Bad gas?

[MissHell]

Is there such thing as bad gas?
I always put premium Chevron gas in my bike.

Yesterday I had 85 miles on my bike, I normally fill around 100. I met up with some friends. I rode on the highway to the designated spot - no problem.

No problems starting my bike. We pull out to ride and every time I slow to turn or stop, my bike dies. No lights coming on and it starts back up every time no problem.

One of the gals said she had the same problem and it was bad gas.

We went to the gas station and I filled up the tank, no problems after that.

Just wondering what happened? Can I avoid it from happening again? Do I need to have the bike checked? I just had 4k service done a few months ago.

[Curb]

it happens...sometimes somthing can get into the gas while it is being transported
(usually water) or if it sits too long it can get stale. i've had it happen to me once before in my car...ran like shit until i burned it all out

[TommyHotWheel]

Put a little Seafoam or Sta-Bil in if it happens again and it should clear up.

[LittleTaz]

Put a little Seafoam or Sta-Bil in if it happens again and it should clear up.

Maybe some Beano? :lol:

[TommyHotWheel]

Oh God...We are having cabbage for Christmas dinner tonight with my soon to bes...hope the insurance is paid up.

[BobTheBiker]

yeah, bad gas, or contaminated fuel is a possiblity. its not uncommon either, as I've heard and seen it happen once in awhile. just run some fuel system cleaner in the bike on your next fillup and if it keeps acting up, then take it for service.

on the subject of gas, I"ve had a LOT of it last night, I'm surprised I didnt kill one of my customers.

[HRCNICK11]

You might have got some from the bottom of the tank at the gas station. Also this time of year some states require the use of more additives. The additives don't work as well.

Plus most gas now has upto 10% ethanol and ethanol mixes with water so it soaks it up like a spong from the air.


Most bikes these days have a easy to adjust idle knob on the side of the bike some where you should check into that. I adjust my idle almost everytime I ride as the weather changes during the day. I also turn it up pretty high during trackdays to reduce wheel hop. (2500-3000)

[MissHell]

You might have got some from the bottom of the tank at the gas station....
The gas station I normally go to was out of premium gas the other day (all the pumps). So I do wonder if the last time I filled the bike, it was the bottom of their storage tank.

I've been riding almost 10 years and never has this type of issue before. :idk: I just like to why the how/why something happened.

Thanks all for the feedback!

[t-homo]

I got some in my blast when I was trying to sell it in May. Fuckin sucked cuz I lost a sale on it, but sold it 3 weeks later for 200 more and to a better person (father and son who wanted to learn together). Maybe it was a good thing afterall.

[ericr]

The gas station I normally go to was out of premium gas the other day (all the pumps). So I do wonder if the last time I filled the bike, it was the bottom of their storage tank.

I've been riding almost 10 years and never has this type of issue before. :idk: I just like to why the how/why something happened.

Thanks all for the feedback!

There's a good chance it was at the bottom of the storage tank when you filled up Michelle and you probably got some water in it. It could have had some trash in it too so if it keeps on doing it, check the fuel filter on the bike. Hope fully it was just a little water and it'll be fine now.

[OreoGaborio]

it's not the source of your problem, but stop filling up w/ premium. Just cuz it's more expensive doesn't mean it's better for the bike, it just means it has more additives in it to raise the octane level, which is only needed for high compression engines prone to detonation.

Check your owners manual for the recommended octane & use that (or whatever's available w/o going below the recommended). Anything "better" is nothing but a waste of money.

Also, GENERALLY the "cheaper" fuels get changed out more often because more people use them, which means there's less of a chance for condensation to build up in the bottom of the holding tank.

[pickle.of.doom]

OMFG a thread about gas and our own gas expert hasn't chimed in yet????


WTF Gman, you are slipping :D

[BobTheBiker]

I concur with this 1000%. higher octane doesnt=higher performance or better power output in a bike unless you've got a turbo or your bike specifies you need premium. I run regular 87 unleaded in my cage, my bike, and everything I own without a single issue.

premium wont give a bike more power, clean it out, etc. in a bike that specifies regular unleaded is what you need, you're really just burning money and not much else honestly.

[pickle.of.doom]

Most power will be had with the lowest octane that doesn't cause knocking.

[OreoGaborio]

Ahhh... I'm so glad I brought that up ;) Not because I don't think most of us already know this stuff, but because I think this marks the one billionth internet discussion about octane!!!

Do we all get a prize? I hope we do :D

[ericr]

Ahhh... I'm so glad I brought that up ;) Not because I don't think most of us already know this stuff, but because I think this marks the one billionth internet discussion about octane!!!

Do we all get a prize? I hope we do :D


You get the FAIL prize since an R6S has 12.4:1 compression and requires premium fuel.


Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

[xx CURVE xx]

beans

[HRCNICK11]

Oh for the record water is heavier than gas so the bottom of the tank is the nasty stuff. Also if you ever see a truck at the station filling the tanks drive right past cause when they fill the tanks it stirs up all the crap and you will get more of the crap. There is a reason they have to change the tanks every few years even now that they are not steel.

[Gas Man]

OMFG a thread about gas and our own gas expert hasn't chimed in yet????


WTF Gman, you are slipping :D

Sorry.

Most power will be had with the lowest octane that doesn't cause knocking.

Truth! Wise man

Can gas go bad? It really just breaks down in a fashion. Gas' #1 enemy is air. That is why you always fill the tank to its complete to eliminate the air.

But I highly doubt this is a gas issue. You said it only fucked up when you were turning?

But i will always suggest a frequent run of seafoam... it won't hurt. Check the sticky in tech on seafoam.

[MissHell]

You said it only fucked up when you were turning?


The bike cut-off every time I slowed down, either to turn or come to a complete stop.

But i will always suggest a frequent run of seafoam... it won't hurt. Check the sticky in tech on seafoam.
Sorry - I am not familar with seafoam. What does "check the sticky in tech on seafoam" mean?

[ericr]

Sorry - I am not familar with seafoam. What does "check the sticky in tech on seafoam" mean?

Read here Misshell http://www.twowheelfix.com/showthread.php?t=2342 :D

[OreoGaborio]

You get the FAIL prize since an R6S has 12.4:1 compression and requires premium fuel.


Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
Hey, better than getting the cock award for acting like a penis. :whistle:

Btw, congrats :dthumb:

[ericr]

Hey, better than getting the cock award for acting like a penis. :whistle:

Btw, congrats :dthumb:

Thanks!! :dthumb: I'd rather be a smartass than a dumbass anyday :whistle:

This was the first line of your post...

it's not the source of your problem, but stop filling up w/ premium.


Now I know Michelle has been riding for quite a few years, is a really smart girl, and should know that she needs premium in her bike, but what if she wasn't sure? Just because you love to jump on the octane bandwagon without checking to see if someone needs it or not is just reckless.

If she did folow your advice and started running 87 octane in her 12.4:1 motor she's gonna have a lot more problems besides a little water or trash in her gas. Rebuilding motor's isn't cheap so you should reserve your infinite wisdom internetz advice for when you know you're right or maybe just for your close friends.

As it is, I'm gonna make sure my close friends don't follow stupid advice from anyone with a keyboard. Ok, :spank: I'm done, go back out and play now :D

[OreoGaborio]

Jesus Christ, where am I, 4Chan or a motorcycle forum?

I know what I said, you don't have to tell it back to me... and I know how long she's been riding cuz she told us. But if she doesn't know what Seafoam is then what's to say she doesn't know truth from fiction when it comes to octane?

But yes, you corrected my mistake & made your point, congratulations.... I can correct people when they make a mistake too, but I can do it w/o acting like a fuckin 12 year old tryin to impress the cute girls on the playground by stickin up for em.

My guess is MissHell probably doesn't need you to defend her. She (or you, for that matter) very easily could have came back & said "It requires premium".... shit, you're right, my mistake... end of story.




MissHell, I hope the bike is running ok. If not, and it's not water in the gas tank (drain the tank before re-filling or add a lot of drygas to help the gas absorb the water so it can burn it off) and it runs fine at speed, then take a look into the carbs, it sounds like it may be a clogged idle jet.

[pickle.of.doom]

06 r6 had carbs? not FI?

[ericr]

Hey, better than getting the cock award for acting like a penis. :whistle:

Btw, congrats :dthumb:


So this is "not acting like a 12 year old"???? :lmao: seriously dude, switch to decaf! :lol:

[OreoGaborio]

Like everyone in CEO's shock thread, I thought you were being a jackass to be funny so I was trying to play along. Turned out I was wrong... again.

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I blame the source of my problem not on too much coffee, but lack thereof. I got my Dunkin now. Woo-sah.

[Gas Man]

The bike cut-off every time I slowed down, either to turn or come to a complete stop.


Sorry - I am not familar with seafoam. What does "check the sticky in tech on seafoam" mean?

The other guy linked the thread on the seafoam. Its an additive you can put in your gas tank.

Have you changed anything else on the bike recently? Anything?

[ericr]

06 r6 had carbs? not FI?

Yes, the 2006 R6S is fuel injected.


Psssst, OreoGabario, it doesn't have carbs either. ;)

[rogue]

MissHell, I hope the bike is running ok. If not, and it's not water in the gas tank (drain the tank before re-filling or add a lot of drygas to help the gas absorb the water so it can burn it off) and it runs fine at speed, then take a look into the carbs, it sounds like it may be a clogged idle jet.

I think her bike is FI? :scratch:

Yes, the 2006 R6S is fuel injected.


Psssst, OreoGabario, it doesn't have carbs either. ;)

Yep! Thought so! :D

[Sixxxxer]

Someone tried to tell me I could run 87 in My Bike...

[OreoGaborio]

Check the ignition points. They might be worn out. But my money's on the distributor cap.

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[pickle.of.doom]

I've run 87 in my cbr600rr with no ill effects,(no pinging, no knocking) but only 1 tank at a time when I screw up at the gas station and forget what bike I'm on.

[rogue]

Check the ignition points. They might be worn out. But my money's on the distributor cap.

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I don't know much about mechanics but I didn't think there were points or distributor caps with electronic ignitions..... :scratch:

[Sixxxxer]

Its not Electronics Ignition...Its Ignition Points...Where the Spark Plug wire plugs into the Cap...There is a Metal Contact point.
http://www.trustmymechanic.com/parts_gallery/distibutor_cap.jpg
http://www.trustmymechanic.com/parts_gallery/distributor_cap1jpg.jpg

[OreoGaborio]

Sorry folks, it was a joke.

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[Dnyce]

honestly, i put the better stuff-91-in the bike cuz it seriously like a 40cent difference in total price. even tho the bike calls for 90, i doubt id notice a dif if i ran 87.

i wonder if i get it tuned, if i could find more power with 87 than 91

cars gets cheap stuff, racebike gets 110-114

[MissHell]

So a little update...

I talked with my mechanic about what happened. Seeing he has more in-site to my situation, his explaination makes sense.

I don't have covered parking at my place, the bike came with a cover - but it's a cheap one more for dirt, not rain/weather. We've had some heavy rains here lately. My mechanic said the gas cap doesn't have a seal and I probably had some water get in the gas tank.

I got an all-weather cover for my bike for Christmas, so hopefully it won't happen again.

Thank you again for all your feedback. :)

[Dnyce]

Sorry folks, it was a joke.

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knowledge of 4chan and jokes most ppl wouldnt get.

i say post moar hahaha :dthumb: