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RACER X
08-30-2012, 03:41 PM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/education/article/Students-will-be-tracked-via-chips-in-IDs-3584339.php

Students will be tracked via chips in IDs

By Francisco Vara-Orta
Updated 10:07 a.m., Saturday, May 26, 2012

Northside Independent School District plans to track students next year on two of its campuses using technology implanted in their student identification cards in a trial that could eventually include all 112 of its schools and all of its nearly 100,000 students.

District officials said the Radio Frequency Identification System (RFID) tags would improve safety by allowing them to locate students — and count them more accurately at the beginning of the school day to help offset cuts in state funding, which is partly based on attendance.

Northside, the largest school district in Bexar County, plans to modify the ID cards next year for all students attending John Jay High School, Anson Jones Middle School and all special education students who ride district buses. That will add up to about 6,290 students.

The school board unanimously approved the program late Tuesday but, in a rarity for Northside trustees, they hotly debated it first, with some questioning it on privacy grounds.

State officials and national school safety experts said the technology was introduced in the past decade but has not been widely adopted. Northside's deputy superintendent of administration, Brian Woods, who will take over as superintendent in July, defended the use of RFID chips at Tuesday's meeting, comparing it to security cameras. He stressed that the program is only a pilot and not permanent.

“We want to harness the power of (the) technology to make schools safer, know where our students are all the time in a school, and increase revenues,” district spokesman Pascual Gonzalez said. “Parents expect that we always know where their children are, and this technology will help us do that.”

Chip readers on campuses and on school buses can detect a student's location but can't track them once they leave school property. Only authorized administrative officials will have access to the information, Gonzalez said.

“This way we can see if a student is at the nurse's office or elsewhere on campus, when they normally are counted for attendance in first period,” he said.

Gonzalez said the district plans to send letters to parents whose students are getting the the RFID-tagged ID cards. He said officials understand that students could leave the card somewhere, throwing off the system. They cost $15 each, and if lost, a student will have to pay for a new one.

Parents interviewed outside Jay and Jones as they picked up their children Thursday were either supportive, skeptical or offended.

Veronica Valdorrinos said she would be OK if the school tracks her daughter, a senior at Jay, as she always fears for her safety. Ricardo and Juanita Roman, who have two daughters there, said they didn't like that Jay was targeted.

Gonzalez said the district picked schools with lower attendance rates and staff willing to pilot the tags.

Some parents said they understood the benefits but had reservations over privacy.

“I would hope teachers can help motivate students to be in their seats instead of the district having to do this,” said Margaret Luna, whose eighth-grade granddaughter at Jones will go to Jay next year. “But I guess this is what happens when you don't have enough money.”

The district plans to spend $525,065 to implement the pilot program and $136,005 per year to run it, but it will more than pay for itself, predicted Steve Bassett, Northside's assistant superintendent for budget and finance. If successful, Northside would get $1.7 million next year from both higher attendance and Medicaid reimbursements for busing special education students, he said.

But the payoff could be a lot bigger if the program goes districtwide, Bassett said.

He said the program was one way the growing district could respond to the Legislature's cuts in state education funding. Northside trimmed its budget last year by $61.4 million.

Two school districts in the Houston area — Spring and Santa Fe ISDs — have used the technology for several years and have reported gains of hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue for improved attendance. Spring ISD spokeswoman Karen Garrison said the district, one-third the size of Northside, hasn't had any parent backlash.

In Tuesday's board debate, trustee M'Lissa M. Chumbley said she worried that parents might feel the technology violated their children's privacy rights. She didn't want administrators tracking teachers' every move if they end up outfitted with the tags, she added.

“I think this is overstepping our bounds and is inappropriate,” Chumbley said. “I'm honestly uncomfortable about this.”

Northside has to walk a tightrope in selling the idea to parents, some of whom could be turned off by the revenue incentive, said Kenneth Trump, president of National School Safety and Security Services, a Cleveland-based consulting firm.

The American Civil Liberties Union fought the use of the technology in 2005 at a rural elementary school in California and helped get the program canceled, said Kirsten Bokenkamp, an ACLU spokeswoman in Texas. She said concerns about the tags include privacy and the risks of identity theft or kidnapping if somebody hacks into the system.

Texas Education Agency spokeswoman DeEtta Culbertson said no state law or policy regulates the use of such devices and the decision is up to local districts.

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http://www.infowars.com/texas-students-revolt-against-mandatory-rfid-tracking-chips/

derf
08-30-2012, 03:45 PM
"here buddy that is going to class, hold my RFID card while I go hang out behind the bleachers"

OneSickPsycho
08-30-2012, 04:14 PM
"here buddy that is going to class, hold my RFID card while I go hang out behind the bleachers"

Yep, a bunch of nerds walking around with pockets full of them, while everyone else fucks off... To me, it just allows teachers the option to not take roll...

And this is very disturbing:

Veronica Valdorrinos said she would be OK if the school tracks her daughter, a senior at Jay, as she always fears for her safety. Ricardo and Juanita Roman, who have two daughters there, said they didn't like that Jay was targeted

Trip
08-30-2012, 04:32 PM
Microwave it for a few seconds, done...

Same thing you do to the new passports.

derf
08-30-2012, 04:41 PM
Microwave it for a few seconds, done...

Same thing you do to the new passports.

Yeh no shit

Captain Morgan
08-30-2012, 04:47 PM
Microwave it for a few seconds, done...

Same thing you do to the new passports.

How new are these passports that have the RFID in them? Doubt mine his it, but want to be sure.

Trip
08-30-2012, 04:51 PM
How new are these passports that have the RFID in them? Doubt mine his it, but want to be sure.

somewhere around 2006

http://www.spychips.com/blog/2006/05/how_to_spot_an_rfid_passport.html

fatbuckRTO
08-30-2012, 05:10 PM
“I would hope teachers can help motivate students to be in their seats instead of the district having to do this,” said Margaret Luna, whose eighth-grade granddaughter at Jones will go to Jay next year. “But I guess this is what happens when you don't have enough money.”

Dear parent,

YOU MOTIVATE YOUR SORRY-ASS KIDS. Otherwise, they get chipped like dogs.

Sincerely,
fatbuckRTO

Dave
08-30-2012, 06:28 PM
so we are gonna blow an additional half million dollars of taxpayer money just to get a hold of all the taxpayer money they were supposed to get in the first place? I hate this fucking country

EpyonXero
08-30-2012, 08:19 PM
I dont understand Texas.

Homeslice
08-30-2012, 08:37 PM
Microwave it for a few seconds, done...

Same thing you do to the new passports.

Actually a sharp blow is good enough.

And I could see doing that for the school card, but not for a passport. How often are you going to take your passport with you, unless you're (duh) travelling?

Trip
08-31-2012, 07:30 AM
And I could see doing that for the school card, but not for a passport. How often are you going to take your passport with you, unless you're (duh) travelling?

The problem is when you are traveling. People got wise and scan for the RFID chip in our passports to identify foreigners in their country they can rob.

derf
08-31-2012, 09:47 AM
The problem is when you are traveling. People got wise and scan for the RFID chip in our passports to identify foreigners in their country they can rob.

Or just walk through the international lounge at the airport and steal the information of everybody that has enough money to travel internationally

Homeslice
08-31-2012, 11:51 AM
If you keep it in a metal sleeve/cardholder, they won't be able to

Particle Man
08-31-2012, 01:00 PM
Dear parent,

YOU MOTIVATE YOUR SORRY-ASS KIDS. Otherwise, they get chipped like dogs.

Sincerely,
fatbuckRTO

Seriously. It still pisses me off that the teacher is supposed to be a surrogate parent and/or babysitter these days.

It's school, not freaking daycare.

Trip
08-31-2012, 09:41 PM
If you keep it in a metal sleeve/cardholder, they won't be able to

much cheaper to just microwave it and never have to worry again

derf
08-31-2012, 10:22 PM
much cheaper to just microwave it and never have to worry again

Yup, takes all of 5 seconds including the time to program the microwave

Gas Man
09-02-2012, 01:11 PM
Is there a harm in zapping the passport?

What's the advantage?

derf
09-02-2012, 02:19 PM
Is there a harm in zapping the passport?

It takes an extra minute to get through customs when travelling internationally because they have to manually type in or scan your passport instead of reading the rfid chip


What's the advantage?

Some dude with a scanner cant read it and get all your personal information

azoomm
09-03-2012, 01:46 AM
If you keep it in a metal sleeve/cardholder, they won't be able to
I have a few of these. If just because my husband and I have IDs that get taken and reissued when they don't scan.

Gas Man
09-03-2012, 09:04 AM
OK Derf... and did you nix all of you and your families?

derf
09-03-2012, 11:56 AM
OK Derf... and did you nix all of you and your families?

No not at all, I'm not a paranoid shit who is scared of my own shadow

Smittie61984
09-03-2012, 12:41 PM
If you send your kids to a government school then you deserve this.

Didn't know about the passport chip. It'll be getting zapped very soon.

Gas Man
09-03-2012, 10:45 PM
I was talking to a buddy of mine... he has this same chip in his "adhanced drivers license" here in Michigan. The state govt provides you a sleeve that shields it. Yet he doesn't even use that. So he really didn't care about it in his passport that was just sitting in a drawer in his kitchen of all places.

Rangerscott
09-03-2012, 11:50 PM
If you send your kids to a government school then you deserve this.

Didn't know about the passport chip. It'll be getting zapped very soon.

Where are all these privates schools that can support these millions of kids going to government schools?

Smittie61984
09-04-2012, 04:05 AM
Where are all these privates schools that can support these millions of kids going to government schools?

That's like soviet leaders saying "where are these private companies that can give food to the millions of soviet citizens out there that are currently getting food from the government?".

If government schools suddenly disappeared tommorow, there would be parents willing to sell their expensive homes, cars, boats, and MOTORCYCLES to get their kids back into school. And then there are going to be people willing to educate these kids for money.

The problem is that parents aren't willing to give up their cozy and fun lifestyle in order to give their kids a private education. Instead they are satisfied with what the government is providing their kids becuase it does an okay job but they still get to take that trip to Europe every year.

Papa_Complex
09-05-2012, 07:22 AM
Actually a sharp blow is good enough.

And I could see doing that for the school card, but not for a passport. How often are you going to take your passport with you, unless you're (duh) travelling?

Around here if you either microwave them or whack them with a hammer, then you aren't getting into any buildings or labs. Been using them here for something like 10 years.