]

How early it is scares me. He's getting some heat now because people are not happy with the state of the nation, yet we're not in the big push yet. The competing Dems, Republicans, and the media will give him enough rope to hang himself and then jump on any misstep they can to discredit his potential candidacy. He's too much of a radical for the Republican party. I hope to god I'm dead wrong, but I'd put money on it. Voters want different, but familiar different. They aren't ready for a radical change in policy.

Well he's been doing and saying the same thing since 1971.. so an extra year and a half doesn't scare me about tripping up.

With the state of the country, the unstable stock market, and lack of jobs.. It might be that time to be that radical..

[Corey]

Well he's been doing and saying the same thing since 1971.. so an extra year and a half doesn't scare me about tripping up.

With the state of the country, the unstable stock market, and lack of jobs.. It might be that time to be that radical..

His problem is going to be stupid voters. He will be at the mercy of voters with extremely short term memory and extremely high voter apathy. Most voters are, unfortunately, incredibly stupid. They will wait until it's down to one democrat and one republican. He will not get the support necessary to beat the republican candidates. His political views disrupt the cottage industries that are deeply rooted in maintaining the status quo. The financing necessary to stage an effect run will not exist for him because he's a threat to the lobbyists. He'll be shut down long before he can reach the appropriate national stage to actually sway potential voters. If he's elected to be the Republican candidate, then it's a completely different ball game. He's got an incredibly good chance of beating Obama if he reaches that final stage, but until then, he's fighting an uphill battle with people who are looking to maintain the status quo.

[pauldun170]

He doesn't get coverage because he has already proven he has no shot. Other candidates with no shot get coverage because they generate entertaining sound bites. Ron Paul has great commentary but a life time of bitching and complaining just doesn't cut it. Criticizing the solutions other folks have come up with to address problems only goes so far if you never come up with a viable solution yourself. Ron Paul is the manual transmission of the political landscape.

[udman]

No, Ron Paul is like the seatbelt buzzer. Just bitches and complains that something is wrong but can't actually do anything about it.

[101lifts2]

No, Ron Paul is like the seatbelt buzzer. Just bitches and complains that something is wrong but can't actually do anything about it.

You sir are wrong. The problem IS that the government bureaucrats are corporate whores. His solution is to get rid of it. :idk:

[101lifts2]

He doesn't get coverage because he has already proven he has no shot. Other candidates with no shot get coverage because they generate entertaining sound bites. Ron Paul has great commentary but a life time of bitching and complaining just doesn't cut it. Criticizing the solutions other folks have come up with to address problems only goes so far if you never come up with a viable solution yourself. Ron Paul is the manual transmission of the political landscape.

There will be a day when Americans don't care about the American Idol type presidents....when they have no jobs and are broke as fuck.

[dubbs]

Your wrong. The problem IS what the government does in most cases to promote corporate whoring. A solution is to get rid of it. :idk:

Yup and if you listen to him speak, he has a lot of solutions for a lot of big issues.

[Captain Morgan]

"This video does not exist"

[Corey]

It's a conspiracy! The Man is trying to keep him down.

Or it's a typical copyright violation. One of the two.

[goof2]

I'll be very general and lump all the media together. Paul doesn't get coverage because the media sucks. He isn't one of their darlings so they won't give him the big sloppy kiss they gave Obama. He also happens to be smart as hell and knows his stuff. As a result they won't have him on and try to make him look stupid. Most in the media don't strike me as particularly smart. It is hard to make a smart and knowledgeable person look dumb when you don't know shit about anything that isn't scrolling on a teleprompter.

That being said, I tend to believe a lack of coverage, and resulting lack of detail, actually helps Ron Paul. The lack of information allows people to see what they want to see in him.

The reality is Ron Paul is absolutely, unquestionably, un-electable. Just look at a few of Paul's positions.

Obama has been hammered by the left for not hitting the rich with higher taxes. How do you think they are going to react to someone who wants to get rid of income taxes entirely? How do you think the roughly 50% of Americans who either don't pay income taxes or get paid by the government to live will react?

How about not only getting rid of Obamacare, but getting rid of Medicare and Medicaid as well? Paul Ryan has been demonized for wanting to only subsidize the purchase of insurance for seniors rather than just paying for the care outright. I'm sure the guy coming in with the "If you can't afford healthcare, then doctors will just provide it out of the goodness of their own hearts" plan is going to do great though.

Throw in Ron Paul's positions on the gold standard, foreign policy/military, the Department of Education, the Civil Rights Act, and border security/immigration and he has a position that will kill a vote from just about everyone. You can try to blame it on whoever you want but Ron Paul is unelectable because people will not vote for him.:shrug: