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askmrjesus
10-26-2011, 02:59 PM
Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks

By Jason Kandel

LOS ANGELES | Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:36pm EDT

(Reuters) - A turf war between the Hells Angels and a rival motorcycle gang that erupted outside a California Starbucks shop last year has left several men dead, wounded or missing in three states, stirring fears of more bloodshed.

Ranked by law enforcement as the most severe clash of two California-based biker groups in nearly a decade, the spate of violence turned deadly last month when it spilled into Nevada with a brawl and shooting among members of the Hells Angels and Vagos motorcycle clubs.

The president of the Hells Angels' San Jose, California, chapter, Jeffrey "Jethro" Pettigrew, 51, was shot to death, and one Vagos member was wounded in the melee at John Ascuaga's Nugget hotel and casino in Sparks. A second Vagos member was wounded in a drive-by shooting the next day at the site of a nearby motorcycle rally in town.

The Pettigrew killing -- coming 11 months after a gunfight between the two gangs in Arizona that left five people wounded -- in turn sparked tensions within the Hells Angels' ranks that led to yet another slaying in California, authorities say.

"There have been concerns about this rivalry for some time," said Graham Barlowe, resident agent in charge of the Sacramento office of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The last California biker feud of similar proportions grew out of a 2002 casino riot in Laughlin, Nevada, between the Hells Angels and another group known as the Mongols, Barlowe said. At least three bikers died as a result of that conflict.

DEAD OR ALIVE

The latest casualty of the Hells Angels' recent battle against Vagos actually was inflicted by one of their own.

At Pettigrew's funeral in California weeks after he was slain in Nevada, his close friend and sergeant-at-arms of the San Jose chapter, Steven Tausan, 52, was shot and killed by a fellow Hells Angel in an apparent quarrel among club members.

A police source familiar with the investigation said Tausan and others confronted the accused gunman, Steve Ruiz, over his perceived failure to have protected Pettigrew during the Nugget casino brawl, prompting Ruiz to pull a gun on Tausan.

A group of bikers then pounced on Ruiz as thousands of mourners streamed out of the cemetery, preventing police officers at the funeral from making an arrest, San Jose police spokesman Jose Garcia said.

In the end, it was unclear whether the bikers who descended on Ruiz did so to subdue him, beat him or help him escape, but witnesses said he was whisked away in a car, Garcia said.

Suspecting that Ruiz may have been killed at the scene and his body dumped into Pettigrew's grave, police later obtained a search warrant to dig up the burial site, but they found no trace of Ruiz, Garcia said.

Last week, San Jose police received a tip that Ruiz was alive and hiding out in the northern California city of Stockton, but he was believed to have slipped away after investigators searched a home there to no avail on Saturday.

Garcia said authorities now believe Ruiz is on the run with a current or former girlfriend, noting that he has family and associates in Arizona and New York.

The recent bloodshed can all be traced to last year's push by Vagos, founded in the 1960s in a Southern California desert community, into the northern coastal town of Santa Cruz, long claimed as Hells Angels territory, police said.

CAFFEINE FOR BIKERS

Tensions boiled over in January 2010, when members of the rival gangs, some wielding ball-peen hammers, fought outside a Santa Cruz Starbucks before scattering as police arrived.

"It was all about who would be allowed to hang out at the Starbucks downtown," Santa Cruz Deputy Police Chief Steve Clark said. "The Vagos brazenly came in and tried to cement their presence. It was a pretty strong play on their part to establish themselves as the premiere club."

He added: "Only in Santa Cruz would you have biker wars over who's going to control pumpkin spice lattes."

Seven months after the Starbucks ambush, violence between the two groups flared again in a gunfight in August 2010 that left five people wounded and led to 27 arrests in the northern Arizona town of Chino Valley.

The U.S. Justice Department has classified both the Hells Angels and Vagos as outlaw gangs deeply involved in drug and weapons trafficking, as well as extortion, money laundering, theft and various violent crimes.

The Hells Angels, by far the larger and better known of the two, was founded in 1948 in Fontana, California, and has since established over 230 chapters with an estimated 2,000 to 2,500 members worldwide, the government says.

The organization denies its involvement in criminal activity and argues the club should not be blamed for the illegal actions of individual bikers.

Members insist the overwhelming majority are law-abiding citizens who share a love of powerful motorcycles, especially Harley-Davidsons and choppers, and point to their prominent role in certain charity events as evidence that their outlaw reputation is exaggerated by the media.

Karen Snell, a San Francisco-based lawyer who has represented a number of Hells Angels members, said Pettigrew and Tausan, for example, were "family guys."

"They made honest livings. They worked hard and were responsible," she told Reuters.

Police have arrested two people in connection with last month's casino brawl, including Ernesto Manuel Gonzalez, 53, a Vagos member suspected in Pettigrew's slaying.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/26/us-bikers-war-idUSTRE79P5BG20111026

JC

Particle Man
10-26-2011, 04:49 PM
Alrighty then

Riceaholic
10-26-2011, 05:05 PM
That shit is serious business...

Archren
10-26-2011, 07:11 PM
Don't fuck with a man's caffeine!


Seriously, though... turf war over a freaking STARBUCKS?? Isn't there one on every other corner in California anyway? :lol:

Homeslice
10-26-2011, 07:20 PM
I could see guys in their 20s and 30s doing this, but 40s and 50s? Come on.

tommymac
10-26-2011, 07:21 PM
I could see guys in their 20s and 30s doing this, but 40s and 50s? Come on.

Thats becasue most of the angels in their 40's and 50's is either dead or in prison.

Smittie61984
10-27-2011, 12:24 AM
Only in California.

Apoc
10-28-2011, 12:40 PM
I could see guys in their 20s and 30s doing this, but 40s and 50s? Come on.


Its not about starbucks. Its about drugs. And who controls the drug trade in different areas/states. When violent criminals are fighting over millions of dollars, its not going to end in hugs and handshakes.

These are, for the most part, the bottomn rung of the latter. The worst scum out there. Thats pretty much what these MC's attract.

I wouldnt say that to their faces though.

Homeslice
10-28-2011, 12:52 PM
Thats becasue most of the angels in their 40's and 50's is either dead or in prison.

3 of the people mentioned in the article were in their 50's.

Seems surprising to me....... I mean I can see the desire for easy money, but you would think it'd be younger people doing it.

defector
10-28-2011, 01:01 PM
It's my understanding that they usually start young in gangs, whether they be of the MC variety or typical street gang. Those who don't get killed, get old.

shmike
10-28-2011, 01:01 PM
3 of the people mentioned in the article were in their 50's.

Seems surprising to me....... I mean I can see the desire for easy money, but you would think it'd be younger people doing it.

Do you know what happens to a 20 or 30 year old after 20 years?

Homeslice
10-28-2011, 02:10 PM
Do you know what happens to a 20 or 30 year old after 20 years?

Become 40 or 50?

Gas Man
10-29-2011, 07:43 AM
That shit is serious business...
You guys can make all the fun about it you want from behind your keyboards. Some of these MCs take their shit real serious. Guys watch SOA? Yeah well, that is pretty close. You so much as start a 3 piece patch club without the consent of the CoC of your area, you will get F'ed with. You don't want to be hanging at your spot and have them roll up for a kickstand party. You don't like it? They don't care. I'm not spewing some tv bs either.

tommymac
10-29-2011, 08:11 AM
You guys can make all the fun about it you want from behind your keyboards. Some of these MCs take their shit real serious. Guys watch SOA? Yeah well, that is pretty close. You so much as start a 3 piece patch club without the consent of the CoC of your area, you will get F'ed with. You don't want to be hanging at your spot and have them roll up for a kickstand party. You don't like it? They don't care. I'm not spewing some tv bs either.

Atg least the MC gangs keep to killing each other for the most part as opposed to the idiots in the street gangs that just start shootin and hit whatevers in the way.

My wifes best friends husband is part of a fire dept MC club and I think the local hells angels extorts some money from them to allow them to wear their colors in the area. Theres been soem nasty battles here between them and the pagans over the years.

Gas Man
10-29-2011, 08:22 AM
True... they usually only care about each other, not the general public.

Yeah but those fire & police dept groups aren't really true MCs.

tommymac
10-29-2011, 08:45 AM
True... they usually only care about each other, not the general public.

Yeah but those fire & police dept groups aren't really true MCs.

True they all have jobs and most dont have criminal records LOL I was kinda surprised when he told me about that stuff esp if they have gatherings or rides where they associate with other clubs, I doubt any of them are 1%ers or anything like that.


HBO did a documentary a while back on a gang in the bronx called the ching a lings. Mostly latino bikers and they seemed to be a local smallish club. Actualy saw a guy with their colors a few months ago so I guess theyre still around. I wonder if they have to pay up to the angels or whoever is the dominant outlaw club in NY now.

Homeslice
10-29-2011, 01:12 PM
Yeah but those fire & police dept groups aren't really true MCs.

What is a "true" MC?

You mean truly stupid? Because that's what ALL clubs are, IMO.

A motorcycle is a transportation device, nothing more. The moment these idiots finally realize that, we'll all be better off.

Smittie61984
10-29-2011, 02:09 PM
A motorcycle is a transportation device, nothing more. The moment these idiots finally realize that, we'll all be better off.

But the only way those fat old idiots are gonna get laid by somewhat decent chicks is to sling dope and be all "badass" on their motorcycle.

I actually watched a special the other day about an undercover ATF agent who infiltrated the Mongols in California. Crazy fucking shit. What I mainly got out of it is if we ended the war on drugs and firearms then those groups would be demoted down to riding tricycles because that is all they could afford. They make their money from drugs and firearms since they have no real life skills. Get rid of that and they have no money and become the bum on the street begging for change or at the most breaking into your home trying to steal your flatscreen. If they do get a job, maybe they'll make enough digging ditches to afford a Honda Rebel.

Gas Man
10-29-2011, 09:26 PM
True they all have jobs and most dont have criminal records LOL I was kinda surprised when he told me about that stuff esp if they have gatherings or rides where they associate with other clubs, I doubt any of them are 1%ers or anything like that.


HBO did a documentary a while back on a gang in the bronx called the ching a lings. Mostly latino bikers and they seemed to be a local smallish club. Actualy saw a guy with their colors a few months ago so I guess theyre still around. I wonder if they have to pay up to the angels or whoever is the dominant outlaw club in NY now.

What is a "true" MC?

You mean truly stupid? Because that's what ALL clubs are, IMO.

A motorcycle is a transportation device, nothing more. The moment these idiots finally realize that, we'll all be better off.


What seperates the "true" MC is the CoC and the pecking order you are put in by the dominate club of that area.

I'm not supporting this in any way, I'm just trying to explain it. I have a few buds in various MC or RCs. Some in the dominant club of Detroit and some in the police club and fire clubs. The police clubs act all cocky cause they know as soon as it goes south, they'll instantly become cops instead of riders. It's BS. Do you all remember that big gun fight in sturgis or somin between a police club and a 1% club? This all might be something that some don't know anything about.

Homeslice
10-30-2011, 08:36 AM
Yeah I remember reading some of the "laws" of some 1% club, talking about how new clubs can't be created unless they petition to the dominant club. WTF is that about? The whole idea of giving a shit whether another group of people call themselves a club and make vests for themselves is so ridculous I can't understand it. Unless it's simply about extortion and money -- Now that I can understand. But if it's about "Only the dominant club can show their colors in this town", that's fucking stupid. People should be beyond that after age 25 or so.

dReWpY
10-30-2011, 11:51 AM
CoC???

askmrjesus
10-30-2011, 12:51 PM
Chain of Command.

Most MC's follow a military style of leadership.

It extends all the way to the spacing of the patches on your vest. This is because the original 1%er clubs, were comprised of vets from WWII.

JC

Gas Man
10-31-2011, 10:29 AM
Yeah I remember reading some of the "laws" of some 1% club, talking about how new clubs can't be created unless they petition to the dominant club. WTF is that about? The whole idea of giving a shit whether another group of people call themselves a club and make vests for themselves is so ridculous I can't understand it. Unless it's simply about extortion and money -- Now that I can understand. But if it's about "Only the dominant club can show their colors in this town", that's fucking stupid. People should be beyond that after age 25 or so.

It's not that they are limiting colors in town, it's that you have to have approval. beyond that, if they are extorting the new clubs, IDK.

CoC???

Chain of Command.

Most MC's follow a military style of leadership.

It extends all the way to the spacing of the patches on your vest. This is because the original 1%er clubs, were comprised of vets from WWII.

JC

Actually, Confederate of Clubs. I hate to do this, but remember Biker Boyz when kid wanted to make his own club. Yeah kinda like that.

As far as the patches it has to do with the 3 piece patch and when you have name on the top, logo in the middle, location on bottom. That is a "MC" setup and must be recognized by the CoC. You can get by doing an RC in similar pattern as long as it's a one piece patch. However, you should still get the CoC consent.

Further, many times, a new club must be taken under a more dominant club and can be absorbed into the larger club if the CoC or that club feel the need. Again, sorry to do, but remember SOA doing that to a club on the show.

There are tons of rules in that society. rules about talking, joining conversations, riding, passing, everything. I have even seen an online friend go OFFLINE for a long time because his club had an allieance with another smaller club. Well the other smaller club got into a beef with the dominant club and because they had allieance with that smaller club they also inherited the beef. They all had to ditch their colors, remove the logos from their bikes, change the online screen names, remove their website, the works. They litterally had to hide.

tommymac
10-31-2011, 10:32 AM
Wait, these clubs actualy ride? :lol:

Homeslice
10-31-2011, 06:51 PM
How about people just ride, and fuck hanging out w/others?

Or, if you're gonna ride with others, do it to GO somewhere (like the twisties)......not just to be SEEN or hang out at a bar or jam up a highway just to show your colors. :shrug:

I guess if I was still in my 20's, there might be some social benefits I could get from being in a club......key word MIGHT.......but even that's a stretch. Why are people willing to put up with all that rules & regulations? Just so they can feel some esprit de corps? Join the military, then. Or get on a sports team.

Apoc
10-31-2011, 07:33 PM
I guess if I was still in my 20's, there might be some social benefits I could get from being in a club......key word MIGHT.......but even that's a stretch. Why are people willing to put up with all that rules & regulations? .

Money...

Drug money... Lots of it...

shmike
10-31-2011, 08:31 PM
Money...

Drug money... Lots of it...

And the lifestyle that comes with it.

Homeslice seems to think that everyone in their 20's is building a resume while studying for their MBA just waiting for their spot to become open in middle management at a Fortune 500 employer.

These guys get in while they are young. They live fast and hard. If they are lucky enough to make it to middle age, I don't see them pulling a 180 at age 45 because Homeslice thinks it's time to grow up. :lol:

askmrjesus
10-31-2011, 09:02 PM
It's not that they are limiting colors in town, it's that you have to have approval. beyond that, if they are extorting the new clubs, IDK.

Actually, Confederate of Clubs. I hate to do this, but remember Biker Boyz when kid wanted to make his own club. Yeah kinda like that.

As far as the patches it has to do with the 3 piece patch and when you have name on the top, logo in the middle, location on bottom. That is a "MC" setup and must be recognized by the CoC. You can get by doing an RC in similar pattern as long as it's a one piece patch. However, you should still get the CoC consent.

Further, many times, a new club must be taken under a more dominant club and can be absorbed into the larger club if the CoC or that club feel the need. Again, sorry to do, but remember SOA doing that to a club on the show.

There are tons of rules in that society. rules about talking, joining conversations, riding, passing, everything. I have even seen an online friend go OFFLINE for a long time because his club had an allieance with another smaller club. Well the other smaller club got into a beef with the dominant club and because they had allieance with that smaller club they also inherited the beef. They all had to ditch their colors, remove the logos from their bikes, change the online screen names, remove their website, the works. They litterally had to hide.

Weird, I never heard of the CoC.

Then again, the club I was part of (The High Rollers) was a t-shirt club, not 1%er's. We had people on everything from Pan-heads, to MV Brutales. Still, the "Prez" was an old school guy. He had a meet with the local MC (The Free Souls) and got their "blessing", as long as we didn't run full colors. No big deal, we weren't interested in being outlaws anyway. We hung out at the same bars and parties, and there was never any trouble between us. We were a party club, and the Souls were welcome to hang at our clubhouse, as long as they didn't start any shit. We all got along.

How about people just ride, and fuck hanging out w/others?

Or, if you're gonna ride with others, do it to GO somewhere (like the twisties)......not just to be SEEN or hang out at a bar or jam up a highway just to show your colors. :shrug:

I guess if I was still in my 20's, there might be some social benefits I could get from being in a club......key word MIGHT.......but even that's a stretch. Why are people willing to put up with all that rules & regulations? Just so they can feel some esprit de corps? Join the military, then. Or get on a sports team.

Money...

Drug money... Lots of it...

It's more than just money and regulations. There is a sense of community and friendship that's appealing, even though I've never been much of a "joiner". If you're in a MC, even if it's just a shirt club, you have people that will back you up, and help out when shit goes bad. And I'm not talking about fights, (although...) mostly I'm talking about a place to crash when your wife throws you out, pot lucks if you have no cash, and shit like that.

As much as I eschew most MC's, I get where their coming from.

JC

Gas Man
11-01-2011, 09:07 PM
Wait, these clubs actualy ride? :lol:


Lots of them do lots of riding... many don't have normal jobs.

How about people just ride, and fuck hanging out w/others?

Or, if you're gonna ride with others, do it to GO somewhere (like the twisties)......not just to be SEEN or hang out at a bar or jam up a highway just to show your colors. :shrug:

I guess if I was still in my 20's, there might be some social benefits I could get from being in a club......key word MIGHT.......but even that's a stretch. Why are people willing to put up with all that rules & regulations? Just so they can feel some esprit de corps? Join the military, then. Or get on a sports team.

If you just hang out and ride... just don't do a 3 piece patch, don't patch it in the same design layout as a normal clubs do.


Money...

Drug money... Lots of it...

Exactly... but understand there are benefits of "family and friends" with your club brothers, a club house to hang out, all the things you see in shows like SOA.

Further understand boys... the 1% style clubs.

Many require you to sign the title of your bike over to the club. Some even require you to sign over everything.

You don't quit a club. sometimes you can ask to leave but then you're always welcome back.

Your life becomes
1. The club
2. Everything else... ie: job, family, etc

You are asked to join! You go thru a prospect in which you will do what you are asked of, you will not interrupt patched members when they are talking. You are a 2nd class citizen. If they say jump, you reply how high. If a patched member's bike breaks down, you offer yours. You are the bitch.

There are riding rules too, many of them. Hell there are rules for us non-clubers for passing a rolling club.

These are aspects of club life and lots of it has to do with respect.

Amorok
11-04-2011, 08:16 PM
Fuck that. I get enough chain of command at work. A couple of clubs down here have invited me to join, I'm not doing it. No way am I paying dues to be forced to go on mandatory rides.

Gas Man
11-06-2011, 09:39 PM
I'm with ya. BUt most of the people that sign up for this type of life, don't have much and don't have normal lives. The club fills in huge gaps in their lives.