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the chi
10-20-2008, 01:42 PM
Here's a story from my local area...the comments are rather intriguiging...

This is a HUGE thing that will affect MANY of the locals here.

I know how I feel about this, how do the rest of you feel? Are you seeing similar issues where you are at? And someone weigh in on the collecting unemployment issue, I've never dealt with it so im not sure how it would apply.

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/people_11981___article.html/legendary_employees.html?orderby=TimeStampDescendi ng&showRecommendedOnly=0&oncommentsPage=1#slComments

Legendary Inc. announced Friday that the company will trim individual employee pay by 25 percent in an effort to avoid layoffs.

The move affects several hundred employees.

"We've chosen not to cut back in staff," Legendary CEO Peter Bos said. "We have chosen to keep everybody together. ... There are not that many jobs in this area that people can move to.

"I was pretty proud of our management team for voting to keep people together as a family," Bos added. "It's a lot easier to cut staff underneath you instead of taking a cut yourself. ... These are very difficult times, and all the things we've been hearing are hitting Main Street."

Legendary is a major employer in development, retail and tourism in the area.

The company owns and operates the Emerald Grande resort (which includes HarborWalk Village), Legendary Marine, Regatta Bay Golf and Country Club and Destin Commons shopping center.

Legendary President Hugh Sawyer said "several hundred employees" would be affected by the compensation cut, including salaried and hourly positions.

"Not equal pay, but equal sacrifice," Sawyer said. "That's the moral thing to do."

As for possible fallout in having employees leave, Sawyer remained optimistic.

"Fortunately we have a very loyal employee base," he said. "We don't experience much employee churn and I would hope in this circumstance we would retain substantially all of our employees. Although that doesn't mean to suggest some won't make a personal choice, because that's what people are compelled do."

Economist David Goetsch of Northwest Florida State College didn't see it quite that way.

"Within the company they'll have a tough time dealing with the morale issue," Goetsch said. "At first people will be glad to still have a job, but after the next round of bills comes in, then you'll have the challenge ... because people's morale is tied to their pocketbook.

"And the issue is not how many they lose, it's which ones they lose," he added. "The people you lose are your best people, because they can find another job. There's a humane element in this, but from a business perspective it's a tough one to make work."
Sawyer said the slowed economy has impacted Legendary's businesses.

"All of our business is directly related to consumer issues, which are external," Sawyer added. "We like our portfolio of assets but they are not immune from the downturn in the economy - and it's ‘out of season' here right now."

Preliminary indications from around the region are that tourists still visited the Emerald Coast this year, but they simply did not spend as much.

"I don't think you can take one incident and say it's a bad omen or it's something we look to in the near future," said Shane Moody from the Destin Area Chamber of Commerce. "I think with each company, resources are different, the timing is different, the situations are different.

Goetsch saw it differently.

"Legendary is so widely known and has been such a success story that other businesses that are struggling may try to replicate that model," he said. "This may confirm in the minds of people who weren't sure that the tourist economy isn't doing that well. It will certainly create concern if not create panic."

smileyman
10-20-2008, 01:56 PM
Tourism seems to be up here. Our state being one of the cheapo vacation spots...We really do have a great time when gas is high and plane fares go up:idk: On the other hand our jobs are mainly service industry so we need every tourist dollar we can grab...

the chi
10-20-2008, 02:01 PM
A key point to remember, I dont think the article clarified, down here, on the Emerald Coast, its ALL tourism that supports this economy outside of the military. If your not military or a military dependent, or a tourist or snowbird, you are a RARE creature indeed.

This company also laid off several hundred people right before Christmas of last year...

t-homo
10-20-2008, 03:14 PM
I would guess that a large number of people who would have been laid off will quit trying to find a higher paying job. 25% is a huge number.

the chi
10-20-2008, 03:17 PM
sadly, there are no jobs to be found. Even places like McDonalds and gas stations arent advertising for employees...these people will be in dire straights, but most likely have to suck it up and stay if only to keep a paycheck of some sorts coming in...

marko138
10-20-2008, 03:19 PM
I guess on one side of the coin it's a good move so people don't loose their jobs. But at the same time...can those same people afford to sustain such a pay cut? They may still not be able to pay bills, mortgage, etc with a 25% cut. Thats drastic...and in effect, much like loosing your job.

This economy sucks. Corporate just put a hiring freeze on us. And they've begun laying people off in our Tulsa station. Can't wait to see what happens in two weeks when all the election ad revenue dries up.

jeeps84
10-20-2008, 08:11 PM
Our local paper mill has done this more than once. Most do get mad and quit while others stick it out and get raises when orders start coming in.

OneSickPsycho
10-21-2008, 12:45 AM
Cut my pay by 25%?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkcoobYUu8g

Lamnidae
10-21-2008, 05:42 AM
I guess on one side of the coin it's a good move so people don't loose their jobs. But at the same time...can those same people afford to sustain such a pay cut? They may still not be able to pay bills, mortgage, etc with a 25% cut. Thats drastic...and in effect, much like loosing your job.

This economy sucks. Corporate just put a hiring freeze on us. And they've begun laying people off in our Tulsa station. Can't wait to see what happens in two weeks when all the election ad revenue dries up.

agreed.



I'm a lil' worried about the safety of my job AFTER the election... we'll see what happens.

Mr Lefty
10-21-2008, 08:41 AM
:jacked: it's good to see ya back and posting Ambly...

marko138
10-21-2008, 09:14 AM
I brought this up with my wife last night. We discussed if we could pay our bills with both of us taking a 25% decress. The concencious was yes, but with major changes, we both have car payment and I have a bike payment....probly all threee would have to be sold and we'd have to buy a couple of older cheaper cars. Bike would be gone.

Also no extra curricular spending, no more going out to dinner, no more fun spending. Just food and bills. But we could probly get by.

Rider
10-21-2008, 09:22 AM
25% decrease in pay?.... No way, no how. I'd have to stop all contribution to my 401K(which I put 12% in each pay day), I'd have to sell my bike, I only have 1 car payment, and would have to sell it and get an older unreliable car, My kids would have to quit their sporting activities, my pets would have to be given away.... Lot's of other this would have to be given up as well. I make a damn nice living but if I had to take a 25% pay cut, I'd have to get a second job... No question. $20K-$25K a year pay cut would be very painful.

OneSickPsycho
10-21-2008, 09:27 AM
25% decrease in pay?.... No way, no how. I'd have to stop all contribution to my 401K(which I put 12% in each pay day), I'd have to sell my bike, I only have 1 car payment, and would have to sell it and get an older unreliable car, My kids would have to quit their sporting activities, my pets would have to be given away.... Lot's of other this would have to be given up as well. I make a damn nice living but if I had to take a 25% pay cut, I'd have to get a second job... No question. $20K-$25K a year pay cut would be very painful.

Truth. Could I do it? Yes. Would I be willing to do it? Absolutely not. I'd find a new job... even if that meant uprooting my life and moving elsewhere. I've worked too hard to make the money I earn right now... Meanwhile, there are 2092 jobs currently listed in my town on Monster... I'm bound to be qualified for some of them and I'm sure there are some out there that would afford me less of a pay cut than 25%.

t-homo
10-21-2008, 11:27 AM
Fuck, move to MO. Its probably 25% cheaper to live here. Gas just got down to 2.30 over the weekend. I take it back. I saw 2.18 today.

Mr Lefty
10-21-2008, 04:53 PM
could I do it? yes... do I want to? of course not... I get paid to little for what I do imo anyways...

but yes i could handle the cut... but I already have my housing, Food, and medical paid... if you deducted 25% from those as well... fuck no... I'd get out... as there would be no point to stay in.

PhiSig1071
10-21-2008, 09:11 PM
:idk:

My grandfather worked in a steel mill, they did this exact same thing. In my opinion I think it is a good thing for the company to do. For the people who do not want to take the pay cut, they can look for a new job (while still getting a paycheck), and for the people who do not mind taking a pay cut they can keep their job.

Do I want to take a 25% pay cut? Nope, but I would rather take a 25% pay cut then get laid off.

Mr Lefty
10-21-2008, 09:13 PM
:idk:

My grandfather worked in a steel mill, they did this exact same thing. In my opinion I think it is a good thing for the company to do. For the people who do not want to take the pay cut, they can look for a new job (while still getting a paycheck), and for the people who do not mind taking a pay cut they can keep their job.

Do I want to take a 25% pay cut? Nope, but I would rather take a 25% pay cut then get laid off.

very true...

but how about the people that got us in the fucking mess take a 25% pay cut... shit just not getting a raise this year would be nice.

PhiSig1071
10-21-2008, 09:16 PM
very true...

but how about the people that got us in the fucking mess take a 25% pay cut... shit just not getting a raise this year would be nice.

Yeah, that'd be great. But not likely.

Mr Lefty
10-21-2008, 09:18 PM
Yeah, that'd be great. But not likely.

yeah I know... I really need to stop dreaming

Captain Morgan
10-21-2008, 10:46 PM
I would not want to take a 25% pay cut. I make about 35k/yr. (laughable, huh?) and it would be difficult to make any less. Kinda funny how those who make 100k a year feel like it would be difficult to take a 25% pay cut, yet here I am with 65% less than that. It's all a matter of perspective. I get by, but I don't have the materialistic things I would really enjoy. I don't NEED those things, but I'd really enjoy them. It's all about what you've grown accustomed to having and the feeling that you can't do without some of those things. I'm living proof that it's not much fun, but you can get by with less if absolutely necessary.

MikeSP1
10-21-2008, 10:51 PM
I'm already working 84 hours a week for 40 hours pay, so my pay truly doesn't relfect the hours that I'm putting in. I seriously go home, go to sleep, wake up, and then go to work. Could I take a 25% pay cut? Yeah, but I'd have to find a roomie out here, and probably start thinking of creative ways to save money.

Cutty72
10-22-2008, 12:34 AM
I would not want to take a 25% pay cut. I make about 35k/yr. (laughable, huh?) and it would be difficult to make any less. Kinda funny how those who make 100k a year feel like it would be difficult to take a 25% pay cut, yet here I am with 65% less than that. It's all a matter of perspective. I get by, but I don't have the materialistic things I would really enjoy. I don't NEED those things, but I'd really enjoy them. It's all about what you've grown accustomed to having and the feeling that you can't do without some of those things. I'm living proof that it's not much fun, but you can get by with less if absolutely necessary.


I make about the same, and that's good/decent money around here!
Take off 25% of that?... yeah. The house would have to go, and that wouldn't do me much good with current house prices either...

Oh, and as far as unemployment, it doesn't pay much.
the only time I was ever on it (for 1 week) I made $230/week off of it.
Luckily I was getting severance pay from my last job, or I would have been screwed!

marko138
10-22-2008, 09:16 AM
I would not want to take a 25% pay cut. I make about 35k/yr. (laughable, huh?) and it would be difficult to make any less. Kinda funny how those who make 100k a year feel like it would be difficult to take a 25% pay cut, yet here I am with 65% less than that. It's all a matter of perspective. I get by, but I don't have the materialistic things I would really enjoy. I don't NEED those things, but I'd really enjoy them. It's all about what you've grown accustomed to having and the feeling that you can't do without some of those things. I'm living proof that it's not much fun, but you can get by with less if absolutely necessary.

Very true. And I make less than you do. And I found out yesterday from a co-worker that the boss put an overtime freeze on us. Nice. Except we're still gonna get OT...just not to do quality stories...it's gonna be OT to cover retarded shit that no one wants to shoot.

Shit is getting bad. I'm predicting lay offs in a few more weeks.