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Gas Man
08-24-2012, 08:50 PM
WOW!!! Just wow.

..Apple triumphs over Samsung, awarded over $1 billion damages (http://news.yahoo.com/jury-reaches-verdict-apple-samsung-trial-court-officials-215605461--sector.html)By Gerry Shih | Reuters – 43 mins ago.........

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....SAN JOSE, California (Reuters) - Apple Inc. scored a sweeping legal victory over Samsung on Friday as a U.S. jury found the Korean company had copied critical features of the hugely popular iPhone and iPad and awarded the U.S. company $1.051 billion in damages.

The verdict -- which came much sooner than expected -- could lead to an outright ban on sales of key Samsung products and will likely solidify Apple's dominance of the exploding mobile computing market.

A number of companies that sell smartphones based on Google's Android operating system may now face further legal challenges from Apple, a company that is already among the largest and most profitable in business history.

Shares in Apple, which just this week became the biggest company by market value in history, climbed almost 2 percent to a record high of $675 in after-hours trade.

Brian Love, a Santa Clara law school professor, described it as a crushing victory for Apple: "This is the best-case scenario Apple could have hoped for."

The jury deliberated for less than three days before delivering the verdict on seven Apple patent claims and five Samsung patent claims -- suggesting that the nine-person panel had little difficulty in concluding that Samsung had copied the iPhone and the iPad.

Billions of dollars in future sales hang in the balance.

Apple's charges that Samsung copied its designs and features are widely viewed as an attack on Google Inc and its Android software, which drives Samsung's devices and has become the most-used mobile software.

Apple and Samsung, two companies that sell more than half the world's smartphones and tablets, have locked legal horns in several countries this year.

Earlier on Friday, a South Korean court found that both companies shared blame, ordering Samsung to stop selling 10 products including its Galaxy S II phone and banning Apple from selling four different products, including its iPhone 4.

But the trial on Apple's home turf -- the world's largest and most influential technology market -- is considered the most important.

The fight began last year when Apple sued Samsung in multiple countries, accusing the South Korean company of slavishly copying the iPhone and iPad. Samsung countersued. Apple had sought more than $2.5 billion in damages from Samsung, which has disputed that figure.

The companies are rivals, but also have a $5 billion-plus supply relationship. Apple is Samsung's biggest customer for microprocessors and other parts central to Apple's devices.

A NEAR CLEAN SWEEP?

The U.S. jury spent most of August in a packed federal courtroom in San Jose -- just miles from Apple's headquarters in Cupertino -- listening to testimony, examining evidence and watching lawyers from both sides joust about seven Apple patents, five Samsung patents, and damage claims.

Jurors received 100 pages of legal instructions from U.S. District Judge Lucy Koh on August 21 prior to hearing the closing arguments from attorneys.

Lawyers from both tech giants used their 25 hours each of trial time to present internal emails, draw testimony from designers and experts, and put on product demonstrations and mockups to convince the jury.

At times, their questions drew testimony that offered glimpses behind the corporate facade, such as the margins on the iPhone and Samsung's sales figures in the United States.

From the beginning, Apple's tactic was to present what it thought was chronological evidence of Samsung copying its phone.

Juxtaposing pictures of phones from both companies and internal Samsung emails that specifically analyzed the features of the iPhone, Apple's attorneys accused Samsung of taking shortcuts after realizing it could not keep up.

Samsung's attorneys, on the other hand, maintained Apple had no sole right to geometric designs such as rectangles with rounded corners. They called Apple's damage claim "ridiculous" and urged the jury to consider that a verdict in favor of Apple could stifle competition and reduce choices for consumers.

The California trial has produced its share of drama and heated moments. Lawyers routinely bickered over legal matters in the jury's absence, filed rafts of paperwork to thwart each other's courtroom strategy, and sometimes even resorted to public relations tactics to make their views known.

(Additional reporting by Dan Levine, Poornima Gupta and Edwin Chan,; Editing by Bernard Orr, Jonathan Weber, Leslie Gevirtz, Gary Hill)

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pauldun170
08-24-2012, 09:29 PM
This is bs

Trip
08-24-2012, 10:05 PM
Which patents did Apple win? They won 6 out of 7, but what the fuck were they? Can't find that anywhere...

Trip
08-24-2012, 10:15 PM
Looks like the iPad design patents are the ones that got thrown out. That's good to hear since square rounded corner tablets have been around a lot longer than the iPad. They weren't big smart phones, but regular windows tablets, thicker and heavier, but still the same basic shape.

The multi touch/pinch to zoom bullshit should of fell too, you can watch all kinds of youtube videos showing windows did it first. It's absolute bullshit the patent office gave them those patents.

We need to fix the patent system, it's fucking broke. This is not what the patent system was made for...

udman
08-24-2012, 10:35 PM
http://rolandcharles.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/samsung-phones-before-and-after-iphones.jpg

Trip
08-24-2012, 10:47 PM
This predates the iPhone. Sure it wasn't a commercial success, but it shows the bs of the patent system for allowing apple to hold the basic design of maximizing screen size in a minimal case.

http://http://allthingsd.com/files/2012/07/lg_prada.png

Sixxxxer
08-24-2012, 10:50 PM
Who fucking cares? It's all propaganda bullshit anyway.

Apple/Samsung, There probably in bed together.

Trip
08-24-2012, 10:56 PM
Who fucking cares? It's all propaganda bullshit anyway.

Apple/Samsung, There probably in bed together.

They are, apple products are made with a fuck ton of Samsung products. It would be funny to see Samsung just stop supplying Apple. That will never happen cause Samsung doesn't want to miss out on all the cash they make off Apple.

If Apple pisses off enough tech companies they could really fuck themselves over since they make jackshit. They are just a design company that depends on other companies to actually manufacturer their products, including Samsung and Motorola.

EpyonXero
08-25-2012, 12:04 AM
This sucks, Samsung makes some good stuff.

Homeslice
08-25-2012, 02:51 AM
Haven't paid attention to this case, but considering that ALL smartphones are rectangles with rounded corners (except POS Blackberries), I don't see what the deal is.

And who would mistake Samdung's too-thin, plasticky-feeling phones with Apple's solid ingot-feeling awesomeness?

njchopper87
08-25-2012, 09:29 AM
The verdict -- which came much sooner than expected -- could lead to an outright ban on sales of key Samsung products and will likely solidify Apple's dominance of the exploding mobile computing market.

I'm still not paying for Apple's over priced garbage..

fatbuckRTO
08-25-2012, 11:48 AM
So the Amercan court found in Apple's favor, and the Korean court found in Samsung's favor...

Justice is blind, alright.

Homeslice
08-25-2012, 12:39 PM
I'm still not paying for Apple's over priced garbage..

iphone 4s now available for $149, I wouldn't call that overpriced

azoomm
08-25-2012, 12:46 PM
iphone 4s now available for $149, I wouldn't call that overpriced

$49 at Best Buy.

Trip
08-25-2012, 12:51 PM
$49 at Best Buy.

That's the 4, not the 4s, 8 gig version

The low end 4s at best buy is 199

Homeslice
08-25-2012, 12:53 PM
I meant the 4s at a contract price (Sprint)

Why is BB's price $50 higher?

azoomm
08-25-2012, 12:56 PM
That's the 4, not the 4s, 8 gig version

The low end 4s at best buy is 199

My point, iPhone (4, 4s, iWhatever) is not more than the bang-zoom Samsung.

Trip
08-25-2012, 12:59 PM
My point, iPhone (4, 4s, iWhatever) is not more than the bang-zoom Samsung.

Well if you compare a 2 year old phone against a brand new phone it's not. The 1 year old Samsungs are pretty much free now and have LTE against the 4s (Apple's 1 year old phone) which is just $50 off the original price it sold for if you have Sprint, if you don't have Sprint, you are still paying full price.

Can't compare apples and oranges...

If you are buying apple, money shouldn't even be a consideration, because you won't ever save money against their competitors.

Homeslice
08-25-2012, 01:24 PM
If you mean the galaxy 2, sure it's cheaper, but it's also flimsy feeling compared to the iphone, and it's camera isn't nearly as good.

LTE, ok that's an advantage, but if you're not streaming HD, it isn't that big of a deal.

Trip
08-25-2012, 02:56 PM
If you mean the galaxy 2, sure it's cheaper, but it's also flimsy feeling compared to the iphone, and it's camera isn't nearly as good.

LTE, ok that's an advantage, but if you're not streaming HD, it isn't that big of a deal.

LTE is a huge advantage on Verizon. If you are on AT&T, I would agree its just a slight advantage.

Apples may feel better, but it fairs about the same in drops. Heck I have seen samsungs fair a lot better in drops. Replacing screens on the iPhone is incredibly common.

Rangerscott
08-25-2012, 03:20 PM
I want a circle phone.

I don't give a shit about LTE since we don't have it and probably wont get it for another 5 years or so.


When you look at the price of phones without contracts, does the manufacturing cost even come close to that?

fasternyou929
08-25-2012, 06:59 PM
When you look at the price of phones without contracts, does the manufacturing cost even come close to that?

When you factor in the R&D, FCC testing, Bluetooth inter-op testing, type approval, customized SW for carriers, etc., yes. The budget to develop and produce a cell phone would blow your mind.

Dave
08-25-2012, 09:58 PM
If you are buying apple, money shouldn't even be a consideration, because you won't ever save money against their competitors.

Youd think it was cheaper with slave labor :lol

Rangerscott
08-25-2012, 10:28 PM
When you factor in the R&D, FCC testing, Bluetooth inter-op testing, type approval, customized SW for carriers, etc., yes. The budget to develop and produce a cell phone would blow your mind.

That sucks. I'd buy a new phone every 6 months if they were reasonably priced.

Sixxxxer
08-26-2012, 04:14 PM
They are, apple products are made with a fuck ton of Samsung products. It would be funny to see Samsung just stop supplying Apple. That will never happen cause Samsung doesn't want to miss out on all the cash they make off Apple.

If Apple pisses off enough tech companies they could really fuck themselves over since they make jackshit. They are just a design company that depends on other companies to actually manufacturer their products, including Samsung and Motorola.

If i remember correctly, Samsung supplies ALOT of cell phone companies with the screens for the phones. Samsung also has a good hold on the TV market as well as most HD LCD Tv's use Samsung screens, Even if it says LG on the front.

From what a buddy of mine told me once with issues with phones being on backorder is bc samsung couldn't keep up with the demand and screens weren't ready in time thus causing delays in getting the new batches of phones out.

Trip
08-26-2012, 05:40 PM
If i remember correctly, Samsung supplies ALOT of cell phone companies with the screens for the phones. Samsung also has a good hold on the TV market as well as most HD LCD Tv's use Samsung screens, Even if it says LG on the front.

From what a buddy of mine told me once with issues with phones being on backorder is bc samsung couldn't keep up with the demand and screens weren't ready in time thus causing delays in getting the new batches of phones out.

There are all sorts of chips and parts that samsung makes that apple takes advantage of...

The screens you are talking about were for Droids, those are the Super AMOLED screens. Apple doesn't use those.

Trip
08-27-2012, 09:25 AM
Found someone who did the homework for us.

"Samsung products comprise 26 percent of the component cost of the iPhone"