If your neighbor has wireless...

[Captain Morgan]

with no password, do you say "hell with paying for internet" and just use the free connection?

Oh, and if I'm using said connection, can my neighbor figure out what sites I'm viewing and what I'm typing, etc.?

[OneSickPsycho]

I've done it... Connection reliability drove me to paying for my own connection.

[Trip]

If they are stupid enough not to protect their network, I don't think you have to worry about getting caught.

[Amorok]

Actually, your neighbor can see what sites you've been on, and if you do something that makes them notice you they can seriously fuck you up. I had unsecured internet and then a neighbor in a rental property started doing all kinds of retarded shit. My network is secure now, and you can chalk one laptop up to Black Ice. You pays your money or you takes your chances.

[SoFlaSV]

I'm doing it right now.:rockout:

[Captain Morgan]

Actually, your neighbor can see what sites you've been on, and if you do something that makes them notice you they can seriously fuck you up. I had unsecured internet and then a neighbor in a rental property started doing all kinds of retarded shit. My network is secure now, and you can chalk one laptop up to Black Ice. You pays your money or you takes your chances.

Well, I'm not doing any retarded shit. I'm just going on the net, on forums like these. I don't do anything financial since I'm on an unsecure connection. What kind of shit was your neighbor doing?

[Rider]

Wireless routers do not maintain a history of the website you have visited. Those are only stored on the local computer or in the case of a network, the server. Captain, you are fine, nobody will know what pron sites you visit. :dthumb: The only thing that they will notice is a slow down in their dl speed.

[Amorok]

I called my ISP to find out what sites my IP was accessing, lots of AdultFriendFinder, some cheap tranny porn. He was also hijacking my bittorrent bandwidth and seeding bullshit I didn't download. I fucked that guy up.

[Captain Morgan]

Wireless routers do not maintain a history of the website you have visited. Those are only stored on the local computer or in the case of a network, the server. Captain, you are fine, nobody will know what pron sites you visit. :dthumb: The only thing that they will notice is a slow down in their dl speed.

Not looking at porn on the net, I discovered long ago that it was all laced with shit I didn't want on my computer. I just go the old fashioned route and buy DVD's when I feel I need something new.

I called my ISP to find out what sites my IP was accessing, lots of AdultFriendFinder, some cheap tranny porn. He was also hijacking my bittorrent bandwidth and seeding bullshit I didn't download. I fucked that guy up.


None of that for me, including the bittorent shit. Just chatting with folks on forums, looking at sports, shit like that. Doubt he'll even notice a difference.

[umairhashmi]

i only do it when my net connection goes down but it seems SOO slow its not even funny. Not really something worth stealing imo.

[Porkchop]

When i had a appt in newark, we prolly had people feeding off of us for half a year or more. We ended up finding out that these girls were leeching off of us by my roommates ipod software. Her name kept popping up in the ipod shared section.

[AquaPython]

i had worthless neighbors doing that to me and sapping my speed. i had to run unsecured for something on my network at the time.

[fatbuckRTO]

It is stealing. "They're using an unsecured network" is about as good an excuse as "they left the door unlocked."

I'm wondering if I'll catch any flak when I take all of the old two-wire wiring to scrap after ripping it out of a house I'm working on. But fuck it, I have the right to the wiring, so they can kiss my ass.

But you probably have a right to free internet too.

[askmrjesus]

with no password, do you say "hell with paying for internet" and just use the free connection?

I think you're suppopsed to pay for it instead of stealing it.

It's a commandment thing.

Seriously though, if you need advice on petty theft, RacerX is the guy to talk to...

JC

[Captain Morgan]

It is stealing. "They're using an unsecured network" is about as good an excuse as "they left the door unlocked."

I'm wondering if I'll catch any flak when I take all of the old two-wire wiring to scrap after ripping it out of a house I'm working on. But fuck it, I have the right to the wiring, so they can kiss my ass.

But you probably have a right to free internet too.

Wow, I guess I should have been more clear in the post you quoted. The house I'm working on is MY house. I bought the house, so yes, I have a right to the wiring.

And as for the internet, rather than the door being unlocked, it's more like the door is unlocked and they have a sign out that says, "my stuff is free for you to use, just as long as I still have complete access to it also."
I think you're suppopsed to pay for it instead of stealing it.

It's a commandment thing.

Seriously though, if you need advice on petty theft, RacerX is the guy to talk to...

JC

Is it really petty theft in your eyes? They're broadcasting a connection. It's like McDonald's, or some coffee shop wifi. It's just out there, being broadcast for everyone within a certain radius.

[Amorok]

Yeah, but McCallister's and Starbucks offers it specifically for you to use gratis to draw in customers. These people pay for it for their own personal and expect it to be that way. Why not tap off of their cable TV or water line too? Do what you want but if I find out you're tapping off mine you will seriously have a laptop shaped paperweight. You can easily obtain programs that will slag your hard drive, CPU, RAM, and wireless RT. Seriously, this shit's easy to get all I do is call a guy and you're out your laptop.

[2up]

Wow, I guess I should have been more clear in the post you quoted. The house I'm working on is MY house. I bought the house, so yes, I have a right to the wiring.

And as for the internet, rather than the door being unlocked, it's more like the door is unlocked and they have a sign out that says, "my stuff is free for you to use, just as long as I still have complete access to it also."


Is it really petty theft in your eyes? They're broadcasting a connection. It's like McDonald's, or some coffee shop wifi. It's just out there, being broadcast for everyone within a certain radius.


Coffee shops with WiFi undoubtedly know the risk they are assuming in non-patrons of their establishment using their service. I imagine they take some measures to limit their exposure. And patrons are paying for coffee, etc, and in exchange get to use the internet.

This to me is no different than stealing cable by running a line to your house from the source. Your neighbors might be naieve to assume their bandwidth won't be used if they don't secure their network, but that doesn't mean they deserve to pay for your internet usage.

[askmrjesus]

Is it really petty theft in your eyes? They're broadcasting a connection. It's like McDonald's, or some coffee shop wifi. It's just out there, being broadcast for everyone within a certain radius.

Does your neighbor advertise a free connection for anyone that wants it, like McDonalds does?

Are you offering your neighbor some sort of compensation for the loss in connection speed that was mentioned previously?

If not, then yes it's theft.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors isp connection. (It's on page 83)

JC

[PhiSig1071]

FYI in Florida that can be punished as a felony. Don't know about your state.

[Flexin]

My laptop will sometimes connect to one of my neighbors. I hate it when it happens because its slow as hell. Thats how I know I'm not connected to mine. It only happened once in the last month or so.

I have checked sports scores at my sisters place with my laptop when some is on her computer. Mine was unsecured for a while. If there was a way I could set it up so someone could use it and not screw with my shit I wouldn't really care.

I was on one day and then a box popped up letting me know someone connected to my network. I left it alone for about 5 minutes or so then worried they would screw with shit so I gave them the boot.

James

[derf]

My laptop gets on my neigbors network sometimes randomly, and the connection sucks because they are too far away.

Now I do steal wifi on a regular basis, mostly when I travel and I need something, I just pull into a hotel parking lot and ask the front desk if they have wifi, or park outside a mcdonalds or something along those lines.

[Flexin]

My laptop gets on my neigbors network sometimes randomly, and the connection sucks because they are too far away.

Now I do steal wifi on a regular basis, mostly when I travel and I need something, I just pull into a hotel parking lot and ask the front desk if they have wifi, or park outside a mcdonalds or something along those lines.

I was driving one day looking for a business. I must have wrote the number down wrong. I happened to have my laptop on me so I turned it on and at every light I would look over and hit refresh. Found a connection by a gas station so I pulled in to the parking lot, looked up the address and was on my way. I think it was a business that had it open because I don't think I would have found a signal from the houses, they were not close enough. I was happy they had it open.

James

[Papa_Complex]

with no password, do you say "hell with paying for internet" and just use the free connection?

Oh, and if I'm using said connection, can my neighbor figure out what sites I'm viewing and what I'm typing, etc.?

Others have said it, but I will too. It's 'theft of service' and 'computer trespass.'

If you were on my network not only could I tell what sites you were surfing, I could also likely walk right into your computer and have anything that I wanted from you. After all, you'd be inside my network.

Muhuhahahahahaha!

No, I'm not exaggerating for comedic effect.

[Smittie61984]

Why not tap off of their cable TV or water line too?

I work for a Sub of AT&T. I normally work with the ariel trucks but often I work with dig crews. We see people steal some crazy stuff as we dig for phone cable.

Cable is the most stolen. But we've seen people steal gas, electric, water, etc.

One guy tapped into a 6" gas main and fed it to his house. No fucking clue how he did it. When you bust a 6" main that shit flys out like crazy. But I've seen them tap into water mains too. One guy rigged up a system that allowed water to flow around the meter. But he put in a much smaller tubing to his water meter so that he had some water flowing through but not his normal. Guy was operating a 6bedroom house for probably the cost of a trailer.

Saw another guy steal water from his neighbors irrigation system.

People go to amazing lengths to steal shit.

As for stealing internet. Man up, and get your own stinkin internet. Then secure the bitch and enjoy watching pron at lightspeeds.

[fatbuckRTO]

Wow, I guess I should have been more clear in the post you quoted. The house I'm working on is MY house. I bought the house, so yes, I have a right to the wiring.I'm sorry if I misunderstood, but if it's your house it's your wiring, so who would have possibly had a problem with you taking your own wiring?

And as for the internet, rather than the door being unlocked, it's more like the door is unlocked and they have a sign out that says, "my stuff is free for you to use, just as long as I still have complete access to it also."


Is it really petty theft in your eyes? They're broadcasting a connection. It's like McDonald's, or some coffee shop wifi. It's just out there, being broadcast for everyone within a certain radius.

Not unless they actually have a sign out saying "my internet connection is free for you to use." Even over wifi you only have so much bandwidth per connection, so if you're using your neighbor's bandwidth that's bandwidth that your neighbor is paying for that he cannot use. The fact that he's ignorant of network security is irrelevant.

McDonald's is broadcasting a connection with the express purpose of allowing customers to use it. Your neighbor is broadcasting a connection with the express purpose of using it himself. Unless you work something out with him personally, it's stealing.

[Porkchop]

I work for a Sub of AT&T. I normally work with the ariel trucks but often I work with dig crews. We see people steal some crazy stuff as we dig for phone cable.

Cable is the most stolen. But we've seen people steal gas, electric, water, etc.

One guy tapped into a 6" gas main and fed it to his house. No fucking clue how he did it. When you bust a 6" main that shit flys out like crazy. But I've seen them tap into water mains too. One guy rigged up a system that allowed water to flow around the meter. But he put in a much smaller tubing to his water meter so that he had some water flowing through but not his normal. Guy was operating a 6bedroom house for probably the cost of a trailer.

Saw another guy steal water from his neighbors irrigation system.

People go to amazing lengths to steal shit.

As for stealing internet. Man up, and get your own stinkin internet. Then secure the bitch and enjoy watching pron at lightspeeds.

My old roommate said the same thing.... he works for Cincinnati Bell on the dig crew. He said hes seen some crazy shit done... just to spit some fucking cable....

[marko138]

You guys are funny.

[dReWpY]

wow... just wow....


capt. I do when mine shits out or some other reason, and i bet most of the ppl here have done it atleast once in there life, if on accident or on purpose, its not a pay per unit volume, so who gives a shit?!

[tallywacker]

Truckers steal internet religeously. They will drive around areas and park the trucks for the night where the can steal a connection. Doesn't take long at all to find one.

[Papa_Complex]

Truckers steal internet religeously. They will drive around areas and park the trucks for the night where the can steal a connection. Doesn't take long at all to find one.

Must be an American thing. My trucker friends all have cellular internet.

[tallywacker]

Must be an American thing. My trucker friends all have cellular internet.

Well cellular internet has just started to take off in the US. The few I know are addicted to WoW and EVE online and I dont know if the cellular bandwidth is enough to run that or not.

[Papa_Complex]

Well cellular internet has just started to take off in the US. The few I know are addicted to WoW and EVE online and I dont know if the cellular bandwidth is enough to run that or not.

Not as fast as cable, but pretty damned quick. We aren't talking dialup speeds here.

[Rider]

During the NFL regular season, me and a few buddies go up to Buffalo Wild wings every Monday night and they are constantly checking their fantasy stats during the game. God damn losers. LOL

[Avatard]

If you get a wireless endpoint, you can plug it into a router, and redistribute the "gleeped" signal throughout YOUR house.

Not that I'm condoning such a thing...

:whistle:

[Smittie61984]

My old roommate said the same thing.... he works for Cincinnati Bell on the dig crew. He said hes seen some crazy shit done... just to spit some fucking cable....

You should have seen some shit I saw today at work. When I get to work they tell me to head out on a cut cable that was aerial. I figured they mean a car smacked hte pole which happens often.

Anyways, when I get out there, we notice that the pole is fine and we knew the whole thing was aerial so there was no underground cable to cut. No one knew what was going on. I noticed it was a new green pole and that it had hook marks on it. It was right next to the road so power, cable, and phone had easy access with a truck. Then we notice a trench line.

Some fucker took some copper cable and buried it to his house. He then ran it up the telephone pole and cleated it like we would have. And then tried to splice it into fiberoptic. Damn, man. With climbing skills he could get a job at AT&T. If he coudl figure out the difference between copper and fiber.

[Captain Morgan]

wow... just wow....


capt. I do when mine shits out or some other reason, and i bet most of the ppl here have done it atleast once in there life, if on accident or on purpose, its not a pay per unit volume, so who gives a shit?!

Exactly. I could understand the "theft" line if the guy was paying for a certain amount of bandwidth, or MB downloaded or some other shit, but nothing in this town charges like that.

[Papa_Complex]

Exactly. I could understand the "theft" line if the guy was paying for a certain amount of bandwidth, or MB downloaded or some other shit, but nothing in this town charges like that.

I don't know about down there, but up here I've got a monthly bandwidth limit and I pay if I go over it.

[Captain Morgan]

I don't know about down there, but up here I've got a monthly bandwidth limit and I pay if I go over it.

It's not that way here. If it was, I would agree that it's stealing and I wouldn't do it.

[Papa_Complex]

It's not that way here. If it was, I would agree that it's stealing and I wouldn't do it.

And what about the "computer trespass" aspect?

*EDIT* And are you SURE it doesn't work that way up there? After all, you don't have your own account ;)

[dReWpY]

fucking awesome

[2up]

And what about the "computer trespass" aspect?

*EDIT* And are you SURE it doesn't work that way up there? After all, you don't have your own account ;)


Its probably not that way there. The only places I know of that are that way are much smaller cities/towns. I know Cori ran into that problem when she moved from a city to the middle of nowhere.

Either way though, if you don't pay for a service or use the service that someone else is paying for, its still stealing, IMO.

[Papa_Complex]

Its probably not that way there. The only places I know of that are that way are much smaller cities/towns. I know Cori ran into that problem when she moved from a city to the middle of nowhere.

Either way though, if you don't pay for a service or use the service that someone else is paying for, its still stealing, IMO.

I agree. If you walk into someone's back yard and take the apples off their tree for 5 years it doesn't matter if they never eat them, themselves. It's still stealing.

[Particle Man]

Yet another reason why my wireless network connection is secured :lol:

[OneSickPsycho]

I agree. If you walk into someone's back yard and take the apples off their tree for 5 years it doesn't matter if they never eat them, themselves. It's still stealing.

Apples are quantifiable... problem is, the performance lost is hard to measure... again, if they aren't being charged by bandwidth used... then good luck determining the punishment...

[fatbuckRTO]

Where does it end? When my wife was growing up they had an apricot tree in their back yard, which was fenced in with cinderblock (common in west Texas and New Mexico). The tree poked over the fence, and they tried to make it clear to their neighbors that any apricots over the fence were free to take. That wasn't enough, and she eventually lost count of how many people jumped the fence into their back yard to take apricots.

If you're going to use his internet connection, why not go ahead and splice off his cable? There's no lock on the wires, right? He must not care about cable security, and he'll never notice. Why not tap into his water line? I mean, he's already got to pay his own water bill anyway, he won't mind a little extra. And like I said, if he didn't want you to he would have locked that shit.

And next time he goes to the grocery store, might as well spring a couple bags when he leaves the trunk open. He would have closed it if he didn't want you to take anything.

[fatbuckRTO]

Apples are quantifiable... problem is, the performance lost is hard to measure... again, if they aren't being charged by bandwidth used... then good luck determining the punishment...

Is punishment the only question? Who gives a fuck if performance lost is hard to measure, it's still performance lost that wouldn't have been if you weren't stealing the guy's internet connection.

Sure, we generally don't pay by bandwidth used here, but we still only have so much per connection. If I'm paying for a connection, which has a certain limit of bandwidth due to physical realities, I expect to be able to use that full limit. I shouldn't have to secure my connection. The only reason I do is because of people who don't understand that stealing is wrong, no matter the scope.

[2up]

So let me ask those of you who don't think this is an issue because the connection isn't secure. Last week I went shopping and one of the things I put in my basket was short curtain rods. I thought I had put all my stuff on the counter, cashier rung me up, I paid, and pushed my cart out of the store. When I started to take my things out of the cart, I realized I hadn't seen, thus not taken out and paid for, the curtain rods. Would it have been OK for me to just leave without paying since the cashier didn't notice either? Would it be HER fault if I chose to be dishonest because she missed something?

(FWIW, I went back in and paid for them.)

[Smittie61984]

(FWIW, I went back in and paid for them.)

:rockwoot::pat::dthumb:

[askmrjesus]

A failure to determine an appropriate punishment is a poor excuse for taking something that doesn't belong to you.

It's either yours or it isn't.

The fact that the Cap'n had to ask the question in the first place, would seem to suggest that he already has doubts, would it not?

In my experience, people who ask if they should get away with something, are just looking for validation from their peers as a way to assuage the guilt they're feeling.

JC

[fasternyou929]

During the NFL regular season, me and a few buddies go up to Buffalo Wild wings every Monday night and they are constantly checking their fantasy stats during the game. God damn losers. LOL

Off-topic, but I was visiting family in MI about 6-7 years ago and checked out a new BWW. I asked what their hottest wings were, and had a big plate of their Blazin' wings.

I think my tongue is still a little swollen but most of the feeling has returned to my lips. I never knew pain had a taste... :lol:

[Sanchez]

Oh, and if I'm using said connection, can my neighbor figure out what sites I'm viewing and what I'm typing, etc.?

The short answer is yes. Anything you send across an unsecured wireless network is visible not only to your neighbor but to everyone within range of your PC. Also, depending on what state you're in, it might be illegal. Some states have a malicious intent clause, and it's only a crime if you connect with the intention of causing harm. Others make the access illegal regardless of intent.

If you really want to have some fun, you should setup your own wireless router so his PC will connect to your network. Then you can alter his internet traffic. I'd go for something subtle like introducing occasional random profanity into his outgoing emails.

[Papa_Complex]

Apples are quantifiable... problem is, the performance lost is hard to measure... again, if they aren't being charged by bandwidth used... then good luck determining the punishment...

Apples are quantifiable, if you choose to quantify them. So is internet bandwidth.

Is punishment the only question? Who gives a fuck if performance lost is hard to measure, it's still performance lost that wouldn't have been if you weren't stealing the guy's internet connection.

Sure, we generally don't pay by bandwidth used here, but we still only have so much per connection. If I'm paying for a connection, which has a certain limit of bandwidth due to physical realities, I expect to be able to use that full limit. I shouldn't have to secure my connection. The only reason I do is because of people who don't understand that stealing is wrong, no matter the scope.

I was thinking of theft of cable TV. They don't bother to figure out if you bothered to watch anything. It's too hard to quantify what you've used, so they just nail you with the maximum charge for basic service.

The short answer is yes. Anything you send across an unsecured wireless network is visible not only to your neighbor but to everyone within range of your PC. Also, depending on what state you're in, it might be illegal. Some states have a malicious intent clause, and it's only a crime if you connect with the intention of causing harm. Others make the access illegal regardless of intent.

If you really want to have some fun, you should setup your own wireless router so his PC will connect to your network. Then you can alter his internet traffic. I'd go for something subtle like introducing occasional random profanity into his outgoing emails.

I just found the answer WRT computer trespass in Indiana. No requirement for malicious intent.:

IC 35-43-2-3
Computer trespass
Sec. 3. (a) As used in this section:
"Access" means to:
(1) approach;
(2) instruct;
(3) communicate with;
(4) store data in;
(5) retrieve data from; or
(6) make use of resources of;
a computer, computer system, or computer network.
"Computer network" means the interconnection of communication lines or wireless telecommunications with a computer or wireless telecommunication device through:
(1) remote terminals;
(2) a complex consisting of two (2) or more interconnected computers; or
(3) a worldwide collection of interconnected networks operating as the Internet.
"Computer system" means a set of related computer equipment, software, or hardware.
(b) A person who knowingly or intentionally accesses:
(1) a computer system;
(2) a computer network; or
(3) any part of a computer system or computer network;
without the consent of the owner of the computer system or computer network, or the consent of the owner's licensee, commits computer trespass, a Class A misdemeanor.

[Captain Morgan]

Where does it end? When my wife was growing up they had an apricot tree in their back yard, which was fenced in with cinderblock (common in west Texas and New Mexico). The tree poked over the fence, and they tried to make it clear to their neighbors that any apricots over the fence were free to take. That wasn't enough, and she eventually lost count of how many people jumped the fence into their back yard to take apricots.

If you're going to use his internet connection, why not go ahead and splice off his cable? There's no lock on the wires, right? He must not care about cable security, and he'll never notice. Why not tap into his water line? I mean, he's already got to pay his own water bill anyway, he won't mind a little extra. And like I said, if he didn't want you to he would have locked that shit.

And next time he goes to the grocery store, might as well spring a couple bags when he leaves the trunk open. He would have closed it if he didn't want you to take anything.

Big difference is that there is no charge for bandwidth usage, whereas there is a charge for water and gas usage. Cable theft requires physical effort, cutting wires and splicing them, etc.

A failure to determine an appropriate punishment is a poor excuse for taking something that doesn't belong to you.

It's either yours or it isn't.

The fact that the Cap'n had to ask the question in the first place, would seem to suggest that he already has doubts, would it not?

In my experience, people who ask if they should get away with something, are just looking for validation from their peers as a way to assuage the guilt they're feeling.

JC

I asked the question mainly because I wanted to find out if he can view everything I'm doing. Based on the below response, he can, if he wants to.

The short answer is yes. Anything you send across an unsecured wireless network is visible not only to your neighbor but to everyone within range of your PC. Also, depending on what state you're in, it might be illegal. Some states have a malicious intent clause, and it's only a crime if you connect with the intention of causing harm. Others make the access illegal regardless of intent.

If you really want to have some fun, you should setup your own wireless router so his PC will connect to your network. Then you can alter his internet traffic. I'd go for something subtle like introducing occasional random profanity into his outgoing emails.

I would never do anything like that, unless I was pulling a simple prank on someone that I was great friends with and I would tell them about it shortly after.

Apples are quantifiable, if you choose to quantify them. So is internet bandwidth.



I was thinking of theft of cable TV. They don't bother to figure out if you bothered to watch anything. It's too hard to quantify what you've used, so they just nail you with the maximum charge for basic service.



I just found the answer WRT computer trespass in Indiana. No requirement for malicious intent.:

IC 35-43-2-3
Computer trespass
Sec. 3. (a) As used in this section:
"Access" means to:
(1) approach;
(2) instruct;
(3) communicate with;
(4) store data in;
(5) retrieve data from; or
(6) make use of resources of;
a computer, computer system, or computer network.
"Computer network" means the interconnection of communication lines or wireless telecommunications with a computer or wireless telecommunication device through:
(1) remote terminals;
(2) a complex consisting of two (2) or more interconnected computers; or
(3) a worldwide collection of interconnected networks operating as the Internet.
"Computer system" means a set of related computer equipment, software, or hardware.
(b) A person who knowingly or intentionally accesses:
(1) a computer system;
(2) a computer network; or
(3) any part of a computer system or computer network;
without the consent of the owner of the computer system or computer network, or the consent of the owner's licensee, commits computer trespass, a Class A misdemeanor.

Edit: Found the link on Google. http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title35/ar43/ch2.html Guess I've been a criminal for the past few days. Time to get my own internet.

[Flexin]

Big difference is that there is no charge for bandwidth usage, whereas there is a charge for water and gas usage. Cable theft requires physical effort, cutting wires and splicing them, etc.



I asked the question mainly because I wanted to find out if he can view everything I'm doing. Based on the below response, he can, if he wants to.



I would never do anything like that, unless I was pulling a simple prank on someone that I was great friends with and I would tell them about it shortly after.



Edit: Found the link on Google. http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title35/ar43/ch2.html Guess I've been a criminal for the past few days. Time to get my own internet.

I'm going to call crime stoppers, turn you in and use the money towards a hot tub. :rockout:

James

[rogue]

I'm going to call crime stoppers, turn you in and use the money towards a hot tub. :rockout:

James

Ummmm.....what about a bike?

[Flexin]

Ummmm.....what about a bike?

If you can show me a way to get 7 half naked woman on a bike I'm there. :rockout: Plus the bike cost more then the tub and after working all day digging holes in frozen ground and shoveling gravel my bike likes the hot tub idea the best.

James

[Papa_Complex]

If you can show me a way to get 7 half naked woman on a bike I'm there. :rockout: Plus the bike cost more then the tub and after working all day digging holes in frozen ground and shoveling gravel my bike likes the hot tub idea the best.

James

You can only fit five on one bike. It takes two bikes to fit 7.

[rogue]

You can only fit five on one bike. It takes two bikes to fit 7.

:lmao: :rofl: :lmao:

[Flexin]

You can only fit five on one bike. It takes two bikes to fit 7.

See!!! Two bikes, insurance. 7 helmets (safe sex), possible road rash on my "gear".. :panic:

Hot tub less then half the price, swim suit optional, electrical bill and a smile.

James

[Papa_Complex]

See!!! Two bikes, insurance. 7 helmets (safe sex), possible road rash on my "gear".. :panic:

Hot tub less then half the price, swim suit optional, electrical bill and a smile.

James

Actually two bikes, an EZ-Up canopy with a flashy race team name screened on it, one helmet (optional, if you don't actually race them), and a camera.

[Smittie61984]

Hot tub less then half the price, swim suit optional, electrical bill and a smile.


Take your neighbors electric and save even more money.

[Flexin]

Take your neighbors electric and save even more money.

:dthumb: You just saved me more money in the few seconds that it took you to type that post then that little lizzard coud save me in 20 years. Your invited to the first hot tub party. :rockout:

James

[Smittie61984]

:dthumb: You just saved me more money in the few seconds that it took you to type that post then that little lizzard coud save me in 20 years. Your invited to the first hot tub party. :rockout:

James

Sounds good. But only if you let me bring a keg and some Korean hookers.

[Flexin]

Sounds good. But only if you let me bring a keg and some Korean hookers.

That works for me. Then I don't have to share my 7 woman. :rockwoot:

James

[rogue]

Hey! Where's my invite? :tt:

[Homeslice]

You guys own a motorcycle and a car, but can't afford your own internet?

[marko138]

You guys are queer, this thread is gay, and Captain is a good guy. Fuck off.

[Rider]

You guys are queer, this thread is gay, and Captain is a good guy. Fuck off.

:iagree: