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RACER X
09-28-2011, 06:43 AM
ATF Letter (http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2011/09/092611-atf-open-letter-to-all-ffls-marijuana-for-medicinal-purposes.pdf)


Article (http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/29323388/detail.html)



BOZEMAN, Mont. -- Lenny Brown has always been a gun owner.
"I've owned firearms all my life" he said. "I've been an NRA member all my life."
He is also a medical marijuana card holder. But now, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) say he can't legally be both.
"Federal law here says that if you are an unlawful user or addict, you are a prohibited person" said ATF Public Information Officer out of Denver, Bradley Beyersdorf.
The federal government considers all users of medical marijuana unlawful, no matter what state law says.
The ATF outlined its position today in a letter to federal firearms licensees. In short, it tells them that they cannot sell any firearms or ammunitions to cardholders.
"If somebody who is planning to purchase a firearm and identifies themselves as a medical marijuana card holder" he says, then the gun retailer "should not sell that firearm to that individual."
The ATF tracks the sales of all firearms from Federal Firearms Licensees (FFL) in the United States.
Beyersdorf said that if "somebody goes to purchase a firearm from an FFL, they have to fill out ATF form 4473."
Form 4473 includes several yes or no questions. One asks if the applicant is a "user of" or "addicted" to unlawful substances including marijuana.
Beyersdorf said card holders have to answer yes, which means their application will be denied.
"I was pretty devastated" said Brown, when he saw the ATF's letter. "I felt like my 2nd Amendment rights have been dissolved."
Brown said he thinks the denial comes down to a rights issue, and hopes to see legal action.
NBC Montana called several gun dealers in Bozeman, but they had not seen the letter yet and had no comment.
You can read the ATF's letter by clicking here.

Trip
09-28-2011, 07:17 AM
Oh well...

Particle Man
09-28-2011, 07:36 AM
Get the umbrella. Shit storm in 5...4...3...

tommymac
09-28-2011, 07:51 AM
I guess you realy cant have it all :lol:

askmrjesus
09-28-2011, 07:56 AM
"If they want my gun, they'll have to pry it from my cold, dead, Cheetos stained fingers".

JC

derf
09-28-2011, 08:16 AM
Apparently gun ownership and MJ cardholers are not like Masterbation or Burger King, you just can't have it your way

Smittie61984
09-28-2011, 10:33 AM
I guess I have to be the one to say it.

ATF (and I guess ATFE now) should be a convenience store, not a government agency.

tommymac
09-28-2011, 10:47 AM
Apparently gun ownership and MJ cardholers are not like Masterbation or Burger King, you just can't have it your way

honey :badger: doesnt give a shit

Tmall
09-28-2011, 10:58 AM
Pfft, all they have to do is join a mexican drug cartel, then the ATF will be lining up to give them guns.. No?

shmike
09-28-2011, 11:01 AM
Pfft, all they have to do is join a mexican drug cartel, then the ATF will be lining up to give them guns.. No?

Pretty ironic.

If you don't sell to Juan who is running MJ into the country (totally illegally), we'll shut you down.

If you do sell to Jim who is smoking MJ in the country (somewhat legally), we'll shut you down.

Particle Man
09-28-2011, 11:34 AM
"If they want my gun, they'll have to pry it from my cold, dead, Cheetos stained fingers".

JC

:lol:

Homeslice
09-28-2011, 02:21 PM
"I've been an NRA member all my life."


Right, so as a kid he was paying NRA dues with lemonade stand money?

Particle Man
09-28-2011, 03:21 PM
Right, so as a kid he was paying NRA dues with lemonade stand money?

:lmao:

Avatard
09-28-2011, 03:25 PM
The irony, of course, is that MJ makes you more passive, where alcohol can often have the opposite effect, and is not legislated at all in this manner.

Expressed another way; it's a law that addresses a problem that exists only in the minds of those who concocted it.

nhgunnut
09-28-2011, 05:21 PM
Until Federal law is changed the MJ Card Holder exist in a VERY grey area. Subject at almost any time to arrest on federal charges. Expect the same treatment from Insurance companies ( Surcharges for drivers with cards) Certifications of any kind and any federal job.
God I am tired of spending my tax dollars on chaing this foolishness

wildchild
09-28-2011, 05:25 PM
sounds like he has to make a choice. no sympathies.

if he really needs the med MJ then he has bigger issues then no more guns.

Homeslice
09-28-2011, 05:25 PM
Can't justify the war on drugs if medical MJ gets a full stamp of approval.

OneSickPsycho
09-28-2011, 06:49 PM
Can't justify the war on drugs if medical MJ gets a full stamp of approval.

God forbid our government do something that makes sense, saves money, and actually help the problem they intend to correct...

Avatard
09-28-2011, 06:56 PM
God forbid our government do something that makes sense, saves money, and actually help the problem they intend to correct...

What problem needs correction, exactly?

Explain how money is saved.

OneSickPsycho
09-28-2011, 07:03 PM
What problem needs correction, exactly?

Explain how money is saved.

Calm down Spanky... I'm talking about how our government pisses away money on the War on Drugs, which has been proven to be less effective than decriminalization/treatment programs...

Avatard
09-28-2011, 07:09 PM
Oh, that...lol.

Well, yeah....just look up how things are going in Portugal. Use/abuse is down.

Chicken littles everywhere said use would skyrocket. They decriminalized ALL drugs, and guess what? It didn't. It got better. No war on drugs. No war on mothers and fathers, sons and daughters. No families ruined, with people in jail for victimless crimes...nope. No doors kicked in, dogs shot, people shot. None of that. Things just got better.

But lawmakers here insist it's a fluke...

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization

goof2
09-28-2011, 08:20 PM
Can't justify the war on drugs if medical MJ gets a full stamp of approval.

They can legalize MJ for medical use, even for recreational use, and it will have zero effect on the war on drugs. There would still be plenty of other drugs to make war on.:shrug: