Jail for sex with widow

[fatbuckRTO]

Marine Jailed for Sex With Widow

January 14, 2009
UPI

SAN DIEGO - A U.S. Marine sergeant has pleaded guilty to adultery and received a 90-day sentence for having sex with the widow of a young man he had recruited.

Stephen Kuehler, 30, a recruiter in St. Louis, was court-martialed Tuesday in San Diego, the San Diego Union-Tribune reported. The base there regional headquarters for recruiters in St. Louis.

Amy Patton testified that Kuehler got in touch with her after her husband, Michael Patton, was killed in Afghanistan last year, less than a year after their marriage. Patton joined the Marines in 2007 immediately after his high school graduation.

"He was very helpful," she testified. "I considered him kind of a big-brother type."

The sex occurred at Patton's house after she had drunk tequila on top of a prescription anti-depressant.

David Ahn, Kuehler's lawyer, said that his client made a "mistake" while he, like Amy Patton, was grieving over Patton's death. But Capt. Tyler Hart, the prosecutor, said that he was guilty of an act of betrayal.

"Most of all he betrayed the trust of a fellow Marine," Hart said.



http://www.military.com/news/article/marine-corps-news/marine-jailed-for-sex-with-widow.html?ESRC=marine.nl

[Trip]

That's retarded...

[fatbuckRTO]

If this Marine is guilty of a court-martial offense, then I know a fair percentage of the US armed forces who need to be locked up. A lot of them didn't wait for their buddy to die before they stole his/her spouse.

A lot of the spouses didn't wait, either.

[azoomm]

If this Marine is guilty of a court-martial offense, then I know a fair percentage of the US armed forces who need to be locked up. A lot of them didn't wait for their buddy to die before they stole his/her spouse.

A lot of the spouses didn't wait, either.

I don't think that's the point.

He took advantage of the emotions involved. He went over there to console her, then when she was hopped up on drugs and alcohol he had sex with her. The placement of that information in the story makes it curious that it wasn't a rape charge...

But, I understand your point and do agree. I know quite a few that should be put away if it's just an adultery issue.

[fatbuckRTO]

I don't think that's the point.

He took advantage of the emotions involved. He went over there to console her, then when she was hopped up on drugs and alcohol he had sex with her. The placement of that information in the story makes it curious that it wasn't a rape charge...
I understand what you're saying, but if that's the issue then the "betrayal" of the dead Marine shouldn't have entered into the discussion at all. The "offense" would be against the widow alone, and the charge would have to be rape. Unless they copped out and charged him with the "catch all" 134, which would be bullshit in this case.

It's just a ridiculous over-extreme punishment. 90 days in jail for being an asshole? I mean, shit, we have career counselors bragging about how they could get Marines re-enlisted after DUI charges, etc. But they're gonna put this schmuck in jail for questionable tail?

I won't even start with how much bullshit a rape charge due to intoxication is...

[Rider]

How the fuck is it adultery? The husband was dead, meaning there was no more marriage. Did the guy use poor judgment? Of course, but he didn't do anything against the law. So every person in the world that has sex with a widow/widower is an adulterer? Bullshit!!

[smileyman]

I guess Semper Fi is only in certain cases. Still they had to send a message. To sully the name of the Marines with a rape charge woulda been a shame, so they made an example of adultery.

Still he was over the line, but I'd do 90 days on my head for a great peice of greiving booty!

[azoomm]

I won't even start with how much bullshit a rape charge due to intoxication is...

I see both sides of that one. It REALLY depends on the circumstances with that one... if you can show intent on his part [rufie type of idea] then yes. If she had him over to her place and then one thing lead to another, and she just happened to be drunk at the time.... no.

knowwhatImean?

I think they were using him as an example because he wasn't just another guy in the barracks - he was the person that recruited her husband. And, probably someone she would go to for questions, details, concerns, etc. Authority figure, if you will...

Yes, he should have known better...

[VatorMan]

Back in the day we had what you called WestPac widows. The day a ship got underway-you'd find the whore of a wife in the club.

Once you reach a certain rank you need to be held accountable for your actions-He stepped over the line and got bitch slapped. I have no problem with it.

[fatbuckRTO]

I see both sides of that one. It REALLY depends on the circumstances with that one... if you can show intent on his part [rufie type of idea] then yes. If she had him over to her place and then one thing lead to another, and she just happened to be drunk at the time.... no.

knowwhatImean?Yeah, when I say intoxicated I mean willfully intoxicated.

[fatbuckRTO]

Back in the day we had what you called WestPac widows. The day a ship got underway-you'd find the whore of a wife in the club.

Once you reach a certain rank you need to be held accountable for your actions-He stepped over the line and got bitch slapped. I have no problem with it.

If it was across the board and up and down the chain, I would have no problem with it either. But while it was a poor moral decision, you can't tell me he should have reasonably expected to go to jail for it. Not when genuine adultry is as rampant as everyone seems to know it is in the military.

[z06boy]

How the fuck is it adultery? The husband was dead, meaning there was no more marriage. Did the guy use poor judgment? Of course, but he didn't do anything against the law. So every person in the world that has sex with a widow/widower is an adulterer? Bullshit!!

I agree 100 %

Sure he may have been wrong for doing it BUT we weren't there so if he didn't forcidly rape the woman who says what she did or said to give him the impression she was able and willing ?

To me...if the husband was alive and away on active duty and his recruiter did this... then it would be worse and he should be punished and maybe even kicked out of the Marines.

[z06boy]

I think they were using him as an example because he wasn't just another guy in the barracks - he was the person that recruited her husband. And, probably someone she would go to for questions, details, concerns, etc. Authority figure, if you will...

Yes, he should have known better...

This is true and is probably what the military based their decisions on.

I just think it's BS that he served time in jail if he didn't rape the woman.

[Hondahugger]

The charge of Adultery is because Kuehler was married. However, the widow's plea of "oh I was drunk, bla, bla, bla" is bullshit! Claiming she did it because she was drunk from tequila and anti-depressants? WTF-ever, you don't mix the two and if you do, don't be surprised when you wake up the next morning to find your clothes missing, your car in the neighbors pool and every house on your block toilet papered except your own.

Maybe this will shed a little more light on the case.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jan/13/n95474195927-bn13recruit/?zIndex=36693

SAN DIEGO — A married gunnery sergeant pleaded guilty Tuesday to adultery after having sex with the widow of a fellow Marine who had died in Afghanistan three weeks before.

A panel of two officers and six enlisted Marines sentenced Stephen Kuehler, 30, a recruiter in suburban St. Louis, to 90 days in prison during a court-martial at Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego. The trial was held at the base because it is the regional headquarters for St. Louis-based recruiters.

Kuehler had recruited Pfc. Michael Patton when the teenager was still in high school. Patton joined the Marine Corps shortly after graduating in spring 2007 and married his high school sweetheart, Amy, after finishing boot camp in San Diego that summer.

Patton deployed with his unit to Afghanistan last April. He and three other Marines were killed June 14 when a roadside bomb blew up their Humvee.

On Tuesday, Amy Patton testified that even though she had met Kuehler only once, she promptly called him because her husband had respected the recruiter so much.

Kuehler attended Michael Patton's funeral. In the next few weeks, Amy Patton said, Kuehler took her to work out in the gym of the church they both attended and to the movies along with other Marines.

“He was very helpful,” she testified. “I considered him kind of a big-brother type.”

On July 4th, Amy Patton's mother invited Kuehler to join her family for a barbecue because his wife and children were out of town. Afterward, Kuehler took Amy to see a fireworks display in nearby Festus.

She said she didn't want to go home, so Kuehler invited her over to his house. She drank half a beer, a few sips of wine and some tequila while they watched television.

The alcohol made her drunk, she said, because of a prescription antidepressant she was taking. Kuehler invited her into the bedroom, where he had lighted two candles, and they had sex. Then he took her home.

In August, Amy Patton said, she told her mother about the encounter and reported it to the Marine Corps. About the same time, Kuehler confessed his indiscretion to his wife and chain of command. He has continued to work for the recruiting district, though not directly with potential recruits, said his supervisor, Sgt. Maj. Anthony Banks.

Kuehler's lawyer, David Ahn, said his client was grieving over Patton's death. “He tried to comfort the wife and the family. They got a little bit too close,” Ahn said. “He made a mistake.”

But the prosecutor, Capt. Tyler Hart, said Kuehler's conduct was more than an accidental error.

“He betrayed Amy Patton, her trust, the trust of her family,” Hart said. “Most of all, he betrayed the trust of a fellow Marine.”

[Ninjakel]

what a scum

[Rider]

OK HE was married, that makes more sense then.

[z06boy]

The charge of Adultery is because Kuehler was married. However, the widow's plea of "oh I was drunk, bla, bla, bla" is bullshit! Claiming she did it because she was drunk from tequila and anti-depressants? WTF-ever, you don't mix the two and if you do, don't be surprised when you wake up the next morning to find your clothes missing, your car in the neighbors pool and every house on your block toilet papered except your own.

Maybe this will shed a little more light on the case.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jan/13/n95474195927-bn13recruit/?zIndex=36693

SAN DIEGO — A married gunnery sergeant pleaded guilty Tuesday to adultery after having sex with the widow of a fellow Marine who had died in Afghanistan three weeks before.

A panel of two officers and six enlisted Marines sentenced Stephen Kuehler, 30, a recruiter in suburban St. Louis, to 90 days in prison during a court-martial at Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego. The trial was held at the base because it is the regional headquarters for St. Louis-based recruiters.

Kuehler had recruited Pfc. Michael Patton when the teenager was still in high school. Patton joined the Marine Corps shortly after graduating in spring 2007 and married his high school sweetheart, Amy, after finishing boot camp in San Diego that summer.

Patton deployed with his unit to Afghanistan last April. He and three other Marines were killed June 14 when a roadside bomb blew up their Humvee.

On Tuesday, Amy Patton testified that even though she had met Kuehler only once, she promptly called him because her husband had respected the recruiter so much.

Kuehler attended Michael Patton's funeral. In the next few weeks, Amy Patton said, Kuehler took her to work out in the gym of the church they both attended and to the movies along with other Marines.

“He was very helpful,” she testified. “I considered him kind of a big-brother type.”

On July 4th, Amy Patton's mother invited Kuehler to join her family for a barbecue because his wife and children were out of town. Afterward, Kuehler took Amy to see a fireworks display in nearby Festus.

She said she didn't want to go home, so Kuehler invited her over to his house. She drank half a beer, a few sips of wine and some tequila while they watched television.

The alcohol made her drunk, she said, because of a prescription antidepressant she was taking. Kuehler invited her into the bedroom, where he had lighted two candles, and they had sex. Then he took her home.

In August, Amy Patton said, she told her mother about the encounter and reported it to the Marine Corps. About the same time, Kuehler confessed his indiscretion to his wife and chain of command. He has continued to work for the recruiting district, though not directly with potential recruits, said his supervisor, Sgt. Maj. Anthony Banks.

Kuehler's lawyer, David Ahn, said his client was grieving over Patton's death. “He tried to comfort the wife and the family. They got a little bit too close,” Ahn said. “He made a mistake.”

But the prosecutor, Capt. Tyler Hart, said Kuehler's conduct was more than an accidental error.

“He betrayed Amy Patton, her trust, the trust of her family,” Hart said. “Most of all, he betrayed the trust of a fellow Marine.”


Thanks for posting. This sheds more light on the subject.

Humm...Well now I actually do feel different about it and retract my above statements. I didn't realilze or think about him being married. Although based on "civilian life" I think it's BS that he got jail time...it's different in the military and as a recruiter he knew the rules and decided to break them so even though harsh...that's what he gets. :idk:

I still have issues with her...she shouldn't have gone to his house with his wife away and consumed alcohol...again...he didn't rape her.

He's a Marine and a recruiter and he should have used better judgement.

Man what a f*cked up situation. :yes:

[Trip]

It still doesn't make any sense to me, outdated morality laws FTL

[fatbuckRTO]

Maybe this will shed a little more light on the case.
You're absolutely right, that changes the story completely. First and foremost, it makes him technically guilty of adultery, a crime still punishable under the UCMJ.

It also makes me wish his sentence was longer.

[Captain Morgan]

Hondahugger's version add's a LOT more to it. The fact that he was married makes it quite a bit different. However, the line that he "betrayed a fellow Marine" is complete bullshit. Having sex with a widow does not betray the husband. The marriage ended at his death. Why else do wedding vows say, "till death do us part"?

The fact that she was drunk is of no consequence. If it was, then there would be a LOT of rape cases.

[Racerboy]

The guy cheated on his own wife, bottom line. That was his first mistake. There was no broken trust with the dead Marine. Because she was married to a Marine who died, does that make her off limits to ever have sex again? Obviously, she was congincent of her own actions as she informed someone of what had happened. I don't feel she was raped. Yes, he took advantage of her, but that in an of itself is not crime.

His second mistake was telling his wife and command. What an idiot. If you're going to be a cheater, you need to carry out the innocence plea to the grave.

[fatbuckRTO]

It still doesn't make any sense to me, outdated morality laws FTL

Maybe, but he knew the law.

[azoomm]

The guy cheated on his own wife, bottom line. That was his first mistake. There was no broken trust with the dead Marine. Because she was married to a Marine who died, does that make her off limits to ever have sex again? Obviously, she was congincent of her own actions as she informed someone of what had happened. I don't feel she was raped. Yes, he took advantage of her, but that in an of itself is not crime.

His second mistake was telling his wife and command. What an idiot. If you're going to be a cheater, you need to carry out the innocence plea to the grave.

He didn't rape her. That charge never came up - we just added it to the discussion as a sidenote.

As a Marine he should have expected to be held to a higher standard. That's exactly what happened here - and should happen more often. There are ramifications for your actions. I wish more people were held accountable rather than just given a hug and a cookie because they feel bad...

[Rider]

If you're going to be a cheater, you need to carry out the innocence plea to the grave.

Is this advice coming from past experience?

[Racerboy]

Nope...just have seen it happen in the past from many people and the best option to NOT cheating is to NEVER ADMIT IT

[the chi]

My first thought was that HE was married, HH's post confirms it.

What he did was wrong, I agree, but it was also wrong of the widow. She was grieving and on meds, meds that CLEARLY state combining with alcohol is a bad idea. He should never have let himself or her get in that position.

I feel bad for HIS WIFE. She's the ultimate victim here.

[Archren]

It still doesn't make any sense to me, outdated morality laws FTL

Maybe outdated, but as Fatbuck said.. it's still a law, and a well-known one to anyone (especially NCOs) in the military.

Personally.. given how much this shit happens (TDY/Deployment romances.. "what happens on TDY/Deployment stays.." etc.), I can definitely see where it has it's place in the military. You have to realize there are a lot of fools that really don't have their head in the right place. My ex was one of them. People who are old enough to know better but don't or who simply don't care..

This particular case is no where NEAR some of the cases I dealt with when I was in JAG years ago (or even some of the people - or more appropriately, whores/man-whores - I've known in my time in the Army), in the case of Recruiting, they tend to be very strict on perception/image, so it follows that they chose to make an example of this particular individual.

[fatbuckRTO]

I feel bad for HIS WIFE. She's the ultimate victim here.I'm muthafuckin' gay.

I mean...

Plus muthafuckin' one.

+1

[Trip]

Maybe, but he knew the law.

the law needs to be challenged to be updated.

[Archren]

My first thought was that HE was married, HH's post confirms it.

What he did was wrong, I agree, but it was also wrong of the widow. She was grieving and on meds, meds that CLEARLY state combining with alcohol is a bad idea. He should never have let himself or her get in that position.

I feel bad for HIS WIFE. She's the ultimate victim here.

Hugely in agreement here... both parties should have known better. But for whatever reason, they walked down that path anyway. I can understand why she might have said "fuck it" in her mind and drank while on meds.. but that doesn't make it right.

I'm not usually an advocate of moral policing, but in the military it's a different animal.. these are people who are supposed to be watching your back in combat (or supporting your family while you're deployed).. if they aren't trustworthy (or aren't capable of good judgement), they needn't be in this profession. But that's just my opinion... :idk:

[smileyman]

My first thought was that HE was married, HH's post confirms it.

What he did was wrong, I agree, but it was also wrong of the widow. She was grieving and on meds, meds that CLEARLY state combining with alcohol is a bad idea. He should never have let himself or her get in that position.

I feel bad for HIS WIFE. She's the ultimate victim here.


Which position?:idk: I missed it in the write up....:sorry:

[fatbuckRTO]

the law needs to be challenged to be updated.

Laws don't change in the military the way they change in the civilian world. The only way to change the law in the military is to be a high ranking mofo. The only way to be a high ranking mofo is, generally, to really believe in and support existing military law.

In this particular case, I'm glad. Going to jail for boning a widow is stupid. Going to jail for 90 days for cheating on your wife is pretty close to justice, I think. So long as he still gets raped in divorce court.

I'm surprised at how much was left out of the article I found. It was from a military oriented site, and they didn't even get the guy's rank right, much less the most important detail...

[the chi]

Im with her on this. Having been married to military and immersed in it, cheating is common and sadly, almost expected.

There are actually code actions that individuals can take notifying the general population that the spouse is gone and the green light is on for "come on OVER"!

It's wrong, but it is what it is.

This isnt even remotely as bad as some cases I know of firsthand...like the high level NCO going overseas and fooling round with multiple young women the age of his TEENAGE daughter, or the wife who decides she'd like to start "hanging" out with the men her husband works with while he's gone...it goes on and on, and on, and ON!

[the chi]

Which position?:idk: I missed it in the write up....:sorry:


He spent time with her in a personal manner, going to the gym, taking her to a fireworks show, spending time with her family, almost as if they were dating.

On her part, I can see the reaching out for someone who truly understands, but having her at his house, with no one else there, is WAY across the line. And as a military spouse SHE should also know better. She was endangering his career as well as her reputation.

It has been my experience that if a military member is keeping things above board, his behavior is beyond reproach and even spending time alone with someone in a way that it could be misconstrued is not acceptable.

[Trip]

Laws don't change in the military the way they change in the civilian world. The only way to change the law in the military is to be a high ranking mofo. The only way to be a high ranking mofo is, generally, to really believe in and support existing military law.

In this particular case, I'm glad. Going to jail for boning a widow is stupid. Going to jail for 90 days for cheating on your wife is pretty close to justice, I think. So long as he still gets raped in divorce court.

I'm surprised at how much was left out of the article I found. It was from a military oriented site, and they didn't even get the guy's rank right, much less the most important detail...

Cheating on your wife isn't a crime against the government or the military. It's against your wife. It's utterly ridiculous to even say someone should go to jail for cheating. At a time when we need good soldiers, we don't need to be sending to jail for banging someone behind his wife's back. That's just retarded.

There is another way to change military law without having to deal with military thinking. Get our new chief to do it, he's pretty liberal I hear.

[the chi]

Cheating on your wife isn't a crime against the government or the military. It's against your wife. It's utterly ridiculous to even say someone should go to jail for cheating. At a time when we need good soldiers, we don't need to be sending to jail for banging someone behind his wife's back. That's just retarded.

There is another way to change military law without having to deal with military thinking. Get our new chief to do it, he's pretty liberal I hear.

While I agree to an extent, I believe the original reason for this law was to keep the soldiers from killing EACH OTHER. Like Bob goes to war, he's on the front line, his buddy Jim is with him, they're in a bad sitch, and suddenly Jim feels like confessing that he banged Bob's wife. Bad idea, Bob shoots Jim, then himself before he gets the Dear Bob letter. :whistle:

Dont you watch The Unit? :lol: Commander bangs soldiers wife, sends soldier away to try and get him killed, soldier comes back, decides to kill everyone!

[pickle.of.doom]

Fuckin gay... If anyone needs a little poon, its a Marine. Its not like it was his living commanding officers wife or something. I guess that when a soldier dies, that soldiers wife/husband should be put down, so they never have sex again.

[Trip]

While I agree to an extent, I believe the original reason for this law was to keep the soldiers from killing EACH OTHER. Like Bob goes to war, he's on the front line, his buddy Jim is with him, they're in a bad sitch, and suddenly Jim feels like confessing that he banged Bob's wife. Bad idea, Bob shoots Jim, then himself before he gets the Dear Bob letter. :whistle:

Dont you watch The Unit? :lol: Commander bangs soldiers wife, sends soldier away to try and get him killed, soldier comes back, decides to kill everyone!

Fine just kick em out of the military. Kinda like getting fired from your job when the Boss fucks their employee and gets caught by a higher boss. Putting someone in jail for cheating is totally and utterly retarded.

[fatbuckRTO]

Cheating on your wife isn't a crime against the government or the military. It's against your wife. It's utterly ridiculous to even say someone should go to jail for cheating. At a time when we need good soldiers, we don't need to be sending to jail for banging someone behind his wife's back. That's just retarded.

There is another way to change military law without having to deal with military thinking. Get our new chief to do it, he's pretty liberal I hear.
I've been known to make allowances for many an indiscretion when it comes to good soldiering, but if you're fucking your buddies wife you're not a good soldier, in my opinion.

There are plenty of crimes that aren't crimes against the government or the military. And I think adultery is much more of a punishment-meriting transgression than, say, Article 117 (provoking a gesture). As another example, I don't think gays should be allowed in the military; I've argued it often and at length. But I would see the ban on homosexuals lifted long before I'd see adultery legalized.

[fatbuckRTO]

Fuckin gay... If anyone needs a little poon, its a Marine. Its not like it was his living commanding officers wife or something. I guess that when a soldier dies, that soldiers wife/husband should be put down, so they never have sex again.

I think you missed the article in the middle of the thread that explained that the offending Marine is married. That's my fault, the article I posted was light on pertinent details.

[the chi]

True, but it RARELY ever happens. Of all the cheating I have known of, both reported and not, no one has ever been punished and sent to jail.

This guy probably did something else too, and they are making an example of him.

Remember, when you are in the military, you BELONG to the military, you are US GOVT property and treated as such. I.E. you dont go to a frilly civie prison, you go to military prison!

[pickle.of.doom]

My bad, didn't see that the adultery charge was because dude was married. His bad, then, he had his own poon to go hit :D

[Archren]

It has been my experience that if a military member is keeping things above board, his behavior is beyond reproach and even spending time alone with someone in a way that it could be misconstrued is not acceptable.


Yup... Unfortunately for military, perception is HUGE... IIRC, if the command deems it "detrimental to good order and discipline"... that's all it takes. Even if nothing happened, the impression of an inappropriate relationship would have been enough for even an administrative slap on the wrist. The fact that they both confessed to adultery was just the final nail in the coffin.

I don't think he would have received confinement if he weren't a) a recruiter, b) the recruiter that brought in the woman's late husband, and c) if it weren't such a public case. When this shit happens, they typically receive non-judicial punishment (depending on he severity of the case.. at least a Field Grade Article 15) or maybe a summary court-martial, and while it will probably destroy their career, you won't hear about it unless you're in that unit or are assigned to that post. It's not clear from the article what level of court-martial he received.. given the popularity of the incident, I would assume it's a GCM, or general court-martial.

Like I said... military is a different world. Some of our customs might seem antiquated, but many of them still serve a very real purpose in our line of work. Something like adultery can actually have a very real effect on morale and discipline within a unit (especially if it's someone in a position of authority). Fuck around with morale and discipline enough... people start to get even more careless than usual, and that's when people get hurt or killed in combat. I've seen it happen. My first month in Iraq in '04 we busted a Sergeant Major (E9) down to Master Sergeant (E8) because of shit like this.

[pickle.of.doom]

I think you missed the article in the middle of the thread that explained that the offending Marine is married. That's my fault, the article I posted was light on pertinent details.

yep, just saw that, thanks.

[Trip]

It's still retarded, but he volunteered to be retarded, so it's his own fault.

[fatbuckRTO]

It's still retarded, but he volunteered to be retarded, so it's his own fault.
:lol: :lol: exactly

[Archren]

It's still retarded, but he volunteered to be retarded, so it's his own fault.

Now you're trackin'. :lol:

[Trip]

So does this rule apply if you go off fuckin a bunch of prostitutes in the red light district of amsterdam while your ball in chain is sitting back at whatever US base getting balled by someone else? Can you throw your nonmilitary wife in military prison for cheating on you? If so, that would be jawesome.

[the chi]

So does this rule apply if you go off fuckin a bunch of prostitutes in the red light district of amsterdam while your ball in chain is sitting back at whatever US base getting balled by someone else? Can you throw your nonmilitary wife in military prison for cheating on you? If so, that would be jawesome.


:lol:

What goes TDY STAYS TDY!!!

And no, you cant jail the spouse, but if she's doing a fellow military member, you CAN go after them.

Dork. :lol:

[Trip]

:lol:

What goes TDY STAYS TDY!!!

And no, you cant jail the spouse, but if she's doing a fellow military member, you CAN go after them.

Dork. :lol:

All's fair in retardation, wives/husbands make a volunteer decision to marry a military person. They should be held to the same rules if you are going to make stupid rules about jailing adultery.

[z06boy]

Ok I'm glad we got this all figured out. :lol:

[the chi]

That does pose an interesting quandary doesnt it...what if ANYONE could be jailed for adultery? I bet it would cut down on divorces!

[pickle.of.doom]

or quadruple them!

[the chi]

or quadruple them!

that was my thought after posting...that people would be drawn to the excitement and do it more! scary...

[Hondahugger]

In reading everyone's posts and thoughts on how a military recruiting officer has to uphold the morality of his office and be held to higher standards, all I keep thinking about is how Clinton didn't even get a slap on the wrist for what he did, IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

How can we expect someone as minor (in the big picture) as a Marine Recruiting Officer to have such high morals to his position and wife when our own (past) POTUS was getting a blow job in the Oval Office while writing his next speach?

[Ninjakel]

:pwsign:

[Rider]

That does pose an interesting quandary doesnt it...what if ANYONE could be jailed for adultery? I bet it would cut down on divorces!

Some states already have a law against it.

[tallywacker]

Some states already have a law against it.

Haha I was just about to say that. Most of them do actually, but it being enforced is an extreme rarity.

[Archren]

In reading everyone's posts and thoughts on how a military recruiting officer has to uphold the morality of his office and be held to higher standards, all I keep thinking about is how Clinton didn't even get a slap on the wrist for what he did, IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

How can we expect someone as minor (in the big picture) as a Marine Recruiting Officer to have such high morals to his position and wife when our own (past) POTUS was getting a blow job in the Oval Office while writing his next speach?


I've seen people get away with murder (not literally.. but you know what I mean). One girl in the 42A class I just took in Cali blew a .16 (twice the legal limit) at the gate, and while some other douchebag got sent home for being drunk and refusing to pay his cabbie.. she got to stay and finish the course. All because her boss in West Virginia called the school and requested that she be able to say. How the hell is it that a dumbass in a cab gets sent home, but a drunk behind a wheel got to stay? Didn't make any fucking sense. Unfortunately, the system is NEVER perfect.. but I for one am happy to see it when people who deserve to get busted do get busted.

It's ridiculous. I think anyone in any position of authority like that should be held accountable for their actions.

[fnfalman]

Adultery is a punishable offense under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

However, if I were a single GI and banged another GI's friend, I cannot be charged with adultery because I am not married and therefore didn't cheap on my spouse.

There's an old saying when I was in: Trust your buddy with your life, but never with your money, your booze or your wife.

Most GIs are not the types of people that you'd bring to the Rotary Club or dinner with respectable people. Most GIs don't give a shit about nothing but getting drunk and laid. Nothing I've seen from this current generation that convinces me that they are somehow different than when I was in twenty years ago, or even before my time.

When you live in a world of adrenaline and testosterone, when the little head starts talkin', your big head stop listenin'. We're not talking about really young GIs fucking people that they shouldn't be fucking. We're talking about NCOs and Officers doing the same shits.