MotherQUACKING tapout puny biffact trackin douchebaggery to the 100th degree.

[OneSickPsycho]

CB Dolloway tapped out AGAIN, only the ref missed it and he capitalized on it.

I fucking hate that douchemachine with a fucking passion. I could never beat his ass, but I'd love to run over him with my truck.

And I'm disappointed in Forrest's loss... not cause he lost, but cause Evans blew a kiss and grabbed his cock in the middle of the fight. Forrest is a classy motherfucker and Evans is a fucking douche.

[Mr Lefty]

I see a title change in the future...


Pissed I missed the fight though... was moving my room around packing up all my gear... should have moved my computer sooner and recorded it....

[Dnyce]

atleast fucking wasnt censored in your title

[t-homo]

Not till Rider gets to it. I forgot to watch the fights tonight.

[OneSickPsycho]

Shit will be censored and I don't give a fuck... more work for those who wish to make their jobs harder than they need to be is fun for me...

I want to shove 100lbs of thermite up CB's ass and take a magnesium strip to that motherfucker. Fuck that tapping pussing motherfucker.

[DLIT]

Anybody know if Silva made it? After his knockout, he got up only to faint later on. Last word I heard was he went to the hospital.

[OneSickPsycho]

Anybody know if Silva made it? After his knockout, he got up only to faint later on. Last word I heard was he went to the hospital.

I dunno... He did get rocked like a champion though.

[FT BSTRD]

Anybody know if Silva made it? After his knockout, he got up only to faint later on. Last word I heard was he went to the hospital.


Win or lose they ALL go to the hospital.

Although Rampage is a version 1.0 fighter (like Liddell), he has hands like cinder blocks. Forrest was able to pick him apart and nullify his hands. I think that had the fight gone on longer, Silva would have been able to pick him apart as well. Rampage did what he always does.


Forrest's loss sucked. He didn't look nearly as yoked as he did for the Rampage fight. He should have done more strength work for this fight.

I agree, Evans is a no class act.


Forrest will be back. He will be better. He was laughing it off, but you could tell that he was about to cry. Sometimes losing the title will make a figher incredibly hungry. I believe this will be the case for Forrest.


I think the best fight was the Noguera/Mir fight. Noguera is showing his age but still has plenty of leathal tools left in the bag. I don't think he looked as conditioned as he has in the past. Mir looked stellar. It was his fight. He could have ended it two times before he actually did.

I believe that Lesnar will just smother him, but I can't wait to see that fight. I hope Mir beats him again. I want Lesnar to be forced to change and grow his game as well. I hope he gets submitted again.

[OneSickPsycho]

I like Mir, but I hope Lesnar collapses his skull.

[JoJoYZF]

Forrest's loss sucked. He didn't look nearly as yoked as he did for the Rampage fight. He should have done more strength work for this fight.

I agree, Evans is a no class act.


Forrest will be back. He will be better. He was laughing it off, but you could tell that he was about to cry. Sometimes losing the title will make a figher incredibly hungry. I believe this will be the case for Forrest.


I think the best fight was the Noguera/Mir fight. Noguera is showing his age but still has plenty of leathal tools left in the bag. I don't think he looked as conditioned as he has in the past. Mir looked stellar. It was his fight. He could have ended it two times before he actually did.

I believe that Lesnar will just smother him, but I can't wait to see that fight. I hope Mir beats him again. I want Lesnar to be forced to change and grow his game as well. I hope he gets submitted again.

Forrest did look off last night. He was holding his own, but wasnt the same fighter that took out ramage.

Evans is a piece of trash. He was an arrogant jackass after landing one good punch on liddell and again last night with the nut kiss. He can go fuck himself. I just cant wait til the day I see him get crushed and lose the title.

Thats what Im thinking with forrest too is that he"ll just train that much harder after this. Look at how gsp lost to serra then came back and absolutely dominated him.

Mir looked virtually flawless last night and he"ll need to be at that level to take out lesnar just because of the sheer size of brock.

And I really hope lesnar gets beat. I like watching him fight, but it pisses me off when fighters only do one thing. All lesnar has is a stand up game and he has proved that. But with being a former ncaa wrestling champ, he really should have a decent ground game, but it doesnt seem like he even tries to improve it.

[Dave]

whole show is bullshit. should be to the death

[Porkchop]

Noguera didnt do shit... he just sat back and let Mir control the pace. I know he said in the pre-fight segment that he was gonna let Mir tire himself out, but when that many quality punches were being landed to his face, Noguera should have stepped it up more than he did....

Griffin showed good sportsmanship going over and congradulating Evans after being taunted and put out....

How about the Cheik Congo nut shot retaliation nut shot???

[OneSickPsycho]

Forrest did look off last night. He was holding his own, but wasnt the same fighter that took out ramage.

Evans is a piece of trash. He was an arrogant jackass after landing one good punch on liddell and again last night with the nut kiss. He can go fuck himself. I just cant wait til the day I see him get crushed and lose the title.

Thats what Im thinking with forrest too is that he"ll just train that much harder after this. Look at how gsp lost to serra then came back and absolutely dominated him.

Mir looked virtually flawless last night and he"ll need to be at that level to take out lesnar just because of the sheer size of brock.

And I really hope lesnar gets beat. I like watching him fight, but it pisses me off when fighters only do one thing. All lesnar has is a stand up game and he has proved that. But with being a former ncaa wrestling champ, he really should have a decent ground game, but it doesnt seem like he even tries to improve it.


I disagree about Lesnar... You go into a fight with a game plan to utilize your skill to exploit your opponent's weakness... I've seen plenty of take-downs from Lesnar and I expect I'll see more. In fact, up until he dropped Couture, I still had questions about his stand-up game. He'll never be a submission artist, but ground & pound is what I expect out of him.

[OneSickPsycho]

Lesnar's first MMA takedown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWQ1AyGUFsQ

Takes down Herring a few times:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ai8wMXF0Hk

You'll note he took down Mir too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoewUuRpipE

[DLIT]

Win or lose they ALL go to the hospital.

Although Rampage is a version 1.0 fighter (like Liddell), he has hands like cinder blocks. Forrest was able to pick him apart and nullify his hands. I think that had the fight gone on longer, Silva would have been able to pick him apart as well. Rampage did what he always does.


Forrest's loss sucked. He didn't look nearly as yoked as he did for the Rampage fight. He should have done more strength work for this fight.

I agree, Evans is a no class act.


Forrest will be back. He will be better. He was laughing it off, but you could tell that he was about to cry. Sometimes losing the title will make a figher incredibly hungry. I believe this will be the case for Forrest.


I think the best fight was the Noguera/Mir fight. Noguera is showing his age but still has plenty of leathal tools left in the bag. I don't think he looked as conditioned as he has in the past. Mir looked stellar. It was his fight. He could have ended it two times before he actually did.

I believe that Lesnar will just smother him, but I can't wait to see that fight. I hope Mir beats him again. I want Lesnar to be forced to change and grow his game as well. I hope he gets submitted again.

He didn't go for his routine after fight check up. He went because he fainted and couldn't get back up when he was in the locker room.

[JoJoYZF]

How about the Cheik Congo nut shot retaliation nut shot???

That was a ridiculous shot.

I disagree about Lesnar... You go into a fight with a game plan to utilize your skill to exploit your opponent's weakness... I've seen plenty of take-downs from Lesnar and I expect I'll see more. In fact, up until he dropped Couture, I still had questions about his stand-up game. He'll never be a submission artist, but ground & pound is what I expect out of him.

But once he gets them to the ground he doesnt do anything. I expected him to be a monster when it comes to ground and pound but he just looks completely out of his element instead.

[OneSickPsycho]

That was a ridiculous shot.



But once he gets them to the ground he doesnt do anything. I expected him to be a monster when it comes to ground and pound but he just looks completely out of his element instead.

I'm pretty sure you haven't ever watched Lesnar fight.

[FT BSTRD]

He DID take down Mir, but he lacks the technical skills that other more rounded fighters possess.

He has far fewer dimensions than Mir. He is much like Rampage in that Jackson doesn't have a very deep pool of BJJ to draw from.

You can see Lesnar's wrestling background in how he fights. It's like watching NCAA wrestling with punches added. That isn't much of a ground game. In the Mir fight, Mir needed to weather the punches long enough to work in a submission. Lesnar has very few tools to prevent a more rounded fighter from submitting him.

You can look at Liddell to see Lesnar's future unless he is able to grow his toolbox. Liddell didn't just get old. His toolbox ran out of tools for which there wasn't a counter. Lesnar is great as long as he gets to hit you first or bulldog the other fighter, but the first time he fights a 265lb fighter with a deep BJJ background and the ability to keep him from bull dogging he's done. In order to be a long standing fighter in MMA, you can't rely solely on "the big punch".

He's big, but beyond that not very technical. If you remember, Mike Tyson was strong, fast, aggressive, and bull dogged folks. If the boxer could weather the initial storm, they would systematically pick Tyson apart.


I don't like Lesnar because he was given a title fight after what 2-3 MMA fights? Yeah it sold PPV subscriptions, but it was shitty to the rest of the crew who had put in the time. Were he 240lbs and not previously a "rassler", he'd not have been given that treatment.

Lesnar is a bull, but not very intertaining to watch. I'd say that you will see a stronger Mir who has studied Lesnar footage and will be ready to evade the initial bulldog routine to control the fight tempo and frustrate Lesnar.

Maybe if Lesnar gets submitted again, he won't be a puss and claim he didn't tap out like he did in the first fight.

[JoJoYZF]

I'm pretty sure you haven't ever watched Lesnar fight.

Are you sure youve ever seen him fight? Read below.

He DID take down Mir, but he lacks the technical skills that other more rounded fighters possess.

He has far fewer dimensions than Mir. He is much like Rampage in that Jackson doesn't have a very deep pool of BJJ to draw from.

You can see Lesnar's wrestling background in how he fights. It's like watching NCAA wrestling with punches added. That isn't much of a ground game. In the Mir fight, Mir needed to weather the punches long enough to work in a submission. Lesnar has very few tools to prevent a more rounded fighter from submitting him.

You can look at Liddell to see Lesnar's future unless he is able to grow his toolbox. Liddell didn't just get old. His toolbox ran out of tools for which there wasn't a counter. Lesnar is great as long as he gets to hit you first or bulldog the other fighter, but the first time he fights a 265lb fighter with a deep BJJ background and the ability to keep him from bull dogging he's done. In order to be a long standing fighter in MMA, you can't rely solely on "the big punch".

He's big, but beyond that not very technical. If you remember, Mike Tyson was strong, fast, aggressive, and bull dogged folks. If the boxer could weather the initial storm, they would systematically pick Tyson apart.


I don't like Lesnar because he was given a title fight after what 2-3 MMA fights? Yeah it sold PPV subscriptions, but it was shitty to the rest of the crew who had put in the time. Were he 240lbs and not previously a "rassler", he'd not have been given that treatment.

Lesnar is a bull, but not very intertaining to watch. I'd say that you will see a stronger Mir who has studied Lesnar footage and will be ready to evade the initial bulldog routine to control the fight tempo and frustrate Lesnar.

Maybe if Lesnar gets submitted again, he won't be a puss and claim he didn't tap out like he did in the first fight.

That covers it very well and is actually a realistic description of lesnar's fighting techniques, not some blind fan analysis.

[marko138]

I'm not really into MMA but even I know Lesnar's ground work isn't up to par...especially with his background.

[JoJoYZF]

I'm not really into MMA but even I know Lesnar's ground work isn't up to par...especially with his background.

Now if only those that pay a good amount of attention could realize that. Im not saying hes not a decent fighter, Im simply saying that beyond his stand up and his few takedowns, he has nothing else in his arsenal. He has no submission skills and very limited weapons as far as a ground game in general. If he works on that he can be pretty good, until then he is basically a boxer in an mma fight.

[marko138]

But he was a wrestler right? He should be good on the mat.

[OneSickPsycho]

So we've gone from Lesnar has no ground game and is all stand up, to Lesnar's ground game is weak because he doesn't have any jujitsu skills.

I submit to you that Lesnar's stand up is not strong, he's just insanely powerful. I also submit to you that he is a monster at taking people down and with his ridiculous power, is able to inflict massive amounts of damage.

I agree with the majority of what FT BSTRD said, but I would not dismiss Lesnar as a stand-up only fighter. The man can take you down and over-power you... At least for now, that's all he needs. The future may be different...

If you get a monster jujitsu guy in there that can match Lesnar's power, then yeah, he'd get smoked. Is Mir powerful enough to stop a thinking Lesnar who doesn't get sloppy? I don't think so.

[OneSickPsycho]

But he was a wrestler right? He should be good on the mat.

He is good on the mat... just as a wrestler.

[marko138]

He is good on the mat... just as a wrestler.
I'm just saying that as a wrestler you would think that would lend itself to a stronger mat game.


Though, I was a wrestler and I was better on my feet.

[JoJoYZF]

So we've gone from Lesnar has no ground game and is all stand up, to Lesnar's ground game is weak because he doesn't have any jujitsu skills.

I submit to you that Lesnar's stand up is not strong, he's just insanely powerful. I also submit to you that he is a monster at taking people down and with his ridiculous power, is able to inflict massive amounts of damage.

I agree with the majority of what FT BSTRD said, but I would not dismiss Lesnar as a stand-up only fighter. The man can take you down and over-power you... At least for now, that's all he needs. The future may be different...

If you get a monster jujitsu guy in there that can match Lesnar's power, then yeah, he'd get smoked. Is Mir powerful enough to stop a thinking Lesnar who doesn't get sloppy? I don't think so.

I think we finally agree on what lesnar is in the octagon. Hes a fucking beast, theres no two ways about it. He has a decent stand up and decent takedowns, and teamed up with his power, its very tough for any opponent to deal with.

[OneSickPsycho]

I'm just saying that as a wrestler you would think that would lend itself to a stronger mat game.


Though, I was a wrestler and I was better on my feet.


Again, it's not that his ground game is weak in particular, it's just that he has no jujitsu skills. Every time I've seen Lesnar on the ground, he's in control. Does he look like he's going to submit anyone? No. Does he look like he's a ground game phenom? No. He's still in control.

I was a terrible wrestler... wish I would have gotten into boxing or something instead. I'm much better on my feet than on my ass.

[Corey]

Again, it's not that his ground game is weak in particular, it's just that he has no jujitsu skills. Every time I've seen Lesnar on the ground, he's in control. Does he look like he's going to submit anyone? No. Does he look like he's a ground game phenom? No. He's still in control.

I was a terrible wrestler... wish I would have gotten into boxing or something instead. I'm much better on my feet than on my ass.

Agreed. Lesnar doesn't have a complete ground game, but he has the size and the wrestling background to control someone on the ground. If his previous fights show anything though, it's that he's making amazing progression in adding in more pieces to make himself a more complete fighter. His fight with Mir was a perfect example of making a rookie mistake and leaving himself completely exposed to submission in spite of appearing to have the upperhand. In his fight against Herring, you could see a far more cautious and calculating fight, with a strategy that seemed to include not putting himself in the same situation again. If anything, the Couture fight showed he could stand and fight. There were so many people who were damn sure the guy couldn't take a punch and that he would fold if even a glancing blow connected. It also showed him continuing to be cautious and find a balance that allows him to exploit his strengths and carefully guard his weaknesses. How he handles Mir in a rematch will go a long way towards showing if he's made actual gains in experience and training, or if he'll be stuck as a gateway fighter.

It was early to give the guy a title shot, but at this point, in that division particularly, who fucking cares? The heavyweight division in UFC was a little thin on name recognition. Past Couture and Lesnar, what do you have? Heath Herring? Big fuckin deal. Cheik Congo? Until this last fight (and even including this last fight really) he's been hit and miss. Half his cards seem to have been on the undercard and not televised. Gabriel Gonzaga? Same thing, hit and miss. He's got a hell of a highlight reel knock out of Mirko Cro Cop, but he's got some ugly losses also. Even Mir has been questionable since his motorcycle accident fucked him all up. It's only now that he's starting to show his old form. Could you honestly put together a fight card that will draw numbers with any of the fighters who is not Couture as the headline? Hell, even Lesnar vs Herring was a co-headliner. So I no longer mind Lesnar having a title shot if it drums up more interest in their weakest division.

[FT BSTRD]

Agreed. Lesnar doesn't have a complete ground game, but he has the size and the wrestling background to control someone on the ground. If his previous fights show anything though, it's that he's making amazing progression in adding in more pieces to make himself a more complete fighter. His fight with Mir was a perfect example of making a rookie mistake and leaving himself completely exposed to submission in spite of appearing to have the upperhand. In his fight against Herring, you could see a far more cautious and calculating fight, with a strategy that seemed to include not putting himself in the same situation again. If anything, the Couture fight showed he could stand and fight. There were so many people who were damn sure the guy couldn't take a punch and that he would fold if even a glancing blow connected. It also showed him continuing to be cautious and find a balance that allows him to exploit his strengths and carefully guard his weaknesses. How he handles Mir in a rematch will go a long way towards showing if he's made actual gains in experience and training, or if he'll be stuck as a gateway fighter.

It was early to give the guy a title shot, but at this point, in that division particularly, who fucking cares? The heavyweight division in UFC was a little thin on name recognition. Past Couture and Lesnar, what do you have? Heath Herring? Big fuckin deal. Cheik Congo? Until this last fight (and even including this last fight really) he's been hit and miss. Half his cards seem to have been on the undercard and not televised. Gabriel Gonzaga? Same thing, hit and miss. He's got a hell of a highlight reel knock out of Mirko Cro Cop, but he's got some ugly losses also. Even Mir has been questionable since his motorcycle accident fucked him all up. It's only now that he's starting to show his old form. Could you honestly put together a fight card that will draw numbers with any of the fighters who is not Couture as the headline? Hell, even Lesnar vs Herring was a co-headliner. So I no longer mind Lesnar having a title shot if it drums up more interest in their weakest division.


I agree. Lesnar was added to provide SOME spark of interest in an otherwise lack luster weight class. Mir is definitely the best of the bunch besides Lesnar. Right now they are the Leonard/Hagler of the UFC heavyweight division.

Without BJJ, MMA is Muay Tai with the permission to tackle someone and punch them while they are down. The dimensionality that BJJ brings is in keeping your opponent on the defensive even when they appear to have the advantage.

I wrestled. Once you got your opponent to his back, the game was over. Lesnar came from that world. He can obviously punch. If he gets a mit on you, you're done. What the fight with Mir shows is that Lesnar hasn't learned how to recognize and defend a submission. It isn't enought just to know how to utilize a BJJ submission. An MMA fighter must also be able to recognize when one is being positioned for implementation. Mir attempted about 6-7 different submissions in their last fight. I doubt that Lesnar recognized ANY of them. Also, if you are most comfortable with punching and wrestling, in a fight you aren't going to call on the one or two "tricks" you have learned. If you start as a BJJ artist, your FIRST thought is "Position, Control, Submission". Lesnar has "get on top and punch" running through his head.

Here are some of the tools Mir has in HIS toolbox:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn6XYIq4Y-Y


Now, how many he CAN use on Lesnar is questionable. Most of these moves are going to be difficult because of Lesnar's size, but Mir is VERY flexible for a heavy weight. Lesnar is not. Lesnar's size is a real hinderance to him becoming a better BJJ fighter. He will never be able to develop the flexibility to do most of the moves of BJJ. Arm locks, leg locks, chokes, sure. He can do those but his mass is going to create some real burdens. Lesnar is like rolling up a phone book vs. rolling up a magazine.

If Lesnar fights a better boxer than him and if he fights someone like Liddell who is great at splaying out against the shot, what has he got? He has no offensive tools. He is left waiting to counter whatever his opponent chooses to do. That is not a very tenable position because you are now letting your opponent dictate how the fight will progress.

What happens if your opponent is as good as you are at shooting in and completing the takedown. What will Lesnar do on his back? How good is he at defending against his guard being passed? What weapons does he have to submit someone from the bottom position? Again, he has to wait for his opponent to make a mistake.

I just see Lesnar as a narrow fighter in a shallow pool of talent. I believe Mir is probably the best in that area. Couture is too old. Again, he is version 1.0. Once you are able to parry his bull run and if you are able to fend off his take down shots, he isn't much else. Were he downsized and in any other weight class, he would be an also ran.

[Lucky3623]

I missed the fights, but caught some highlights. Forrest is a pussy... and will always be in my eyes. No one loses and cries in the cage, unless you retire from a long productive career or your mother just died trying to save you...

I am glad he lost. I, unlike most of you, like Rashaad. Not as a person, I think he is an asshole, but as a fighter. That right hand of his is proven again and again. He is quick, has good ground skills, and has shown deffinite knockout power. I want to see him go against Anderson Silva.

And I can't wait until Frank Mir get's his head pounded in by Lesnar. Not a big Lesnar fan, but I really don't like Mir either, his first few fights after his MC accident sucked, but he seems to have grown some balls since then...

[xx CURVE xx]

Meh.....put all them fuckers on race bikes and see who finishes... :rockout:

[Lucky3623]

I don't know... I dislike CB... I can see how this can me misconstrued as a tap... or vice versa...

[OneSickPsycho]

Fuckin tapped. Tapped so dude would let up... Punk bitch motherfucker.