Wheelying out of corners...

[dreaded]

...has become a common occurrence for me on the big bike (guess my ham-fisted nature is resurging in this form).

Anyone else using this phenomena to "line up" their exit trajectory? S'kinda cool that you can 'steer' it. Anyone have any notes? Similar experiences?

[dReWpY]

for me its more of a slid out of the corner then a wheelie, but either way damn is it fun

[xx CURVE xx]

Do it ALL the time...on "accident" :whistle:

[TommyHotWheel]

Torque rocks...:rockwoot:

[dreaded]

for me its more of a slid out of the corner then a wheelie, but either way damn is it fun

I make an effort to "back it in" every time I ride the supermoto. I guess what you are saying is the next level- hoisting the front with the rear spinning? Too sophisticated for me just yet...

But, I am talking about when my CBR is coming on the power and the rear is hooked-up and responding traditionally, then lifts the front as I'm on the gas out of the apex.

[Archren]

Torque rocks...:rockwoot:

Torque FTMFW. :drool: :rockwoot:


And B... you are *such* a squid. :lol:

[Particle Man]

Torque rocks...:rockwoot:

:rockwoot::rockout:

[dreaded]

And B... you are *such* a squid. :lol:

Just trying to get some advice from senior riders about this phenomena.

redflip

[speedylocksmith]

it scared the crap out of me the first time it happened. Making a left, starting to straighten out and got on the throttle. I didn't realize the front was off the ground until it came back down those few inches and the steering damper did it's job or it would have been a bad situation :whistle:

[Archren]

Just trying to get some advice from senior riders about this phenomena.

redflip

:slide:

Love ya... mean it... :whistle: :D

[DLIT]

You're doing it on the CBR1000?

[dreaded]

You're doing it on the CBR1000?

Yessir.

I haven't been able to locate the throttle on my DRZ properly to have this happen yet.

[DLIT]

I wish i could offer advice, but my 600 doesn't do that shit. Do you do any racing or just track days here and there?

[dreaded]

I wish i could offer advice, but my 600 doesn't do that shit. Do you do any racing or just track days here and there?

I used to do track days years ago. I have have spent more time riding [what some will call] recklessly on the street than anything else.

[DLIT]

Cali, huh? Been out to Magic Mountain in Palm Springs once. Loved it! We're gonna be making a trip up to Palomar or somewhere else Spring next year.

[fasternyou929]

It happens to me once in a while, but nothing too regular. I find it doesn't affect my line too much, unless I don't realize the tire's floating and it comes back down and surprises me. Definitely a cool feeling though.

What kind of notes you looking for? I suspect you're not looking for advice to keep the front wheel on the ground. :lol:

[Amber Lamps]

Ok I'm almost afraid to answer as this could be some kind of trap but....

I'm not sure if you are asking for advice on how to do it more or how to stop doing it? My bike wheelies out of corners all the time but I "lessened" the effect by raising my rear and lowering my front. You can also take it down some by changing the preload on your shock. Of course,you could exit corners in a higher gear and/or enter the corner faster and be smoother with your throttle at the apex. I also had my bike custom tuned to take some of the initial hit/spike away between 2000 and 5000 rpm to lessen wheelspin and unintended wheelies (plus low/highsides). Oh and check your rear tire pressure as an underinflated tire increases your footprint/traction and can lead to these kind of problems. Try to get more of your body weight to the front of your bike as you exit the corner. Try dropping a couple teeth on your rear sprocket,it'll move your peak torque AND will slightly lengthen your wheelbase. I'll try to think of more ideas for you!:dthumb:

[Amber Lamps]

It happens to me once in a while, but nothing too regular. I find it doesn't affect my line too much, unless I don't realize the tire's floating and it comes back down and surprises me. Definitely a cool feeling though.

What kind of notes you looking for? I suspect you're not looking for advice to keep the front wheel on the ground. :lol:


Oh oh.....:sorry:

[DLIT]

It happens to me once in a while, but nothing too regular. I find it doesn't affect my line too much, unless I don't realize the tire's floating and it comes back down and surprises me. Definitely a cool feeling though.

What kind of notes you looking for? I suspect you're not looking for advice to keep the front wheel on the ground. :lol:

I hate it when you don't realize the front's up. It happens on my R6 when I take off in 1st from a start or a slow rolling start.

[Dave]

this sort of thing is exactly why i went with shorter stacks. 'specially since i dont have a damper yet

[Smittie61984]

Mine will do it sometimes in 1st if I'm going up a slight hill in the turn.

Now I love watching racers wheelie out of turns.

[dreaded]

What kind of notes you looking for? I suspect you're not looking for advice to keep the front wheel on the ground. :lol:

Just other peoples experiences really...

I've been thinking about trying some various methods to experiment with it. There's always a good story when it comes to technique. I am sure someone has tried tapping the rear brake in that state, what does it do? I plan to try rolling on a little harder, turning it over a bit more while "airborne," and as noted previously, the next step is to get the rear spinning while the front is up...

hahahaha, just kidding, sorta...

[fasternyou929]

Just other peoples experiences really...

I've been thinking about trying some various methods to experiment with it. There's always a good story when it comes to technique. I am sure someone has tried tapping the rear brake in that state, what does it do? I plan to try rolling on a little harder, turning it over a bit more while "airborne," and as noted previously, the next step is to get the rear spinning while the front is up...

hahahaha, just kidding, sorta...

Ahh, you're looking for suggestions on how to high-side.

Just kidding. Sorta. :lol:

[TommyHotWheel]

Just other peoples experiences really...

I've been thinking about trying some various methods to experiment with it. There's always a good story when it comes to technique. I am sure someone has tried tapping the rear brake in that state, what does it do? I plan to try rolling on a little harder, turning it over a bit more while "airborne," and as noted previously, the next step is to get the rear spinning while the front is up...

hahahaha, just kidding, sorta...


Best technique...buy a sportbike with a big twin!

[Antwanny]

only done it once on the TL smoking out of a corner powered it up and i set it down in a pot hole thus commencing the tank slapper which scared the fuck out of me
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[Archren]

Best technique...buy a sportbike with a big twin!

:whistle:

[Rider]

My 08 gixxer 750 did it regularly.

[marko138]

Wheelies are mandatory on the Buell.

[Archren]

Wheelies are mandatory on the Buell.

The Buelligan code demands that the bike be ridden on one wheel at least 50% of it's overall lifetime.

[marko138]

The Buelligan code demands that the bike be ridden on one wheel at least 50% of it's overall lifetime.
I've heard that. :lol:

[HurricaneHeather]

Ahh, you're looking for suggestions on how to high-side.

Just kidding. Sorta. :lol:

:rofl:

[No Worries]

I've slid the rear tire, but my long-wheelbase bikes aren't wheelie prone.

FYI, here's what Lee Parks says about coming out of curves in his Throttle Control chapter: "The faster you roll off (the throttle), the faster and harder the bike will pitch forward, which can cause all kinds of handling problems if done at an inopportune time. The same can be said for quickly releasing the brakes, which has the same effect as quickly applying the throttle. Combining the last two actions, as many novice sport riders tend to do, makes the bike extremely unstable and wheelie prone. The fix for this is to have a transition period where you are doing both actions simultaneously."

[fasternyou929]

I've slid the rear tire, but my long-wheelbase bikes aren't wheelie prone.

FYI, here's what Lee Parks says about coming out of curves in his Throttle Control chapter: "The faster you roll off (the throttle), the faster and harder the bike will pitch forward, which can cause all kinds of handling problems if done at an inopportune time. The same can be said for quickly releasing the brakes, which has the same effect as quickly applying the throttle. Combining the last two actions, as many novice sport riders tend to do, makes the bike extremely unstable and wheelie prone. The fix for this is to have a transition period where you are doing both actions simultaneously."I've read that a few times and it makes no sense. "Combining the last two actions (rolling off the throttle and quickly releasing the brakes), as many novice sport riders tend to do, makes the bike extremely unstable and wheelie prone."

Who are these novice riders that come into turn 1 full throttle, front binders glowing red, chop them both at the same time, and wheelie out into the grass? :lol:

Agree smoothness is all important, but either there's a copy/paste error from the book or someone skipped proofreading and went straight to publishing.

[smileyman]

Body position will help...I see alot of guys sit up and remain up until they are coming outta the corner making for a light front tire. Some shift there body back and upright while coming off their knee. Personally wheelies take up time at the track so I only do them foolin around. Otherwise I am tucked on the tank and forward to prevent it.

[anthonyk]

I've read that a few times and it makes no sense. "Combining the last two actions (rolling off the throttle and quickly releasing the brakes), as many novice sport riders tend to do, makes the bike extremely unstable and wheelie prone."

Who are these novice riders that come into turn 1 full throttle, front binders glowing red, chop them both at the same time, and wheelie out into the grass? :lol:

Agree smoothness is all important, but either there's a copy/paste error from the book or someone skipped proofreading and went straight to publishing.

I took his class, too, and that whole section made no sense (as presented). The riding exercise was valuable for practicing smooth throttle/braking combinations, but I didn't get the logic of the presentation at all.

And for what it's worth, my bike wheelies out of corners pretty much at will. It's tons of fun to just keep the front skimming along while you straighten up.

[No Worries]

I've read that a few times and it makes no sense. "Combining the last two actions (rolling off the throttle and quickly releasing the brakes), as many novice sport riders tend to do, makes the bike extremely unstable and wheelie prone."

Who are these novice riders that come into turn 1 full throttle, front binders glowing red, chop them both at the same time, and wheelie out into the grass? :lol:

Agree smoothness is all important, but either there's a copy/paste error from the book or someone skipped proofreading and went straight to publishing.

I took his class, too, and that whole section made no sense (as presented). The riding exercise was valuable for practicing smooth throttle/braking combinations, but I didn't get the logic of the presentation at all.

And for what it's worth, my bike wheelies out of corners pretty much at will. It's tons of fun to just keep the front skimming along while you straighten up.
Sorry, but I'm a lazy typist and didn't want to type the whole chapter. Parks was stating how the throttle controls the suspension. The front squats when you apply the brakes and you would think the rear squats when you apply the throttle. But the rear rises due to the torque reaction of the rear wheel. Being on the throttle in the corner helps keep the bike in the middle of the suspension, which keeps the chassis stable. A steady increase of throttle keeps the suspension in this sweet spot. A fast application can cause problems.

Parks says to practice rolling off the throttle painfully slow so the suspension barely moves. When you have that down, then practice rolling off the throttle and rolling on the brakes. Which sounds weird, but it keeps the bike from pitching forward and backward. Freddie Spencer teaches this and he won three world championships.

[smileyman]

You should feel the forces of deceleration, not the application of the brake, the forces of acceleration, not the application of throtttle - 1st book of Spencer Vs 3 and 4.

Goes for downshifting as well. Practice so as to make it invisible and unnoticable...

[dreaded]

Now we're having a discussion.

Awesome stuff!

[Amber Lamps]

Now we're having a discussion.

Awesome stuff!


Ah,I covered most of this in my post on page one......hahaha!:dthumb:

[Cutty72]

Best technique...buy a sportbike with a big twin!

Truth.

Wheelies are mandatory on the Buell.

Double Truth.