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Kaneman
09-02-2011, 09:56 AM
Staff Sergeant Jared Hagemann, an Army Ranger in the 2nd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment at Ft. Lewis, Wash., was found on June 28 at a training area on base with a gunshot wound to the head. He was suffering from severe Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and had been trying desperately to avoid a pending deployment to Afghanistan—what would be his 9th combat tour. He was 26-years-old, with a wife and two young children.

In 2005, SSG Hagemann came home from his first combat tour with both psychological trauma and reservations about the war he had just been a part of.

His wife, Ashley Joppa-Hagemann, said that when he returned from that first tour: “He was quiet, and wouldn't look people in the eye. He wanted to remain hidden; he didn't want to be around people.”

He was later diagnosed with a so-called “mood adjustment disorder,” then finally correctly diagnosed with PTSD.

SSG Hagemann had psychological trauma after that first deployment. But in the U.S. military, that does not exempt you from deploying to combat again. So, SSG Hagemann went on another tour, and then another, and then another, and another, and another, and yet another combat tour.

After seven grueling tours to Iraq and Afghanistan, SSG Hagemann had enough.

His opposition to deploying was two-fold. First, he was crippled by the effects of PTSD. “He couldn’t even go to the grocery store with me,” said Ashley. "He would try, and then have to run back to the car and wait there.”

Second, the reality on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan was undeniable to SSG Hagemann. He had turned against the wars, politically. “He told me that the politicians were just lying about why we were there, that the wars were just hurting innocent people,” said Ashley.

SSG Hagemann was determined to not deploy again. But in the U.S. military, there is a standard response for trying to receive help for PTSD.

“People mocked him. They judged him,” said Ashley. “They told him to ‘man up. Take a sleeping pill. You’re fine. It’s all in your head.’”

SSG Hagemann was assigned to tasks and duties reserved for “troublemakers.” As for his PTSD symptoms, he was ordered to attend an “anger management” class. This was the extent of the treatment he received.

The Army’s only ‘option’

He was offered one option—2/75 Ranger Regiment said that if he just went on one more combat tour, he could be done and released to attend college. SSG Hagemann re-enlisted because of this deal, and he agreed to one final tour.

However, upon returning home, his company commander told him that the deal was invalid. He was to deploy a ninth time, and likely more afterward.

Ranger Regiment, a branch of U.S. Army Special Operations, is officially a “voluntary” unit. “But they wouldn’t let him leave,” said Ashley. “He wanted out but they wouldn’t let him.”

SSG Hagemann’s deployment was rapidly approaching—he had gone through all the proper channels, from seeing psychologists to re-enlisting with the promise of being non-deployable, but was rejected at every turn. “By June of this year, he finally had enough,” recalls Ashley, “He told me, ‘I’m not going, no matter what. I’m not going.’”

According to Ashley, SSG Hagemann felt he had exhausted every possible option. After dutifully serving the orders of the U.S. government, spending years of his life at war, SSG Hagemann got relief for his debilitating PTSD the only way he thought he could—by shooting himself in the head, alone in the bushes on Ft. Lewis.

“The only thing he had control of was how he ended his own life. For that I blame his chain of command.”

But 2/75 Ranger Regiment was not done making a mockery of SSG Hagemann’s life. They refused to give him a memorial service, standard honors for any service member who dies, regardless of the nature of their death.

The military’s explanation for denying him a memorial: “They told me they didn’t want it to attract media attention,” reported Ashley.

Well, contrary to the wishes of 2/75 Ranger Regiment, SSG Hagemann is attracting quite a bit of media attention. There is now a campaign to hold accountable those responsible, and enact sweeping changes throughout the entire failed system. Click here to sign the petition in support of the campaign.

Fighting for change

The case of SSG Hagemann was first exposed by March Forward! in early August, as we organized a public speak-out at Ft. Lewis to denounce the Army’s criminal negligence regarding soldiers with PTSD.

March Forward! had been rallying around the case of Sgt. Derrick Kirkland, another soldier at Ft. Lewis who committed suicide after being publicly humiliated and completely neglected by mental health officials. Sgt. Kirkland was rated a “low risk for suicide” after three documented attempts.

Sgt. Kirkland’s mother, Mary Corkhill-Kirkland, had just flown to Ft. Lewis to join active-duty soldiers and veterans, including friends of Sgt. Kirkland, to increase the public pressure on the Ft. Lewis command. One of the flyers made it into Ashley's hands, and she contacted us and joined the speak out.

Because of the media attention already generated around our work in the area, March Forward! was able to shine a spotlight on the case of SSG Hagemann, which quickly became a national story. Click here to watch the first news story that broke the case.

Now, Ashley has joined with Mary Corkhill-Kirkland, and veterans and active-duty troops in March Forward! in the struggle to drastically change the mental health system within the military, and to end the root cause of the PTSD crisis: the reckless orders of Washington to send young people to fight endlessly in two unpopular wars in which we have no reason to fight.

In Ashley’s own words, “My husband wanted change. That’s why I’m fighting now.”

Ashley has heroically stood up, as have many other veterans and military families. But we need others to stand with us. Those who have had similar experiences, or know someone who has, should join us in exposing the military’s unwillingess to address the suicide epidemic in any meaningful way—and fight with us to change it.

As we plan many actions in the months ahead to expose the military’s crimes and force real change, we will need your help and support. It is the unified action of active-duty troops, veterans, military families and supporters who have the power to change the military’s status quo.

Kaneman
09-02-2011, 09:57 AM
America.....FUCK YEAH!!

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f118/marker11/team-America.jpg

Dave
09-02-2011, 10:02 AM
What a bitch

azoomm
09-02-2011, 10:25 AM
Jeez. Re-enlisted with a promise to not deploy? NINE tours? hellova thanks for serving....

RIP

the chi
09-02-2011, 10:25 AM
Fuckin A. 26 years old and NINE TOURS?! My heart goes out to his family. Thats utter bullshit. Tho I completely believe the failure to address the mental issues. Man up and all that, used to it was "dont admit your screwed in the head, they'll kick you out and take all your benefits". Now apparently they just keep sending you to war till you take care of it yourself.

askmrjesus
09-02-2011, 10:39 AM
Fuckin A. 26 years old and NINE TOURS?! My heart goes out to his family. Thats utter bullshit.

This.

Nine tours is just fucking crazy.

JC

Tmall
09-02-2011, 11:07 AM
8 tours in 6 years? How is that even allowed?

OneSickPsycho
09-02-2011, 11:11 AM
I'm thinking he could have shot himself in the foot to get out of going back...

fatbuckRTO
09-02-2011, 11:40 AM
He was offered one option—2/75 Ranger Regiment said that if he just went on one more combat tour, he could be done and released to attend college. SSG Hagemann re-enlisted because of this deal, and he agreed to one final tour.

However, upon returning home, his company commander told him that the deal was invalid. He was to deploy a ninth time, and likely more afterward.

Ranger Regiment, a branch of U.S. Army Special Operations, is officially a “voluntary” unit. “But they wouldn’t let him leave,” said Ashley. “He wanted out but they wouldn’t let him.”
This problem is rife in the Army, even moreso than other services, which has surprised me. A friend of mine who is a soldier was promised something similar, and then ultimately court-martialed for trying to follow through on the Army's promise.

The charge on his court-martial read "scheduling a college test."

(the charges were, after a two-year struggle, reduced to an Article 15 hearing, from which the charges were dismissed)

As a former member of the Marine Corps and the Navy, I have been exposed to all four services. I've been placed under multiple Army commands, and been stationed on an Air Force base multiple times. The Army is the only service I would vehemently disuade any and everyone from joining. For every SSG Hagemann in the news, there are tens of thousands of soldiers in the same predicament.

KSGregman
09-02-2011, 12:02 PM
We have Imperial Armies scattered all over the world...at an ENORMOUS cost to us....financially....and morally.

And no one knows....no one cares....stubbornly burying their heads in the sand against ALL evidence....A tiny fraction of the population....volunteers....bearing the burden of our imperial ambitions....while the vast majority of us have no fucking clue of the sacrifices being made....the true cost of our imperial ambitions....and to whom the spoils go....(just a hint, it's not "you and me"...the average every day American....it's the Haliburton's....and hundreds of companies just like them.)

How can we set about solving the Nation's problems when a) the vast majority of people see the symptoms of the problems EVERY FUCKING DAY and yet refuse to acknowledge their existence....and b) the deck is stacked sooooooooooooo far in favor from those who benefit from our post WW2 conversion from a Republic to an Empire?

derf
09-02-2011, 12:06 PM
8 tours in 6 years? How is that even allowed?

Ranger Regiments, when they say tours they mean one off specialty missions that they trained months for to general tours where they go over (those types of units) for 4-6 months. However these guys see real combat, just like in the movies, so yeh this guy has seen some shit.

I have nothing but heartfelt sympathy for this guy, he was let down at every step from what the article says. That whole world/lifestyle is about manly aggression, being the best warfighter out there. But there are some glaring inconsitencies that make me think what the guy was telling his family and friends vs what what was really going on, or he just didn't understand the army and for someone of his rank with his experience that is shit he should know.

First off read everything you sign. If he re-enlisted then he signed off on not getting what was promised. Here is a standard re-enlistment form, used across the board by everybody, read the bold line at the bottom of the page next to the words enlistee initial here (http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/infomgt/forms/eforms/dd0004.pdf).

Secondly he had been given a minimum of 4 chances to get help. Granted it's based on self reporting, but his wife family and anyone else who was concerned could have asked for help.

Third, once you volunteer to join the regiment you are there for 36 months, longer than that you have to volunteer for longer time. I can also tell you that there is a ton of peer pressure to stay, mostly because they are looking for veteran ranger qualified leaders, but if he wanted to leave he could have.

What the real problem is, is the culture that is necessary in a unit like that, and most any direct combat unit. Be aggressive, fight through the pain, one more mile to run, keep on going, never quit. And you can't change that, its needed or people will die. He was let down at every level and it sucks.


As far as getting a memorial ceremony, thats not going to happen. Until earlier this month death by suicide was not eligible for a memorial unless it was questionable if it was a suicide. In the beginning of august that changed and now any death is eligible for a memorial ceremony.

fatbuckRTO
09-02-2011, 12:40 PM
First off read everything you sign. If he re-enlisted then he signed off on not getting what was promised. Here is a standard re-enlistment form, used across the board by everybody, read the bold line at the bottom of the page next to the words enlistee initial here (http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/infomgt/forms/eforms/dd0004.pdf).
As someone who was lied to on a second enlistment, and should have known better, I can attest that it's not always as black-and-white as an enlistment form. Until it comes time for the military to uphold its end...

In my case, I was told by two different sources at two different commands that the promise the Navy made me was valid even though it didn't show up on the enlistment papers, and in fact there was no paperwork I could get for it. In my case, it was a signing bonus.* In the case of some re-enlistees, it is a promise of a duty station or non-deployment status, etc. You can be as seasoned a veteran as they come, but if you're not an admin commando, and your chain-of-command is telling you one thing even though you can't seem to find it on your paperwork, it's not hard to get duped.

Given my own experiences and the experiences of so many soldiers I know, it's pretty clear to me that Hagemann's death isn't just the result of a "command failure." It was command misconduct.


*I didn't contact the recruiter or join for the bonus, so I didn't pursue the matter after I was told there was no paperwork to be had. It did affect my decision not to re-enlist, though. I don't like being lied to, even when I should know better.

OneSickPsycho
09-02-2011, 12:52 PM
We have Imperial Armies scattered all over the world...at an ENORMOUS cost to us....financially....and morally.

And no one knows....no one cares....stubbornly burying their heads in the sand against ALL evidence....A tiny fraction of the population....volunteers....bearing the burden of our imperial ambitions....while the vast majority of us have no fucking clue of the sacrifices being made....the true cost of our imperial ambitions....and to whom the spoils go....(just a hint, it's not "you and me"...the average every day American....it's the Haliburton's....and hundreds of companies just like them.)

How can we set about solving the Nation's problems when a) the vast majority of people see the symptoms of the problems EVERY FUCKING DAY and yet refuse to acknowledge their existence....and b) the deck is stacked sooooooooooooo far in favor from those who benefit from our post WW2 conversion from a Republic to an Empire?

www.ronpaul2012.com

derf
09-02-2011, 12:56 PM
As someone who was lied to on a second enlistment, and should have known better, I can attest that it's not always as black-and-white as an enlistment form. Until it comes time for the military to uphold its end...

In my case, I was told by two different sources at two different commands that the promise the Navy made me was valid even though it didn't show up on the enlistment papers, and in fact there was no paperwork I could get for it. In my case, it was a signing bonus.* In the case of some re-enlistees, it is a promise of a duty station or non-deployment status, etc. You can be as seasoned a veteran as they come, but if you're not an admin commando, and your chain-of-command is telling you one thing even though you can't seem to find it on your paperwork, it's not hard to get duped.

Given my own experiences and the experiences of so many soldiers I know, it's pretty clear to me that Hagemann's death isn't just the result of a "command failure." It was command misconduct.


*I didn't contact the recruiter or join for the bonus, so I didn't pursue the matter after I was told there was no paperwork to be had. It did affect my decision not to re-enlist, though. I don't like being lied to, even when I should know better.



I totally understand where you are coming from, my first enlistment I was told I would get my bonus the day I got out of basic, which was completely untrue. But it said in black and white in big bold letters that it would be broken up into installments. They also expect you to follow every regulation, code of conduct, and article of UCMJ, but damned if I know anyone who has ever known and understood them all, its impossible.

But at the end of the day, any time someone signs a contract they should read and understand it first, especially if it says that anything else promised is not valid.

fatbuckRTO
09-02-2011, 01:02 PM
But at the end of the day, any time someone signs a contract they should read and understand it first, especially if it says that anything else promised is not valid.

I agree with that. But I also think that, at the end of the day, as a commander you don't lie to your men. Especially if they've already performed for you in combat over 7 tours.

derf
09-02-2011, 05:03 PM
I didn't get that the commander lied to him, sounded like the retention guy promised one thing and the commander couldn't keep that promise.

Dave
09-03-2011, 08:50 AM
I didn't get that the commander lied to him, sounded like the retention guy promised one thing and the commander couldn't keep that promise.

yeah, sounds about right. what I dont get is why he didnt transfer to headquarters. everytime we had someone wig the fuck out they became a toc bitch in seconds

Kaneman
09-03-2011, 09:33 AM
Its sad that anyone would defend any amount of dishonesty coming from men in charge of sending boys to war. This whole thing makes me glad I was able to get out of joining the military after I signed. Fuck. That. Shit.

Tmall
09-03-2011, 09:47 AM
Its sad that anyone would defend any amount of dishonesty coming from men in charge of sending boys to war. This whole thing makes me glad I was able to get out of joining the military after I signed. Fuck. That. Shit.

I don't think anybody is defending it. It's just that the men who made those promises had no authority to do so. So, there is no obligation for the promises to be honored. It's shitty, but that's how it is.

Kaneman
09-03-2011, 10:10 AM
I don't think anybody is defending it. It's just that the men who made those promises had no authority to do so. So, there is no obligation for the promises to be honored. It's shitty, but that's how it is.

Not here, but on other comments. I should've specified...my bad!!

Cutty72
09-03-2011, 11:50 AM
yeah, sounds about right. what I dont get is why he didnt transfer to headquarters. everytime we had someone wig the fuck out they became a toc bitch in seconds

Just asking cause I don't remember, are you Ranger qualified?




If anyone wants to see a movie that shows the real shit that a Ranger unit deals with, look up Restrepo. Crazy...
See warning on movie below...

Just a word of caution for those who haven't seen it - not a movie recommended for anyone with moderate to severe PTSD. It's difficult to watch at times even without that. It is a very well done documentary, IMO, but I always have to throw that disclaimer out there for fellow veterans who haven't yet seen it.

derf
09-03-2011, 12:27 PM
Its sad that anyone would defend any amount of dishonesty coming from men in charge of sending boys to war. This whole thing makes me glad I was able to get out of joining the military after I signed. Fuck. That. Shit.

Not trying to defend anyone, I just think that it sounds more like the guy was screwed over more by peer pressure than by his leadership. As far as the enlist memory thing, he got screwed, he should have known better. I also think that he wasn't exactly honest with anybody, not friends, family, nor his leadership

101lifts2
09-04-2011, 11:48 PM
www.ronpaul2012.com

It's time we quit policing the world and get out of these unConstitutional wars that only make a select few very rich.

America WAKE THE FUCK UP already and quit electing a leader who's only qualifying factor is looks.

RIP....and give this man a honorable memorial already....wtf.

Dave
09-05-2011, 12:35 AM
Just asking cause I don't remember, are you Ranger qualified?




If anyone wants to see a movie that shows the real shit that a Ranger unit deals with, look up Restrepo. Crazy...

nope. not that it matters in the least, nearly all army units are organized the exact same fucking way. this story has a ton of holes in it, it said he re-upped right? why didnt he change MOS? why didnt he as i said before volunteer to run radios in the toc?

Archren
09-06-2011, 09:31 AM
It boils down to ignorance. I get the mentality in combat arms of "toughing it out", but there are some things that just can't be "toughed out." I do think he should have pursued psychological/psychiatric treatment outside of military channels if he needed help that bad - even if he had to pay for it out of pocket. But the article doesn't go into much detail over the amount of peer pressure he was under - he may have been threatened with dishonorable discharge. Most Soldiers have little to no detailed experience with the UCMJ, and as such don't know what can or cannot be done to them, and so they are cowed into compliance.

I'm facing some similar issues (with ignorance) at my school. It's gotten to the point of needing to form a veteran's comittee to help educate the instructors and staff - both in our specific financial aid needs, as well as PTSD. My instructor for history of photography showed the photo of a dying Marine that created a bunch of controversy in 2009 (? I think), without giving any sort of warning or disclaimer to the class. Two classmates (vets with PTSD) had to walk out (one of them had known the dead Marine).

Sad situation all around... and the Army's paltry excuse for "suicide awareness" training is more often than not treated as a "check the box training" than as a serious issue. Too many leaders have no clue what is going on in the lives of their Soldiers.

Tmall
09-06-2011, 10:59 AM
Just asking cause I don't remember, are you Ranger qualified?




If anyone wants to see a movie that shows the real shit that a Ranger unit deals with, look up Restrepo. Crazy...

Watched that movie because of this post. It was excellent.

Archren
09-06-2011, 11:23 AM
Watched that movie because of this post. It was excellent.

Just a word of caution for those who haven't seen it - not a movie recommended for anyone with moderate to severe PTSD. It's difficult to watch at times even without that. It is a very well done documentary, IMO, but I always have to throw that disclaimer out there for fellow veterans who haven't yet seen it.

Cutty72
09-06-2011, 07:38 PM
Just a word of caution for those who haven't seen it - not a movie recommended for anyone with moderate to severe PTSD. It's difficult to watch at times even without that. It is a very well done documentary, IMO, but I always have to throw that disclaimer out there for fellow veterans who haven't yet seen it.

Good call, should have mentioned that earlier...

*off to edit post...

Dave
09-06-2011, 10:24 PM
Just a word of caution for those who haven't seen it - not a movie recommended for anyone with moderate to severe PTSD. It's difficult to watch at times even without that. It is a very well done documentary, IMO, but I always have to throw that disclaimer out there for fellow veterans who haven't yet seen it.

I don't do war movies anymore period

Sixxxxer
09-07-2011, 11:29 AM
I don't do war movies anymore period

More of a Documentary than a "movie"

It's actually pretty damn riveting...I'd hardly classify it as a Movie.

But I could see how vets and those currently serving would have an issue with it.