Shootings in Colorado

[Papa_Complex]

Wingnut with a smoke grenade and guns at "The Dark Night Rises" midnight premiere? Claims that he's got bombs too.


Colorado theatre shooting leaves 14 dead, 50 wounded (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/07/20/denver-shooting-movie-premiere.html)

Gunman opens fire during screening of new Batman movie The Dark Knight Rises

The Associated Press
Posted: Jul 20, 2012 4:37 AM ET
Last Updated: Jul 20, 2012 5:58 AM ET


A gunman opened fire early Friday at a movie theatre in a Denver suburb, killing 14 people and leaving at least 50 others injured, Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said.

The shooting occurred during a showing of the latest Batman movie The Dark Knight Rises, police said.
Aurora, ColoradoAurora, Colorado

The violence erupted about 12:30 a.m. MT as the gunman stood at the front of one of the Century 16 theatres at the Aurora Mall.

"Witnesses tell us he released some sort of canister. They heard a hissing sound and some gas emerged and the gunman opened fire," Oates said at a news conference.

One suspect is in custody and there's no evidence of any additional shooters, Oates said.

There was no immediate word of any motive.

Witness Hayden Miller told KUSA-TV that he was inside Theater 16 and heard several shots.

"Like little explosions going on and shortly after that we heard people screaming," he told the station.

Hayden said at first he thought it was part of a louder movie next door. But then he saw "people hunched over leaving [the] theatre."

Aurora is located on the southeast outskirts of Denver, about 16 kilometres from downtown.

[Dave]

Lets make a movie about a violent terrorist and get all surprised when one actually shows up!

[OneSickPsycho]

12 dead...

[askmrjesus]

Lets make a movie about a violent terrorist and get all surprised when one actually shows up!

Yeah, it's just like when Jurassic Park first came out, and that T-Rex showed up at the theater...:wtfru:

JC

[Adeptus_Minor]

12 dead...

They brought 2 people back to life since earlier this morning, and uninjured 12 as well, apparently.

[Papa_Complex]

They brought 2 people back to life since earlier this morning, and uninjured 12 as well, apparently.

Fairly common for the same person to be reported multiple times in cases like this, before the dust settles.

[tommymac]

They brought 2 people back to life since earlier this morning, and uninjured 12 as well, apparently.
I noticed that too. originaly 14 dead and 50 injured. I see this occured after midnight and a 3 month old baby was hit. Who the hell takes a 3 month old to a movie after midnight?

[Adeptus_Minor]

Fairly common for the same person to be reported multiple times in cases like this, before the dust settles.

I like my version better.

"It's a miracle! We live in a time of miracles!"
--Cut-Me-Own-Hand-Off Dhblah "Small Gods"

[askmrjesus]

Who the hell takes a 3 month old to a movie after midnight?

I don't know, but the presence of three month old in a movie theater, strikes me as a possible motive in the shooting.

JC

[tommymac]

I don't know, but the presence of three month old in a movie theater, strikes me as a possible motive in the shooting.

JC

Considering the hardware this guy had seems he was much more pissed than some idiot taking ababy to a movie theater.

[OneSickPsycho]

Considering the hardware this guy had seems he was much more pissed than some idiot taking ababy to a movie theater.

I bet there was a bunch of ghetto people yelling stupid shit every time something happened, too.

[derf]

Maralyn Mansons Rolling Stone commentary on Columbine is pretty damn relevant

Columbine: Whose Fault Is It?
by Marilyn Manson
It is sad to think that the first few people on earth needed no books, movies, games or music to inspire cold-blooded murder. The day that Cain bashed his brother Abel's brains in, the only motivation he needed was his own human disposition to violence. Whether you interpret the Bible as literature or as the final word of whatever God may be, Christianity has given us an image of death and sexuality that we have based our culture around. A half-naked dead man hangs in most homes and around our necks, and we have just taken that for granted all our lives. Is it a symbol of hope or hopelessness? The world's most famous murder-suicide was also the birth of the death icon -- the blueprint for celebrity. Unfortunately, for all of their inspiring morality, nowhere in the Gospels is intelligence praised as a virtue.
A lot of people forget or never realize that I started my band as a criticism of these very issues of despair and hypocrisy. The name Marilyn Manson has never celebrated the sad fact that America puts killers on the cover of Time magazine, giving them as much notoriety as our favorite movie stars. From Jesse James to Charles Manson, the media, since their inception, have turned criminals into folk heroes. They just created two new ones when they plastered those dipshits Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris' pictures on the front of every newspaper. Don't be surprised if every kid who gets pushed around has two new idols.
We applaud the creation of a bomb whose sole purpose is to destroy all of mankind, and we grow up watching our president's brains splattered all over Texas. Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised. Does anyone think the Civil War was the least bit civil? If television had existed, you could be sure they would have been there to cover it, or maybe even participate in it, like their violent car chase of Princess Di. Disgusting vultures looking for corpses, exploiting, fucking, filming and serving it up for our hungry appetites in a gluttonous display of endless human stupidity.
When it comes down to who's to blame for the high school murders in Littleton, Colorado, throw a rock and you'll hit someone who's guilty. We're the people who sit back and tolerate children owning guns, and we're the ones who tune in and watch the up-to-the-minute details of what they do with them. I think it's terrible when anyone dies, especially if it is someone you know and love. But what is more offensive is that when these tragedies happen, most people don't really care any more than they would about the season finale of Friends or The Real World. I was dumbfounded as I watched the media snake right in, not missing a teardrop, interviewing the parents of dead children, televising the funerals. Then came the witch hunt.
Man's greatest fear is chaos. It was unthinkable that these kids did not have a simple black-and-white reason for their actions. And so a scapegoat was needed. I remember hearing the initial reports from Littleton, that Harris and Klebold were wearing makeup and were dressed like Marilyn Manson, whom they obviously must worship, since they were dressed in black. Of course, speculation snowballed into making me the poster boy for everything that is bad in the world. These two idiots weren't wearing makeup, and they weren't dressed like me or like goths. Since Middle America has not heard of the music they did listen to (KMFDM and Rammstein, among others), the media picked something they thought was similar.
Responsible journalists have reported with less publicity that Harris and Klebold were not Marilyn Manson fans -- that they even disliked my music. Even if they were fans, that gives them no excuse, nor does it mean that music is to blame. Did we look for James Huberty's inspiration when he gunned down people at McDonald's? What did Timothy McVeigh like to watch? What about David Koresh, Jim Jones? Do you think entertainment inspired Kip Kinkel, or should we blame the fact that his father bought him the guns he used in the Springfield, Oregon, murders? What inspires Bill Clinton to blow people up in Kosovo? Was it something that Monica Lewinsky said to him? Isn't killing just killing, regardless if it's in Vietnam or Jonesboro, Arkansas? Why do we justify one, just because it seems to be for the right reasons? Should there ever be a right reason? If a kid is old enough to drive a car or buy a gun, isn't he old enough to be held personally responsible for what he does with his car or gun? Or if he's a teenager, should someone else be blamed because he isn't as enlightened as an eighteen-year-old?
America loves to find an icon to hang its guilt on. But, admittedly, I have assumed the role of Antichrist; I am the Nineties voice of individuality, and people tend to associate anyone who looks and behaves differently with illegal or immoral activity. Deep down, most adults hate people who go against the grain. It's comical that people are naive enough to have forgotten Elvis, Jim Morrison and Ozzy so quickly. All of them were subjected to the same age-old arguments, scrutiny and prejudice. I wrote a song called "Lunchbox," and some journalists have interpreted it as a song about guns. Ironically, the song is about being picked on and fighting back with my Kiss lunch box, which I used as a weapon on the playground. In 1979, metal lunch boxes were banned because they were considered dangerous weapons in the hands of delinquents. I also wrote a song called "Get Your Gunn." The title is spelled with two n's because the song was a reaction to the murder of Dr. David Gunn, who was killed in Florida by pro-life activists while I was living there. That was the ultimate hypocrisy I witnessed growing up: that these people killed someone in the name of being "pro-life."
The somewhat positive messages of these songs are usually the ones that sensationalists misinterpret as promoting the very things I am decrying. Right now, everyone is thinking of how they can prevent things like Littleton. How do you prevent AIDS, world war, depression, car crashes? We live in a free country, but with that freedom there is a burden of personal responsibility. Rather than teaching a child what is moral and immoral, right and wrong, we first and foremost can establish what the laws that govern us are. You can always escape hell by not believing in it, but you cannot escape death and you cannot escape prison.
It is no wonder that kids are growing up more cynical; they have a lot of information in front of them. They can see that they are living in a world that's made of bullshit. In the past, there was always the idea that you could turn and run and start something better. But now America has become one big mall, and because of the Internet and all of the technology we have, there's nowhere to run. People are the same everywhere. Sometimes music, movies and books are the only things that let us feel like someone else feels like we do. I've always tried to let people know it's OK, or better, if you don't fit into the program. Use your imagination -- if some geek from Ohio can become something, why can't anyone else with the willpower and creativity?
I chose not to jump into the media frenzy and defend myself, though I was begged to be on every single TV show in existence. I didn't want to contribute to these fame-seeking journalists and opportunists looking to fill their churches or to get elected because of their self-righteous finger-pointing. They want to blame entertainment? Isn't religion the first real entertainment? People dress up in costumes, sing songs and dedicate themselves in eternal fandom. Everyone will agree that nothing was more entertaining than Clinton shooting off his prick and then his bombs in true political form. And the news -- that's obvious. So is entertainment to blame? I'd like media commentators to ask themselves, because their coverage of the event was some of the most gruesome entertainment any of us have seen.
I think that the National Rifle Association is far too powerful to take on, so most people choose Doom, The Basketball Diaries or yours truly. This kind of controversy does not help me sell records or tickets, and I wouldn't want it to. I'm a controversial artist, one who dares to have an opinion and bothers to create music and videos that challenge people's ideas in a world that is watered-down and hollow. In my work I examine the America we live in, and I've always tried to show people that the devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. So don't expect the end of the world to come one day out of the blue -- it's been happening every day for a long time.
MARILYN MANSON (May 28, 1999)

[udman]

Just love that ABC news has already and erroneously identified him as a Tea Partier.

Who says journalism is dead?

[udman]

Breaking:

Tony Aiello @TonyAielloNY 12m NYPD Commissioner Kelly is said to be tight w/Aurora Chief Dan Oates, who rose to Dep. Chief during 21 years w/NYPD

#BREAKING: NYPD Cmsr Kelly says CO suspect Holmes had "hair painted red, he said he was The Joker." Armed w/shotgun, AK47, 9mm, knife.

[Papa_Complex]

Just love that ABC news has already and erroneously identified him as a Tea Partier.

Who says journalism is dead?

Some people have difficulty separating the psychos from the run-of-the-mill loonies.

[tommymac]

Breaking:

Tony Aiello @TonyAielloNY 12m NYPD Commissioner Kelly is said to be tight w/Aurora Chief Dan Oates, who rose to Dep. Chief during 21 years w/NYPD

#BREAKING: NYPD Cmsr Kelly says CO suspect Holmes had "hair painted red, he said he was The Joker." Armed w/shotgun, AK47, 9mm, knife.

Last I heard on a local radio station was he just dropped out of medical school. I love how the race to be first with the facts usaly gets them wrong.

[Papa_Complex]

Well it seems that "Final Destination" is real. One of the people who was killed in this shooting left the Toronto Eaton Centre, perhaps 3 minutes before the recent shootings there a couple of weeks back.

[EpyonXero]

Yeah, it's just like when Jurassic Park first came out, and that T-Rex showed up at the theater...:wtfru:

JC

:lol:

[No Worries]

Both Obama and Romney said they would not have any negative political ads on TV in Colorado this weekend because of the Aurora movie massacre. Since they are all negative ads, it's been nice, because there hasn't been any political ads on TV.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Both Obama and Romney said they would not have any negative political ads on TV in Colorado this weekend because of the Aurora movie massacre. Since they are all negative ads, it's been nice, because there hasn't been any political ads on TV.

Movie Theater Massacre: Totally worth it to not have to hear Romney sing "America the Beautiful"

[askmrjesus]

Maybe it's just me, but...

JC

[Kaneman]

Both Obama and Romney said they would not have any negative political ads on TV in Colorado this weekend because of the Aurora movie massacre. Since they are all negative ads, it's been nice, because there hasn't been any political ads on TV.

This is hilarious. Its like they're admitting that they know their ads are extremely annoying and full of shit so they pull 'em and spare the people in their time of grief.

[KSGregman]

I wish people would wise up and just stop talking about this fool. Not another single word....absolute silence....he gets his day in court...he gets found guilty....and he gets a short walk to the hanging tree and then buried in an unmarked grave.

Why is this such a difficult thing for people to understand? That CONSTANTLY feeding the beast....CONSTANTLY providing attention....only encourages this kind of stupidity?

[tommymac]

I wish people would wise up and just stop talking about this fool. Not another single word....absolute silence....he gets his day in court...he gets found guilty....and he gets a short walk to the hanging tree and then buried in an unmarked grave.

Why is this such a difficult thing for people to understand? That CONSTANTLY feeding the beast....CONSTANTLY providing attention....only encourages this kind of stupidity?

look at our society, why do you think the kardashians are rich, as well as the jackoffs from jersey shore.

[Papa_Complex]

Maybe it's just me, but...

JC

It's just you.

[askmrjesus]

I wish people would wise up and just stop talking about this fool. Not another single word....absolute silence....he gets his day in court...he gets found guilty....and he gets a short walk to the hanging tree and then buried in an unmarked grave.

Why is this such a difficult thing for people to understand? That CONSTANTLY feeding the beast....CONSTANTLY providing attention....only encourages this kind of stupidity?

Ignore it, and it will go away?

I think it's better that his name become synonymous with limp dick nut bag.

JC

[OneSickPsycho]

Ignore it, and it will go away?

I think it's better that his name become synonymous with limp dick nut bag.

JC

Most of these guys seek attention. Attention we give them... attention that shows others they can get attention too.

[KSGregman]

Ignore it, and it will go away?

I think it's better that his name become synonymous with limp dick nut bag.

JC

NOT ignored.....but punished fairly, swiftly and harshly....with no excessive attention.

Can you truly not see that every fucking deranged attention whore in the world sees non-stop "Put YOUR name in lights" coverage like this as a fucking gold mine? Their chance to acquire attention they would NEVER...EVER....receive in their lives otherwise? It's what they most desire....attention....so why not deprive them of it? Take from them that which they value most.

You have time to fill on your sick non stop "news" channel? Why not fill it talking about the VICTIMS...who they were...and never say a WORD about the idiot with a high powered rifle conducting "well regulated militia drills"(<----- sarcasm) in lecture halls or movie theaters?

Starve the beast....don't encourage it by feeding it.

[askmrjesus]

Most of these guys seek attention. Attention we give them... attention that shows others they can get attention too.

That's a nice theory, but not talking about crazy people, does not result in
less crazy people.

JC

[azoomm]

I'm pretty sure this guy did this because he thinks his own "genius mind" can get away with it.

Ick.

[OneSickPsycho]

That's a nice theory, but not talking about crazy people, does not result in
less crazy people.

JC

Right, but if it demotivated 1... wouldn't it be worth it?

[Papa_Complex]

I'm pretty sure this guy did this because he thinks his own "genius mind" can get away with it.

Ick.

Well as a student of neuroscience, he seems rather uniquely situated to play the loon.

Right, but if it demotivated 1... wouldn't it be worth it?

Can you 'demotivate' crazy?

[OneSickPsycho]

Well as a student of neuroscience, he seems rather uniquely situated to play the loon.



Can you 'demotivate' crazy?

There's been a few of these guys who've stated the Columbine guys and others were inspirations. Perhaps demotivate was a poor choice of words... maybe uninspire would have been better... If one of these kooks just shot themselves in the face instead of taking a bunch of other motherfuckers with them, well worth it.

[tommymac]

Heres on jackass he should have shot.

http://gawker.com/5928633/aurora-shooting-victim-sues-movie-theater-for-negligence

[Papa_Complex]

There's been a few of these guys who've stated the Columbine guys and others were inspirations. Perhaps demotivate was a poor choice of words... maybe uninspire would have been better... If one of these kooks just shot themselves in the face instead of taking a bunch of other motherfuckers with them, well worth it.

Sociopaths never really consider killing themselves. After all, they're the only really important people in the world.

I've said this so many times, in so many different places, that it might as well become my catch phrase. When did we stop believing that some people are just plain fucking evil. Not misunderstood. Not insane, even temporarily. Just. Fucking. Evil.

[azoomm]

Well as a student of neuroscience, he seems rather uniquely situated to play the loon.

Can you 'demotivate' crazy?

This is like thinking, how do you protect yourself against someone willing to die for their cause? Being quiet about it would only make those truly crazy want to know more about it. There is no hiding that it happened. Now days, if the media doesn't give any information people start to go the route of the tinfoil hat. We don't need to create more crazy by trying to hide crazy under the rug.

Quite frankly, I'm really shocked there wasn't a single conceal/carry in that entire theater.

[tommymac]

Sociopaths never really consider killing themselves. After all, they're the only really important people in the world.

I've said this so many times, in so many different places, that it might as well become my catch phrase. When did we stop believing that some people are just plain fucking evil. Not misunderstood. Not insane, even temporarily. Just. Fucking. Evil.

And if they do like the kids at columbine they want to make a big splash in the process. problem is those guys have set the bar so now if a kids going to go down in flames he needst to out do columbine and kill more people or blow up more stuff.

[askmrjesus]

Heres on jackass he should have shot.

http://gawker.com/5928633/aurora-shooting-victim-sues-movie-theater-for-negligence

That didn't take long.

POS.

JC

[askmrjesus]

Quite frankly, I'm really shocked there wasn't a single conceal/carry in that entire theater.

Two things;

First, the theater was a "gun free zone", so law abiding/rule obeying gun people (like most CWP holders) would not have been armed.

Second, Tear gas+dark+body armor+ a shit load of panicked people, does not add up to getting a good result with a hand gun.

JC

[Papa_Complex]

That didn't take long.

POS.

JC

"Somebody has to be responsible for the rampant violence that is shown today," Karpel told TMZ.

I thought that 'somebody' was the asshole pulling the trigger? Probably find out that this douche was sitting at home watching football reruns on ESPN, when it all went down.

[azoomm]

Two things;

First, the theater was a "gun free zone", so law abiding/rule obeying gun people (like most CWP holders) would not have been armed.

Second, Tear gas+dark+body armor+ a shit load of panicked people, does not add up to getting a good result with a hand gun.

JC
I didn't say I thought it would be a good idea. I said I'm shocked. Especially that close to Pueblo.

[udman]

I didn't say I thought it would be a good idea. I said I'm shocked. Especially that close to Pueblo.

Why? What's the deal with Pueblo?

[askmrjesus]

I didn't say I thought it would be a good idea. I said I'm shocked. Especially that close to Pueblo.

I know, that's just my general response to all the idiots that have said things would have been better, if there were more guns in the movie house.

JC

[derf]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31301174/detail.html

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/2012/0724/31301274_640X480.jpg

He really is the batman

[azoomm]

Why? What's the deal with Pueblo?

Highest ratio of tinfoil hats to heads anywhere in the US. No joke.

[EpyonXero]

http://boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/369ae5ccd36611e19fa512313820475a_7.jpg

[askmrjesus]

Well fuck me.

Entertainment Weekly finally got a headline right.

JC

[Homeslice]

Why? What's the deal with Pueblo?

A rather conservative area......so likely to have above-avg # of CCW holders

[Switch]

As a CCW holder, regular carryer, and owner of an assault rifle, let me say this:

There is no reason why assault rifles should be legal for citizens to possess. You cannot hunt with them, you can target shoot, but hell, you can target shoot with a bolt action Remington 700. They server no legitimate purpose.

That being said, would anyone like to purchase a Bushmaster AR-15 with lots of goodies?

[derf]

As a CCW holder, regular carryer, and owner of an assault rifle, let me say this:

There is no reason why assault rifles should be legal for citizens to possess. You cannot hunt with them, you can target shoot, but hell, you can target shoot with a bolt action Remington 700. They server no legitimate purpose.

That being said, would anyone like to purchase a Bushmaster AR-15 with lots of goodies?

Bull fucking shit.

John Adams:

"Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense."


Patrick Henry, 1775:

"They tell us that we are weak -- unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Three million people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us."


Thomas Jefferson:

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."


Noah Webster, 1787:

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."


George Washington's address to the second session of the First U.S. Congress:

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty, teeth and keystone under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon and citizens' firearms are indelibly related. From the hour the pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that, to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. Every corner of this land knows firearms, and more than 99 and 99/100 percent of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil influence. They deserve a place of honor with all that's good. When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour."

And found on yahoo:


The 2nd Amendment tells us that we have a right to bear arms. If you study the history behind this amendment, it was put into the Constitution to ensure that the public held weapons to prevent the government from becoming a tyranny.

The founding fathers of the USA and Jefferson in particular was very concerned with the abuse of power. In many ways the Constitution is extremely liberal. It attempts to define certain actions that the Government can not do in any circumstance. These are actions like limiting free speech, forcing us to accept troops in our homes, and torture. If you study them, you'll see that in every case, what the Bill of Rights attempts to do is to prevent the abuse of power by government.

So the right to bear arms has nothing to do with hunting or even freedom. Bearing arms is simply the last resort to take power back from those who abuse power. The first resort should always be freedom of speech, attempting to argue and negotiate to eliminate the abuse of power. Violence should be the last resort. "But all power ultimately comes from violence" - and I can't remember which philosopher said that.


Thats why we can have cool guns

[Captain Morgan]

That being said, would anyone like to purchase a Bushmaster AR-15 with lots of goodies?

How much are you asking for it? And what are the goodies?

[askmrjesus]

Thats why we can have cool guns

Double Bull fucking shit.

All that shit made sense in 1775, not so much since the cruise missile was invented.

Let's just call it what it is: Firepower is fun.

Shoot a watermelon once, meh. Shoot it 100 times, now you got a party.

JC

[Adeptus_Minor]

Shoot a watermelon once, meh. Shoot it 100 times, now you got a party.

JC

Or the beginning of a fruit salad. :lol:

[askmrjesus]

Or the beginning of a fruit salad. :lol:

And it's Vegan safe.

JC

[Papa_Complex]

Double Bull fucking shit.

All that shit made sense in 1775, not so much since the cruise missile was invented.

Let's just call it what it is: Firepower is fun.

Shoot a watermelon once, meh. Shoot it 100 times, now you got a party.

JC

Now there you go, shitting all over my plans to move down there so that I can re-enact "The Rat Patrol" in a FAV with a GAU-17 minigun mounted on it, in the Mohave.. I was going to be the English guy. Cool hat.

[OneSickPsycho]

Double Bull fucking shit.

All that shit made sense in 1775, not so much since the cruise missile was invented.

Let's just call it what it is: Firepower is fun.

Shoot a watermelon once, meh. Shoot it 100 times, now you got a party.

JC

That's right... Because ever since the invention of the cruise middle, guns havent been used successfully in combat.

[azoomm]

How much are you asking for it? And what are the goodies?

I was going to ask the same thing :)

[Switch]

Right. If the government turned against its own citizens now, an AR wouldn't really matter. Have you seen how militarized your police force is? Just think about the entire military coming after you.

I'll post the rifle up in the for sale area if my buddy doesn't want it.

[OneSickPsycho]

Right. If the government turned against its own citizens now, an AR wouldn't really matter. Have you seen how militarized your police force is? Just think about the entire military coming after you.

I'll post the rifle up in the for sale area if my buddy doesn't want it.

That's the spirit.

[udman]

Did someone say you can't hunt with an assault rifle?

[askmrjesus]

Did someone say you can't hunt with an assault rifle?

Yes they did. :lol:

I would partially agree. Depends on the rifle, the range and the caliber.

Deer at 100 yards with a 7x62, sure.

Elk at 300 yards with a .223? Not so much. :lol:

JC

[udman]

Yes they did. :lol:

I would partially agree. Depends on the rifle, the range and the caliber.

Deer at 100 yards with a 7x62, sure.

Elk at 300 yards with a .223? Not so much. :lol:

JC

zaktly. Point being, you can hunt with a bb gun if the distance and prey are appropriate for said weapon. Hell, I could hunt with a freakin spoon if the conditions were right.

[askmrjesus]

zaktly. Point being, you can hunt with a bb gun if the distance and prey are appropriate for said weapon. Hell, I could hunt with a freakin spoon if the conditions were right.

I think his point was, you don't NEED an assault style rifle for sporting/home defense purposes.

This, however, is America. It's not about what we need, it's about what we want.

JC

[Papa_Complex]

Did someone say you can't hunt with an assault rifle?

Same people probably think that you can't fish with grenades.

[fatbuckRTO]

I think his point was, you don't NEED an assault style rifle for sporting/home defense purposes.

This, however, is America. It's not about what we need, it's about what we want.

JCThey may not be strictly necessary for home defense. But ask the citizens of New Orleans which they preferred having by their side in the aftermath of Katrina, a handgun or an assault rifle.*

Or the Korean shopkeepers in LA during the Rodney King riots.

Just because you don't always need them, doesn't mean you don't ever need them.




* Before the cops took them all away...

[Switch]

Did someone say you can't hunt with an assault rifle?

I cannot legally hunt with the caliber of my AR in the state of Tennessee. .223 is too small.

[RACER X]

^ then get a .308 or 50cal AR

who's needs 'vettes and busa too!!

btw, the lawsuits have begun

In wake of tragedy, lawyers step in: Colorado shooting survivor plans suit, says publicist | The Lookout - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/wake-tragedies-lawyers-step-colorado-shooting-survivor-plans-172430871.html)

In wake of tragedy, lawyers step in: Colorado shooting survivor plans suit, says publicist

Torrence Brown Jr., one of the Aurora movie shooting survivors, is planning on suing the theater, confirmed his family's publicist on Wednesday. "We're going to make sure whoever is accountable is going to take responsibility for this tragedy," Cassandra Williams of Wet PR said. She said that Brown, who was friends with 18-year-old AJ Boik, one of the shooting victims, is handling the criticism his suit has sparked. "We know it goes with the territory, so he's fine," Williams said. She added that Brown, 18, is seeking therapy and is emotionally distraught after the shooting.

Brown's attorney Don Karpel told TMZ he plans to sue the Century 16 theater, which is owned by Cinemark, for having an exit door that was not equipped with an alarm or guarded. (Holmes reportedly left the theater through the exit door, propped it open and returned with his weapons.) Karpel also said he may sue Warner Bros for releasing violent movies that may have inspired the shooter, as well as the suspect's doctors, if he had any, for hypothetically not monitoring James Holmes' mental condition properly.

J.H. Verkerke, director of the University of Virginia Law School's Program for Employment and Labor Law, told Yahoo News that in general, it would be difficult to win a claim against a theater in this type of situation unless you could prove that the theater should have known about the threat and that its safety standards are below average compared to most movie theaters. Cinemark declined to comment on the suit on Tuesday.

Lawsuits certainly aren't uncommon in the wake of mass shootings like Columbine, Virginia Tech and Fort Hood. After the 1999 Columbine school shooting, some families of the young victims banded together to sue gaming companies for $5 billion. The class action alleged that the shooters were influenced by violent video games, especially one called "Doom." A federal judge dismissed the suit. And several suits against the school were also nixed. But some families did win a settlement against the shooter's parents and against friends involved in providing guns to the young men.

Family members of some victims of the 2007 Virginia Tech shooting won their $8 million suit against the school for failing to notify students faster that a gunman was on campus, which they said would have saved their children's lives. The state settled with other victims' families for $11 million. More than 50 relatives of the victims of the Fort Hood massacre in 2009 sued the government, saying authorities ignored signs that the accused killer, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, was violent and dangerous.

[Captain Morgan]

I cannot legally hunt with the caliber of my AR in the state of Tennessee. .223 is too small.

The only thing I can hunt with one is coyote, as there are no laws on hunting them or weapon used to hunt them.

[Homeslice]

btw, the lawsuits have begun


Movie exit doors never have an alarm in my experience, unless maybe it's an alarm only the management can hear

[azoomm]

Movie exit doors never have an alarm in my experience, unless maybe it's an alarm only the management can hear

right. They are typically used as an alternate exit and monitored only to make sure someone isn't letting their friends into the movie for free.

people seem to forget it is normal to feel traumatized from a traumatic situation.

[Cass]

zaktly. Point being, you can hunt with a bb gun if the distance and prey are appropriate for said weapon. Hell, I could hunt with a freakin spoon if the conditions were right.

why a spoon, cousin?

because it's dull you twit, it'll hurt more.

[Switch]

This is probably important: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzcE0V5jVJY&feature=b-cat-activism

[Papa_Complex]

This is probably important: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzcE0V5jVJY&feature=b-cat-activism

You mean "might be important." There might have been a second conspirator or there might have been a dupe, who he convinced to "sneak him into the movie for free." Odds are that person was the first to hit the floor, with a bullet in the head.

[Homeslice]

I thought it was already decided that it was the gunman who went out the exit door. Or did the witnesses even verify that he had red hair, etc?

[Cutty72]

I cannot legally hunt with the caliber of my AR in the state of Tennessee. .223 is too small.

Well, in the great state of ND, using my .223 caliber "assault rifle" I can hunt:

White tail deer
Mule deer
Coyote
Fox
Prairie Dogs
Striped Gopher
Skunk
Badger
Beaver
Racoon

[OneSickPsycho]

Ignore it, and it will go away?

I think it's better that his name become synonymous with limp dick nut bag.

JC

Most of these guys seek attention. Attention we give them... attention that shows others they can get attention too.

That's a nice theory, but not talking about crazy people, does not result in
less crazy people.

JC

Right, but if it demotivated 1... wouldn't it be worth it?

Well as a student of neuroscience, he seems rather uniquely situated to play the loon.



Can you 'demotivate' crazy?

There's been a few of these guys who've stated the Columbine guys and others were inspirations. Perhaps demotivate was a poor choice of words... maybe uninspire would have been better... If one of these kooks just shot themselves in the face instead of taking a bunch of other motherfuckers with them, well worth it.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-la-na-nn-maryland-arrest-plot-20120727,0,7064104.story

[azoomm]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-la-na-nn-maryland-arrest-plot-20120727,0,7064104.story

One guy making the same reference to a decades old villan does not mean he was inspired by another nutjob that did it earlier in the week.

:jerry:

[RACER X]

now the conspiracy theories begin

"Most important to note about James Holmes, however, this report says, is that his father, Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history that is currently unfolding and threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system. Robert Holmes, whose “blueblood” family links go back to the Mayflower, is known throughout the global banking community as being the creator of one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed and is credited with developing predictive models for financial services; credit and fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.

Educated at the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, Robert Holmes is currently the senior lead scientist with the American credit score company FICO, which was formally known as Fair, Isaac and Company, and which every American citizen is beholden to should they need to borrow money."

[Captain Morgan]

Conspiracy theories have been going ever since this started, most of which are that this was put in place specifically so the government can enact more gun control. There are side-by-side pics of James Holmes that were first shown in the media and of him in court stating the pics aren't of the same person, therefore, he must be a plant by the government.

Conspiracy theory or not, I've been saying for awhile that they don't need to take away guns, they just need to take away ammo. Now it seems that laws are being discussed to make it more difficult to order ammo online or via mail and to restrict the amount of ammo that can be purchased over a certain period of time. The constitution doesn't give us the right to ammunition, it only gives us the right to arms. What good are guns without ammo? Pretty big loophole and it looks like it's going to be used, or at least attempted.

[Papa_Complex]

now the conspiracy theories begin

"Most important to note about James Holmes, however, this report says, is that his father, Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history that is currently unfolding and threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system. Robert Holmes, whose “blueblood” family links go back to the Mayflower, is known throughout the global banking community as being the creator of one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed and is credited with developing predictive models for financial services; credit and fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.

Educated at the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, Robert Holmes is currently the senior lead scientist with the American credit score company FICO, which was formally known as Fair, Isaac and Company, and which every American citizen is beholden to should they need to borrow money."

So what you're saying is that "Joker" Holmes is going to walk out of the prison when his secret Trojan Horse programme brings down the international banking system computers, causing a global crash of the internet that knocks the prison's security system offline?

Cool. I bet that they'll be throwing a lot of toilet paper rolls around too.

[Kaneman]

WTF? That's not the same guy....

[OneSickPsycho]

WTF? That's not the same guy....

Ugh... yes, yes it is the same guy.

[Smittie61984]

I know, that's just my general response to all the idiots that have said things would have been better, if there were more guns in the movie house.

JC

I doubt much would have improved with someone armed there considering he came in like a tactical police squad. From the north Hollywood shootouts it's clear heavily armored people can be fairly resistant to bullets (especially if doped up). But I'd argue that if this happened in say a movie theatre in Compton where there is likely to be a high number of gang bangers then there would probably be enough return fire to knock him down.

And the reality is you can't stop these nut jobs. If everyone in a movie theatre was required to carry an AR-15 then the nut jobs would start bombing just like they do in Israel which allows carrying guns without a permit. Can't remember the last time I heard of a person shooting up a restaurant in Israel but they'll blow themselves up in one.

[tommymac]

I doubt much would have improved with someone armed there considering he came in like a tactical police squad. From the north Hollywood shootouts it's clear heavily armored people can be fairly resistant to bullets (especially if doped up). But I'd argue that if this happened in say a movie theatre in Compton where there is likely to be a high number of gang bangers then there would probably be enough return fire to knock him down.

And the reality is you can't stop these nut jobs. If everyone in a movie theatre was required to carry an AR-15 then the nut jobs would start bombing just like they do in Israel which allows carrying guns without a permit. Can't remember the last time I heard of a person shooting up a restaurant in Israel but they'll blow themselves up in one.

Non3e of the gangbangers realy know how to shoot though. They would wind up killing everyone the shooter missed and never hit the shooter. There was a drive by shooting in brooklyn over the weekend. 6 people were hit, none were the intended targets.

[derf]

and those crazies start to be scared of guns

http://www.wsmv.com/story/19137384/3-people-carry-guns-into-movie-theater-in-putnam-county

[Smittie61984]

Non3e of the gangbangers realy know how to shoot though. They would wind up killing everyone the shooter missed and never hit the shooter. There was a drive by shooting in brooklyn over the weekend. 6 people were hit, none were the intended targets.

True, but NYC bans guns so the law abiding gangbangers don't get as much practice as the LA gangbangers where guns aren't banned and they are better shots than the NYC gangbangers you are use to. Not sure that makes sense but I'm betting it makes political sense.

[RACER X]

yeah!!!

talk of tracking or not allowing ammo sales over the i-net

[Smittie61984]

yeah!!!

talk of tracking or not allowing ammo sales over the i-net

Well they obviously do a great job stopping drug sales through the internet so how can that fail?

[RACER X]

at least it'll create more jobs

1 or 2

[tommymac]

True, but NYC bans guns so the law abiding gangbangers don't get as much practice as the LA gangbangers where guns aren't banned and they are better shots than the NYC gangbangers you are use to. Not sure that makes sense but I'm betting it makes political sense.

I agree to an extent, a lot of NYC is close confined areas with all the appt buildings, th eghettos arent as spread out as it is in LA so I think its just fewer opportunities to fire off afew rounds. The other thing is in NYC getting a concealed carry permit is virtualy impossible, outside of cops and a few busines owners no one is carrying on the streets.

[Smittie61984]

at least it'll create more jobs

1 or 2

I'd say it'd create 1000-2000 jobs but all bureaucrats with maybe 1 or 2 people to actually enforce it.

[Smittie61984]

I agree to an extent, a lot of NYC is close confined areas with all the appt buildings, th eghettos arent as spread out as it is in LA so I think its just fewer opportunities to fire off afew rounds. The other thing is in NYC getting a concealed carry permit is virtualy impossible, outside of cops and a few busines owners no one is carrying on the streets.

Actually I think it is next to impossible in California unless you are at least a D-list celebrity.

[Homeslice]

now the conspiracy theories begin

"Most important to note about James Holmes, however, this report says, is that his father, Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history that is currently unfolding and threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system. Robert Holmes, whose “blueblood” family links go back to the Mayflower, is known throughout the global banking community as being the creator of one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed and is credited with developing predictive models for financial services; credit and fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.

Educated at the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, Robert Holmes is currently the senior lead scientist with the American credit score company FICO, which was formally known as Fair, Isaac and Company, and which every American citizen is beholden to should they need to borrow money."

If this is supposed to mean that the Illuminati set up his son in order to prevent his father from testifying, it doesn't seem to be doing a very good job, as his parents don't seem to give much of a shit about him.