property ?

[RACER X]

so we live in a neighborhood that has a baseball diamond and soccer field.

a team as been playing on the diamond and leaving garbage and such and they are not authorized to play. and i don't think any kids actually live in our neighborhood.

recently had a HOA meeting and they are going to put a sign up, "so-n-so residents ONLY"

this past weekend, neighbor noticed the team and called the cops, cop came and told him that it was "public property" and that anybody could come and play as long as there was no gate or lock.

thoughts?

[Dragonpaco]

fuck their... mothers?

or start fining them for littering, HOA's love doing shit like that.

or... get the sand out of your vagina and let the kids play ball

[Ducati Diva]

Are these people you can talk to??? Can someone say to them (nicely at first) "pick up your trash or we'll put up a gate? Dose your HOA have the right to put up a gate???

[RACER X]

fuck their... mothers?

or start fining them for littering, HOA's love doing shit like that.

or... get the sand out of your vagina and let the kids play ball

thats all fine and dandy till the guys w/ the 4 wheelers roll up and start tearing up the soccer field where "we" just put in a sprinkler system. like they did last weekend.

HOA can't fine a team i don't think, they have no real jurisdiction past the property lines.

have anything to really add?

[shmike]

fuck their... mothers?

or start fining them for littering, HOA's love doing shit like that.

or... get the sand out of your vagina and let the kids play ball

I'm gay.

Which is it: Public property or neighborhood property?

Should have bought in a gated community.

Keeps out the NOLA's.

[Trip]

who owns the property?

[RACER X]

i think it's private, we put in the sprinkler system

it's behind our entrance

the pool next to the diamond is gated and people just can't walk into there.

right, about the gated community.

[Trip]

find out who the owner of the property actually is and that person can do something about it.

[Bluestreak]

and i don't think any kids actually live in our neighborhood.




So let me get this straight. You build a field and they come.

You spend all kinds of money to put a sprinkler system in a soccer field when you don't actually have any kids living in your neighborhood?

[Dragonpaco]

thats all fine and dandy till the guys w/ the 4 wheelers roll up and start tearing up the soccer field where "we" just put in a sprinkler system. like they did last weekend.

HOA can't fine a team i don't think, they have no real jurisdiction past the property lines.

have anything to really add?

if it's past the property lines then it's public and you guys should not spend cash to put sprinklers in. second off i thought this was about kids throwing trash on a baseball diamond. if you see the atv's call the cops

[Trip]

http://www.fbcad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/

[RACER X]

if it's past the property lines then it's public and you guys should not spend cash to put sprinklers in. second off i thought this was about kids throwing trash on a baseball diamond. if you see the atv's call the cops

its not past the property lines, it's in a neighborhood. but it's not neighborhood kids.......

how do yo verify if the kids are neighborhood kids or league play that found an open field.

[Trip]

how do yo verify if the kids are neighborhood kids or league play that found an open field.

You walk up to them and ask them if they live in this neighborhood, if they have a coach, ask the coach.

Also call your HOA president to send out something to the neighborhood about it.

[askmrjesus]

how do yo verify if the kids are neighborhood kids or league play that found an open field.

Tattoo your neighborhood kids.

JC

[BobTheBiker]

You'll have to look at your local laws to determine the answers to your questions. I'm pretty sure they can play as long as theres not any no tresspassing signs on the property.

[Trip]

You'll have to look at your local laws to determine the answers to your questions. I'm pretty sure they can play as long as theres not any no tresspassing signs on the property.

That's why you go to the property owner to have something posted saying only neighborhood kids are allowed to use it.

[shmike]

how do yo verify if the kids are neighborhood kids or league play that found an open field.

You don't.

If it is public property, it is as much their right to use it as it is yours.

Find out who owns the land.

If it is the neighborhood and the other McMansion owners want to keep the riff raff out, put up a fence, with a lock.

If not, learn to deal with it and quit acting like an 80 year old in a retirement community.

[Homeslice]

have anything to really add?
:lol:

[Bluestreak]

That's why you go to the property owner to have something posted saying only neighborhood kids are allowed to use it.

I agree that this would help with legal stuff, but then how do you enforce it? If it's a big enough neighborhood, no one is going to know if you actually live in that house just down the road or not.

A fence and sign will be enough to keep the "honest" kids out, but the ones who don't care, will still show up.

[askmrjesus]

Find out who owns the land.

You'd think he would have done that before installing a sprinkler system, unless random acts of plumbing are considered normal in Texas.

JC

[tommymac]

I wish I had problems like this :lol:

So are these kids a litte darker than the locals?

Tom

[RACER X]

You don't.

If it is public property, it is as much their right to use it as it is yours.

Find out who owns the land.

If it is the neighborhood and the other McMansion owners want to keep the riff raff out, put up a fence, with a lock.

If not, learn to deal with it and quit acting like an 80 year old in a retirement community.

point is it's not public property, we have a neighborhood entrance, and its back from there, next to the gated/locked pool, is that a public pool? NOPE


what makes the diamond any diff? or the soccor field?

its all cool till you wanna bat some balls or whatever, but you can't cuz people are playing that don't pay assoc. fee's

but whatever, instead of looking at it objectively your just grinding on a personnal beef.

[Homeslice]

So are these kids a litte darker than the locals?


prolly the only reason for the complaints, lol

[RACER X]

I wish I had problems like this :lol:

So are these kids a litte darker than the locals?

Tom

naw, we have a mixed bag of kids.
the assoc. is putting a

XXX residents only sign up in the near future is that as good as a NO trespassing sign

CRAZY, i let a lil black girl thru my house and let her play w/ our swingset and april in the backyard, CRAZY!!!

[shmike]

You'd think he would have done that before installing a sprinkler system, unless random acts of plumbing are considered normal in Texas.

JC

You'd think.

However, when asked who owns it:

i think it's private, we put in the sprinkler system

it's behind our entrance



Then:


HOA can't fine a team i don't think, they have no real jurisdiction past the property lines.



Outside property lines?

Not everyone is omniscient.

[Trip]

point is it's not public property, we have a neighborhood entrance, and its back from there, next to the gated/locked pool, is that a public pool? NOPE


what makes the diamond any diff? or the soccor field?

its all cool till you wanna bat some balls or whatever, but you can't cuz people are playing that don't pay assoc. fee's

but whatever, instead of looking at it objectively your just grinding on a personnal beef.

How do you know it's even the neighborhoods property? Do some research on the property owner, hell I even provided a link to help you find out shit...

A church tried this shit with me with a property they had no legal claim to because it was right next to their church. They put up booby traps to keep me off. I kept going back. Fuckers about took my head off...

[tommymac]

How do you know it's even the neighborhoods property? Do some research on the property owner, hell I even provided a link to help you find out shit...

A church tried this shit with me with a property they had no legal claim to because it was right next to their church. They put up booby traps to keep me off. I kept going back. Fuckers about took my head off...

God was trying to punish you :lol:

Tom

[Trip]

God was trying to punish you :lol:

Tom

These fuckers were rather creepy. More so than any southern baptist I have met here. I don't think they were any major denomination, just a splinter group. The church was designed like a southern plantation. I would leave my apartment at 5:30am on tuesdays and the parking lot would be packed. The people I talked to from it seemed nice, but when you went inside the church it was really fucking creepy lookin in there.

[RACER X]

How do you know it's even the neighborhoods property? Do some research on the property owner, hell I even provided a link to help you find out shit...



well the pool next to the diamond and tennis courts are "ours" (same parking lot) we put in the sprinkler system. we maintain the lil lakes behind the propery entrace.

[askmrjesus]

The people I talked to from it seemed nice, but when you went inside the church it was really fucking creepy lookin in there.

Did they have pictures of dead guys stuck on crosses?

That always creeps me out.

JC

[tommymac]

well the pool next to the diamond and tennis courts are "ours" (same parking lot) we put in the sprinkler system. we maintain the lil lakes behind the propery entrace.

Which means nothing untill you find out who owns the property. Would kinda suck if yo uput sprinklers in someone elses property.

Tom

[Trip]

well the pool next to the diamond and tennis courts are "ours" (same parking lot) we put in the sprinkler system. we maintain the lil lakes behind the propery entrace.

Find out who the owner of the property is actually listed as, if you want any sort of claim to it, you need to know who actually owns it and not it's right next to our stuff.... Saying it's right next to our stuff to a judge or cop is fucking retarded when you try to assert a legal claim to it... Seriously you sound like a cranky 89 year old woman who rants about kids and has no argument in logical or legal thought.

[askmrjesus]

well the pool next to the diamond and tennis courts are "ours" (same parking lot) we put in the sprinkler system. we maintain the lil lakes behind the propery entrace.

Cool, the 1/2 acre behind my house is mine, so the 60 acres next to it must be mine too.

WOOT!

JC

[tommymac]

besides if theyre actualy playing sports leave them be, not like theyre out forming gangs or other illegal type stuff.

tom

[shmike]

point is it's not public property, we have a neighborhood entrance, and its back from there, next to the gated/locked pool, is that a public pool? NOPE


what makes the diamond any diff? or the soccor field?

its all cool till you wanna bat some balls or whatever, but you can't cuz people are playing that don't pay assoc. fee's

but whatever, instead of looking at it objectively your just grinding on a personnal beef.


No personal beef, I just like to pick on you for being a whiner.

I don't know the lay out of your 'hood but just because you have a sign at the entrance and monthly dues doesn't mean that nobody else is allowed without your permission.

Want to have the kids in the area screened? Buy in a gated community.

Want to keep out those you deem not worthy? Put up a lock, only the neighbors get a key.

Otherwise, let kids be kids.

Be glad they are playing ball and not vandalizing the neighborhood foreclosures.

[tommymac]

Cool, the 1/2 acre behind my house is mine, so the 60 acres next to it must be mine too.

WOOT!

JC

Nice score :dthumb:

Tom

[Trip]

Did they have pictures of dead guys stuck on crosses?

That always creeps me out.

JC

no, that's normal for churches, this was outside the realm of normality for churches. They had big murals that made you feel like they were advertising some kind of powerbar that would give you superhuman strength. Almost buddy jesus type advertising, but much more creepy.

I wish I took pics of it.

[RACER X]

I don't know the lay out of your 'hood but just because you have a sign at the entrance and monthly dues doesn't mean that nobody else is allowed without your permission.


Be glad they are playing ball and not vandalizing the neighborhood foreclosures.

i would disagree, they can't come in our pool, what makes the fields any diff.

the one across the street sold to a co-worker...........:rockout:

cool cat

only 1 left down the street, 4700sq ft 4/3/2, +media + gameroom + study.......dropped to $175k, thats a freakin STEAL! was like $270k 3 yrs ago. people trying to dump it now.

[shmike]

the one across the street sold to a co-worker...........:rockout:

cool cat

only 1 left down the street, 4700sq ft 4/3/2, +media + gameroom + study.......dropped to $175k, thats a freakin STEAL!

At those kind of prices, no wonder you have black kids in the park! :panic:

[RACER X]

"I don't know the lay out of your 'hood but just because you have a sign at the entrance and monthly dues doesn't mean that nobody else is allowed without your permission. "

i would disagree, they can't come in our pool, what makes the fields any diff. ?

it's open so it's OK?

who said they were black.......lol

it's a league team.

[askmrjesus]

Nice score :dthumb:

Tom

No shit, right?

I'm thinking of putting in a baseball diamond with a sprinkler system.

JC

[Trip]

lolzers, I typed in the name of the church and cult and found a blog defending the church, apparently it's one of those women better know your role type cults and decide who their kids will marry from what I have gathered from other comments.

They don’t have a youth group. The parents of the youths actually lead them in different group activities. Parental involvement. It used to be called “Family Time.”
Large families. Four or more children in a family is considered nothing unusual.
Stay at home moms. Lots of these. And we are talking about college educated, highly skilled stay at home moms.
The discouragement of dating and the encouragement of courtship. This one really freaks people out.
The practice of church discipline. It’s in the Bible and Cornerstone does not ignore it.
The “near mandate” of a husband to romantically pursue and serve his wife. The only dating that the church encourages is within the bonds of marriage…a husband “dating” his wife, and believe me it is one of the best ways to protect and serve your marriage.
College students that are selflessly serving the church. VFC is different from the most student groups…and I am sure that other college students think they are weird.
Women teach and train other women in modesty. This is definitely foolishness from a worldly perspective.
Celebrating the God designed roles of men and women. The church realizes that men and women are different…designed for different roles and tasks and they aren’t afraid to teach and preach that.
Sincerity. The people of that church genuinely love each other. And I am not saying they like going to church on Sundays to see or be seen. I am saying that they get involved in other members’ lives. The moms get together for play dates with the kids, the college kids serve other families, men meet for accountability, and the care group leaders “get up in your business”…all in order to serve and encourage one another.

[Tmall]

How does one gain access to this ball field? Public road?

[shmike]

No shit, right?

I'm thinking of putting in a baseball diamond with a sprinkler system.

JC

Wasteful spending.

Let the neighbors do it for you, just make sure to pick up your Snickers wrappers.

[RACER X]

How does one gain access to this ball field? Public road?


all the roads in the neighrbood are public, as are most neighborhoods. the county takes care of the roads and street lights.

but thru the neighborhood entrance, park in the pool/tennis/diamond parking lot

the soccer field is on the 2nd entrance to the neighborhood,

friend confirmed it is "our" property.

now, my initial ? was, are the police correct in saying that w/o a get it's "public property"

[Trip]

all the roads in the neighrbood are public, as are most neighborhoods. the county takes care of the roads and street lights.

but thru the neighborhood entrance, park in the pool/tennis/diamond parking lot

the soccer field is on the 2nd entrance to the neighborhood,

friend confirmed it is "our" property.

now, my initial ? was, are the police correct in saying that w/o a get it's "public property"

Again, find out who is actually is the property owner. The property owner will either be the developer of the subdivision or the HOA, if it is indeed the neighborhood property. Contact your HOA or developer and ask them to contact the authorities.

It's not your property, so you can't do shit, you need others to do it for you.

[RACER X]

right now the developer has majority claim in the HOA. neighborhood is about 50% done w/ 500 homes on the ground.

"we" (incl. the developer) are hte property owners.

[Trip]

right now the developer has majority claim in the HOA. neighborhood is about 50% done w/ 500 homes on the ground.

Well it's the developer's property as he has control of all the open spaces of the neighborhood. Call him and ask him to do something about it.

[askmrjesus]

lolzers, I typed in the name of the church and cult and found a blog defending the church, apparently it's one of those women better know your role type cults and decide who their kids will marry from what I have gathered from other comments.

Nothing like communal incest to keep the riff-raff out of your baseball field. :lol:

JC

[Trip]

Nothing like communal incest to keep the riff-raff out of your baseball field. :lol:

JC

It wasn't a baseball field, it was some woods that some land baron lawyer in knoxville owned that was adjacent to their property. They didn't like me riding my 50 with it's loud ass pipe riding around on it. I didn't do it during their services, mostly saturdays, so they put up a wire about 4 foot off the ground that had a clear rubber coating on it that was very hard to see at 10 feet. When I came barreling through on my 50, I got clotheslined to the ground. Luckily, I was wearing my helmet that day and just ended up with a few stitches from the rash and a minor concussion. Needless to say after that, the times I chose to ride my fiddy were more scheduled and the noise I made was far greater than needed. I thought about pursuing it legally but figure fighting a church or lawyer would be hard with no proof of who put up the wire. a few weeks later a big concrete blocking device with a huge no trespassing sign went up.

[askmrjesus]

It wasn't a baseball field,

I was just trying to keep the thread on topic. :whistle:

But since nobody gives a shiny rats ass if some "unauthorized" kids play baseball at "Happy Fucking Acres" or wherever it is that Ed lives...

it was some woods that some land baron lawyer in knoxville owned that was adjacent to their property. They didn't like me riding my 50 with it's loud ass pipe riding around on it. I didn't do it during their services, mostly saturdays, so they put up a wire about 4 foot off the ground that had a clear rubber coating on it that was very hard to see at 10 feet. When I came barreling through on my 50, I got clotheslined to the ground. Luckily, I was wearing my helmet that day and just ended up with a few stitches from the rash and a minor concussion. Needless to say after that, the times I chose to ride my fiddy were more scheduled and the noise I made was far greater than needed. I thought about pursuing it legally but figure fighting a church or lawyer would be hard with no proof of who put up the wire. a few weeks later a big concrete blocking device with a huge no trespassing sign went up.

Screw the lawyer, I'd try to find out who put that wire up, and beat the HOLY fuck out of him. Shit like that calls for some sort of destructive and childish revenge.

JC

[the chi]

Did they have pictures of dead guys stuck on crosses?

That always creeps me out.

JC

:rofl: This just totally cracks me up!

i would disagree, they can't come in our pool, what makes the fields any diff.

the one across the street sold to a co-worker...........:rockout:

cool cat

only 1 left down the street, 4700sq ft 4/3/2, +media + gameroom + study.......dropped to $175k, thats a freakin STEAL! was like $270k 3 yrs ago. people trying to dump it now.

I think I need to move to Texas...

lolzers, I typed in the name of the church and cult and found a blog defending the church, apparently it's one of those women better know your role type cults and decide who their kids will marry from what I have gathered from other comments.

Ok, that was just weird!!

Racer X, depending on the laws in your area, and what governs private and public property, unless you have the owner call or you ARE the owner, typically LE cant do anything. It requires owner action and some type of announcement or sign stating no trespassing before LE can do anything.

[askmrjesus]

:rofl: This just totally cracks me up!

Oh sure, laugh it up.

It's all fun and games until the stigmatas start.

JC

[the chi]

Oh sure, laugh it up.

It's all fun and games until the stigmatas start.

JC


And with my luck, being a non believer, I'd be the first one afflicted!

[G-Rex]

I was the vice president of my HOA for a year. I got out of it because it was ridiculous. I had no idea adults could act in such a childish manner.

Ed, as an HOA guy *and* someone who designs subdivisions, let me offer this.

Any lots or common areas not purchased by a builder or homeowner, until such time that the occupancy requirement in the bylaws of the HOA are met, belongs to the developer. Period. He still owns that land and pays taxes on it.

Once the occupancy requirement is met, typically 75%, then the common areas and the HOA transfer to the property owners.

We had a similar problem with kids coming into the neighborhood to play on a playground we built. We didn't have a problem with it until they started leaving trash and vandalizing the equipment. Common courtesy woulda went a long way.

We called the police. I knew that wouldn't help, but the other members insisted. Their reply was that the park was public property because the community wasn't gated, and we couldn't keep the troublemakers off of the property unless we witnessed the vandalism. At that point, we could call the police, file charges, etc.

One kid had scratched her name into the equipment. Just so turns out she had a rather unique name, and someone on the board knew her parents. She was called out on it, had to come repair the equipment (her parents did actually), and she was told that she was not allowed at the park again.

Basically, unless you witness them causing damage and can call the police in a timely fashion, or put a gate up, it's one of many headaches you will deal with in being a part of a Homeowner's Association.

[RACER X]

thanks trace!

and we had our first HOA meeting last week, i can understand where your coming from w/ the childish behavior attitude.

[RACER X]

tracey, if there was a "XXX owners use only" signs, wouldn't people who don't live in the neighborhood be trespassing?

or does it have to be gated?

[G-Rex]

tracey, if there was a "XXX owners use only" signs, wouldn't people who don't live in the neighborhood be trespassing?

or does it have to be gated?

Yes, they would be trespassing, but you know what the charge is for trespassing? It's a misdemeanor with a small fine, at least here.

If it's gated, then it's a private community, and you have many more rights as far as what is and is not allowed, but that brings problems of it's own. The biggest one being road maintenance. The minute you put up a gate, the city can legally absolve itself of any responsibility to maintain your roads.

Not sure how many lane feet of roads you have, but in 20 years, repairs on that can add up in a hurry.

[MILK]

Oh I am SO glad to be rid of HOA's and all the quasi ownership, inflated sense of self it seems to give people!!! I've never in my life seen people whine and bitch and complain so much. "Oh someone left a dirty diaper in the trash can at the pool!" "Hey you going to pick up after your doggie?" NOT WHEN SHE HASN'T EVEN TAKEN A SHIT YET LADY!!! :lol: Good grief it's sickening. Never again!!! NOPE.

[azoomm]

Fuck spanking. I've now turned a corner. I think all children should have shock collars on them so you can zap them if they are in inappropriate places...

Who's with me??

[cuttle]

why don't you just approach these kids, ask them to start a team and play agains your HOA kids???? If they have some kind of ownership (clean the place up together before you start the game) they may respect it better?














I knew we were right about avoiding places with a HOA

[OneSickPsycho]

Talk to your neighbor closest to the fields... On a nice sunny day, when the kids are trashing the place, sit far back in the room with the window open and no screen... Sit with a BB gun. Systematically plink each one of the kids right in the ass until they leave and never come back.

[Homeslice]

HOAs always have a few over-enthusiastic members, who remind me of the DMV/city hall secretary type. You know, no real power, but like to act as if they have it.

[askmrjesus]

HOAs always have a few over-enthusiastic members, who remind me of the DMV/city hall secretary type. You know, no real power, but like to act as if they have it.

Bingo!

Take a short guy with a Napolean complex, add a dash of douchebag essence, and toss in a sprig of dumbshit nazi fuck wad, and POOF! You have an HOA Commando.

I was stuck in Fort Pierce, Florida, for a few months, while the boat I crewed on was geting re-painted. The guy that owned the boat subletted a townhouse at an HOA controlled subdivision.

After a few weeks I got bored, so I bought a dual-sport to pass the time. The fuckwad HOA guy came to my unit and gave me shit about parking a motorcycle in MY parking space. I laughed when he told me I had to park it behind the fence where the dumpster was, and I asked him if his wife was parked there too.

Things went down hill from there.

JC

[101lifts2]

OK...I doubt if your association owns that land, but just tell the kids to pick up their trash.

[Tmall]

OK...I doubt if your association owns that land, but just tell the kids to pick up their trash.

That would require a confrontation that doesn't take place behind a keyboard... :whistle:

[101lifts2]

That would require a confrontation that doesn't take place behind a keyboard... :whistle:

hahahaha