Starbucks for Valentines Day, anyone?

[azoomm]

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/01/23/4208271/starbucks-pro-gun-policy-prompts.html

Starbucks' "Pro-Gun" Policy Prompts Gun Victims' Advocate Group to Launch Nationwide Boycott on Valentine's Day 2012

By National Gun Victims Action Council
Published: Monday, Jan. 23, 2012 - 8:19 am
CHICAGO, Jan. 23, 2012 -- /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A nationwide boycott of Starbucks stores and its products will be launched on Valentine's Day 2012. Its goal is to eliminate the risk of guns in public places and ultimately to bring sane gun laws to the U.S.

(Logo: http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20120123/DC39227LOGO)

This boycott is being called by the National Gun Victim's Action Council (NGAC), a network of 14 million gun victims, the faith community including the: Episcopal Peace Fellowship, United Church of Christ, Fellowship of Reconciliation (46 peace fellowships and 43 affiliate fellowships), secular groups working to reduce gun violence and many of the organizations that support passing sane gun laws.WHY STARBUCKS? Currently, Starbucks allows guns and assault weapons to be openly carried in its stores (in 43 states) and concealed and carried in its stores (in 49 states) (See Photos). Starbucks' compliance with the National Rifle Association's Pro-Gun Agenda was exposed in 2010 when members of the "open carry" movement began meeting in popular chains, such as California Pizza Kitchen, Peets, IKEA, Disney and Starbucks openly carrying their handguns and assault rifles. (Types of Guns)

To protect their customers and employees, all of the retail chains—except for Starbucks— banned guns from being carried in their stores.

"Starbucks allowing guns to be carried in thousands of their stores significantly increases everyone's risk of being a victim of gun violence," says Elliot Fineman, CEO of the NGAC. "Open and conceal and carry are among the reasons there are 12,000 gun homicides each year in the U.S. If we had England's gun laws we would expect 375 gun homicides each year—97% less than we have. England's gun laws are based on protecting public safety, ours on maximizing sales for the gun industry." Non-Sane Gun Laws

Starbucks has the legal right to ban guns but despite having been petitioned by thousands, asked at a shareholder meeting, and a direct appeal made to their Board, Starbucks clings to this policy that puts millions of Americans at risk every day and encourages the spread of guns being carried in public.

IMPACT OF STARBUCKS BOYCOTT: Fineman says, "Starbucks steadfast support of the NRA's lethal pro-gun agenda damages its 'socially conscious company' brand. Further," adds Fineman, "Monte Carlo Simulation risk analysis indicates that 90% of the time, our boycott will reduce Starbucks stock price by an amount no rational company would allow."

According to NGAC, the boycott will end when Starbucks rejects the NRA's Pro-Gun agenda by banning all guns from their stores and committing to be an Aggressive Corporate Advocate for sane gun laws.

First of all, what are "sane" gun laws?
Next, did you see those SHOCKING two pictures of people with guns having dangerous conversations with coffee??

And, really??? The coffee shops are the dangerous places to go??? I would think the open carry policy is exactly why there are NOT more gun incidents at their stores...

I'll buy a venti mocha latte that day, will you?

[pauldun170]

Gun stuff aside...
I think they should play this in starbucks stores on valentines day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OLkICjlyuE

[derf]

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/01/23/4208271/starbucks-pro-gun-policy-prompts.html



First of all, what are "sane" gun laws?
Next, did you see those SHOCKING two pictures of people with guns having dangerous conversations with coffee??

And, really??? The coffee shops are the dangerous places to go??? I would think the open carry policy is exactly why there are NOT more gun incidents at their stores...

I'll buy a venti mocha latte that day, will you?

I know where I'm not going to rob.

What these folks dont exactly understand is that the folks in the photos are the good guys, seriously, middle aged white guys that hang out in starbucks? You are scared of these guys? I'd be more scared that they forgot to take their cholesterol meds and have a heart attack behind the wheel of their car in the parking lot and run me over!

These are not the gang bangers that are going out shooting up the streets, these are law abiding people who are exsercising their ability to self defend.

Out of the 100,000,000 or so guns on the streets today 14k deaths is not bad compared to England which has an estimated 750,000 handguns (all illegal) 375 deaths! The actual number of guns used to kill someone in the US is actually lower than england. In the UK 5 out of every 10,000 guns are use in a homocide, vs the US where 15 out of every 100,000 are used in a homocide. Sorry but the numbers don't exactly hold water.

I'm not going to shop at starbucks on valentines day, mostly because I detest their coffee

[Rangerscott]

One word: Morons.

[Captain Morgan]

Reading through that, I just kept thinking "seriously? do you idiots even understand the concept of personal protection?"

Regardless of what public location it is, there are too many idiots out there with guns and despite the ban-crowds desires, there is no way all the guns will be removed from the streets. Therefore, I will carry my gun in a safe manner in order to protect myself and others from the idiots.

[Captain Morgan]

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/01/23/4208271/starbucks-pro-gun-policy-prompts.html



First of all, what are "sane" gun laws?
Next, did you see those SHOCKING two pictures of people with guns having dangerous conversations with coffee??

And, really??? The coffee shops are the dangerous places to go??? I would think the open carry policy is exactly why there are NOT more gun incidents at their stores...

I'll buy a venti mocha latte that day, will you?

What's even better is the link to "types of guns." Idiots, pure and simple.

[Homeslice]

starbucks allows guns?

huh, I would have thought they would be left-wing greenies

[Adeptus_Minor]

starbucks allows guns?

huh, I would have thought they would be left-wing greenies

Same here... wow...
I'm not crazy about their coffee, but I might have to give them a little business just to support a pro-gun business. (not that my business would even be like a billionth of a percent of their overall :lol:)

[Gas Man]

Derf... go get a treat and a water instead of coffee... find an army rifle and take it with. LOL

Capt, I'm with ya... these people are idiots.

I am going to make it a point to take my handgun in open carry on that day. So much to the point that I set an alarm in my calendar.

[RACER X]

starbucks allows guns?

huh, I would have thought they would be left-wing greenies

right.....

[Trip]

BMW riders like guns, we also infiltrate starbucks.

[Gas Man]

infiltrate ... I like it.

[RACER X]

BMW riders like guns, we also infiltrate starbucks.

i think bikers in general like guns.

[tommymac]

BMW riders like guns, we also infiltrate starbucks.

Whats their take on jews :lol:

[Trip]

whats their take on jews :lol:

dnl

[derf]

Jews with guns?

[tommymac]

Jews with guns?

Now thats just crazy talk :lol:

[Tsunami]

I'll be working that night which means on my drive to work I make my no fail trip to starbucks for a tall or grande tea or latte, a veggie artisan sandwich and a iced lemon pound cake. Good lord I need to buy some stock in that company.

[Homeslice]

I'll be working that night which means on my drive to work I make my no fail trip to starbucks for a tall or grande tea or latte, a veggie artisan sandwich and a iced lemon pound cake. Good lord I need to buy some stock in that company.

So that's like $20? :lol:

I like their iced green tea and turkey egg breakfast sandwiches

[Archren]

I have to be at Ft. Sam for a flight physical on valentine's... but I'm sure I will probably want a snack after I leave (booo to fasting for 24 hours prior), so Starbucks it is. :D

[Gas Man]

reminder!!!!

[Rangerscott]

I probably wont be able to make it.

[Gas Man]

I'm going first thing in the morning...

[Dave]

I got dumped for Vday. fuck coffee

[tommymac]

I got dumped for Vday. fuck coffee

go straight for the heroin ;)

[Tsunami]

I got dumped for Vday. fuck coffee

You are joking right? Aren't you married?

[Trip]

I got dumped for Vday. fuck coffee

Story time, I never even heard what happened with you and tori.

[Dave]

You are joking right? Aren't you married?

Dead serious, not married.

Story time, I never even heard what happened with you and tori.

ok. this is going to be long winded as fuck and I'm probably going to look like an asshole. I always tried to be a good guy and ended up getting fucked over for it.

Vic: I first met vic at a party at my house, i had just recently been dumped and was looking for a rebound, one of my friends was hitting on her and I ended up in competition because Im a man and a horny Idiot, I never meant for it to be much more than a one night stand (found out later neither did she) she was a kid and barely eighteen. ended up seeing her a few more times and then she got on the outs with her dad, he threw her out (what she led me to believe, in fact she left) he took her car and I took pity and let her move in for a little while, Shortly thereafter my roomate and his girl decided they needed more space and moved out. I now could no longer afford the house by myself so I tried to make things work with vic and let myself believe I was happy, My one night stand went for 900+. We fought a LOT toward the end i couldnt have a phone call with the girl without her screaming at me and hanging up, I always tried to be diplomatic but it rarely worked, the nine year age disparity always bothered me but I couldnt in good conscious throw her out while she couldnt support herself. there was no passion, sex would maybe happen once a month if i was lucky and only in a narrow time window. She finally got a good job and while I wondered about killing it off i was also lying to myself that we had made it three years and might be able to marry. About this time I found Liz again on facebook and things started getting out of hand.

Liz: I first met Liz when we were 6, we were ring bearer and flower girl and we walked together in her aunt's wedding. I've loved Liz since the first time I ever laid eyes on her. I first kissed her at my birthday party later that year but soon our families grew apart and I lost her. I saw her again in my teens, I didnt know who the beautiful girl was at aunt Ellie's house and I was too awkward and shy to ask. I only found out it was Liz when it was time to go and only got a short time to talk with her, lost her again until my first tour to Iraq, it was late in the trip and I was pretty mindfucked, calling my folks one night I had the double surprise of finding out our long time family friend Aunt Judy had passed away and that they were at her funeral, Liz happened to be there and they put her on, we talked for a bit and promised to meet up when I came home. I went through some incredibly painful shit at the end of that tour and it was the thought of being together with her that gave me strength to survive it. In the end it didnt happen, I was almost immediately sent back to Iraq for another two years. I forgot about her while spending the more relaxed nature of OIF 4 trying to put all of Pandora's monsters back in the box. and then last year I found her on Facebook. I had spent almost my entire life looking for her and had nearly lost hope. I felt like a fool sending a friend request, surely she had forgotten, I'd look like some obsessive creep. But she remembered me and we spent weeks reacquainting ourselves with one another, talking about phillies games and whatever else came up.

This is where I started fucking up badly. I was still lying to myself and everyone else about Victoria. I had a date set to meet up with Liz and I brought Vic (to show her she had nothing to fear from Liz) Me and Liz were completely into each other, we had amazing chemistry and I'd never felt the way I did talking to her, I could see from the sparkle in her eyes she felt the same and I knew I was making a mistake and that my time was VERY short. I tried breaking up with victoria but she was distraught, she couldnt understand that we were on the outs anyway, focused everything on Liz, said i was crazy and it was my PTSD talking (winter is bad for me) had to threaten suicide to get her to accept that it was over but she was very bitter. waited two weeks (too short) and started dating Liz. It was the happiest Id ever been in my life, I explained everything and she believed me but I felt guilt about vic, I didnt love her but I dont like treating people badly and I gave her too much leniency, she took forever to move out and left a ton of shit there while still driving one of my cars, Liz pretended that it didnt bother her but gave me hints that I missed, I forgot that I promised to have her completely gone by the new year and our relationship started to cool, I thought It was mostly stress (she has a crappy dead end job and crushing school dept) and sickness and tried being as supportive as I could but now looking back I think it was more that vic's crap was still in my house. last weekend vic texted me while I was with Liz watching a movie asking how to get to her hospital in philly by train and I answered thinking nothing of it. Liz saw and it was apparently the last straw, Im still haunted by the look on her face, Liz has had a hard life. her father was an abusive drunk pile of shit who used to beat her mother and all the kids, a lot of other folks have taken advantage of her too, some of them family. Liz doesnt trust easily and I underestimated to how great an extent that was true. she wouldnt look at me, talk, to me, touch me or acknowledge me in any way. I panicked and left, apologizing. she broke up by text the next day. I begged her to phone me. went to her house and left her valentines day gifts and card by her fence. apologized by text tuesday, yesterday, all of victoria's things have been removed from my property, she has been blocked and her number deleted and she was warned not to contact me directly for anything. I told Liz all this and still nothing. I have to give her time to calm down and wait. I am in contact with her favorite aunt who is one of the only people she loves and trusts, she says I still have a chance, that I brought out a happiness in liz that hadnt been there in years and that she must still have feelings for me. going to call her (the aunt) this weekend and try to get more advice. I have to get her back. I never meant to hurt her, Im gutted by the whole thing. I just want her back in my arms, I just want to see her smile

[Kaneman]

Damn bro, you're not supposed to stick your dick in crazy....and you're definitely not supposed to do it twice. Sorry man...

[Trip]

Damn, sorry bro, just give Liz time. If it is meant to be, she will come back, just keep following the keep tori out of your life philosphy. Probably best for tori too, to not have contact anymore, so she can move on.

[Dave]

Damn bro, you're not supposed to stick your dick in crazy....and you're definitely not supposed to do it twice. Sorry man...

She's not crazy. Just hurt. Its a bad analogy but she's like a rescue dog who was beaten by her previous owner. It doesn't make her a bad person. She needs someone in her life who gives a damn about her. That's me but I have to convince her of it

[pauldun170]

My instinct...my inner karma-being o ma thang. My ish...or kie or whatever the yoga nerds call it are pushing me to ask the question my heart, my soul feel needs to be ask..
"Got any naked pics Vic you wanna share?'
but I cant

Here's hoping you are able to work things out with Liz.
There are a lot of great women out there and its always a treat when you find one.

[Dave]

My instinct...my inner karma-being o ma thang. My ish...or kie or whatever the yoga nerds call it are pushing me to ask the question my heart, my soul feel needs to be ask..
"Got any naked pics Vic you wanna share?'
but I cant

Here's hoping you are able to work things out with Liz.
There are a lot of great women out there and its always a treat when you find one.

Im only an asshole on the internet and in uniform. No media continues to exist and I wouldnt share without consent anyway. Sorry

[pauldun170]

Im only an asshole on the internet and in uniform. No media continues to exist and I wouldnt share without consent anyway. Sorry

I never assumed that you would.
Tis why I never officially asked

[Dave]

Its not the best picture and some might have seen it already in the other thread but this is Liz.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b369/Khajjathefang/IMG_20111204_165328.jpg

[pauldun170]

When everything sorts itself out, whether you end up with Liz or the two of you part ways..
You need to have someone, someone you trust to donkey punch bear kick you straight in the balls for not karate chopping a clean break from old girlfriend once new girlfriend proves to be more than a seasonal accessory.

Either way...lesson learned. Mistakes make you stronger. You are granted a man card waiver for a short time so just know you can cry like a little bitch and quote poetry and shit like that. We will support you during the waiver period.

[Dave]

When everything sorts itself out, whether you end up with Liz or the two of you part ways..
You need to have someone, someone you trust to donkey punch bear kick you straight in the balls for not karate chopping a clean break from old girlfriend once new girlfriend proves to be more than a seasonal accessory.

Either way...lesson learned. Mistakes make you stronger. You are granted a man card waiver for a short time so just know you can cry like a little bitch and quote poetry and shit like that. We will support you during the waiver period.

I felt my window of opportunity to the literal girl of my dreams was impossibly narrow. Its my fault for not having the heart to conclude things when she was finally out.

[azoomm]

Im only an asshole on the internet and in uniform. No media continues to exist and I wouldnt share without consent anyway. Sorry

As a woman, I'll tell you. Take what you just wrote, print it up and send it to her. At the bottom, tell her that when she's ready, you'll be there. Leave it up to her to find you.

[pauldun170]

I felt my window of opportunity to the literal girl of my dreams was impossibly narrow. Its my fault for not having the heart to conclude things when she was finally out.

Twas but an error and nothing to be ashamed of.
You can tell Liz its "My fault and I was too stupid to realize that this bothered you as much as it did and too naive to know that you have to hit the ex-girlfriend in the nose and firmly tell her to take her shit outside" but that's just between you and Liz (or future ladyfriend)
However
Its is an error punishable by donkey punch bear kick.

derf is in your neck of the woods right?
derf has to donkey punch bear kick you in the balls.
due 3/31/12

[pauldun170]

As a woman, I'll tell you. Take what you just wrote, print it up and send it to her. At the bottom, tell her that when she's ready, you'll be there. Leave it up to her to find you.

You're recommending a more passive approach?
Wouldn't a Lloyd Dobler be applicable in this circumstance?

[Dave]

As a woman, I'll tell you. Take what you just wrote, print it up and send it to her. At the bottom, tell her that when she's ready, you'll be there. Leave it up to her to find you.

that was in reference to naked pictures of tori lynne. knowing Im not sharing those wont earn me brownie points with Liz

[skiergirl]

dave, dave dave you dear boy....Azoomm meant take those 3 big paragraphs and send it, NOT the whole thread. What you wrote was heartfelt the rest of the posts are just noise...and mostly pointless to your cause anyway

[Dave]

dave, dave dave you dear boy....Azoomm meant take those 3 big paragraphs and send it, NOT the whole thread. What you wrote was heartfelt the rest of the posts are just noise...and mostly pointless to your cause anyway

ah, I wasnt sure. If I can get her to calm enough to answer the phone Ill give her the whole thing

[askmrjesus]

ah, I wasnt sure. If I can get her to calm enough to answer the phone Ill give her the whole thing

You might want to leave out the part where you compared her to a rescue dog.

Some dude on Oprah said chicks don't like that.

JC

[Trip]

Yeah woman dont like being called dogs, female dogs, and rescue dogs. They may think rescue puppy is cute because of Marley and me.

[Dave]

dave, dave dave you dear boy....Azoomm meant take those 3 big paragraphs and send it, NOT the whole thread. What you wrote was heartfelt the rest of the posts are just noise...and mostly pointless to your cause anyway

You might want to leave out the part where you compared her to a rescue dog.

Some dude on Oprah said chicks don't like that.

JC

analogies need not be discussed

[derf]

Yeah woman dont like being called dogs, female dogs, and rescue dogs. They may think rescue puppy is cute because of Marley and me.

Sometimes they do like to wear dog collars.

[Lamnidae]

Sometimes they do like to wear dog collars.

Mmmmm... dog collars.

[TYEster]

So I gotta be the one who says it...


Since Victoria is kicked to the curb, and Liz left... What do their sisters look like?


:lol:

Honestly, ban yourself from this Victoria girl, and give Liz the chance and time to get back with you. If it works, great, if not, move on. Life is too short to give up.

[azoomm]

ah, I wasnt sure. If I can get her to calm enough to answer the phone Ill give her the whole thing

Yeah, what she said.

We know y'all are a bunch of big dumb boys [in that] you do things without thinking them all the way through. But, sometimes we need to be reminded.

[Dave]

So I gotta be the one who says it...


Since Victoria is kicked to the curb, and Liz left... What do their sisters look like?


:lol:

Honestly, ban yourself from this Victoria girl, and give Liz the chance and time to get back with you. If it works, great, if not, move on. Life is too short to give up.

Vic only has a brother by blood, by step she has some hideous pile of kenzo trash.

Liz's sister is a 80lb crack head, Her step is trying to figure out who baby daddy is. How Liz ended up "normal" is beyond me.

Im not giving up. But im not giving up on Liz either

Yeah, what she said.

We know y'all are a bunch of big dumb boys [in that] you do things without thinking them all the way through. But, sometimes we need to be reminded.

I sure hope you are right zoom

[azoomm]

Just don't stalk her. That doesn't end well.

[Dave]

Just don't stalk her. That doesn't end well.

I know, and im not. im giving her time and hopefully she will talk to me. If I cant convince her to take me back I'll have to let her go. It'll kill me but if she asks I can do it

[Kaneman]

Personally, I would be awfully weary of investing time and emotion into someone who has shown she has no interest in loyalty to you.

[Dave]

Personally, I would be awfully weary of investing time and emotion into someone who has shown she has no interest in loyalty to you.

If she didnt have feelings for me she would never have gotten this upset.

there are two rules to having a penis:

#1 you are automatically wrong about everything no matter what
#2 you are automatically responsible for any wrongs done by you or anyone else who possesses a penis any time anywhere

this is a rule #2 issue. cares for me but afraid of being hurt and possibly commitment and instead of taking the risk grabs initiative and hurts me first.

[Kaneman]

Never said she didn't have feelings, I said she didn't have loyalty. From my POV anyone who would get that upset and destroy a relationship over something so non-consequential doesn't have the loyalty to stick by you in a minor problem...much less a major one. People make mistakes and a real partner stick by you through them.

Those rules suck, and it sucks to base your relationships with females on them because they're incorrect and not conductive to a healthy and awesome relationship. Just about every woman out there has been beaten, raped, molested or all three by a man. It is not automatically a reason to not be able to have a normal, trusting relationship with a good man when he comes along, which by all accounts is what you are. Based on your post I feel like this girl would leave you for mismatching your socks.

[tallywacker]

My local starbucks in a Harley Fag biker bar. Bunch of leather covered, white collar, latte sipping pussies.

[Dave]

Never said she didn't have feelings, I said she didn't have loyalty. From my POV anyone who would get that upset and destroy a relationship over something so non-consequential doesn't have the loyalty to stick by you in a minor problem...much less a major one. People make mistakes and a real partner stick by you through them.

Those rules suck, and it sucks to base your relationships with females on them because they're incorrect and not conductive to a healthy and awesome relationship. Just about every woman out there has been beaten, raped, molested or all three by a man. It is not automatically a reason to not be able to have a normal, trusting relationship with a good man when he comes along, which by all accounts is what you are. Based on your post I feel like this girl would leave you for mismatching your socks.

yeah, no. you're misreading

[Kaneman]

yeah, no. you're misreading

I assumed you were correct so I reread your post concerning your women problems.

I stand by my posts. Perhaps I am reading correctly but you are loveblind?

[Adeptus_Minor]

Damn.. I step away from the board for a few days...
Sorry to hear about all the relationship shit, Dave. :(
Hope it all works out for the best.