Windows 8

[Flexin]

Who has a computer with Windows 8 and what do you think of it?

James

[pauldun170]

I have it running.
Its a wee bit annoying transitioning between programs and its seems stupid the way they have it set-up with the separate desktop environments.
However, like any major shift you get use to it after awhile.
My overall recommendation is if you are buying a new PC\Laptop, just go with Windows 8 as its the current\latest OS. Windows 7 is now the past.
If you are thinking about doing an OS upgrade from windows 7 to windows 8, not really worth it.

I have it running in vm's.

I'll try and toss in more details later...taking cvare of holiday stuff right now and people are yelling at me to get decorations out of the attic and crap

[Homeslice]

Only time I'd buy 8 is with a tablet. For a PC/laptop, no way, I would rather buy old stock with 7 on it.

[Flexin]

It would be for a new computer. My desktop is running XP, my laptop is running Vista and I have a BlackBerry Playbook.

A newer computer would make my life easier with some of the things I am doing. I will just need to see if I can afford to get one now and what specs.

If I buy something I don't want to go crazy. My laptop was around $1000. The desktop was about the same. My desktop before that was around $2400. Under $1000 would be a nicer range without a monitor.

I'm thinking of an i7 processor. Undecided on the amount of ram I want. What are your feelings on that?

James

[pauldun170]

It would be for a new computer. My desktop is running XP, my laptop is running Vista and I have a BlackBerry Playbook.

A newer computer would make my life easier with some of the things I am doing. I will just need to see if I can afford to get one now and what specs.

If I buy something I don't want to go crazy. My laptop was around $1000. The desktop was about the same. My desktop before that was around $2400. Under $1000 would be a nicer range without a monitor.

I'm thinking of an i7 processor. Undecided on the amount of ram I want. What are your feelings on that?

James

Bang for buck is definitely outstanding nowadays and you don't have to spend a lot to get a really nice performing PC or laptop. If you build it your self you could put something really nice together especially since you can get Windows 8 for cheap.

You looking at OEM or homebuilt?
Desktop or Laptop?

If you are looking at laptops, it may be worth waiting until next summer since intel is going to be releasing a major architecture update that should really be a huge jump in battery\media\processor performance.

4gb is fine but 8gb is the way to go. 8GB ram is so cheap nowadays I can only recommend 4gb if budget is tight.
i5 are probably the best choice for most folks who want a strong CPU. i7's are best if you have specific things that need the extra threads.
For most people, the i7 is not worth the extra money.

What exactly are you doing now with your computer? How many peripherals will you have hooked up?

How old is the current laptop and desktop?

[Flexin]

Bang for buck is definitely outstanding nowadays and you don't have to spend a lot to get a really nice performing PC or laptop. If you build it your self you could put something really nice together especially since you can get Windows 8 for cheap.

You looking at OEM or homebuilt?
Desktop or Laptop?

If you are looking at laptops, it may be worth waiting until next summer since intel is going to be releasing a major architecture update that should really be a huge jump in battery\media\processor performance.

4gb is fine but 8gb is the way to go. 8GB ram is so cheap nowadays I can only recommend 4gb if budget is tight.
i5 are probably the best choice for most folks who want a strong CPU. i7's are best if you have specific things that need the extra threads.
For most people, the i7 is not worth the extra money.

What exactly are you doing now with your computer? How many peripherals will you have hooked up?

How old is the current laptop and desktop?

Both computers are about 7 year old or so. Bought the desktop just before starting the detail shop and the laptop was around the time I started the used car business.

I want to replace the desktop first. The kids use the laptop. I use the desktop more. I'm kinds looking at OEM. Not sure yet.

What do I do with it? Forums and Porn...why? Is there anything else on the web? I spend most of my time on forums and working on my site. Because of my site and kids I find I'm looking for pictures a lot on my external. That can be a pain a times but I find things get bogged down when I try to reorganize the external. I also want to play around with making shot videos. I wouldn't call myself a power user but I like to have the power there if needed.

Another thing that has be looking at a i7 over an i5 is the length of time I seem to keep a computer. The extra power is nice 5+ years down the road.

As far as ram goes I won't be going lower then 8 gb but I'm wondering if I should go higher.

James

[derf]

some reviewers are already saying that 8 will go the way of vita if current projections are going to stay the way they are

[Papa_Complex]

Messed with it a bit, a while back before the release. Hated it. The design is obviously biased toward touchscreen devices like tablets and it tends to get in my way.

[pauldun170]

Both computers are about 7 year old or so. Bought the desktop just before starting the detail shop and the laptop was around the time I started the used car business.

I want to replace the desktop first. The kids use the laptop. I use the desktop more. I'm kinds looking at OEM. Not sure yet.

What do I do with it? Forums and Porn...why? Is there anything else on the web? I spend most of my time on forums and working on my site. Because of my site and kids I find I'm looking for pictures a lot on my external. That can be a pain a times but I find things get bogged down when I try to reorganize the external. I also want to play around with making shot videos. I wouldn't call myself a power user but I like to have the power there if needed.

Another thing that has be looking at a i7 over an i5 is the length of time I seem to keep a computer. The extra power is nice 5+ years down the road.

As far as ram goes I won't be going lower then 8 gb but I'm wondering if I should go higher.

James



Keep in mind that there isn't exactly a lot of "extra power" between an i5 and an i7. An i7 is basically an i5 with hyperthreading and in some case a slight speed advantage. Only in applications that take advantage of the extra threads will you see a significant advantage.

What that really means is that an i7 is an excellent choice over the long run but if it starts messing with your budget to do so you will not lose much by going to an i5 unless you are using applications that really need the capability offered by the i7.

Desktop
Having said that, looking at what you actually do with your computer I would recommend an i3-3xxx with 8gb RAM, a big ole monitor and picking up an SSD.
Matter of fact I would say it should be mandatory you get an SSD, preferably a 256gb or greater Samsung 830, Samsung 840, Plextor M5 or Crucial M4.

If you are still within your budget, then bump up to an i5. For what you are doing, an SSD is more beneficial to you tan having an i7 over an i5.

Laptop - Don't buy a laptop this year. Wait until next summer. Intel will be releasing a MAJOR architecture update and it is supposed to be an unicorn shitting, penis extending ball of titty machine when it comes to laptops.
Insane battery life, a huge leap in performance free cookies whenever you open the laptop cover. That sort of thing.

If you really need a laptop, there are so many options out there between intel based and amd based, various manufacturers and whatever support plans they offer...I'm not sure where to start :lol

[LeeNetworX]

Been using it for some time now, since beta stage. For tablets and convertible/touch-screen laptops, it's great. For non-touch PC devices, it's a pointless upgrade from 7 and is likely to only cause more frustration then provide any usability improvement.

I'll continue using 7 on all of my devices, VMs, etc. except for the Surface I'll be getting and my touchscreen laptop at the office. Still contemplating switching to Win8 on my home desktop touch-screen.

[Porkchop]

Its ok.

The tiles are nice for quick items like email and such. The browser that loads from the tiles screen is fucking useless. Its dumbed down so much for tablet useage that its not even worth using. I always use the full capability browser off the desktop now...

My computers at work use the ALT/TAB function, so using that to transition from screen to screen was like second nature. What does suck is that the "command bar" that slides out from the right side often slides out when you don't want it to, and then you can never get it out when you do want it. It pisses me off to no end.

Has anyone found a better way to kill programs or screens running in the background other than putting your mouse in the top left corner, waiting for the mini preview screen to pop up, and then right clicking it to close it???

It is currently about $25 cheaper than Windows 7 at Microcenter. That's why i went with it. And i heard everything was backwards compatible. Nope. 2 of my games in steam no longer run.

[Bluestreak]

Been using it for some time now, since beta stage. For tablets and convertible/touch-screen laptops, it's great. For non-touch PC devices, it's a pointless upgrade from 7 and is likely to only cause more frustration then provide any usability improvement.

I'll continue using 7 on all of my devices, VMs, etc. except for the Surface I'll be getting and my touchscreen laptop at the office. Still contemplating switching to Win8 on my home desktop touch-screen.

This

[pauldun170]

Right now, my home network is all nicely setup with Windows 7 homegroup of 3 PC's and a laptop.
Windows 8 plugs right in to the existing homegroup and Skydrive integration is nice. Sharing libraries and cloud crap integration looks like it should be decent but I need to take care of an issue with adding remote shares into my libraries. Stupid index issue that I experienced once in win7 but cant remember what I did to deal with it.
Integration with facebook\google\microsoft crap is ok. Still need to play around with calendars but photos is nicely done. However, there it seems to be connecting to folders on other PC's that I did not explicitly allow (edit- looks like a skydrive thing). I don't like that even if it is in the confines of a local homegroup.

Metro UI just doesn't work well at all for non touch screen users.
Another note on touch screen and the big push for it...
Fuck off.
I have a nice 24 inch monitor. Why the hell would anyone think sitting at a desk and constantly reaching up (ergonomic issues right there) to leave big greasy finger prints on a touchscreen would be great idea?

Oh..I know...we are supposed to throw out all of our office furniture and replace them with "surfaces" so this way we can crane our heads down while swiping away on a table.

So far the maximum amount of windows I can have open is 2 in metro and its fairly limited. I couldn't use metro at work. I definitely do not like the way its parks programs in memory.

I've been doing a lot poking around but I have yet to seriously try and configure win8 appropriately for my use at home. I might buy a one or two licenses before the deal they have on it is up but I do not see myself upgrading any of my PC's just yet to this.

For now I'm sticking with eval copies in VMs.

[Flexin]

What is Metro? I keep hearing about it but having looked into it yet.

James

[pauldun170]

What is Metro? I keep hearing about it but having looked into it yet.

James

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYRTOTeD1rM

[Rangerscott]

Hawaii fiveo did a plug on W8 on tonights episode.

[LeeNetworX]

What is Metro? I keep hearing about it but having looked into it yet.

James

Metro is the name for the new 'tiles' UI and API in Windows 8.

[tallywacker]

I don't understand the design decision to make the start menu take over the entire screen.

[Papa_Complex]

I don't understand the design decision to make the start menu take over the entire screen.

As has been said, it's all about tablet/touchscreen. Then it makes sense.

[tallywacker]

As has been said, it's all about tablet/touchscreen. Then it makes sense.

I've watched webinars from the Win 8 dev team and they just seem to hate the old start menu with a passion.

[Papa_Complex]

I've watched webinars from the Win 8 dev team and they just seem to hate the old start menu with a passion.

Most of the users I deal with aren't fond of it either, because they never seem to look into it for their programmes. "But Groupwise isn't installed on my system!" "Ummmm, yes it is. Click the start button, then click on All Programs."

Pinning programmes to the Taskbar was a big improvement, for those users, because they would never find anything if it wasn't a shortcut on the desktop or in the old Quick Launch. The tiles thing is just visually overwhelming.

[pauldun170]

Most of the users I deal with aren't fond of it either, because they never seem to look into it for their programmes. "But Groupwise isn't installed on my system!" "Ummmm, yes it is. Click the start button, then click on All Programs."

Pinning programmes to the Taskbar was a big improvement, for those users, because they would never find anything if it wasn't a shortcut on the desktop or in the old Quick Launch. The tiles thing is just visually overwhelming.

Just installed iTunes
Step 1. Run installer
Step 2. Click finish
Step 3. Look at new tile that points to Apple update installer. (um...what about itunes?)
Step 4. Type itunes to pull up application I just fucking installed
Step 5. Switch to desktop mode to see if there are any icons lying around
Step 6. Switch back to metro to see if maybe I overlooked the tile
Step 7. Make mental note to not install a lot of stuff on windows 8 because having to scroll through all these fucking tiles is going to be annoying
Step 8. Look over at my lovely wallpaper on my windows 7 desktop. Bye bye...going to be staring at fucking tiles from now on.
Step 9. Switch back to desktop and estimate how many icons I'm going to be pinning to that taskbar
Step 10. Vaguely recall why the hell I'm poking around...oh yeah that fucking itunes I just installed.
Step 11. Reminisce about in every other OS I can just go to where the logical grouping of all installed apps are and just launch it from there.
Step 12. Go to windows 7 desktop and type itunes in search bar..
Step 13. Watch itunes launch on windows 7
Step 14. go back to windows 8 and say fuck this...proceed to multistep process to shut down.
Step 15. yank plug out of wall and...kick cat

[pauldun170]

Step gajillion: Double click apple update tile.
Step gajillion (+) 1 : Notice Itunes box is unchecked.
Step gajillion +2: Curse apple

[tallywacker]

Just installed iTunes
Step 1. Run installer
Step 2. Click finish
Step 3. Look at new tile that points to Apple update installer. (um...what about itunes?)
Step 4. Type itunes to pull up application I just fucking installed
Step 5. Switch to desktop mode to see if there are any icons lying around
Step 6. Switch back to metro to see if maybe I overlooked the tile
Step 7. Make mental note to not install a lot of stuff on windows 8 because having to scroll through all these fucking tiles is going to be annoying
Step 8. Look over at my lovely wallpaper on my windows 7 desktop. Bye bye...going to be staring at fucking tiles from now on.
Step 9. Switch back to desktop and estimate how many icons I'm going to be pinning to that taskbar
Step 10. Vaguely recall why the hell I'm poking around...oh yeah that fucking itunes I just installed.
Step 11. Reminisce about in every other OS I can just go to where the logical grouping of all installed apps are and just launch it from there.
Step 12. Go to windows 7 desktop and type itunes in search bar..
Step 13. Watch itunes launch on windows 7
Step 14. go back to windows 8 and say fuck this...proceed to multistep process to shut down.
Step 15. yank plug out of wall and...kick cat

or

Push windows button and type itunes and press enter. mission complete

[Homeslice]

I don't understand the design decision to make the start menu take over the entire screen.
Lots of people are too stupid to comprehend groups and categories of apps. So they want an icon for each app, instead of a menu.

I have a Win 8 phone (Nokia 920), and I like how the tiles update whenever I get a new message (email, text, or VM). And there are other tiles I've installed that show stock market updates, sports scores, and so on. This allows you to see if anything has changed, without having to actually open the app.

But that's the only good thing about Win 8, imo. If you have a ton of apps and want to find them quickly, the old Start menu technique worked better.

[Papa_Complex]

Lots of people are too stupid to comprehend groups and categories of apps. They need an icon for each app in order to find it.

Those are the people who use maybe three applications and don't need to wade through the Start Menu.

[pauldun170]

Those are the people who use maybe three applications and don't need to wade through the Start Menu.

I after careful thought, that mirrors the usage on my PC at home.
I open four things.

Outlook
Steam
Firefox
VMware player.

What I do in the VMware instances is another matter.

[Papa_Complex]

I after careful thought, that mirrors the usage on my PC at home.
I open four things.

Outlook
Steam
Firefox
VMware player.

What I do in the VMware instances is another matter.

I'm a little heavier.

Firefox (12 tabs by default)
Windows Live Mail
Adobe Premiere Elements
Paint Shop Pro X4
Olympus Viewer
Blurb Booksmart (not always, but often enough to count)
SSH Secure File Transfer
Windows Media Player
VLC Player
Occasionally Internet Explorer 9

[tallywacker]

Lots of people are too stupid to comprehend groups and categories of apps. So they want an icon for each app, instead of a menu.

I have a Win 8 phone (Nokia 920), and I like how the tiles update whenever I get a new message (email, text, or VM). And there are other tiles I've installed that show stock market updates, sports scores, and so on. This allows you to see if anything has changed, without having to actually open the app.

But that's the only good thing about Win 8, imo. If you have a ton of apps and want to find them quickly, the old Start menu technique worked better.

Oh I know too well. My users require that shortcuts be on the desktop or else they can't work

[Papa_Complex]

Oh I know too well. My users require that shortcuts be on the desktop or else they can't work

Well obviously if the shortcut isn't on the desktop, it means that the programme isn't installed.

[Homeslice]

You hosers still say program instead of app? lol

[njchopper87]

Well obviously if the shortcut isn't on the desktop, it means that the programme isn't installed.

And if those shortcuts were to move around or snap back into place.. :hitfan:

[Papa_Complex]

You hosers still say program instead of app? lol

No, we say programme. English motherfucker. Do you speak it?

And if those shortcuts were to move around or snap back into place.. :hitfan:

If the shortcut isn't where you thought it was yesterday, then obviously the programme got uninstalled somehow. Yes, I've had calls like that.

[Homeslice]

No, we say programme. English motherfucker. Do you speak it?


The motherland's English is ghey, we improved upon it. PROGRAM.

[Papa_Complex]

The motherland's English is ghey, we improved upon it. PROGRAM.

La-zee.

[Homeslice]

La-zee.

How does the ME at the end of PROGRAMME help you pronounce it? It's still going to sound the same as PROGRAM, so just drop 2 letters and save some time, lol.

[Papa_Complex]

How does the ME at the end of PROGRAMME help you pronounce it? It's still going to sound the same as PROGRAM, so just drop 2 letters and save some time, lol.

It lets you know to carry the "m".

[LeeNetworX]

Good article on the usability of Win 8.

http://www.nngroup.com/articles/windows-8-disappointing-usability/

My favorite quote from the article:

As mentioned in the introduction, Windows 8 encompasses two UI styles within one product. Windows 8 on mobile devices and tablets is akin to Dr. Jekyll: a tortured soul hoping for redemption. On a regular PC, Windows 8 is Mr. Hyde: a monster that terrorizes poor office workers and strangles their productivity.

I strongly agree with the second metaphor, but IMO on a tablet, Win8 isn’t so bad. One thing that does drive me nuts, though, is how difficult and non-intuitive it is to try to organize tiles and/or remove them. I still struggle with that even now.

[pauldun170]

The motherland's English is ghey, we improved upon it. PROGRAM.

Simplify and lighten.

[Homeslice]

Good article on the usability of Win 8.

http://www.nngroup.com/articles/windows-8-disappointing-usability/

My favorite quote from the article:

As mentioned in the introduction, Windows 8 encompasses two UI styles within one product. Windows 8 on mobile devices and tablets is akin to Dr. Jekyll: a tortured soul hoping for redemption. On a regular PC, Windows 8 is Mr. Hyde: a monster that terrorizes poor office workers and strangles their productivity.

I strongly agree with the second metaphor, but IMO on a tablet, Win8 isn’t so bad. One thing that does drive me nuts, though, is how difficult and non-intuitive it is to try to organize tiles and/or remove them. I still struggle with that even now.

On Windows Phone you simply press and hold, and it allows you to resize, delete, or move them.

[EpyonXero]

I havent tried Windows 8 yet but Im interested to check out the Windows 8 Pro tablets when they come out.

[Porkchop]

Had it for 2 months now... HAAAAAATE it with a passion. I'm going back to Windows 7.

[Homeslice]

I havent tried Windows 8 yet but Im interested to check out the Windows 8 Pro tablets when they come out.

What's supposed to be the difference?

[njchopper87]

Had a choice of Windows 7 for $140 or Windows 8 for half price.. ya.. I went with 7.

[EpyonXero]

What's supposed to be the difference?

The tablets that are out now use Windows 8 RT which is the mobile version of the software, the Windows 8 Pro tablets use the full OS and have full power ultrabook components.

[Flexin]

I bought a new system. I have had it less then a week so far. Windows 8 isn't so bad. I think people don't like change. I still need to get use to it. Its kinda like someone reorganizing your dresser. Its pretty much all there, you just can find any of it.

I bought a Dell XPS 8500, i7 3770, 12 gb or ram. So far it is pretty good.

I also bought a Dell touch pad because everyone seems to complain that it is designed for a touch screen and it makes it hard to use. It seemed cool for a second but I have been using a mouse for the most part without an issue. For the pad the two finger scroll was messing up but I think I just figured out that you have to spread your fingers for it to read it correctly. The three finger swipe is pretty cool. Three fingers down the pad brings you back to the start area with all the tiles. Swipe again and your back to the browser.

James

[Porkchop]

I have gotten used to it. Not as much "hate" as before, but still some dislike. Still some backwards compatible problems with games which sucks. Will probably move 8 with laptop HD onto my broken laptop and install 7 onto my new 2TB HD that I just put in the desktop.

[Cutty72]

I'm looking for a windows 7 machine for my parents. They aren't that tech savy and really don't like change. They have XP now, so it would be the easiest transition. Sadly, there are becoming fewer and fewer 7 machines available.
If anyone has a good place to pick up a new laptop, 15+ in screen, not a dell, for around $500 or less, let me know.

[Papa_Complex]

Microsoft finally says, "Oops!"

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/330c8b8e-b66b-11e2-93ba-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2SfEQsR4K

[LeeNetworX]

Yep. Windows Blue (next release due later this year) is supposedly going to have a way to turn off the tiles and use the OS like a traditional Windows desktop when desired by the user.

I personally hate Windows 8 on PCs but think it's great on tablets and phones. My Surface is really slick and my Nokia Lumia 920 as well. I'm going to try using it as my daily phone for a while to see how I like it. Right now I have to get used to what I feel is odd button placement on the Lumia and also there's a few apps Windows doesn't have which would make my life a little less convenient. I'm hoping they will find their way to Windows 8 phone OS soon.

[Homeslice]

Yep. Windows Blue (next release due later this year) is supposedly going to have a way to turn off the tiles and use the OS like a traditional Windows desktop when desired by the user.

I personally hate Windows 8 on PCs but think it's great on tablets and phones. My Surface is really slick and my Nokia Lumia 920 as well. I'm going to try using it as my daily phone for a while to see how I like it. Right now I have to get used to what I feel is odd button placement on the Lumia and also there's a few apps Windows doesn't have which would make my life a little less convenient. I'm hoping they will find their way to Windows 8 phone OS soon.

I have a 920 too........Great camera, great screen, but heavy........the new 928 on Verizon is supposed to be lighter.

Oh and the Bing button is dumb.....wish I could deactivate it.

[LeeNetworX]

I have a 920 too........Great camera, great screen, but heavy........the new 928 on Verizon is supposed to be lighter.

Oh and the Bing button is dumb.....wish I could deactivate it.

What's the Bing button? As for weight, 4.94 oz for my current iPhone 4s, 6.5 oz for the Lumia 920. I can't tell too much difference in my hand and considering the added real estate it seems reasonable.

[EpyonXero]

I bought a small touch screen laptop a few weeks ago with Windows 8. I took me a few days to figure out some things like how to quit a tile app and how to stop some apps like Chrome from going full screen but now its just like Windows 7 without the Start menu, I dont even see the tile interface unless I bring it up on purpose.

[Homeslice]

What's the Bing button? As for weight, 4.94 oz for my current iPhone 4s, 6.5 oz for the Lumia 920. I can't tell too much difference in my hand and considering the added real estate it seems reasonable.

The search button on the bottom.

[fatbuckRTO]

My wife recently got a new laptop with Windows 8 on it. All I can say is "Wow, why does Microsoft hate its customers?" No multitasking? Are you shitting me? Laptops and desktops are not tablets. Why in the hell would you try to treat them as such?

I'm buying a copy of Windows 7. When it comes time to trade up on my computer, if I have to buy Windows 8 it's coming right the fuck off that machine and Windows 7 is going on.

[LeeNetworX]

No multitasking? Are you shitting me?

Win8 still multi-tasks - I can't think of any OS today that doesn't. Maybe I'm not understanding what you are getting at?

[LeeNetworX]

The search button on the bottom.

Oh the button on the glass itself? Why do you think it's dumb? It's the same as swiping all the way left or clicking the home button on the home screen on an iPhone to activate the spotlight search (or whatever it's called).

[fatbuckRTO]

Win8 still multi-tasks - I can't think of any OS today that doesn't. Maybe I'm not understanding what you are getting at?

When my wife opens IE, for instance. It seems to act like a phone app, where you can't just minimize and maximize windows to scroll through active programs. When we were on Skype with her mother trying to plan a cabin rental, we could Skype or we could surf the internet. But we couldn't do both. Maybe I didn't understand what I was seeing.

That said, I know for certain that while proponents of Windows 8 are quick to point out that it has the same functionality as previous Windows programs, you damn sure have to hunt for it. Over and over. Why would you make your customers solve a puzzle just to use functions they've been using for decades?

It's supposed to work interchangeably for tablets and PC's. Great concept. But if the military taught me one thing, it's that modular design ends up costing more in money, time, and effort, in the long run. Just ask the beautiful minds responsible for the Army's ACU's, or the JSF.

[Homeslice]

Oh the button on the glass itself? Why do you think it's dumb?
Because first, I don't like Bing, so it's a wasted button...........And second, it's too easy to accidentally hit while playing games, or even just when you're holding the phone normally. The heel of my hand often grazes it while I'm stretching my right thumb to do something.

[LeeNetworX]

Because first, I don't like Bing, so it's a wasted button...........And second, it's too easy to accidentally hit while playing games, or even just when you're holding the phone normally. The heel of my hand often grazes it while I'm stretching my right thumb to do something.

I've not used mine anywhere near as much as you but in the few weeks I've had it I've not done that accidentally once. Time will tell.

[Homeslice]

It's still the best deal in phones right now. Did you get it on contract or not? Not sure what the unlocked prices are going for, but on contract it was $99 (actually $49 for a few weeks last year), and that's for a phone with 32GB, better resolution than Apple, better camera, better battery, and you can place calls while tethering.

[LeeNetworX]

It's still the best deal in phones right now. Did you get it on contract or not? Not sure what the unlocked prices are going for, but on contract it was $99 (actually $49 for a few weeks last year), and that's for a phone with 32GB, better resolution than Apple, better camera, better battery, and you can place calls while tethering.

I don't buy mobile phones, tablets or computers. :wink: My company bought it for me so it was purchased w/no contract - $450. I got the AT&T version and just plop my SIM in to use it for phone/LTE. I haven't used the phone functionality much but it does seem clearer than the iPhone.

[LeeNetworX]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/address-windows-8-confusion-free-165739696.html

"One leading research firm, International Data Corp., said Windows 8 contributed to a 14 percent decline in worldwide PC sales during the first three months of the year — the biggest year-over-year drop ever."

[LeeNetworX]

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