Some Jackass Thought It Would Be Amusing

[LeeNetworX]

to continulously fly his private aircraft over our cul de sac in circles, getting lower and lower. 12-15 times, at least. Eventually got to what must have been just a couple of hundred feet when he straightened it up and buzzed over our houses while cutting way back on power and scaring the crap out of kids and some of the parents outside.

Guy was low enough we caught a clear view of his number and snapped a picture of it. We have his registration info, including name and address thanks to the FAA online registry. I sent the info and pic to the Atlanta field office of flight standards. Any private pilots here? Do you think they will do anything to this shmuck? Alot of us are pretty pissed - had this guy lost control or power he could have easily killed someone or a whole family had he crashed into a house or yard. Lots of people were outside yesterday doing stuff around their homes.

[Particle Man]

Shoulda paintballed his ass

[tommymac]

Shoulda paintballed his ass

invest in some anti aircraft artillery, see him fly through some flack :lol:

[anthonyk]

to continulously fly his private aircraft over our cul de sac in circles, getting lower and lower. 12-15 times, at least. Eventually got to what must have been just a couple of hundred feet when he straightened it up and buzzed over our houses while cutting way back on power and scaring the crap out of kids and some of the parents outside.

Guy was low enough we caught a clear view of his number and snapped a picture of it. We have his registration info, including name and address thanks to the FAA online registry. I sent the info and pic to the Atlanta field office of flight standards. Any private pilots here? Do you think they will do anything to this shmuck? Alot of us are pretty pissed - had this guy lost control or power he could have easily killed someone or a whole family had he crashed into a house or yard. Lots of people were outside yesterday doing stuff around their homes.

There's a pretty good chance the FAA will do something, especially if you can show he was below 500 feet. I remember a guy getting busted a long while ago for buzzing boats on a lake near Sacramento. The boaters grabbed his tail number and reported him.

[Dave]

never mess with the FAA

[derf]

I'll bet anything that it was a local home owner taking pictures of his property

[Trip]

I'll bet anything that it was a local home owner taking pictures of his property

yep

or another someone shooting aerial photos for a company.

This is pretty typical and if they had a filed flight plan to do it, your complaint means shit.

Just sounds like he was flying slow and not making a lot of racket. Usually people get pissed off cause they crank the motor up and making noise.

[derf]

yep

or another someone shooting aerial photos for a company.

This is pretty typical and if they had a filed flight plan to do it, your complaint means shit.

Just sounds like he was flying slow and not making a lot of racket. Usually people get pissed off cause they crank the motor up and making noise.

Or it was the CIA checking to see if everyone had on their tinfoil hars

[Homeslice]

LOL you don't need to drop that low to take photos of your property.

[derf]

Or it was the CIA checking to see if everyone had on their tinfoil hars

LOL you don't need to drop that low to take photos of your property.


Like I said, they were checking on him. I wouldnt worry too much, they are checking on you too.

[LeeNetworX]

I'll bet anything that it was a local home owner taking pictures of his property

His home address on his registration is nowhere near our area.

[Trip]

His home address on his registration is nowhere near our area.

The pilot may have nothing to do with the area. He probably had someone on board that made him take that flight plan. Friend/Family in the jumpseat. As long as he maintained the elevation required, not shit you can do about it.

Seems like yall are getting butthurt over nothing.

[azoomm]

The pilot may have nothing to do with the area. He probably had someone on board that made him take that flight plan. Friend/Family in the jumpseat. As long as he maintained the elevation required, not shit you can do about it.

Seems like yall are getting butthurt over nothing.

Or, he could report it and see what pans out.

[Trip]

Or, he could report it and see what pans out.

Sure go for it

[Rangerscott]

Get out the pitch forks.

http://www.blogcdn.com/blog.games.com/media/2011/03/steven-colbert-pitchfork.jpg

[Homeslice]

The pilot may have nothing to do with the area. He probably had someone on board that made him take that flight plan. Friend/Family in the jumpseat. As long as he maintained the elevation required, not shit you can do about it.

Seems like yall are getting butthurt over nothing.

I doubt that 200 ft (if true) over a residential area is acceptable.

[anthonyk]

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/atl/local_more/media/nlowfly.pdf

Guessing a cul de sac doesn't count as a congested area, so 500 feet above ground is the minimum. That said, a plane can be above 500 feet and still look pretty low.

After reading it again, it might have been a student (or instructor with student) picking a bad place to practice an engine out simulation. :lol:

[Dave]

His home address on his registration is nowhere near our area.

could have been a rental.

also could have been CAP looking for pot

[Smittie61984]

could have been a rental.

also could have been CAP looking for pot

I think a lot of the planes up in the air are rentals.

Also could have been power/gas/etc checking on their lines. Or DEA looking for pot.

I don't live far off from the flight path to PDK (2nd busiest airport behind hartsfield-jackson-(insert politician name)-atlanta airport) and the jet noise doesn't even bother me. Only plane I really hear is a biplane that I see so much I memorized the tail number. Also a WW2 B-17 bomber that sounds so damn sexy whenever it flies to PDK about once or twice a year. It is a loud beast that must have been horrifying back in WW2 with 1000s of them coming down on you. Sounds sexy to me.

[Dave]

I think a lot of the planes up in the air are rentals.

Also could have been power/gas/etc checking on their lines. Or DEA looking for pot.

I don't live far off from the flight path to PDK (2nd busiest airport behind hartsfield-jackson-(insert politician name)-atlanta airport) and the jet noise doesn't even bother me. Only plane I really hear is a biplane that I see so much I memorized the tail number. Also a WW2 B-17 bomber that sounds so damn sexy whenever it flies to PDK about once or twice a year. It is a loud beast that must have been horrifying back in WW2 with 1000s of them coming down on you. Sounds sexy to me.

Big radials do that

[Trip]

I doubt that 200 ft (if true) over a residential area is acceptable.

1000 feet is the minimum in congested areas (I am guessing he lives in a suburb) for regular flight plans.

500 feet is rural areas.

You can be cleared to fly below that if you obtain permission from the FAA or have mechanical troubles/weather conditions that force you below that altitude for safety reasons.

I won't make a guess at how high the dude actually was, because people often give over exaggarate accounts of what actually took place and have a hard time with what altitude really looks like...

[LeeNetworX]

Seems like yall are getting butthurt over nothing.

Your welcome to your opinion; seeing how you weren't there, don't really care what you think - will see what pans out.

[Homeslice]

You can be cleared to fly below that if you obtain permission from the FAA or have mechanical troubles/weather conditions that force you below that altitude for safety reasons.
...

Or if crop dusting :lol

[shmike]

Or if crop dusting :lol

Do you mean chemtrails? :tremble:

[AquaPython]

Or if crop dusting :lol

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crop+dusting

[LeeNetworX]

FAA in Atlanta just called me; guy was really cool. He called me to get an understanding of what happenned.

He's going to be calling the guy today and asking him about the incident and will basically tell him to knock it off. I told him that in the least, I just wanted it on record, in case he ever does it again.

He expects the guy will deny it, of course, but he told me bluntly "I will make his life a living Hell" if this ever happens again.

[Kaneman]

So planes flying low crash harder and more dangerously than planes flying high?

[LeeNetworX]

So planes flying low crash harder and more dangerously than planes flying high?


Yes.

[azoomm]

So planes flying low crash harder and more dangerously than planes flying high?

Only if you see them coming...

[Kaneman]

I guess its because I live right next to an Air Force base....but I don't see what all the hub bub is about.

[shmike]

I guess its because I live right next to an Air Force base....but I don't see what all the hub bub is about.

If you lived next to a MotoGp track, would you therefore be ok with the local squids doing 100mph wheelies in your neighborhood?

[Trip]

If you lived next to a MotoGp track, would you therefore be ok with the local squids doing 100mph wheelies in your neighborhood?

The guy wasn't buzzing the tower, he was flying low (if we take his word on this) and slow.

[Papa_Complex]

So planes flying low crash harder and more dangerously than planes flying high?

They certainly get far less time to try and avoid the inhabited homes, that they're flying over.

[fasternyou929]

I find it amusing two of the biggest whiners on the board are in here pointing fingers on a situation they weren't there to experience. redflip

[LeeNetworX]

I find it amusing two of the biggest whiners on the board are in here pointing fingers on a situation they weren't there to experience. redflip

So do I. I'm obviously exaggerating. As were my next door neighbors. And the people across the street from them. And 2 houses down. And 3 houses down. And across the street from them. And.....

Yep. We all were pissed for absolutely no good reason.

[anthonyk]

There's a reason for the minimums above populated areas (mainly room to recover if shit goes wrong). I'd be a whole lot less worried (and way more interested :)) in air force planes flying low and slow over my house than some random private pilot.

[Smittie61984]

I'd be a whole lot less worried (and way more interested :)) in air force planes flying low and slow over my house than some random private pilot.

While in Savannah during my EMT schooling, my hotel was right next to the runway for Hunter Army Airfield. It never got the fighter jets but it got some badass C5s and C-17s coming in and leaving. Those planes are just so fucking sexy and beastly. The also reminded my hotel walls who daddy was as it roared past me.

I get the F22s near my place every now and then. Those fuckers make an F16 look like a Sopwith Camel piloted by Snoopy's retarded bird.

[Looni2ns]

Props to you for reporting him. Too low is too low, especially near a heavily populated area, regardless of the reason.

[Trip]

So do I. I'm obviously exaggerating. As were my next door neighbors. And the people across the street from them. And 2 houses down. And 3 houses down. And across the street from them. And.....

Yep. We all were pissed for absolutely no good reason.

It's amazing how wrong people can be about calculating altitude of planes. The guy may also have a valid reason for being low if he was low. No reason to get worked up and pissed about it report it and move on.

[LeeNetworX]

It's amazing how wrong people can be about calculating altitude of planes. The guy may also have a valid reason for being low if he was low. No reason to get worked up and pissed about it report it and move on.

If he has a valid reason for it he can tell his side to the FAA when they call him.

Got another argument, Captain Know-It-All?

[Trip]

If he has a valid reason for it he can tell his side to the FAA when they call him.

Got another argument, Captain Know-It-All?

If he had a valid reason or was actually within limit, I don't need another argument, the dude was in the right. Whiner, watch out for those scary little planes, they are out to get you and your neighbors.

[LeeNetworX]

If he had a valid reason or was actually within limit, I don't need another argument, the dude was in the right. Whiner, watch out for those scary little planes, they are out to get you and your neighbors.

Once again, you have absolutely no fucking idea, with the shit spewing out of your mouth as you weren't even there. Tell us, what is it like to be omniscent and fearless? Are you a wizard? Can I be you when I grow up? You're my hero, Trip.

[Trip]

Once again, you have absolutely no fucking idea, with the shit spewing out of your mouth as you weren't even there. Tell us, what is it like to be omniscent and fearless? Are you a wizard? Can I be you when I grow up? You're my hero, Trip.

Oh, I am sorry I don't blind faith trust your factless opinion on the actual height of an operating aircraft or lack of knowledge of the situation of why that aircraft was there in the first place. I should totally just start believing you instead of wanting silly facts...

[tommymac]

Once again, you have absolutely no fucking idea, with the shit spewing out of your mouth as you weren't even there. Tell us, what is it like to be omniscent and fearless? Are you a wizard? Can I be you when I grow up? You're my hero, Trip.

AMJ is the only omniscient and omnipotnet one here :lol:

[LeeNetworX]

Oh, I am sorry I don't blind faith trust your factless opinion on the actual height of an operating aircraft or lack of knowledge of the situation of why that aircraft was there in the first place. I should totally just start believing you instead of wanting silly facts...

You don't have to have blind faith in me but you don't have to be a douchebag and try to contradict everything I say, and try to paint me as a clueless whiner, either.

[Tmall]

Oh, I am sorry I don't blind faith trust your factless opinion on the actual height of an operating aircraft or lack of knowledge of the situation of why that aircraft was there in the first place. I should totally just start believing you instead of wanting silly facts...

In that case, those of us who have never met you or have never been to your work, can doubt that you're indeed a man or a nucular engineer. No? :lol

[Archren]

In that case, those of us who have never met you or have never been to your work, can doubt that you're indeed a man or a nucular engineer. No? :lol

Shhh, stop it. You're using rational thought and a logical argument. This is TWF - we don't stand for that shit here. :lol:

[tommymac]

this will get it back on track

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCcMxb72TeY

[Dave]

http://troll.me/images/ronald-mcdonald-call/hello-fag-police-op-is-on-the-loose-again-thumb.jpg

[azoomm]

This thread has shockingly stayed on topic for 5 whole pages....

[Tmall]

This thread has shockingly stayed on topic for 5 whole pages....

Sounds like a challenge.

[Homo Detector]

...

*beep*

[Trip]

In that case, those of us who have never met you or have never been to your work, can doubt that you're indeed a man or a nucular engineer. No? :lol

I can actually prove the male part. I have documentation to support that. I am not a nuclear engineer. I am an electrical engineer that works at a nuclear plant. I have documentation to support that as well. Does he?

[azoomm]

I can actually prove the male part. I have documentation to support that. I am not a nuclear engineer. I am an electrical engineer that works at a nuclear plant. I have documentation to support that as well. Does he?
I saw words that said something about pictures. But, don't see any pictures. Hmmmmmmmm

[Trip]

I saw words that said something about pictures. But, don't see any pictures. Hmmmmmmmm

It would be a picture of my license, you perv. LOL

[tommymac]

we dont want trip posting pics of his junk lol

[LeeNetworX]

I can actually prove the male part. I have documentation to support that. I am not a nuclear engineer. I am an electrical engineer that works at a nuclear plant. I have documentation to support that as well. Does he?

I do. Now STFU.

[Trip]

ha ha, lol

looks like a fighter jet, not a private plane. Better call the military.

nice file name

[Homeslice]

sun, lol

[Archren]

I'm bored at work today. Can you tell?

[RACER X]

ha ha, lol

looks like a fighter jet, not a private plane. Better call the military.

nice file name

shows what you know, it's a glider. :boobs:

[Homeslice]

ha ha, lol

looks like a fighter jet, not a private plane. Better call the military.

nice file name
aviation fail, the wings are too long, too straight and too thin to be a fighter

[RACER X]

see 'slice, that how little excitement we want out in suburbia!

btw, pic is fake, lee is not that skinny.

[Trip]

shows what you know, it's a glider. :boobs:

Nah it had power, remember him complaining about the guy powering back

aviation fail, the wings are too long, too straight and too thin to be a fighter

yeah, some sort of trainer probably. :lol:

Could be a U2, the government wants to know what Lee is up to.

[Smittie61984]

Guy was low enough we caught a clear view of his number and snapped a picture of it.

Can you post the picture?

Some trig/calc fun could tell us exactly how high he was.

[Papa_Complex]

Can you post the picture?

Some trig/calc fun could tell us exactly how high he was.

You'd likely need to angles, taken at the same time, to figure that out.

[defector]

Can you post the picture?

Some trig/calc fun could tell us exactly how high he was.

He already did. A mighty fine shot, I will add.

And with my (junior edition) Stephen Hawking internet forum detective physics and picture analyzer kit, I have deducted from the picture that it was approximately 28.5 feet off the ground (slightly below roof height, of an assumed 3 story house) going approximately 300mph (3 swooshes). :lol:

[Homeslice]

see 'slice, that how little excitement we want out in suburbia!

btw, pic is fake, lee is not that skinny.

You suburbanites need to become more tolerant of noise.
Big city people could live 50 feet from a subway track and not be woken up by it.

[Particle Man]

*beep*

:lol: holy blast from the past :lol:

[shmike]

You suburbanites need to become more tolerant of noise.
Big city people could live 50 feet from a subway track and not be woken up by it.

If suburbanites wanted to live within 50 feet of a subway, guess where they would live?

[Particle Man]

If suburbanites wanted to live within 50 feet of a subway, guess where they would live?

Near a strip mall.


Oh, wrong subway....

[Smittie61984]

You'd likely need to angles, taken at the same time, to figure that out.

For sure. That could be used by finding distance between an object in the picture such as a tree. It won't be a perfect estimate but can get close.

[LeeNetworX]

I'm bored at work today. Can you tell?

Thank you for the laugh. :lol

[LeeNetworX]

The pic is of the plane only - she snapped it when it was right overhead to get the tail number, so no buildings/horizon/etc. to use to show an idea of height.

[Trip]

I'd like to see it, know if she was using zoom? We'd could at least get an idea. Blur out the numbers though.

[Papa_Complex]

Knowing the focal length and camera used might be able to give a distance, but obviously couldn't be used to find the height.

http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/technology/fov.html

[Trip]

I am not looking for an exact number, just an idea. You could get it in the ballpark.

[Papa_Complex]

I am not looking for an exact number, just an idea. You could get it in the ballpark.

What I mean to say is that it would tell you AT MOST what the altitude would be. Any angle of declination would obviously make it closer to the ground, than that.

[Particle Man]

I'm getting a good :lol: here

[Homeslice]

If suburbanites wanted to live within 50 feet of a subway, guess where they would live?

50 feet from a subway?

[Papa_Complex]

One of these days I'll take a picture of a row of houses, where people were complaining about the aircraft noise from Toronto International, and then post it here.

[fasternyou929]

I am not looking for an exact number, just an idea. You could get it in the ballpark.

So you've been casting doubt on Lee's in-person altitude estimate, but YOU'RE going to get a better idea from a photo with no reference points.
:lol

I think the, uh, prestige, of running a message board has gone to your head.

[Homeslice]

:lol

[6doublefive321]

I can't see all the pics on my work computer, but I would like to know the tail number. I'm training in Kennesaw, and know quite a few pilots around here. I also know quite a few pilots who pull stupid stunts like this.

The FAA has been cracking down on pilots flying outside the box lately. So much so that they have been using Youtube and other sources to pursue violators. I would imagine the FAA took your complaint seriously.

[Homeslice]

This guy is going to get :zowned:

[Trip]

So you've been casting doubt on Lee's in-person altitude estimate, but YOU'RE going to get a better idea from a photo with no reference points.
:lol

I think the, uh, prestige, of running a message board has gone to your head.

We are looking for 1000 ft. If you know the zoom, you can get distance to the camera. Make a guess at angle to the ground that would be close. If it is real low to the ground it would be pretty obvious its not 1000 ft.

The guy could easily lose his license over just this incident. So if you are going to do it to this guy, get good evidence that he is actually fucking up.

[anthonyk]

We are looking for 1000 ft. If you know the zoom, you can get distance to the camera. Make a guess at angle to the ground that would be close. If it is real low to the ground it would be pretty obvious its not 1000 ft.

The guy could easily lose his license over just this incident. So if you are going to do it to this guy, get good evidence that he is actually fucking up.

How would you even do that? Guessing at the angle (with no reference points) is going to totally determine the estimated altitude. If I remember right, the guy was flying circles, so it's not like you could use level wings to estimate the angle.

Why not just believe that a) Lee thought it was obnoxiously low and b) the FAA is used to dealing with the general public giving bad eyeball estimates of altitude? The guy is not going to lose his certificate over one complaint with no evidence. If he's got a history, or does it again and someone does snap a good pic to show he's way too low, then this complaint helps keep one jackass out of the air.

[Trip]

How would you even do that? Guessing at the angle (with no reference points) is going to totally determine the estimated altitude. If I remember right, the guy was flying circles, so it's not like you could use level wings to estimate the angle.

Why not just believe that a) Lee thought it was obnoxiously low and b) the FAA is used to dealing with the general public giving bad eyeball estimates of altitude? The guy is not going to lose his certificate over one complaint with no evidence. If he's got a history, or does it again and someone does snap a good pic to show he's way too low, then this complaint helps keep one jackass out of the air.

You wouldn't make the guess of the airplane angle from the picture. You could do a wide range of typical angles that are pictures are normally taken. You could say do a range of 30 to 90 degrees and get a range of altitudes based on that. If it's really low, it's going to be pretty damn obvious.

Math is not hard people.....

This is a discussion forum. Let's discuss it. It's boring as shit when you just have a lynch mob mentality about everything....

[Tmall]

How would you even do that? Guessing at the angle (with no reference points) is going to totally determine the estimated altitude. If I remember right, the guy was flying circles, so it's not like you could use level wings to estimate the angle.

Why not just believe that a) Lee thought it was obnoxiously low and b) the FAA is used to dealing with the general public giving bad eyeball estimates of altitude? The guy is not going to lose his certificate over one complaint with no evidence. If he's got a history, or does it again and someone does snap a good pic to show he's way too low, then this complaint helps keep one jackass out of the air.

NO!
Lodge a complaint and move on. Fucking whiner.


Edit: I guess, he could lose his license.

Double edit: My guesstimate off of a picture is better than Lee's first hand experience.

/Trip

[Trip]

NO!
Lodge a complaint and move on. Fucking whiner.


Edit: I guess, he could lose his license.

Double edit: My guesstimate off of a picture is better than Lee's first hand experience.

/Trip

edit #1: It's not a guess, I just actually had a long conversation with a licensed private pilot on the subject before I posted that statement. One in which I have logged many many many hours in his Cessnas.... He could lose his license for violating low altitude restrictions.

edit #2: Yey, cause he is our internet friend we should trust his conclusions, it's awesome not to question anything from internet friends!

I got some property for sale, you interested. It's going to be worth a lot of money some day!

[Porkchop]

I guess its because I live right next to an Air Force base....but I don't see what all the hub bub is about.

Lol, yeah. I live in the direct flight path of a small airport. I dont even notice small planes anymore. Now the private jets at 2am sometimes wake me up...

[Particle Man]

Lol, yeah. I live in the direct flight path of a small airport. I dont even notice small planes anymore. Now the private jets at 2am sometimes wake me up...

I lived in the landing path of a local AF base for years (dad was in the AF). It was fun listening to B-52's and C-5's 150 feet over the house at all hours (SAC base). We'd pray for a KC-135R instead because they were quieter :lol:

[Trip]

You know what, I changed my opinion. This pilot is an asshat.

We should find him and cut off his fucking head and rape him in the anal cavity with a stick wrapped with barbed wire. Then let's go steal all his can goods from his kitchen cabinet. YARRRRR!

[tommymac]

You know what, I changed my opinion. This pilot is an asshat.

We should find him and cut off his fucking head and rape him in the anal cavity with a stick wrapped with barbed wire. Then let's go steal all his can goods from his kitchen cabinet. YARRRRR!

we can just enroll him at penn state :lol:

[Particle Man]

we can just enroll him at penn state :lol:

:lol:

[Smittie61984]

One of these days I'll take a picture of a row of houses, where people were complaining about the aircraft noise from Toronto International, and then post it here.

Did they not know tehre was an airport when they moved there?

If suburbanites wanted to live within 50 feet of a subway, guess where they would live?

Underground???

[Smittie61984]

shows what you know, it's a glider. :boobs:

Shows what you know. It's a fucking Chuck Yeager in his X-1
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/research/x1/x1_02.jpg

[azoomm]

Did they not know tehre was an airport when they moved there?

You're kidding, right? We have a new neighbor at the track. She calls the police to complain about the noise at the track. That's right, her house is about 1,000 feet from our property line and about two miles from an airport.

We measure our dB levels on a regular basis, as required. We have not violated our covenants. Our records are solid. Though, our answer when called up by the City Council was to start our statement with "All of our readings were difficult to capture due to the airplanes flying over-head." Eyebrows raised was brilliant.

Entitlement is not exclusive to the current generation.

[Papa_Complex]

Did they not know tehre was an airport when they moved there?

That's kind of the point. They're right across the street from the end of a runway, that's been there for something like 40 years.

[Smittie61984]

That's kind of the point. They're right across the street from the end of a runway, that's been there for something like 40 years.

Never suprises me. As I stated before I live about 100ft from train tracks and a subway style train (though above ground at that point). Not to mention in not the main but often used flight path of an airport about 2-3 miles from me (maybe less). Oh yeah, an interstate not too far away. Noise doesn't bother me a bit and I came from the country.

Anyways, people will buy these homes next to this airport that was actually a military training camp during WW1 and a naval air base in the WW2. But they buy homes because they are cheap and once in there the world is suppose to revolve around them and for it to go away.

We are batteling this shit again too in a town called Lawrenceville, GA which is about 30 miles NE of Atlanta. They are wanting to privatize and expand a regional airport to take on medium range commercial planes (for flying to Chicago and even LA). But people are going apeshit because their shitty homes will become shittier as Westins, Hiltons, and other businesses want to buy their shitty homes/Land for a crap ton of money.

uh, on a rant. I just have to go to the Atlanta airport soon and I'm already dreading it and am pissed about it.

[fasternyou929]

We are looking for 1000 ft. If you know the zoom, you can get distance to the camera.

Bullshit. You'd be making a guess, from a 2-dimensional photo.

Make a guess at angle to the ground that would be close.

Guess number 2, based on zero reference points available in the photo.

Based on these two guesses, you're going to come up with something more accurate than Lee, who estimated one distance, in person, in 3-D. :lol

If it is real low to the ground it would be pretty obvious its not 1000 ft.

No shit. Too bad we didn't have someone there on the ground so we didn't have to make all these uneducated guesses from a photo!

The guy could easily lose his license over just this incident. So if you are going to do it to this guy, get good evidence that he is actually fucking up.
Like a photo of the tail number and complaints from numerous neighbors?

Good grief man, if you came across any more empty-headed in this thread I'd swear you could fail a CT scan.

[Trip]

Bullshit. You'd be making a guess, from a 2-dimensional photo.



Guess number 2, based on zero reference points available in the photo.

Based on these two guesses, you're going to come up with something more accurate than Lee, who estimated one distance, in person, in 3-D. :lol



No shit. Too bad we didn't have someone there on the ground so we didn't have to make all these uneducated guesses from a photo!


Like a photo of the tail number and complaints from numerous neighbors?

Good grief man, if you came across any more empty-headed in this thread I'd swear you could fail a CT scan.

No dumbass, its very easy to get the information you need and if you use a wide range of angles, you can actually make a well reasoned estimate of height.

You could easily get information off the plane itself about scaling, that combined with information from the camera itself aka zoom,lens, and such you can easily determine distance from the camera to the plane. Sometimes you can even get this information from the photo itself depending on what the camera embeds into the digital photos. Some cameras will even embed GPS info into photos nowadays.

Using that distance, you can use a wide array of angles from the ground to that of the photo taken. Then using simple trig based on those two determinations, you can get the height of the airplane

Math is not fucking hard if you aren't a dumbass like yourself.

BTW a person on the ground using his naked eye that has no education on identifying the altitude of airplanes is making an uneducated guess.

We aren't going to be looking for accuracy of inches, by probably tens of feet. Which would be a very well reasoned estimation.

[Trip]

Apparently there are sites where you can do it without doing any of the work too.

http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/digital.html

[shmike]

Trip will solve this dilemma.

The rest of you are just plane dumb.

http://images.tvrage.com/screencaps/16/3184/304458.jpg

[fasternyou929]

No dumbass, its very easy to get the information you need and if you use a wide range of angles, you can actually make a well reasoned estimate of height.

You could easily get information off the plane itself about scaling, that combined with information from the camera itself aka zoom,lens, and such you can easily determine distance from the camera to the plane. Sometimes you can even get this information from the photo itself depending on what the camera embeds into the digital photos. Some cameras will even embed GPS info into photos nowadays.

Using that distance, you can use a wide array of angles from the ground to that of the photo taken. Then using simple trig based on those two determinations, you can get the height of the airplane

Math is not fucking hard if you aren't a dumbass like yourself.

BTW a person on the ground using his naked eye that has no education on identifying the altitude of airplanes is making an uneducated guess.

We aren't going to be looking for accuracy of inches, by probably tens of feet. Which would be a very well reasoned estimation.

Right, so the accuracy of the zoom used or the angle of view/field won't affect anything. Optics do NOTHING to distort images from reality. :?:

At least misplaced arrogance is amusing.

[Porkchop]

uh, on a rant. I just have to go to the Atlanta airport soon and I'm already dreading it and am pissed about it.

Oh fuck that. We waited in the plane, in a line of 23 planes to take off. There werent even delays on planes coming in. We actually boarded a few minutes early. But we waited almost 40 minutes to start taxiing.

Thank god my connecting terminal was only one gate over too...

[Trip]

Right, so the accuracy of the zoom used or the angle of view/field won't affect anything. Optics do NOTHING to distort images from reality. :?:

At least misplaced arrogance is amusing.

If we can't get the information from the photo itself and the person doesn't know what zoom they were using or won't give us that information, then yes that would be a huge issue in making a good estimate. Obviously, we would need the info on the optics to make the calculations necessary. we do have the camera, we have the people involved, and we have potential to recreate the event. This problem is easily resolved.

However, we aren't being presented with any information, just a stupid internet story, that's much better than trying to actually solve the problem!

[fasternyou929]

If we can't get the information from the photo itself and the person doesn't know what zoom they were using or won't give us that information, then yes that would be a huge issue in making a good estimate. Obviously, we would need the info on the optics to make the calculations necessary. we do have the camera, we have the people involved, and we have potential to recreate the event. This problem is easily resolved.

However, we aren't being presented with any information, just a stupid internet story, that's much better than trying to actually solve the problem!

You just proved my point. Even if Lee posts a picture, he isn't going to send you his camera for forensics. He also won't be able to tell you the exact zoom used, unless he was maxed out in either direction.

Just too many variables. And certainly not worth calling someone's judgment into question.

[anthonyk]

Tens of feet? Maybe my trig is off, but assuming we're not within tens of feet of the aircraft, you're going to have to guess the right angle within about 5 degrees (with no landmarks) to get that kind of precision. A wide range of angles just makes the whole thing worse.

Just do the math using 30 degrees and 60 degrees, and assume you can make out the tail numbers with a camera from 1/4 mile away. It puts the estimated altitude range anywhere from 660 feet to 1120 feet. Further away, or a wider angle spread, and your precision is even worse.

[Papa_Complex]

trip will solve this dilemma.

The rest of you are just plane dumb.

http://images.tvrage.com/screencaps/16/3184/304458.jpg

yeeeaaaaah!

[Trip]

Tens of feet? Maybe my trig is off, but assuming we're not within tens of feet of the aircraft, you're going to have to guess the right angle within about 5 degrees (with no landmarks) to get that kind of precision. A wide range of angles just makes the whole thing worse.

Just do the math using 30 degrees and 60 degrees, and assume you can make out the tail numbers with a camera from 1/4 mile away. It puts the estimated altitude range anywhere from 660 feet to 1120 feet. Further away, or a wider angle spread, and your precision is even worse.

I think if we really actually tried to solve the altitude and wanted to get this done, we could get it that accurate with no issues. This isn't going to happen because 1) Lee doesn't really care so any info we need is not going to be recovered 2) No one is really going to spend any time pursuing this anyway.

[Smittie61984]

You could easily get information off the plane itself about scaling, that combined with information from the camera itself aka zoom,lens, and such you can easily determine distance from the camera to the plane. Sometimes you can even get this information from the photo itself depending on what the camera embeds into the digital photos. Some cameras will even embed GPS info into photos nowadays.


If it is a Cessna, then it'd be easy as shit since they come with a built in triangle for us to use as a basis anyways. Even if a jet we could find a lot of stuff out easily because they are slammed full of triangles.

Of course trip, maybe you should have picked a major that had some kind of math. Electrical engineering has none so you fucked up :wtfru:.

[Trip]

You just proved my point. Even if Lee posts a picture, he isn't going to send you his camera for forensics. He also won't be able to tell you the exact zoom used, unless he was maxed out in either direction.

Just too many variables. And certainly not worth calling someone's judgment into question.

That's why I already changed my position, we are raping the pilot with a stick covered in barb wire and stealing his Campbell's canned soups. You onboard?

Of course trip, maybe you should have picked a major that had some kind of math. Electrical engineering has none so you fucked up :wtfru:.

Are you joking? or just that clueless?

[fasternyou929]

That's why I already changed my position, we are raping the pilot with a stick covered in barb wire and stealing his Campbell's canned soups. You onboard?

My pitch fork and torch are at the ready.

[Smittie61984]

Are you joking? or just that clueless?

I put the smiley to show it was a joke. Guess it didn't work. I understnad eletrical engineering is all about math. I think eletrical engineering is one of the few fields that actually uses Laplace Transformations, which was a major headache for me in my CalcII class.

[anthonyk]

I think if we really actually tried to solve the altitude and wanted to get this done, we could get it that accurate with no issues. This isn't going to happen because 1) Lee doesn't really care so any info we need is not going to be recovered 2) No one is really going to spend any time pursuing this anyway.

Nah, it's not going to happen because it's not possible. Your theory is totally off base here. Make up the numbers you think you're gonna get from Lee's camera, and try to calculate it yourself. (Or just use my example, since I already did.)

Distance to the object is easy, but you're just waving some magical math wand to say you can get altitude from it.

[fasternyou929]

I put the smiley to show it was a joke. Guess it didn't work. I understnad eletrical engineering is all about math. I think eletrical engineering is one of the few fields that actually uses Laplace Transformations, which was a major headache for me in my CalcII class.

In the classroom, definitely. I actually liked that stuff.

Never used it or saw anybody use it in my career though.

[Trip]

I put the smiley to show it was a joke. Guess it didn't work. I understnad eletrical engineering is all about math. I think eletrical engineering is one of the few fields that actually uses Laplace Transformations, which was a major headache for me in my CalcII class.

your smiley threw me off, should used the :nee:

there are other transformations that are easier than laplace that people use instead, especially the signals and systems guys.

Nah, it's not going to happen because it's not possible. Your theory is totally off base here. Make up the numbers you think you're gonna get from Lee's camera, and try to calculate it yourself. (Or just use my example, since I already did.)

Distance to the object is easy, but you're just waving some magical math wand to say you can get altitude from it.

the answer is Q

[Archren]

the answer is Q


Nope, it's 42.

[Particle Man]

Nope, it's 42.

That's not the answer. It's the ULTIMATE Answer...

[Papa_Complex]

That's not the answer. It's the ULTIMATE Answer...

But what's the question?

[Trip]

Nope, it's 42.

That's not the answer. It's the ULTIMATE Answer...

Nope, Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy is dumb. Especially since they released that shitty movie.

[Particle Man]

Nope, Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy is dumb. Especially since they released that shitty movie.

The movie sucked. Fuck the movie. Great books.

But what's the question?

What is 6 times 9

[askmrjesus]

Props to you for reporting him. Too low is too low, especially near a heavily populated area, regardless of the reason.

She said "props", and nobody noticed except me.

AMJ is the only omniscient and omnipotnet one here :lol:

See above.

Some interesting things about this thread;

Lee apparently lacks the right to be pissed about low flying planes repeatedly buzzing his house.

Trip apparently thinks he is the only person in the world who can judge altitude.

Smittie masturbates to military aircraft.

JC

[Porkchop]

Trip will solve this dilemma.

The rest of you are just plane dumb.

http://images.tvrage.com/screencaps/16/3184/304458.jpg

yeeeaaaaah!

Just plane gold right there..... Well done sirs...

[Particle Man]

She said "props", and nobody noticed except me.



See above.

Some interesting things about this thread;

Lee apparently lacks the right to be pissed about low flying planes repeatedly buzzing his house.

Trip apparently thinks he is the only person in the world who can judge altitude.

Smittie masturbates to military aircraft.

JC
:lol truth

[Dave]

You know what, I changed my opinion. This pilot is an asshat.

We should find him and cut off his fucking head and rape him in the anal cavity with a stick wrapped with barbed wire. Then let's go steal all his can goods from his kitchen cabinet. YARRRRR!

While you're at it could ya get the chopper pilot who buzzed me and the new girlfriend while we were fucking on the tenth story roof of the Sheridan building last night? True story. :P

[Trip]

While you're at it could ya get the chopper pilot who buzzed me and the new girlfriend while we were fucking on the tenth story roof of the Sheridan building last night? True story. :P

Heli rules are different than fixed wing.

[Particle Man]

While you're at it could ya get the chopper pilot who buzzed me and the new girlfriend while we were fucking on the tenth story roof of the Sheridan building last night? True story. :P

That's some Blue Thunder shit :lol;

[Papa_Complex]

The movie sucked. Fuck the movie. Great books.

The BBC TV series was good too.

What is 6 times 9

Well I guess we won't need that supercomputer after all.

[Particle Man]

The BBC TV series was good too.



Well I guess we won't need that supercomputer after all.

Damn Vogons.

[Mr Lefty]

You just proved my point. Even if Lee posts a picture, he isn't going to send you his camera for forensics. He also won't be able to tell you the exact zoom used, unless he was maxed out in either direction.

Just too many variables. And certainly not worth calling someone's judgment into question.

actually... the exif data recorded into digital photos will tell you what the exact zoom is...

[tommymac]

actually... the exif data recorded into digital photos will tell you what the exact zoom is...

why do you have to go and ruin things with facts :lol:

[Mr Lefty]

why do you have to go and ruin things with facts :lol:

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miss anything?

[Particle Man]

why do you have to go and ruin things with facts :lol:

Seriously, cut that shit out :lol

[fasternyou929]

actually... the exif data recorded into digital photos will tell you what the exact zoom is...

Depends on the camera model. And exif data doesn't tell you if any digital zoom was used.

[Mr Lefty]

Depends on the camera model. And exif data doesn't tell you if any digital zoom was used.

I'll have to take your word on that, every digital camera I've used in the last 10 years has included the zoom. as far as digital, no idea... I never use digital zoom... fucks up image quality too much.

I do know my old Nikon will say when you "review" it on the camera that there was so much x digital zoom...

[Papa_Complex]

Depends on the camera model. And exif data doesn't tell you if any digital zoom was used.

These days they do state if digital zoom was used, if present.

[Dave]

These days they do state if digital zoom was used, if present.

Buuuuurn

[fasternyou929]

These days they do state if digital zoom was used, if present.

On the stuff you use, I'm sure it does. On basic point and shoot boxes? Maybe the recent stuff does.

[Mr Lefty]

On the stuff you use, I'm sure it does. On basic point and shoot boxes? Maybe the recent stuff does.

uh.. the stuff he uses doesn't have Digital zoom. ;)

only the "basic point and shoot boxes" have that. as it's like I said, it distorts pictures. for the average consumer not a big deal, but for enthusiasts and professionals... it'd be like making our motorcycles automatics

[Papa_Complex]

On the stuff you use, I'm sure it does. On basic point and shoot boxes? Maybe the recent stuff does.

Only one of my cameras has a digital zoom and I've never (will never) used it.

[Smittie61984]

On the stuff you use, I'm sure it does. On basic point and shoot boxes? Maybe the recent stuff does.

This is a digital camera I got in 2004. A Gateway DC-M42
http://support.gateway.com/s/camera/2521341/2521341nv.shtml

Those throw away playskool cameras have more technology than this thing.

I'll attach a picture with the info the picture gave. Now what exactly on this info do we need to look for? Focal Length, Subject Distance, etc? Or does any of that matter?

[fasternyou929]

Well there ya go, so exif data holds more info than I thought. Learned something new today. Does it take a special program to read that data? I have a new DSLR and I don't see subject distance when I right click and go to Properties; just camera settings (focal length, f stop, iso, etc.).

[Mr Lefty]

Well there ya go, so exif data holds more info than I thought. Learned something new today. Does it take a special program to read that data? I have a new DSLR and I don't see subject distance when I right click and go to Properties; just camera settings (focal length, f stop, iso, etc.).

any photo editing stuff will... Picassa is a free program

[fasternyou929]

Cool, thanks.

[Mr Lefty]

Cool, thanks.

:yes:no prob

[Tmall]

What's the distance between the white lines?

There doesn't appear to be anything within 2.1 meters.

[Papa_Complex]

What's the distance between the white lines?

There doesn't appear to be anything within 2.1 meters.

It's the distance to the focal point, not to the object in the centre. If the camera is set at the hyperfocal distance, then that would be significantly closer than the subject.

Hyperfocal Distance Definition

"When the lens is focused on the hyperfocal distance, the depth of field extends from half the hyperfocal distance to infinity.

Photography, Phil Davis, 1972."

"The hyperfocal distance is the point of focus where everything from half that distance to infinity falls within the depth of field.

John Shaw's Landscape Photography, John Shaw, 1994."

[askmrjesus]

What's the distance between the white lines?


It depends on the size of the mirror...

JC

[shmike]

It depends on the size of the mirror...

JC

Objects are closer than they appear.

[askmrjesus]

Objects are closer than they appear.

Actually, I was talking about Cocaine, but that works too. :lol:

JC

[Particle Man]

Actually, I was talking about Cocaine, but that works too. :lol:

JC

:lol: