movin up to a 1000

[BobTheBiker]

I'm movin up from a 600 to a 1000 now. the cbr kinda started to bore the piss outta me, so I'm pickin up a ZX1000A on saturday to replace it. call me nuts but I love classic bikes. as I recall from reading, and others the ZX1000 was a BEAST in its day, and to some degree still is with somewhere round 125-130hp or so stock.

I'm really not too concerned with going absurdly fast but I like the concept of having endless power on demand from 3k straight to 10.5 and just yeah. hell I'm even snagging extra parts and a whole parts bike in the deal. just need some spare cases and I can build 2 extra motors.

pix to come saturday evening after i've organized all my parts and cataloged everything.

[RACER X]

how long did you ride your 600? miles?

[BobTheBiker]

bout 2000 or so, mostly tired of workin on it. its only like my 8'th bike so far totalling somewhere around 12k miles of street time.

[Mr Lefty]

:lol: bob how many bikes you had in the last two years?

[deals gap dragon slayer]

the old zx10s were beasts alright... I rode a late 80's model 900 when i was 14 and it was long and freekin heavy...

[BobTheBiker]

:lol: bob how many bikes you had in the last two years?

lets see.... 87 ZX1000A2(blew motor) 97 EX500, 92 600F2(didnt run) 98 EX500, 89 GS500E 75 CB550K, 92 EX500(biggest turd evar) 87 CBR600F so lets see, thats 8 bikes so far. these will be #'s 9 and 10, once I get the 2nd 1000 titled and registered for the road.

I think over the course of owning so many bikes I've learned quite a bit about fixin em, and how to maneuver better.

this is not countin the ninja 250, RD250, ZX10R, and GSXR600 SRAD I've been on, plus the CB650 I've repaired and ridden.

[Mr Lefty]

:lol: that's what I was think'n... awesome

[BobTheBiker]

best part is, I'll have PLENTY of extra parts to work out adaptation of 17" rims and radial tires for this monstrosity. I mean I'm gettin a complete bike, a parts bike that I'm gonna build and title for the road, and most of a third bike, minus fuel tank and frame/bodywork.

[Mr Lefty]

I say by this time next year you're just building a frakinstein bike :lol:

[BobTheBiker]

perhaps. havent decided. a 1000 is pretty much the biggest I feel I should get. busas are a bit overkill for me.

[Mr Lefty]

if you do a lot of road trips I'd say no... but just riding around town... yeah

[BobTheBiker]

even for longer trips, I cant justify a busa. I dislike how they look pretty much, the newer ones look ok, but I'm not real big on the older ones at all. I seriously think the new busa needs a gix 1k tail to really make it look cleaner.

cant even STAND looking at a zx14, those things are hideous.

I'll take a 1000 from the 80's over those any day. no they're not clean and sharp lookin like a NEW 1000, but I like the look of the 86/87 zx10 model. to me, they're not perfect, but they certainly dont look too bad. signals build into the bodywork, and a design that really isnt half bad in all honesty. cant complain when you've got a volt meter built into your tach so you can push a button for volts, release and you see your RPM, fuel gauge, and the standard indicator lights. cosmetically its everything I want with nothing I dont.

[Mr Lefty]

yeah I hear ya... I like the Yamaha FJR1300 but it's more sportTOURING... and the Busa is more SPORTtouring... if ya get my drift... I like the busa... yeah not crazy about the looks... the new ones look better... but they still look insanely overweight... but maybe that's cause they are... :lol:

I like the old ZX12R or the CBR1000xx

[BobTheBiker]

Now, were it not for the notorious CCT thing all CBR's in the 600/1000 family are notorious for, I'd fall in love with the 1100XX. I think honestly they're a rock solid bike. I'm not worried at all about how sporty/toury a bike is, long as it gets me from A to B and lets me take a few turns in between. eventually I'm probably gonna spend some dough on a motard though for those absolute GOTTA DO THIS moments.

[Tmall]

Now, were it not for the notorious CCT thing all CBR's in the 600/1000 family are notorious for, I'd fall in love with the 1100XX. I think honestly they're a rock solid bike. I'm not worried at all about how sporty/toury a bike is, long as it gets me from A to B and lets me take a few turns in between. eventually I'm probably gonna spend some dough on a motard though for those absolute GOTTA DO THIS moments.

I've only ever heard of that effecting the F4i's. I thought they sorted it out after that?

[BobTheBiker]

the CCT issue was all 600's up to the F4i I think, and the 1000F models, plus the 1100XX. I think the 900's and 600/1000RRs didnt/dont have the problem.

[No Worries]

The old ZX-10 is a great bike, but if you can find one, the ZX-11 is even better. Just need upgraded brakes and suspension. You wouldn't have to do anything to the engine and still beat almost every new bike.

[HRCNICK11]

I get bored on the big bikes at least you have to shift on the little bikes. Don't get me wrong I loved the torque of the RC51 but I could break every US speed limit in first gear If I hit second hard I was going to jail not traffic court.

To be honest the DRZ400SM is a fun bike and its got the least power in my garage cept for the 150R. Nothing like having a bike that bonces when it hits the ground and slides into every corner with out worry of a high side. I can't ride a 600 on the street anymore cause I have learned to slide the tard and ride like a total loon on a 600 now. I got to where I can turn a 180 in one lane (1/2 the road) all on the rear brake. My friend about shit when I did it in his drive way on my SV650. Dirtbike bars on a street bike.......BAD good but BAD!

[BobTheBiker]

different strokes right? I'm glad I'm picking a bike that was bad ass in the day and still is. I've considered the ZX11, but not a big fan of it. the 1000 just looks slimmer and smoother.


HRC, your abilities are pretty impressive if you can do a complete 180 in one lane on a bike. I use mine for daily transit/general grunt duty, toting tools and whoever I'm dating around, ya dig? mega sex points for me for being able to work on my own bikes.

[HRCNICK11]

Just takes practice I learned it on a KTM450SMR on a dirt road by mistake it was going to be a 90 but I had extra speed and it turned into a 180. After that I just played around and tried it on the SV a few times then the F4 on pavement. Its all about baby steps and making sure no one in followig you.

Oh and with the sport bikes once you get on the rear brake you need to stay on it once you pass 90 degrees or you'll testing your outside leg.

[BobTheBiker]

yeah, I can imagine so. methinks I'll just stick to non hooliganism riding.

[Cutty72]

I'm movin up from a 600 to a 1000 now. the cbr kinda started to bore the piss outta me, so I'm pickin up a ZX1000A on saturday to replace it. call me nuts but I love classic bikes. as I recall from reading, and others the ZX1000 was a BEAST in its day, and to some degree still is with somewhere round 125-130hp or so stock.

I'm really not too concerned with going absurdly fast but I like the concept of having endless power on demand from 3k straight to 10.5 and just yeah. hell I'm even snagging extra parts and a whole parts bike in the deal. just need some spare cases and I can build 2 extra motors.

pix to come saturday evening after i've organized all my parts and cataloged everything.


Good luck man, hope you enjoy it.

Ever try a Vtwin for what you're looking for?

[BobTheBiker]

I"ve thought about a V twin, but I'm not a big fan of 2 cylinder bikes. I love the I4 growl and the roar of one at full bore. its like having a 454 big block with a blower.

[Cutty72]

I"ve thought about a V twin, but I'm not a big fan of 2 cylinder bikes. I love the I4 growl and the roar of one at full bore. its like having a 454 big block with a blower.

sorry... never heard any I4 bike sound ANYTHING like a 454...

[BobTheBiker]

the feeling I get is about the same, even if they dont really sound even close to the same. I dont know how to describe my love of the carbed I4 motor's sound. I'm not sure exactly what it is, but its something special that I love. you should hear a 75 CB550 runnin a 4:1 header and nothing else, its pretty sweet, even if it is loud.

[HRCNICK11]

The Vmax is one of the best sounding bikes made! V4s rule. V-twins are more like big blocks Tons of torqe. The in line fours are more quick reving like a small block.

[BobTheBiker]

I wouldnt complain about having a Vmax, but they just arent the do everything bike I want.

oh well, when I get the 1000 I'll be a very very happy person just to have a toy.

[BobTheBiker]

Just thought everyone might like an update. I've got both bikes home, along with 8 boxes of parts, 8 large boxes no less. I learned I've got a complete lockset to one bike, no keys for the other(yet) a corbin saddle for one of them, and an undetermined number of extra parts so far. oh yeah, and a MONSTROSITY of a 630 chain on each bike. holyfuckingshit thats a BEEFY CHAIN.

[Cutty72]

630!!!!
Damn, didn't know any bike wore that chain? Thought 530 was heavy for bikes.

[BobTheBiker]

530 is for modern big bikes. Old school Ninja muscle wears 630 to say dont fuck with me.

I'm in the process of rebuilding a motor right now, and its painfully obvious that 2 of 3 cranks at least are no good as whoever last rode this thing NEVER changed the oil which is clearly evidenced by the smell of burnt oil I got when I took the conrods off the crank, well the 3 that remained. 1 was well on its way to severe failure, the other two show major signs of bearing wear. thankfully I have a set of fresh rods with brand spanking new bearings on them which are going to be used. I dont want to screw up my passion and rebuild my bike 20 times.

[marko138]

You're an animal buddy.

[No Worries]

630!!!!
Damn, didn't know any bike wore that chain? Thought 530 was heavy for bikes.
630 chain is heavy. But also super-strong and long-lived. As long as you keep it lubed. My 79 Suzuki GS1000 has the stock 630 O-ring chain.

[BobTheBiker]

I guess I'll take that as a compliment. I'm in the process now of assembling the motor so I've got one that runs at least.

[HRCNICK11]

Man I hope you are getting these bikes in boxes for free or near free. I got a perfectly working sv650 for $2400. It had a dent in the tank and some scatches but it ran and did not show up with anything to put together.

I mean I just hope your not paying good money for all this work your doing.

[OneSickPsycho]

the CCT issue was all 600's up to the F4i I think, and the 1000F models, plus the 1100XX. I think the 900's and 600/1000RRs didnt/dont have the problem.

Superhawks had the same issue... I remember reading lots about it when I was researching them as a potential purchase.

:nothing:

[BobTheBiker]

Man I hope you are getting these bikes in boxes for free or near free. I got a perfectly working sv650 for $2400. It had a dent in the tank and some scatches but it ran and did not show up with anything to put together.

I mean I just hope your not paying good money for all this work your doing.
nah, didnt pay more than $70 for a friend to take me up to get em in his truck. I right now have the motor DONE and ready to be mounted, I'm just having a hard time with the installing it in the bike part for whatever reason.

but its a BEASTLY machine honestly. I have this feeling its going to be a damned rolling couch with the stock bars, and corbin seat I've got. I"m going to rock this motherfucker all across the land for certain.

No Worries, you're absolutely right about the long lived part. I think the 630 chain I've got, well all 3 of them, are the originals for each bike. one set of sprockets/chain shows its worn out, but the good bike's chain/sprocket set looks good to me, like its got a long life left before I need to replace it. Anyone know where I can get 630 O Ring chains new for UNDER $660? yes OEM 630 chains list for that freakin much.

[DLIT]

I thought I was gonna bump to a 1k one day. then i did a track day on my 600. I'll never need a 1k.

[HRCNICK11]

Most of the time you can mount the back of the engine and then tilt up. I have also on a track bike layed the engine on its side and then layed the bike on top of it and picked them both up after the engine was in.

You may want to look into a chain kit that is a different size a 520 with steel front and rear would hold that engine it does not have that much power by todays standards.

[BobTheBiker]

tilting the rear motor mount in first was my original intent, doesnt work cause the shifter shaft hits the frame first, and laying this thing on its side is much easier said than done, this thing weighs 600 pounds and is topheavy.

I dont plan to convert to a 520 chain, I really feel its WAY TOO light for this motor. by todays standards this thing is still powerful to me. 70+ft/lb of torque is nothing to laugh at I dont think. and yes this bike actually has that much torque, no 520 for me. plus I have a hell of a time finding anything other than 530 conversion sprockets for this thing.

[No Worries]

...plus I have a hell of a time finding anything other than 530 conversion sprockets for this thing.

My Motion Pro Jumbo chain breaker only goes up to 530. I'll probably go with a 530 conversion if I have to.

[BobTheBiker]

I got a dremel and some special tools, I'm good.

[dReWpY]

i think you mean a 530 chain...

[BobTheBiker]

i think you mean a 530 chain...

No, I do mean 630. the little chain in this picture is a rather heavy duty RK 530 chain. note how puny it looks when compared to the rollers on a 630?

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f90/automechanic/100_1708.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f90/automechanic/100_1704.jpg

[Dnyce]

all the chain companies make a 630, fuck oem. go with did or rk, or whatever your personal choice is. ek, regina, etc.

they came with 630's back in the day cuz chain tech wasnt as good as it is now. a 530 conversion would shed some weight, and be just as strong if not stronger than the oem 630. but its not needed if you already got both sprockets and chain all in gd condition.

[marko138]

That 630 is a beast....but Im with the majority. 70 ft lbs...good numbers...but a modern day 520 would laugh at that. Chains are pretty damn strong now a days. But you gotta do what you gotta do.

[HRCNICK11]

My RC51 has 70 foot/pounds also and came stock with a 530. People use 520 on them all the time. The only weak link in a 520 kit is the alum. rear sprocket. If you used a steel rear sprocket there will not be a weak link.

That being said the 530 will work great and be lighter than stock.

I have had trouble and know others that have had trouble with RK chains. The rollers fall off them and leave just the pin. They also do not stand by there warranty at all. Avoid RK like Like your life depends on it my chain broke o the highway in traffic. It had 10 rollers missing and had been inspected and lubed less than 1 hour before it fell apart.

I have used EK and DID with no problems at all.

[BobTheBiker]

I may do a 530 conversion eventually, I'm just not certain when. I like the appearance of beef on a bike like mine, not really sure why, but everything about it says beefy mofo.

[dReWpY]

kills your gasmilage, think of all that weight...

[BobTheBiker]

coming from the guy who gets a whopping 18mpg on his rc? just playin man.

smallest conversion kit I can get is a 530 chain for this bike. not that I mind anyhow, I dont feel comfortable with a 520 on my bike.

[dReWpY]

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