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RACER X
01-28-2009, 08:02 AM
if any such couple deserved it'd be them........

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6230596.html

just heart breaking.

Jurors hear mom tell of Baby Grace's death
'We need to break her,' she says husband told her before 2-year-old's fatal ordeal
By HARVEY RICE
Copyright 2009 Houston Chronicle
Jan. 27, 2009, 11:58PM

The length of her torture was one of the gruesome details in the death of Riley, known as Baby Grace until she was identified, that jurors heard Tuesday during the first day of her mother’s capital murder trial.

The description of the girl’s fatal beating and how her body was stuffed into a plastic box and tossed into the sea was revealed in a voluntary videotaped statement that the girl’s mother, Kimberly Dawn Trenor, gave to Galveston County sheriff’s investigators Nov. 23, 2007.

Several members of the five-man, seven-woman jury wiped away tears as a sobbing Trenor told investigators how her daughter looked at her during the beating and said, “I love you.”

Her husband, Royce Clyde Zeigler II, 25, told Trenor that her daughter was merely trying to manipulate her. So the beating continued.

In the tape, Trenor told investigators that Zeigler had stayed home from work on July 25, 2007, to make sure that Trenor punished Riley by whipping her with a belt as he ordered.

“He said, ‘We need to break her,’ ” Trenor said.

Zeigler wanted to teach Riley to say “please” when asking for something and “yes, sir” and “yes, ma’am” when spoken to, as well as correct other behavior that displeased him, Trenor said.

The session began in Riley’s bedroom, where Zeigler beat the child and shoved her face into her pillow, Trenor said. But most of the punishment took place in the family room, she said.

Mother admits helping
Zeigler beat Riley with a thin black belt while screaming at her but switched to a thicker belt that caused more pain, she said.

At Zeigler’s request, Trenor said, she filled the bathtub with cold water.

Zeigler dragged Riley into the bathroom, sometimes by the hair, and held her head under water every time she screamed, she said.

Zeigler hurled Riley onto the tile floor at least three times, once so hard that Trenor said she heard a loud crack.

When Riley tried to run away, he hooked the belt around her neck and dragged her back, Trenor said.

“It seemed like it went on and on and, no matter what she said, she was going to get slapped with a belt,” the girl’s mother told investigators.

She added that Zeigler at one point bit Riley on her right hand.

Trenor admitted that she also beat her daughter after Zeigler urged her to do so. “At some point, I was using the belt,” she said.

‘She kept falling’
Finally Riley, black and blue from the beating, was unable to stand when ordered to do so. “She didn’t have control of her legs,” Trenor said.

“He was holding her and trying to get her to stand and she kept falling,” Trenor said.

Riley had trouble chewing and swallowing Tylenol that Zeigler had given her and he realized something was wrong.

Trenor wanted to phone 911. “He said, ‘No, we can’t do that. We’ll go to jail,’” she said.

“There came a point that she’s not breathing ... he started doing CPR,” Trenor said. “He just handed her to me, and I could just feel her going cold.”

Zeigler wrapped Riley’s body in a purple towel and put her in the bathtub. After purchasing a blue plastic box at Wal-Mart, Zeigler washed Riley’s body with bleach and poured some down her throat, Trenor said.

The body was stuffed in three plastic bags and placed in the box, kept for at least a month in the backyard storage shed, she said.

After an attempt to bury the body at night failed, the next day Trenor drove onto the railroad bridge next to the Galveston Causeway and Zeigler tossed it into the sea, she said.

Zeigler panicked when the box floated away, saying he should have drilled holes so it would sink, she said.

The fisherman who discovered the body on an island in West Galveston Bay is expected to testify this morning.

Zeigler’s attorney, Neal Davis III, does not accept Trenor’s version of events.

Zeigler’s capital murder trial has not been scheduled.

No death penalty sought
District Attorney Kurt Sistrunk decided not to seek the death penalty because of a state appeals court decision saying that the death penalty isn’t appropriate in cases involving parents accused of killing their children.

During opening statements, the prosecution portrayed Trenor as a willing participant in the death who knew or should have known that the beating could lead to Riley’s death.

The defense said that neither Trenor nor Zeigler intended or foresaw that Riley would die.

The point is crucial because prosecutors must prove that the couple either intended to kill Riley or should have known that their actions would lead to her death if they are to convince the jury to convict her of capital murder.

BobTheBiker
01-28-2009, 08:22 AM
the death penalty is too good for that crime. both of em in general population and circulate flyers to the inmates informing them of the arrival of each. and instructions to make their punishment as tormentful as humanly possible.

G-Rex
01-28-2009, 08:39 AM
"District Attorney Kurt Sistrunk decided not to seek the death penalty because of a state appeals court decision saying that the death penalty isn’t appropriate in cases involving parents accused of killing their children."

What the hell. I'd think it is especially appropriate. Some people do not deserve the air they breathe. :shotgun:

Papa_Complex
01-28-2009, 09:01 AM
The death penalty is appropriate in cases in which the accused is at serious risk of re-offending, which isn't the case in the majority of murders. If it's a parent who has killed his or her own child, who can create more new victims, then I would tend to think that it is particularly appropriate.

Amorok
01-28-2009, 09:03 AM
I can't think of anything horrible enough to do to these people off the top of my head. It's astounding to me that this kind of evil walks around and nobody can tell.

Trip
01-28-2009, 09:15 AM
It said the prosecution has to prove intent to murder too. The testimony by the mom would make it hard to prove intent to murder, just extreme child abuse that led to death.

BobTheBiker
01-28-2009, 09:21 AM
extreme child abuse is worthy of murder as well. the kid was TWO years old, hell that in itself makes it worthy of execution on the spot to me. had the kid been 15 and able to fight back, it wouldnt be quite as bad but I'd still SERIOUSLY frown on it.

Bluestreak
01-28-2009, 09:26 AM
I have a 16 month old daughter. Reading this made me sick.

Send those parents to my house. They would receive the same treatment they showed their little girl. :devil:

Katana-750_lady
01-28-2009, 09:42 AM
There's a special place in hell for people like that ... I think they should die the same way they killed that baby. Beat to death and tortured!

Trip
01-28-2009, 09:47 AM
extreme child abuse is worthy of murder as well. the kid was TWO years old, hell that in itself makes it worthy of execution on the spot to me. had the kid been 15 and able to fight back, it wouldnt be quite as bad but I'd still SERIOUSLY frown on it.

I agree, but stated in the article intent to murder has to be proven to allow execution and that doesn't appear to be so in this case. The prosecution appears to know they can't prove intent, so they aren't seeking it. It sucks but that's the law of the state.

Papa_Complex
01-28-2009, 10:09 AM
extreme child abuse is worthy of murder as well. the kid was TWO years old, hell that in itself makes it worthy of execution on the spot to me. had the kid been 15 and able to fight back, it wouldnt be quite as bad but I'd still SERIOUSLY frown on it.

I would say that depraved indifference to the physical welfare of the child qualifies, with or without formulating the intent to kill.

SoFlaSV
01-28-2009, 10:20 AM
Words can not describe how totally fucked up that is.

BobTheBiker
01-28-2009, 10:21 AM
Thats unfortunate that the laws of that state require proof of intent to kill first for the death penalty.

Oh well, jail will do the same thing honestly. Those parents are sacks of shit for abusing a child like that anyhow. people who abuse innocent children in such a way get my blood BOILING. I hate seeing kids who have to live with abuse. it pisses me off.

RACER X
01-28-2009, 10:23 AM
IMO, thats the pussification of america, people debating becuase they didn't "intend" to kill the child vs just abuse the child.

sad day in time.

z06boy
01-28-2009, 10:34 AM
I can't think of anything horrible enough to do to these people off the top of my head. It's astounding to me that this kind of evil walks around and nobody can tell.

So true. It's just hard to comprehend how anyone could treat a 2 year old child like this.

I hope the parents suffer for a long time.

Rsv1000R
01-28-2009, 10:45 AM
While the death penalty would be nice, live in prison with no chance of parole would work for me.

BobTheBiker
01-28-2009, 10:57 AM
While the death penalty would be nice, live in prison with no chance of parole would work for me.

its the same thing as the death sentence, just with a different name and method. hell, even 2 months in jail would be the same as death sentence.

Amorok
01-28-2009, 11:15 AM
Still can't think of anything awful enough, and I'm usually a pretty inventive guy. But life in prison is out, I can't stand the thought that my tax dollars pay to feed and houseevil, even for the hour or two they would last. No, drop them off in the Yukon or something with gps trackers permanently lodged in their rectums, and set dogs after them whenever they come near a populated area or seperate.

pickle.of.doom
01-28-2009, 11:20 AM
I bet the fuckin mom gets off too.... what a bullshit story.. "He made me do it to her"... bullshit, you both beat the hell out of her and she died, now so should both of you. Kill em, burn the bodies, don't even waste space on a grave.

zlicius
01-28-2009, 12:11 PM
did you see the pics of her smiling in court.

it makes me ill. 2 min w/ her alone in a room w/ me and i'd make sure that bitch could never smile again.

Rider
01-28-2009, 12:13 PM
God damn.... :panic: Sad story. I wish there was a law that allowed people to be murdered in the same manner in which they murdered other people.

pickle.of.doom
01-28-2009, 12:29 PM
Or the highest bidder gets to be the one to carry out the act? Generate some revenue and make the general public feel more "involved"

njchopper87
01-28-2009, 03:40 PM
Skipping most of the replies.. just want to say these people are idiots. It's people like this that astound me.. I mean how did they make it to adult-hood? How do they know how to put their shoes on in the morning? It just doesn't make sense to me..

fnfalman
01-28-2009, 03:51 PM
The State of Texas had been known to execute people left and right and they're not going to do the same to these two POS? WTF, over?:rant:

Trip
01-28-2009, 04:00 PM
It's amazing we don't think of abortion as cruel, but executing people like this and child abusers is too harsh a punishment. I say we bring back draw and quartering.

Racerboy
01-28-2009, 04:05 PM
I agree with Bob...Put them into General Population. THey'll be tortured until they are eventually killed...either way, it will be faster than how long it takes for the death penalty to be enacted on them and the state wont have to pay for it!

2up
01-28-2009, 04:31 PM
I pretty much hate the mom more than I hate the dad. And "he made me do it!??!" FUCK YOU lady! It would literally be over my dead body that my child's father or anyone else would abuse my children.

My 6'4" 200lb, ex-husband, in a drunken rage once knocked around my 5'2" 110lb, then 17 year old daughter and bounced her off a tile floor because she had a friend over when he got home from the bar and they were making sandwiches in his kitchen. We were long divorced by then and I lived across the country and didn't find out about it for a long time after. What I WANTED to do was fly across the country for the purpose of killing him. All I COULD do was call the prosecutor to try and exert as much force as possible to have the douche rocket nailed to the wall for what he did. Because he had no prior record (that they could access because the other stuff he's done is only on his militray record) his sentence was a few hours community service and he had to attend anger managment classes.

Words cannot begin to express my contempt for those who abuse their children and the legal system that lets them get away with it. I especially HATE pussy moms who let happen and/or participate in abuse. Again, if I'm there when its happening, its over my dead body that it doesn't stop.

MILK
01-28-2009, 05:03 PM
[QUOTE=2up;155624]I pretty much hate the mom more than I hate the dad. And "he made me do it!??!" FUCK YOU lady! It would literally be over my dead body that my child's father or anyone else would abuse my children.

[QUOTE]

Agreed. Unbelievable. What the hell is wrong with people??? TWO years old ???? :(

Cruzergirl
01-28-2009, 05:15 PM
After I read the line "...she's manipulating you..." and the mother continued beating the child, I couldn't read any more.

I just don't understand. Not one little bit.

Perhaps they could be put on a very small desert island, just the two of them. Well, maybe with one other hardened criminals who only hates child abusers more than he hates himself.

Two years old. Manipulative. Whatever.

Rest in peace little one. Finally. :(

BobTheBiker
01-28-2009, 05:17 PM
I have to agree that the mother is a VERY poor quality one. If they are released to freedom(which I hope they NEVER ARE) they should both be made physically unable to reproduce, and legally barred from EVER adopting or having foster children, EVER.

The mother is a pathetic one at best.
EDIT: just thought about what she said about the kid manipulating them. she's no more worthy of bearing children than hitler was of being world leader.

the chi
01-28-2009, 05:29 PM
As unbelievable as it is, this stuff is happening everyday, somewhere around the world.

Hopefully this poor baby will get some kind of justice, whether the parents are punished in this world via prison, or the next.

Times like this, I HOPE theres a next world, so people like this suffer.

Amorok
01-28-2009, 05:39 PM
There is, and they will.

azoomm
01-28-2009, 06:36 PM
It's rotten that they were more worried about getting in trouble than hurting a child.

It's rotten that he was so concerned about her being polite that he BEAT her. I'm sure he was such a polite human himself, seems so... doesn't he?

Fuck.

Poor baby girl. RIP angel...

fnfalman
01-28-2009, 06:55 PM
It's rotten that they were more worried about getting in trouble than hurting a child.

It's rotten that he was so concerned about her being polite that he BEAT her. I'm sure he was such a polite human himself, seems so... doesn't he?

Fuck.

Poor baby girl. RIP angel...

And the fucking mom just looked on? That makes my blood boil.

CrazyKell
01-28-2009, 08:02 PM
Remind me again why you don't need a license to have a child?

VatorMan
01-28-2009, 08:22 PM
I really don't have anything else to add that hasn't been said. I really hope they have great time in prison. I hope they get everything they deserve coming to them.

Amorok
01-29-2009, 10:18 AM
Remind me again why you don't need a license to have a child?

:iagree: :clapping:

Rider
01-29-2009, 10:26 AM
Remind me again why you don't need a license to have a child?

That won't prove anything. People with a drivers license drive like shit. A license to bare a child would only prove that you were able to fool a government employee to think you are a responsible adult 100% of the time. Easily done.

the chi
01-29-2009, 01:13 PM
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20090128/capt.00882913186f469dac9ea1a1056c6aaf.childs_remai ns_dn202.jpg?x=213&y=144&xc=1&yc=1&wc=410&hc=277&q=85&sig=yQjheMIjga2ofn.8C7Czvw--

This, this is what was so awful she needed to have something beaten into her...she looks like a little monster deserving of such a fate dont you think?!

Damn, is there punishment enough? Im thinkin NO.

The Awesome
01-29-2009, 01:23 PM
The American justice system is a total failure.

Particle Man
01-29-2009, 09:15 PM
I'm resisting waking my daughter up just to hug her and make sure she's ok after reading that article.