If all states secede... then what?

[OneSickPsycho]

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/14/white-house-secede-petitions-reach-660000-signatures-50-state-participation/

[askmrjesus]

Oy Vey.

First off, if you want to secede, you don't ask the White House for permission.

Second- Have any of these idiots actually considered what a succession would entail?

OK Texas, ( I'm picking on Texas because they keep talking about this) here's the deal:

Step One: All Federal financial support ends now. Goodbye SS, Medicare, Highway funding, corporate subsidies (including agriculture) and everything else.

Step Two: No more FBI, Disaster relief, or Coast Guard. Fuck you, buy your own boats.

Step Three: Immediate closure of all US Military bases. All troops will be redeployed to AMERICA.

Step Four: The immediate termination of all Federal land grants and Oil Leases. Feel free to drill all you want on private property.

I could go on, but at this point Texas would be entirely fucked anyway.

JC

[OneSickPsycho]

It will be interesting to see if the WH even addresses it... or the pot one... which BTW, has almost 2x as many e-signatures that is needed for them to 'review' it...

[fatbuckRTO]

Texas is net positive in simple terms of IRS revenue vs. federal funding, but AMJ is right in that those numbers don't include disaster relief, FBI and military support, etc. No idea where it stands on federal land acreage. That said, even though technically Texas and some other states like California could probably stand on their own, they would be nowhere near as successful as they are now. And how long before they become just another country waiting for a foreign aid check from the US?

States like Louisiana would be straight boned, right out of the gate. Louisiana is in the hole to the federal government by about $10 billion a year.

It's easy to click on an internet petition. Actually going it alone, different matter. Wonder how many of these arm-chair secessionists would still be lining up for independence if the president actually came back and said "Go for it." Wonder how many are currently drawing social security...

[fasternyou929]

I take these as seriously and give them as much thought as I've taken any online petition.

No doubt these are signed by the same people that made the "Forward this message and get $1 Zillion for each recipient, guaranteed by Bill Gates!" e-mail chains a smashing success.

[askmrjesus]

If we wanted to be dicks about it, (and why wouldn't we?) we (The Feds) could close all road and rail lines in and out of Texas, and restrict any and all trade with them. We could also impose a travel ban.

I would give them 6 months tops, before they came crawling back.

JC

[Dave]

I dunno, with careful manipulation of business taxes even the most resource barren state could make a solid go of it.

[askmrjesus]

I take these as seriously and give them as much though as I've taken any online petition.

No doubt these are signed by the same people that made the "Forward this message and get $1 Zillion for each recipient, guaranteed by Bill Gates!" e-mail chains a smashing success.

That's a given. :lol:

Not too hard to find at least 25,000 crack pots in any of the 50 states.

JC

[pauldun170]

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/90000-texans-want-to-secede-trolls-immediately-mess-with-texas/

[fatbuckRTO]

If you actually look at the petitions on the White House website, about half of the signatures for each state are from people who don't even live in that state.

The petition for New York to secede was created by some guy in North Dakota.

The best part is, some of my facebook friends are taking the petitions seriously.

[CasterTroy]

Just to play devils advocate (sorry....but he fell first AMJ!)


OK Texas

Step One: All Federal financial support ends now. Goodbye SS, Medicare, Highway funding, corporate subsidies (including agriculture) and everything else.

That's fine, what's paid for STAYS and is maintained by the independent sovereign "state" of TX. Since Texans paid the federal taxes they are entitled to the roads as well as the equipment IN Texas used to maintain them. They will however have to pay TEXANS who want to be there to maintain them with the NEW Texas taxes

Step Two: No more FBI, Disaster relief, or Coast Guard. Fuck you, buy your own boats.

Not quite...as said above, what's PAID for by Texans in federal taxes has paid for the boats. However, from this point forward Texas would be required to MAN the boats, and maintain them, however.... Texans paid taxes to HAVE the boats. The FBI can GTFO and STAY out

Step Three: Immediate closure of all US Military bases. All troops will be redeployed to AMERICA.

As stated in both previous statements. The TROOPS need to GTFO of Texas, but the BASE and all of the equipment/weapons were purchased with money TEXANS paid, so it shall remain in Texas

Step Four: The immediate termination of all Federal land grants and Oil Leases. Feel free to drill all you want on private property.

Nothing goes in OR OUT of Texas...Agreed!

I could go on, but at this point Texas would be entirely fucked anyway.

OR they could end up just fine on their own and have more than Mexicans swarming over their walls.

JC

[Homeslice]

As stated in both previous statements. The TROOPS need to GTFO of Texas, but the BASE and all of the equipment/weapons were purchased with money TEXANS paid, so it shall remain in Texas
Correction, Texas bases were paid for by ALL Americans, not just Texans.

And Texas taxpayers paid for ALL bases, not just the ones in Texas.

The only way your proposal would be fair, is if the ratio of military firepower & capabilities per person was identical in each state. But it isn't. Some states like Illinois or New York have a ton of people, but low military capabilities.

Under your proposal, states with aircraft carriers and nuclear weapons depots would get to keep them. Ain't gonna happen.

[CasterTroy]

Under your proposal, states with aircraft carriers and nuclear weapons depots would get to keep them. Ain't gonna happen.



OK, Nebraska and Arizona can have the carriers, and Tennessee can have the destroyers

Sheesh...such a whiner!

[pauldun170]

So in Texas's case, if they were to go all sovereign I'm going to assume it will be treated as a hostile act. There would be data\equipment that would have to be destroyed if it were deemed classified or of critical.
Texas's contribution to the remaining states of the union would have to be sourced elsewhere (manufacturing, agricultural). Probably kick off major public works programs to compensate the loss of Texas.
Texas isn't exactly listed in NAFTA.

Containment policy on Texas in full effect. Limited Trade. Play the UN cards in full.
Big ole power house Texas is now prohibited from free trade with the largest economy in the world. Eventually the theocratic republic of Texas is back on friendly terms with the United States.

Then Oklahoma seceeds and the great border war begins. Mississippi and Louisiana end up invaded by Georgia following a dispute over water supplies and Texas attempts a land grab.
This carnage results in the discovery of the alien space ship who then unleash Grimlock the transformer who grimlock the fuck out of everyone.

[askmrjesus]

Just to play devils advocate (sorry....but he fell first AMJ!)

Sorry Troy, but "you" don't own shit. American tax dollars from all 50 states paid for that stuff. If you didn't want or need it, you should have stayed in.

As President, I would drop the biggest fucking hammer I could find on you. I'm obligated by oath, to protect my country from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

If I were President, I would have no other choice than to make an example of you. Anything else could result in a second civil war, and the country can't afford that bullshit right now.

As the state seceding, you're in a piss poor position to negotiate terms.

JC

[CasterTroy]

As the state seceding, you're in a piss poor position to negotiate terms.



There would be no negotiation.....what I stated before would be "assumed Texas'" and everything TAKEN right then and there.

Now..of COURSE this would never work....it's preposterous. But I HAD to at least level the playing field somewhat :rockwoot:

[askmrjesus]

Texas's contribution to the remaining states of the union would have to be sourced elsewhere (manufacturing, agricultural). Probably kick off major public works programs to compensate the loss of Texas.

Maybe Texas leaving could fix our economy. You might be on to something Paul.

There would be no negotiation.....what I stated before would be "assumed Texas'" and everything TAKEN right then and there.

Now..of COURSE this would never work....it's preposterous. But I HAD to at least level the playing field somewhat :rockwoot:

A for effort.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to order the carpet bombing of every square inch of Federal highway in Texas. :lol:

JC

[fasternyou929]

OK, Nebraska and Arizona can have the carriers, and Tennessee can have the destroyers

Sheesh...such a whiner!

:lol

Craziest thing I've heard since talk of a shuttle in Houston!

[CasterTroy]

Proper redistribution of resources. I mean that's what's FAIR right?
Hawaii gets all the tanks. I mean ALL of them!

[Papa_Complex]

Oy Vey.

First off, if you want to secede, you don't ask the White House for permission.

Second- Have any of these idiots actually considered what a succession would entail?

OK Texas, ( I'm picking on Texas because they keep talking about this) here's the deal:

Step One: All Federal financial support ends now. Goodbye SS, Medicare, Highway funding, corporate subsidies (including agriculture) and everything else.

Step Two: No more FBI, Disaster relief, or Coast Guard. Fuck you, buy your own boats.

Step Three: Immediate closure of all US Military bases. All troops will be redeployed to AMERICA.

Step Four: The immediate termination of all Federal land grants and Oil Leases. Feel free to drill all you want on private property.

I could go on, but at this point Texas would be entirely fucked anyway.

JC

Actual Step One - Immediate repayment of their portion of the national debt.

[Trip]

Proper redistribution of resources. I mean that's what's FAIR right?
Hawaii gets all the tanks. I mean ALL of them!

No, seceding from the union would be an act of war for all I care. The rest of us would proceed to fuck your world up to regain our federal property.

[fasternyou929]

No, seceding from the union would be an act of war for all I care. The rest of us would proceed to fuck your world up to regain our federal property.

Stop trying to make this a serious topic. For crying out loud, this whole thread is about breaking up the United States via online petitions.

Signed anonymously.

Drafted by persons that don't even live in the state "seeking permission" to secede from the US.

If this were any more laughable, it'd involve a famous musician that lives in his mom's basement.

[Trip]

Stop trying to make this a serious topic. For crying out loud, this whole thread is about breaking up the United States via online petitions.

Signed anonymously.

Drafted by persons that don't even live in the state "seeking permission" to secede from the US.

If this were any more laughable, it'd involve a famous musician that lives in his mom's basement.

No, I want to bomb Houston. Lol

[fasternyou929]

No, I want to bomb Houston. Lol

You and everyone else capable of generating an EEG result.

[askmrjesus]

If this were any more laughable, it'd involve a famous musician that lives in his mom's basement.

:lol:

That's just wrong.

Avatard wasn't famous.

JC

[Dave]

:lol:

That's just wrong.

Avatard wasn't famous.

JC

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[Adeptus_Minor]

While I'm interested in seeing if they get a formal response from the White House, this whole secession petition thing has had me somewhere between facepalm and just shaking my head and sighing.

[CasterTroy]

If this were any more laughable, it'd involve a famous musician that lives in his mom's basement.

:lol

It gets even funnier

Chicago it's own state (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/grant-city-chicago-statehood-rest-illinois-tired-being-treated-second-class-citizens/STtQRzfK)

The whole concept is retarded. Withdraw from something that was established long before your grandparents were born because you don't like the way things are going.

I wonder at what point the Jews decided seceding was a good idea? (pick a century)

How'd that work out for them? Wait...bad example...they run hollywood and the US military :skep:

:lol:


The holocaust didn’t happen, Buzz Aldrin did 9/11 & I wear my mom’s panties

[Cutty72]

Maybe Texas leaving could fix our economy. You might be on to something Paul.

JC

I think ditching CA and all the tree huggers would be better...

Proper redistribution of resources. I mean that's what's FAIR right?
Hawaii gets all the tanks. I mean ALL of them!

Shit, the damn island would sink! :lol:

[Papa_Complex]

I think ditching CA and all the tree huggers would be better...

With the population and income tax generated in California, it's probably a wash. Arkansas on the other hand.......

[OneSickPsycho]

With the population and income tax generated in California, it's probably a wash. Arkansas on the other hand.......

I dunno... aren't they like $40B in debt?

[Papa_Complex]

I dunno... aren't they like $40B in debt?

At the State level? Doesn't really effect the rest of the country that much. They still pay into Federal coffers.

[OneSickPsycho]

At the State level? Doesn't really effect the rest of the country that much. They still pay into Federal coffers.

If they secede though...

[CasterTroy]

If they secede though...

Trip will bomb the mother fuck outta their roads!

[Papa_Complex]

If they secede though...

If they secede then they get their share of the national debt and aren't paying into the Federal pot, but also aren't getting any Federal services.

[Trip]

Trip will bomb the mother fuck outta their roads!

Why would I bomb their roads? I don't go around bombing roads like it something to do. Yeah, I would bomb their roads.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Why would I bomb their roads? I don't go around bombing roads like it something to do. Yeah, I would bomb their roads.

He's Trip James, bitch.

[askmrjesus]

He's Trip James, bitch.

Trip on blow.

That would be something to see. :lol:

JC

[Adeptus_Minor]

Trip on blow.

That would be something to see. :lol:


Cocaine's a helluva drug :lol:

[tommymac]

texas seceeding would solve the illegal immigration problem. they woul dhave shoot to kill orders an dnot be handcuffed the way US border patrols are :lol:

[EpyonXero]

Please let Alabama go, those people are morons.

[azoomm]

Oh, you want your weapons back? Sounds familiar...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gonzales

:lol

I love online petitions. It's how the lazy think they are "involved."

[CasterTroy]

Please let shitville go, those people are morons.

Hello Pot, this is kettle.....you're where old Jewish new yorkers go to die.

[shmike]

Hello Pot, this is kettle.....you're where old Jewish new yorkers go to die.

LOL.

He's in the Panhandle.

If they've got any Jews there, they're from shitville.

Edit: LOL on the A l a b a m a coding. Now Epyon's post makes more sense. :lol:

[Homeslice]

wtf is shitville?

A group from El Paso, too, wants no part of an independent Texas. “Allow the city of El Paso to secede from the state of Texas,” their petition reads. “El Paso is tired of being a second class city within Texas.”
Bright idea.

The reason your city is second-class is because of its piss-poor economy & demographics.

Secede from Texas, and let's see how long you survive without state support.

Hope you like Mexico.

[fasternyou929]

wtf is shitville?


Bright idea.

The reason your city is second-class is because of its piss-poor economy & demographics.

Secede from Texas, and let's see how long you survive without state support.

Hope you like Mexico.

I thought the post above yours made it clear, no?

If you type out the full name of 'bama state, it's automatically changed to shitville. I think Trip is trying to suppress some bad memories and doesn't want to see the state's name on his board. :lol

[Papa_Complex]

I thought the post above yours made it clear, no?

If you type out the full name of 'bama state, it's automatically changed to shitville. I think Trip is trying to suppress some bad memories and doesn't want to see the state's name on his board. :lol

Makes it rather tough to discuss my occasional visits to my favourite State :lol:

[Homeslice]

shitville = :zowned:

[EpyonXero]

LOL.

He's in the Panhandle.

If they've got any Jews there, they're from shitville.

Edit: LOL on the A l a b a m a coding. Now Epyon's post makes more sense. :lol:

lol

I live in shitville's playground now. Where there is never a green flag day at the beach because it will just encourage more drunk shitvillens to drown themselves.

EDIT: Nice job Trip :lol:

[CasterTroy]

I thought the post above yours made it clear, no?

If you type out the full name of 'bama state, it's automatically changed to shitville. I think Trip is trying to suppress some bad memories and doesn't want to see the state's name on his board. :lol

:lol: :lol

[azoomm]

wtf is shitville?


Bright idea.

The reason your city is second-class is because of its piss-poor economy & demographics.

Secede from Texas, and let's see how long you survive without state support.

Hope you like Mexico.

Um, El Paso IS Mexico. Seriously.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Um, El Paso IS Mexico. Seriously.

She's not wrong..

[Trip]

Lol, I forgot about the Bama coding

[Papa_Complex]

Lol, I forgot about the Bama coding

Why do you think I keep referring to it as 'Bama? :lol:

[Trip]

Why do you think I keep referring to it as 'Bama? :lol:

Get LSU to beat them every year and I'll change it back. :lol:

[Papa_Complex]

Get LSU to beat them every year and I'll change it back. :lol:

ROLL TIDE!!! :p

[Trip]

ROLL TIDE!!! :p

You need to spell it like this to be one of them

Rawwwwwhllll Taahda!!!!

[Papa_Complex]

You need to spell it like this to be one of them

Rawwwwwhllll Taahda!!!!

Didn't say that I wanted to be one of them ;)