Gun peoples: pistol for wife.

[Triple]

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[Ninjakel]

Look into the Kahr PM9- single stack, small and a nice gun.

I'm not a big girl, but I handle our Springfield XD9 SC just fine.

Not a fan of little 22's.

[LeeNetworX]

I can now see how your marriage will end; with her putting a bullet in your head while you sleep.

[Rider]

S&W .38 special "Lady Smith" Simple to use, never jams, and no safety to deal with. The perfect choice for women to conceal carry.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:mwascaxo2KJCvM:http://world.guns.ru/handguns/sw360.jpg

[LeeNetworX]

Dude, she's already dreamt up a 1,000 different ways she could kill me, she shares them with me all the time...

Sounds like a keeper. :dthumb:

[Ninjakel]

S&W .38 special "Lady Smith" Simple to use, never jams, and no safety to deal with. The perfect choice for women to conceal carry.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:mwascaxo2KJCvM:http://world.guns.ru/handguns/sw360.jpg




I absolutely despise revolvers.


It all boils down to what she is comfortable firing. and carrying.

My suggestion is to go to a few different firing ranges, and rent a few different guns.

[fnfalman]

Too small of a gun would suck because it's difficult to shoot it well.

Get a well used Smith&Wesson K-frame revolver with about 3" barrel chambered in .357 Magnum but use .38 Special until she is comfortable enough to go with the bigger bang. Something along the line of a Model 66 (stainless steel) or Model 19 (carbon steel). Or the various .38 Special ONLY K-frame like the Model 10, Military&Police, etc.

Snubnose wheelguns like the Smith&Wesson J-frames 5-shooters are difficult to learn on because they're so small. Easy to carry doesn't translate to easy to shoot.

Notice that I am not even recommending a small or medium autopistol. If you're a noob, then start with a decent revolver. Neither she nor you are SWAT commandos and the need for 15-rounds magazines is pretty slim to none. Nice to have, but not necessary.

[LeeNetworX]

Lisa loves our Glock 26 - she's very comfortable with it. She finds it light and comfortable while holding it, and shoots some pretty tight groupings with it.

[shmike]

I can now see how your marriage will end; with her putting a bullet in your head while you sleep.


That was my first thought.

Then I read Triple's post and thought maybe not.

She'll put 8 little bullets in his head. :welcome:

[nhgunnut]

If you like the idea of a 22 auto you would be hard pressed to find a better buy than the Walther P22
To echo an earlier thought though you would be hard pressed to find a more relaible easier to use handgun than double action revolver

[Rider]

I absolutely despise revolvers.



When you're a newb and you forget your safety is on or you don't know how to clear a jammed casing, your life could could be over. More advanced users?... yeah go with a semi auto. Revolvers are easy for the newbs, aim and fire.

[Ninjakel]

When you're a newb and you forget your safety is on or you don't know how to clear a jammed casing, your life could could be over. More advanced users?... yeah go with a semi auto. Revolvers are easy for the newbs, aim and fire.


well personally, a noob has no business carrying a hangun. get proficient, get alot of range time in, and then maybe.

Giving a noob any gun to carry isn't the brightest idea. More times than not, it goes wrong.

[Lino]

I'm not a big girl,


yes you are :whistle:

Springfield XD9 SC
:iagree:

[Ninjakel]

Shut up, Lino. You calling me a fattie???


I'm gonna knock your pretty Sprint over next time I see you :panic:

[ducati_atx]

for a carry weapon for a chick - why would you want a revolver without a safety? Seems a bit of a risk for something in one's purse, where they are most likely to carry it. If one cant handle the safety, they probably wouldnt be able to pass the conc. carry class.

[Ninjakel]

If you can't carry it on your person, don't carry. A purse is useless.

[ducati_atx]

most chicks I know who carry - put it in their purse, as a traditional womans outfit (tight fitting shirt/jeans) doesnt allow one to easily hide they are packing.

[BobTheBiker]

I'd suggest something in the .38 caliber range. small but just as effective as a .45 if you're proficient with it. for a small framed lady, a low recoil and easy to control pistol is probably pretty important. IMO, the handbag is a terrible place to carry a firearm, although most girls dont have much of any other place to hide it with what they wear.

a fellow on another forum said it best, a .38 is plenty effective. your foe will just be like awww is that a- then st peter just says DUMBASS!

whatever you get, when you go to the range, use the firearm you intend to carry, otherwise becoming proficient in it's use is an exercise in futility. this is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING EVER. oh yeah, regular practice with the firearm to keep one's skills in tune is also very critical. being able to hit your target and not have to use more than one round to ensure they wont be getting back up is pretty handy in a life or death situation.

[Lino]

Shut up, Lino. You calling me a fattie???

no.. but you are not a small girl :whistle:

[fnfalman]

I'm just considering the distances she would (possibly) be shooting from. Anyone trying to assault her wouldn't be any more than a few yards away, probably closer.

People have been known to miss at contact range with a handgun while shooting under duress.

Trying to hold onto a snubnose revolver or a subcompact handgun, try to point and aim it then shoot...it sounds a lot easier said than done.

And I beg to differ from Ninjakeel. Nothing wrong with carrying in a purse as long as the purse is made that way. There are concealment purses that are made with heavy strap and heavy stitching so that if the girl were to wear the purse cross shoulder, the strap wouldn't break if somebody were to try to yank it off. And there would be a slit in the body where she can stick her hand in and yank out the handgun instead of trying to fish INSIDE the purse.

http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterP2.asp?CatalogID=149

[Method]

That was my first thought.

Then I read Triple's post and thought maybe not.

She'll put 8 little bullets in his head. :welcome:
I had the same thought as well.

Triple - Didn't she recently try to kick your ass and bit you?

I'd be shopping for a muzzle, not a gun. :lol:

[RACER X]

kahr .380

[z06boy]

Neither with much experience ? Go with a revolver...point and shoot and not complicated at all.

Semi's aren't that complicated until you have an issue in the heat of the moment and then it may be too late.

.38 or .357 since you can fire .38 rounds in the .357 as well.

I didn't read all of this...maybe I should have but my above opinion is based on assuming this is for self/home defense.

Go to the range and practice...become familiar and get comfortable with it.

[fnfalman]

My wife weighs about 90 pounds and has all the muscle strength of a wet spaghetti noodle. The less recoil, the better.

I'm still leaning toward a pocket .22. Just want the piece with the best reputation. I shoot Stinger hollow points and they make pretty big holes for such small bullets. I've read that Quik-Shok projectile rounds are pretty devastating, too.

Then the auto pistol is going to be a real major issue. She'll be limpwristing the pistol and it won't cycle for shit.

But if you were to want one with the best reputation then go with a Beretta Model 21 Bobcat. But at least go with the .25Auto caliber for more penetration. https://www.shopberetta.com/e2wShoppingCatalog.aspx?parentID=3100001371&parentLink=2100000084:3100001364:3100001371

[Smittie61984]

Why do you need a pistol in the kitchen???

That aside a 9mm is perfect. Just not a glock or some other bulky plastic like gun. Make sure it's slinder. A 38special stub nose would be pretty good (Not the 357magnum). Easily handled and less likely to accidentily discharge.

[Ducati Diva]

My first gun was a Colt 380. Perfect size for small hands and not much of a recoil. I have since moved up to my issued 9mm but liked the little 380. One piece of advice if neither of you have much experience take a course with a certified instructor. Also take the gun apart and reassemble it until you are both comfortable with the mechanics of the gun.
Snaged this pic to give you an idea of size.

[Adeptus_Minor]

1. Go for a .380, 9mm, or .38 Special, not a rimfire. A single, well-aimed .22 shot can kill, and perhaps the sight of a gun is enough to deter an attack; I wouldn't bet your wife's life on either of those assumptions.

2. Pistol or revolver is not as important as her proficiency with it. Revolvers are 'point & click', and the safety is pretty obvious. Autos will require a little more training, but that shouldn't be a deal breaker. Autos will offer you a little more choice in caliber in a compact size.

3. Did I mention proficiency? If she's scared of it, it will be useless. If it isn't second nature to draw and aim, it will be useless. If she can't operate the safety or firing mechanism, it will be useless.

[Smittie61984]

1. Go for a .380, 9mm, or .38 Special, not a rimfire. A single, well-aimed .22 shot can kill, and perhaps the sight of a gun is enough to deter an attack; I wouldn't bet your wife's life on either of those assumptions.

2. Pistol or revolver is not as important as her proficiency with it. Revolvers are 'point & click', and the safety is pretty obvious. Autos will require a little more training, but that shouldn't be a deal breaker. Autos will offer you a little more choice in caliber in a compact size.

3. Did I mention proficiency? If she's scared of it, it will be useless. If it isn't second nature to draw and aim, it will be useless. If she can't operate the safety or firing mechanism, it will be useless.


What he/she/it said!!!:rockwoot:

[Adeptus_Minor]

What he/she/it said!!!:rockwoot:

Muahahaha!!! I'm an "it".. :devil:

[Cass]

Sig P232. As soon as my mister turns a blind eye, I'm stealing this one from him. I love it. So easy to shoot, manual decocker, nice weight, fits awesome in my hand.

MY gun is a Ruger .357mag, I usually run .38s through it though.

[Dragonpaco]

1. Go for a .380, 9mm, or .38 Special, not a rimfire. A single, well-aimed .22 shot can kill, and perhaps the sight of a gun is enough to deter an attack; I wouldn't bet your wife's life on either of those assumptions.

2. Pistol or revolver is not as important as her proficiency with it. Revolvers are 'point & click', and the safety is pretty obvious. Autos will require a little more training, but that shouldn't be a deal breaker. Autos will offer you a little more choice in caliber in a compact size.

3. Did I mention proficiency? If she's scared of it, it will be useless. If it isn't second nature to draw and aim, it will be useless. If she can't operate the safety or firing mechanism, it will be useless.

PLUS1OneONEone

i would never trust anyone's life with a rimfire cartridge. much better to have a centerfire .25 like this http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=455&category=Pistol

[Lamnidae]

S&W .38 special "Lady Smith" Simple to use, never jams, and no safety to deal with. The perfect choice for women to conceal carry.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:mwascaxo2KJCvM:http://world.guns.ru/handguns/sw360.jpg

Hey that's the one my wifey's got.



i'd say 38 or 9.... Stick w/ revolver, easier to use, kinda like a mouse... point and click.

[Smittie61984]

Hey that's the one my wifey's got.



i'd say 38 or 9.... Stick w/ revolver, easier to use, kinda like a mouse... point and click.

I still can't stand S&W from my Auto 45 and can't bring myself to forgive them for kissing D.C.'s ass during the AWB. A problem I have seen and heard about with the S&W revolvers (Saw a S&W 500 that showed it quick) is the firing pins have bent since they are directly connected to the hammer.

The Taurus revolvers don't have a firing pin that is connected to the hammer. Infact it's also a safety feature so if you do somehow cock the hammer back and it drops before it locks. Your finger has to be on the trigger to fire. Plus it has 5 shots instead of 6 for sleaker carry.

Also don't get hte ultralite 38s. Heavier pistols reduce a lot of the recoil which women prefer. I've seen a lot of women at the range get ultralites and then freak out when that 38 feels like a 357.

But video of me at the range including me firing my stub nose 38/357.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nsu0kyHXF8

[Particle Man]

if you do end up buying her a gun, let me be the first to say: Don't fuck her sister.

[askmrjesus]

Ordinarily I would advise against a .22 for self-defense purposes, but seeing how the most likely person to be shot with this gun is you, it's probably a good choice.

JC

[Rider]

for a carry weapon for a chick - why would you want a revolver without a safety? Seems a bit of a risk for something in one's purse, where they are most likely to carry it. If one cant handle the safety, they probably wouldnt be able to pass the conc. carry class.

Revolvers don't have a safety. You are the safety.

[the chi]

If you like the idea of a 22 auto you would be hard pressed to find a better buy than the Walther P22
To echo an earlier thought though you would be hard pressed to find a more relaible easier to use handgun than double action revolver

I agree 100%! The Walther 22 is a very nice little gun for self defense purposes, whether your a tiny woman or a large guy. Very compact, easily carried and deadly with a good aim and close quarters.

I prefer a bit larger myself, with more weight in the rear to stabilize it asI handle and shoot it. 9mm, 40, and 45's are awesome, 45 being my fave. I cant stand revolvers either, i just dont like them.

If you can't carry it on your person, don't carry. A purse is useless.

Amen sister. I HATE carrying a purse, if it doesnt fit in my back pocket, it aint going. Ankle holster FTW!

Several people have mentioned gun safety and practice, it cant be said enough. NO ONE needs to be playing with guns if they dont know what they are doing. If you and the wifey are getting a pistol, you BOTH need to be at the range, you both need to take it apart, put it back together, until there would never be an issue with not knowing how to handle it in an emergency situation. (Muscle memory, you do it enough, even if you arent thinking, your body knows what to do.)

[fnfalman]

I agree 100%! The Walther 22 is a very nice little gun for self defense purposes, whether your a tiny woman or a large guy. Very compact, easily carried and deadly with a good aim and close quarters.



The Walther P22 should not be a defensive piece. It is at best a mediocre range toy. Low quality and either bad engineering or lousy quality control because it's not a reliable piece at all. I just got rid of mine not long ago.

I cant stand revolvers either, i just dont like them.


Rae, you broke my heart. There can never be anything between us now. This un-marriage of the mind is too much for me to overcome. :cry: Not to mention that it's down right un-American!!!:td:

[fnfalman]

IAmen sister. I HATE carrying a purse, if it doesnt fit in my back pocket, it aint going. Ankle holster FTW!


How about garter belt holster?:drool:

[Dragonpaco]

How about garter belt holster?:drool:

you have much to teach me sensei

[Papa_Complex]

Revolvers don't have a safety. You are the safety.

An empty cylinder can stand in for one.

[z06boy]

An empty cylinder can stand in for one.

Yes as long as you know which cylinder to leave empty. Most newbs would think it's the one in the 12:00 position which obviously it isn't.

For those that say they "hate revolvers"...well it is my suggestion for newb. Mainly because it's simple and dependable.

I don't carry one but then again I'm not new to firearms as some here are.

[askmrjesus]

An empty cylinder can stand in for one.

Wow. That's a blast from the past.

Does anybody do that anymore?

JC

[z06boy]

Wow. That's a blast from the past.

Does anybody do that anymore?

JC

I sure don't. My snub-nose is only a 5-shot...that would leave only 4 !! :lol:

[nhgunnut]

The Walther P22 should not be a defensive piece. It is at best a mediocre range toy. Low quality and either bad engineering or lousy quality control because it's not a reliable piece at all. I just got rid of mine not long ago.



Rae, you broke my heart. There can never be anything between us now. This un-marriage of the mind is too much for me to overcome. :cry: Not to mention that it's down right un-American!!!:td:

Have to disagree with you here I have found the P22 is a reliable as Swiss watch and far more reliable than the Sig Mosquito it replaced at our house. It is a mass produced handgun with tolerances that reflect that, you may have gotten a bad one. I gave one to my wife for her birthday years ago after they first hit the market. I had the mosquito for a about 4 months and was so disappointed that and so pleased with the wife’s P22 I went and got another. Also It is IDEAL for suppressing. The same loose tolerances that make less than a Art Piece handgun let it be very forgiving of fouling buildup that will jam weapons that have tighter tolerances.
I have a Gemtech Outback II on mine and a good friend of mine uses a YHM Mite on his (If I were doing it again I would go with the Mite) As it Happens I als0 have the companion G22 (bullpup rifle set up for left hand) that IU run the 22 can on or on occasion I put my Halo on it as well. I can’t think of a better set up for a general 22 work or a better suppressed weapons system .

[z06boy]

I bet it looks something like this...

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8d801b3127ccec43cc9dea44900000030O08AcMWjly5cNA e3nww/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

[Papa_Complex]

Wow. That's a blast from the past.

Does anybody do that anymore?

JC

Yup, people who own cap & ball revolvers, and it is the 12:00 cylinder.

[askmrjesus]

Yup, people who own cap & ball revolvers, and it is the 12:00 cylinder.

That would make sense for a SA revolver.

JC

[Papa_Complex]

That would make sense for a SA revolver.

JC

Exactly.

Soon we hope to be upgrading the RCMP from Brown Bess muskets to breach loaders too.

[z06boy]

Yup, people who own cap & ball revolvers, and it is the 12:00 cylinder.

...but for the newbs...if you go out and by a DA revolver like most any revolver you can buy over the counter these days... please don't get confused and leave the 12:00 cylinder empty and think it won't fire the first time you pull the trigger because you will be in for a big surprise. :lol

[askmrjesus]

Soon we hope to be upgrading the RCMP from Brown Bess muskets to breach loaders too.

Has anyone suggested Kevlar yet?

Wearing a vest made from 3 dozen beavers, must get uncomfortable in the Summer.

JC

[Papa_Complex]

Has anyone suggested Kevlar yet?

Wearing a vest made from 3 dozen beavers, must get uncomfortable in the Summer.

JC

In this economic climate? Hell with it. They can sweat for the two weeks.

[the chi]

How about garter belt holster?:drool:

Only effective if a woman wears skirts or dresses. The day you catch me in a skirt, check on hell. It just froze over.

Ive always wanted to try the venomous snake in the cleavage, but alas, harder to get permits for those. :lol:

[fnfalman]

you have much to teach me sensei

This is a thigh holster that can be used by either men or women. But some years back, Galco used to make garter belt holsters.

http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterPT3.asp?ProductID=2638&CatalogID=393

[Rider]

Only effective if a woman wears skirts or dresses. The day you catch me in a skirt, check on hell. It just froze over.


That's an annual occurrence in Michigan.

http://www.cambridgenow.ca/images/newsimage/Hell%20Freezes%20Oversml.JPG

[z06boy]

I bought one of these this past weekend at a local gunshow.

There are actually two pouches/slits so most any size handgun will fit...well not a Desert Eagle. :lol:

It's made to wear either under a jacket or another shirt and works great on a bike for conceal carry.


http://guntee.com/images/derringer.jpg

http://guntee.com/images/revolver.jpg

http://guntee.com/images/9.jpg

[byron12]

I m confused as to what is wrong with a rimfire cartridge. I am not completly firearm illiterate but I don't know everything. I don't understand why you guys are detracring a rimfire cartridge....:idk: PLease explain.

[Lamnidae]

Only effective if a woman wears skirts or dresses. The day you catch me in a skirt, check on hell. It just froze over.

Ive always wanted to try the venomous snake in the cleavage, but alas, harder to get permits for those. :lol:

bwa hahahaha


Ms. Rae I've missed your witty comments. :)


Hey I could see you rockin' a sundress, that would work. You've got the attitude for it.

[fnfalman]

Hey I could see you rockin' a sundress, that would work. You've got the attitude for it.

Yes, a light blue sun dress with hints of spring flowers and tan Greek sandals...

[Papa_Complex]

Yes, a light blue sun dress with hints of spring flowers and tan Greek sandals...

I guess that would require a chamois thigh holster and smallish wheelgun, to not clash.

[Amorok]

The Walther P22 is a peice of shit, stay away from it. I bought one for my wife thinking it had a lot of cool features and could be concealed. First off, you have to fire the hottest 22's you can find. Then, the magazine release is retarded and even seasoned professionals were dropping the mag with their regular trigger pull. The damn thing had at least three to five misfires, stovepipes or other malfunctions each magazine. That's ten rounds, people. And to top it all off, after only a hundred frustrating rounds the weapon broke! There is a spring pin under the slide-mounted safety which began to protrude from the left side, eventually so far out that you couldn't safety the weapon! What a peice of shit, and I tell this story as a warning to everybody who mentions them. I returned it the next day and got a Ruger Mk II 22/45 that we've never had a problem with.

For a woman's carry gun I'd recommend a small frame .357 loaded with 38spcls. If that doesn't work, go with a Kahr or a Kel-Tec in .380, you'll still get the job done but it'll be small enough and manageable enough that she won't be scared of it. For purse carry a slightly bigger but much better option is a SIG P229 is 40 short and weak. I make fun of the round but I carry one, and my wife loves it. Kind of have to go with a purse though, as it doesn't fit under the tight clothes she wears.

[nhgunnut]

The Walther P22 is a peice of shit, stay away from it. I bought one for my wife thinking it had a lot of cool features and could be concealed. First off, you have to fire the hottest 22's you can find. Then, the magazine release is retarded and even seasoned professionals were dropping the mag with their regular trigger pull. The damn thing had at least three to five misfires, stovepipes or other malfunctions each magazine. That's ten rounds, people. And to top it all off, after only a hundred frustrating rounds the weapon broke! There is a spring pin under the slide-mounted safety which began to protrude from the left side, eventually so far out that you couldn't safety the weapon! What a peice of shit, and I tell this story as a warning to everybody who mentions them. I returned it the next day and got a Ruger Mk II 22/45 that we've never had a problem with.

For a woman's carry gun I'd recommend a small frame .357 loaded with 38spcls. If that doesn't work, go with a Kahr or a Kel-Tec in .380, you'll still get the job done but it'll be small enough and manageable enough that she won't be scared of it. For purse carry a slightly bigger but much better option is a SIG P229 is 40 short and weak. I make fun of the round but I carry one, and my wife loves it. Kind of have to go with a purse though, as it doesn't fit under the tight clothes she wears.

This is interesting, I have never had any difficulty with either of the two we have and have collectively around 15 thousand rounds thru them, with at Least 10 thousands rounds beign surpessed. A friend of mine who also uses his with a supressor has had no difficulty either . Localy at the range they are quickly replacing the Rugers Kept them clean and have had No problemes what so ever. I would agree that the mag release is odd but got used to it quickly. I like my 22/45 as well but is find it is a heavy for regular carry.
As far as a 22 for defense goes I will quote Elmer Keith "Beats the hell out of your fingernails" That said I would agree a 38 double action revolver would be my first choice. VERY hard to jam Exceptionaly easy to use. A bit slow on the reload but realisticly if you can't finnish up with 5 38s you may need a rifle not a reload

[fnfalman]

This is interesting, I have never had any difficulty with either of the two we have and have collectively around 15 thousand rounds thru them, with at Least 10 thousands rounds beign surpessed. A friend of mine who also uses his with a supressor has had no difficulty either . Localy at the range they are quickly replacing the Rugers Kept them clean and have had No problemes what so ever. I would agree that the mag release is odd but got used to it quickly. I like my 22/45 as well but is find it is a heavy for regular carry.
As far as a 22 for defense goes I will quote Elmer Keith "Beats the hell out of your fingernails" That said I would agree a 38 double action revolver would be my first choice. VERY hard to jam Exceptionaly easy to use. A bit slow on the reload but realisticly if you can't finnish up with 5 38s you may need a rifle not a reload

Count your luck because there are way too many dissatisfied P22 owners. The same with that SIG Mosquito and the abortion that was SIG Trailside.

These guns are pot metal cheap guns that are made to look cool and resemble their larger brethens.

[fnfalman]

I guess that would require a chamois thigh holster and smallish wheelgun, to not clash.

Or in the case of Rae, a vintage Galco garter holster with a Beretta Bobcat (nickel plated and engraved).:pat:

[nhgunnut]

Count your luck because there are way too many dissatisfied P22 owners. The same with that SIG Mosquito and the abortion that was SIG Trailside.

These guns are pot metal cheap guns that are made to look cool and resemble their larger brethens.

Just to satisfy my curiosity, was you experience with the P22's with the German Walther's or the ones made (assembled) by S&W I checked with the folks who I know have them here (most of us run them suppressed using either Remington or Federal Sub-Sonic) We are all running the German made threaded barrel units. The other thing that might be adding to our success is our cleaning habits because suppressed weapon get so dirty so quickly we are all used to thoroughly cleaning them. ( I have found the Remington ammo fouls the action very quickly) Again this is not to dispute anyone else's experience merely to find what has contributed to my success with this little handgun. Cause as a rule lucky I aint

[FuryThree]

I think im a little late on this one, but I would never carry a .22lr there are plenty of other more effective concealable handguns. Take her to the range and rent a few. a good 9mm or .380 would be far more effective, while not as light on recoil as a .22, they are still pretty tame. Depending on how much you want to do, you might consider a small revolver in .38 or something like that, simple, effective and reliable.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Why do the smaller rounds have such a stigma of being "ineffective" ?

For military and tactical purposes, I would agree: the bigger the round, the better. The more force delivered, the faster the target is neutralized, and fewer rounds are required per target. Ammunition can be used more efficiently.

That said, for someone like my wife defending herself against a would-be mugger/rapist, do you really think the aggressor will continue his attempt to mug/rape after taking even a .22lr round to the face or chest? How about six, seven, or more .22lr rounds to the face or chest..?


When you pull a gun to defend yourself, you NEVER shoot to wound.
Wounded assailants can sue you and have more rights than victims in many situations.
You only draw the gun if you have no other course of action and when you shoot, you shoot to stop them permanently.
A .22LR can kill someone, several of them ups the chance, but for a decisive move, you need something with more penetration and greater energy.