Etta James - She's going to bitch slap you!

[Trip]

Damn, that old lady is feisty. Etta James just got a new fan, I hate Beyonce too.

Let's talk about one of the most unlikely celebrity feuds in all of music, the one that exploded this week between legendary jazz singer Etta James and the woman who played Etta in Cadillac Records, Beyonce. Now, we're not sure if Etta was displeased with Beyonce's portrayal of her in that film, but we are sure that she was unhappy with Beyonce's performance of the classic Etta song "At Last" at Barack Obama's inauguration last month. Etta made her displeasure abundantly clear last Wednesday, when--before performing "At Last" at Seattle's Paramount Theater--she launched into a shocking anti-Beyonce tirade.

"You know that woman he had singing for him, singing my song, she's going to get her a** whipped," Etta declared, before she then verbally attacked President Obama himself, referring to him as "your president...the one with the big ears," and adding, "He's not my president." Etta also said she "could not stand" Beyonce.

[Mikey]

I heart Etta James.

[OneSickPsycho]

She's a racist because she doesn't support Obama.

[Trip]

She's a racist because she doesn't support Obama.

she actually could be, she may not like mulattos

[Smittie61984]

she actually could be, she may not like mulattos

I think you mean she may hate White/Arab mixes.

[Trip]

I think you mean she may hate White/Arab mixes.

obama is not half arabic, to be arabic, you have to be from the arabian peninsula. I do not subscribe to the ignorant american philosophy of lumping all people of the islamic faith as arabic. He's half kenyan and therefore more african than most african americans nowadays.

Beyonce is also like a quarter white.

[Amber Lamps]

obama is not half arabic, to be arabic, you have to be from the arabian peninsula. I do not subscribe to the ignorant american philosophy of lumping all people of the islamic faith as arabic. He's half kenyan and therefore more african than most african americans nowadays.

Beyonce is also like a quarter white.

Yea stupid! What Trip said! J/K! Being Muslim is a religious choice,being Arabic is an unfortunate accident of birth! Heck,if that was the way you wanted to play then all Jews and Christians must be Arabs too since those religions trace their roots back to the same area of the world as Islam.

BTW someone needs to tell Etta to shut the fuck up! That song was not written by her and was first performed by Glenn Miller in the 40s. Heck, my Grandma's cousin recorded it in the 50s (Nat King Cole). Etta didn't do her cover of the song until the 60s so she needs to stfu about it being "her song",she didn't write it,wasn't the first to record it and quite frankly, Nat's version is better anyway! Stupid bitch!

[Smittie61984]

obama is not half arabic, to be arabic, you have to be from the arabian peninsula. I do not subscribe to the ignorant american philosophy of lumping all people of the islamic faith as arabic. He's half kenyan and therefore more african than most african americans nowadays.

Beyonce is also like a quarter white.

My father could have been born in China. Doesn't mean he or I are Asian.

I just remember reading that when it came to his Sub-saharan(What people consider African/black/whatever) ancestory, it's only at 6% or so.

None of that matters and I don't really care about his race. But disagree with a policy and his race will come into play so why not fuck with it.

[Carolina]

etta who ? Beyonce is getting that cheese she aint paying them haters no mind. The old lady prob just salty Obama requested her instead. Shit would wouldn't want to see that sexy young thang on stage.

[Amber Lamps]

etta who ? Beyonce is getting that cheese she aint paying them haters no mind. The old lady prob just salty Obama requested her instead. Shit would wouldn't want to see that sexy young thang on stage.

For real! Etta is so old her period blood looks like cayenne powder! The way she's actin' I'm wondering if she's gotten back on da needle...stupid junkie bitch! I mean really,she's got what,3 top 40 hits in a 50+ year "career"? Gee,I'm not sure but I think that Beyonce has a few more than that... Fuck, Etta James probably rode the bus to that concert she was talkin' shit at!

Oh and Etta is definitely a "high Yellow" and as such has little call to dislike mulattoes.

[Carolina]

truth

[Racerboy]

Live Performance by Etta James:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADDigK8LwyE
One of the best renditions of the same song I have ever heard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qMbhSpMTQU

[Smittie61984]

=I mean really,she's got what,3 top 40 hits in a 50+ year "career"? Gee,I'm not sure but I think that Beyonce has a few more than that.

Beyonce has the benefit of American Celebrity Idol worship. Beyonce can take a dump on a microphone and people would make it a #1 hit just because she did it.

Hard to compare today's artists and their success to artists of the past. If Beyonce was ugly she wouldn't have 1 single hit out there. Not even close.

[Mr Lefty]

Live Performance by Etta James:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADDigK8LwyE
One of the best renditions of the same song I have ever heard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qMbhSpMTQU


Damn... that last vid was fuck'n awesome... and that Etta James version sucked IMO

Beyonce has the benefit of American Celebrity Idol worship. Beyonce can take a dump on a microphone and people would make it a #1 hit just because she did it.

Hard to compare today's artists and their success to artists of the past. If Beyonce was ugly she wouldn't have 1 single hit out there. Not even close.

I agree... I'm not a big fan of Etta James... I didn't think her version of At Last was all that great to begin with... great song... she did it... ok.

Beyonce... well I'm not a fan of her either... she's like Britney Spears... not all that talented of a singer... but sells records because of her looks and pop appeal.

:2cents:

[rogue]

Fuck both Etta and Beyonce. A white man using a puppet sings that song better than either of them.


Etta needs to stfu. She doesn't have any room to talk, IMO.

[Flexin]

I love Beyonce. The way she sings and the way that she moves her body.

My daughter loves Single Ladies and Diva. She dances to it.

James

[Amber Lamps]

You know sometimes people can say some stupid shit. Is it really anyone's contention that "popular appeal" wasn't a factor in the past. Are you saying that Elvis was an incredible song writer and entertainer and that his "gyrations" had nothing to do with his popularity? That at least some of the Beatles' popularity wasn't do to "marketing". Shirley Temple had dozens of albums and movies...oh yea,no other little girl could have managed those "inspired" performances! Fuck,I bet even Mozart had to thank looks and stage presence for at least some of his success. It always kills me when people act as if hype never had a place in the world until now.

[Smittie61984]

You know sometimes people can say some stupid shit. Is it really anyone's contention that "popular appeal" wasn't a factor in the past. Are you saying that Elvis was an incredible song writer and entertainer and that his "gyrations" had nothing to do with his popularity? That at least some of the Beatles' popularity wasn't do to "marketing". Shirley Temple had dozens of albums and movies...oh yea,no other little girl could have managed those "inspired" performances! Fuck,I bet even Mozart had to thank looks and stage presence for at least some of his success. It always kills me when people act as if hype never had a place in the world until now.

I understand but it is different now than it was then. If Janis Joplin started singing now, do you thinks she'd have a hit? Hell no, she'd be lucky to make it into a hole in the wall and probably told she can't perform until everyone is hammered drunk. Many of our rock stars of yesterday probably wouldn't have made it big if people saw them more than they heard their music. Rolling Stones, Dylan, Aerosmith, AC/DC, Zeppelin, etc where some ugly ass motherfuckers. But because their music had more play than their image they were able to make it big.

What are Beyounce's biggest hits? I have no clue but every single one of them became big AFTER she made a music video. And with internet and TV channels decicated to nothing but celebrity gossip. Looking good is the only way to make it today.

[JoJoYZF]

I love Beyonce. The way she sings and the way that she moves her body.

My daughter loves Single Ladies and Diva. She dances to it.

James

I personally hate a lot of beyonces songs, but do love the way she moves since shes hot.

[Flexin]

I understand but it is different now than it was then. If Janis Joplin started singing now, do you thinks she'd have a hit? Hell no, she'd be lucky to make it into a hole in the wall and probably told she can't perform until everyone is hammered drunk. Many of our rock stars of yesterday probably wouldn't have made it big if people saw them more than they heard their music. Rolling Stones, Dylan, Aerosmith, AC/DC, Zeppelin, etc where some ugly ass motherfuckers. But because their music had more play than their image they were able to make it big.

What are Beyounce's biggest hits? I have no clue but every single one of them became big AFTER she made a music video. And with internet and TV channels decicated to nothing but celebrity gossip. Looking good is the only way to make it today.

You think her songs are only big because of her videos? I would have to disagree. For one a lot of tv video shows got canceled last year.

And do you have facts to back up your statement that each song only went up the charts after the video was launched? If so do you have stats for someone who jumps to the top of the charts before hand?

James

[Trip]

You think her songs are only big because of her videos? I would have to disagree. For one a lot of tv video shows got canceled last year.

And do you have facts to back up your statement that each song only went up the charts after the video was launched? If so do you have stats for someone who jumps to the top of the charts before hand?

James

No her songs are big because fucking morons with very short attention spans like to suckle from the teet of pop. Beyonce is on the same level as a Hannah Montana. Dumbass kids will listen to any worthless shit you package on the front of lunchbox.

All the single ladies makes me want to shot myself with how worthless it is in musical value.

TWFix ruling, Beyonce is a fucking dumb bitch with nothing to offer besides her looks, anything different is against TWFix policy. Problem solved.

[Flexin]

No her songs are big because fucking morons with very short attention spans like to suckle from the teet of pop. Beyonce is on the same level as a Hannah Montana. Dumbass kids will listen to any worthless shit you package on the front of lunchbox.

All the single ladies makes me want to shot myself with how worthless it is in musical value.

TWFix ruling, Beyonce is a fucking dumb bitch with nothing to offer besides her looks, anything different is against TWFix policy. Problem solved.

What makes her dumb? Making music that you don't like?

James

[2up]

Beyonce is Britney is Madonna IMO. None of them have much vocal talent or songwriting but all of them have surrounded themselves with people who have great marketing saavy. I personally wouldn't care if all three of them, and others like them, were all loaded into one big tour bus that drove off a cliff.

[Trip]

What makes her dumb? Making music that you don't like?

James

Because she is a typical uneducated popstar just like Britney Spears. She's a fuckin pop star, she has no value except to the mass group mentality preteen girls and guys who have boners watching her.

[Smittie61984]

And do you have facts to back up your statement that each song only went up the charts after the video was launched? If so do you have stats for someone who jumps to the top of the charts before hand?

James

Think of a huge hit song of hers and then think of the video. Single Ladies, If I were a boy, 2 the left, and then her trio thingy from back when. Only songs I know of hers have music videos.

Seriously, without her looks, do you think she'd be were she is today?

[Mr Lefty]

Beyonce is Britney is Madonna IMO. None of them have much vocal talent or songwriting but all of them have surrounded themselves with people who have great marketing saavy. I personally wouldn't care if all three of them, and others like them, were all loaded into one big tour bus that drove off a cliff.

it's scary how much we think alike...

[Flexin]

Think of a huge hit song of hers and then think of the video. Single Ladies, If I were a boy, 2 the left, and then her trio thingy from back when. Only songs I know of hers have music videos.

Seriously, without her looks, do you think she'd be were she is today?

She got where she did with hard work from what I read. She wouldn't have made it big just on her looks. Do you have to look good? For the most part. Record companies are looking for a product. They want it to look and sound good for them to spend money on it.

Those songs you are talking about are singles. They get the radio play and some or all get videos. If your not into the music you don't buy the cd which means you will not know the other songs. The singles are like ads for the cd.

James

[Trip]

People still buy CDs?







this is joke btw

[Mr Lefty]

I guarentee if Destiny's Child wasn't three attractive women... but filled with 3 women that looked like this...http://www.seekcodes.com/images/Ugly-Women/seekcodes_227_5922.jpg


they'd not have been signed... no matter how well they sang. and Beyonce wouldn't have gotten a record contract as a solo artest with out them... even with her looks... she needed the Destiny's Child in. IMO.

[Trip]

To be in pop, you have to look good. Pop is devoid of anything artistic or meaningful. It's mainstream crap people put out to make a quick buck, it's not about creating music.

[Amber Lamps]

I understand but it is different now than it was then. If Janis Joplin started singing now, do you thinks she'd have a hit? Hell no, she'd be lucky to make it into a hole in the wall and probably told she can't perform until everyone is hammered drunk. Many of our rock stars of yesterday probably wouldn't have made it big if people saw them more than they heard their music. Rolling Stones, Dylan, Aerosmith, AC/DC, Zeppelin, etc where some ugly ass motherfuckers. But because their music had more play than their image they were able to make it big.

What are Beyounce's biggest hits? I have no clue but every single one of them became big AFTER she made a music video. And with internet and TV channels decicated to nothing but celebrity gossip. Looking good is the only way to make it today.

Yeah and who the fuck was Elvis before he made a couple movies and television appearances? In fact,almost all rock and roll stars have been on tv,including everyone you've named. Back in the day women LOVED Steven Tyler,Mick Jager,Eric Clapton,etc. Heck,half of the acts you've mentioned did put out music videos...besides before MTV,there were TONS of magazines that promoted musicians. I'm sorry buddy but you don't have any idea what you are talking about! Bing Crosby's career was boosted using movies and spots on tv/radio shows. Multi media is not a new concept,the outlets have just changed over the years.

Oh and :sorry: but Janis Joplin couldn't sing for shit! I'd take Beyonce',Cristina Aguillera,Allysha Keys,etc for pure talent and vocal range over Janis Joplin any day!

[Flexin]

People still buy CDs?







this is joke btw

:lol: Not that I know about but that is the point. I did think about buying Beyonce's cd for my daughter last week.

James

[Amber Lamps]

To be in pop, you have to look good. Pop is devoid of anything artistic or meaningful. It's mainstream crap people put out to make a quick buck, it's not about creating music.

Just like Elvis,most country and western music,etc. It always gets me when people put down someone else's type of music like what they listen to is the soul of artistic merit.

[Trip]

Just like Elvis,most country and western music,etc. It always gets me when people put down someone else's type of music like what they listen to is the soul of artistic merit.

There are a lot of country stars, rock stars, punk, etc... that are fuckin ugly. It's pretty much a requirement in the realm of pop. The ones you are thinking about are the ones that sellout and go mainstream pop.

[Flexin]

There are a lot of country stars, rock stars, punk, etc... that are fuckin ugly. It's pretty much a requirement in the realm of pop. The ones you are thinking about are the ones that sellout and go mainstream pop.

Any new ones? Anyone new in country I have seen on tv was not ugly.

James

[Mr Lefty]

Gretchen Wilson... not attractive

[Amber Lamps]

There are a lot of country stars, rock stars, punk, etc... that are fuckin ugly. It's pretty much a requirement in the realm of pop. The ones you are thinking about are the ones that sellout and go mainstream pop.

Ok for the record,do you really mean to say that Chistina Aguillera,Beyonce,any "pop stars" are devoid of talent and ONLY get where they are based on their looks? I mean,I agree that entertainment is focused more on the visual medium now than it has been in the past but to say that these performers are without merit just because they are attractive is well asinine. If you are saying that a beautiful woman has a better chance than an equally talented fugly woman,I agree.

Oh and come on most Country stars were at least decent looking,Tammy Wynette,Dolly Parton,Crystal Gayle,etc. The superstars in any genre of music tend to be attractive people. I bet that it's always been like that.

[Amber Lamps]

Gretchen Wilson... not attractive


Shit! Gretchen Wilson is better looking than the average girls I've been fucking lately! Hmmmm..... that doesn't sound that good does it?

[Flexin]

Gretchen Wilson... not attractive

Never heard of her before so I had to google her. She isn't that bad.

James

[Flexin]

Ok for the record,do you really mean to say that Chistina Aguillera,Beyonce,any "pop stars" are devoid of talent and ONLY get where they are based on their looks? I mean,I agree that entertainment is focused more on the visual medium now than it has been in the past but to say that these performers are without merit just because they are attractive is well asinine. If you are saying that a beautiful woman has a better chance than an equally talented fugly woman,I agree.

Oh and come on most Country stars were at least decent looking,Tammy Wynette,Dolly Parton,Crystal Gayle,etc. The superstars in any genre of music tend to be attractive people. I bet that it's always been like that.

I agree except heavy metal. There was some ugly ass mofos in that. :LOL:

James

[Trip]

Any new ones? Anyone new in country I have seen on tv was not ugly.

James

Thats cause you probably only listen to mainstream pop country. There are plenty fuglys that are big in country that aren't apart of that crowd. Taylor Swift/Carrie Underwood are not country, they are pop.

Ok for the record,do you really mean to say that Chistina Aguillera,Beyonce,any "pop stars" are devoid of talent and ONLY get where they are based on their looks? I mean,I agree that entertainment is focused more on the visual medium now than it has been in the past but to say that these performers are without merit just because they are attractive is well asinine. If you are saying that a beautiful woman has a better chance than an equally talented fugly woman,I agree.

Oh and come on most Country stars were at least decent looking,Tammy Wynette,Dolly Parton,Crystal Gayle,etc. The superstars in any genre of music tend to be attractive people. I bet that it's always been like that.

A beautiful woman with very little talent has 10000000000000x more of a chance in pop than a fugly woman with more talent in her toe than the beautiful woman. No one sells fat woman to the masses. Look at the shit Jessica Simpson is taking now that she is getting fatter. She has no talent and is getting cowish. She no longer has a chance in the realm of pop. Look up that last concert where she broke down because of her lack of talent. She has lost her appeal to the crowd, her good looks. Beyonce is another Simpson, plump that bitch up and she will go down faster than a playboy bunny on an old man.

[Amber Lamps]

I agree except heavy metal. There was some ugly ass mofos in that. :LOL:

James


Yeah but they are "attractive" to their constituents,besides,there are "ugly" people in any type of music. Hell,in my opinion,an attractive person has a better chance getting a job as a garbage man than an ugly person,all other things being equal.

[Flexin]

Yeah but they are "attractive" to their constituents,besides,there are "ugly" people in any type of music. Hell,in my opinion,an attractive person has a better chance getting a job as a garbage man than an ugly person,all other things being equal.

There are ugly people everywhere. And everyones opinion of what is ugly and what isn't is very different. I'm sure Howard Sterns mother thinks he is a very handsome man. See? Very different.

But I don't know why people are surprised that they hire "good looking" people for music and movies.

James

[Trip]

But I don't know why people are surprised that they hire "good looking" people for music and movies.

James

They don't hire people for music like they do for movies, lots of fugly groups get contracts in their own genres. The people that make it mainstream and sellout to pop are most of the time "pretty." If you find mindless crap they call pop music entertaining, that's your problem.

[Flexin]

They don't hire people for music like they do for movies, lots of fugly groups get contracts in their own genres. The people that make it mainstream and sellout to pop are most of the time "pretty." If you find mindless crap they call pop music entertaining, that's your problem.

I don't listen to pop. I don't call Beyoncé pop. And yes I do enjoy her music. I don't like "If I were a boy" but other then that I like her music.

James

[Trip]

I don't listen to pop. I don't call Beyoncé pop. And yes I do enjoy her music. I don't like "If I were a boy" but other then that I like her music.

James

beyonce is about as pop as you can get. She is a Britney Spears.

[2up]

it's scary how much we think alike...

I'm scared now! :lol:

Just kidding. :)

And whomever wrote something about Christina Aguilerra, she is NOT in the same category as Brit and Beyonce, etc. She actually has an amazing voice.

[Flexin]

beyonce is about as pop as you can get. She is a Britney Spears.

Not in my opinion.

James

[Flexin]

Thats cause you probably only listen to mainstream pop country. There are plenty fuglys that are big in country that aren't apart of that crowd. Taylor Swift/Carrie Underwood are not country, they are pop.



A beautiful woman with very little talent has 10000000000000x more of a chance in pop than a fugly woman with more talent in her toe than the beautiful woman. No one sells fat woman to the masses. Look at the shit Jessica Simpson is taking now that she is getting fatter. She has no talent and is getting cowish. She no longer has a chance in the realm of pop. Look up that last concert where she broke down because of her lack of talent. She has lost her appeal to the crowd, her good looks. Beyonce is another Simpson, plump that bitch up and she will go down faster than a playboy bunny on an old man.

BTW I don't listen to country at all. And I'm not a fan of "Pop" but there are some songs in both that I can listen to with out jamming nails in my ears.

Here is a small sample of what I listen to...http://www.twowheelfix.com/showthread.php?p=161828#post161828

James

[Amber Lamps]

That's something I've always disliked...the attitude that an entertainer has "sold out" when they finally start making some money at what they do. It's like Beyonce,Taylor Swift,Nickelback,etc would have more credibility as musicians if less people bought their music.

[Trip]

That's something I've always disliked...the attitude that an entertainer has "sold out" when they finally start making some money at what they do. It's like Beyonce,Taylor Swift,Nickelback,etc would have more credibility as musicians if less people bought their music.

You can make a lot of money and not be a sellout. People like Beyonce were born to sellout though, they never had viability as musicians. They are the court jesters of the world.

[Amber Lamps]

You can make a lot of money and not be a sellout. People like Beyonce were born to sellout though, they never had viability as musicians. They are the court jesters of the world.

Aw I knew you were just being argumentative you old dog! I don't know and I suspect that neither do you,what Beyonce',Aguillera,etc went through before they were famous. My Dad was familiar with the Jackson family when we lived in Gary,Ind,they used to perform in laundromats for change. They struggled for many years and finally made it big. It's my opinion that as long as a performer keeps doing the type of music he started with,he can't be labeled a sell out when he makes it big.

[Papa_Complex]

That's something I've always disliked...the attitude that an entertainer has "sold out" when they finally start making some money at what they do. It's like Beyonce,Taylor Swift,Nickelback,etc would have more credibility as musicians if less people bought their music.

Most musicians who make any serious money have sold their souls to do it. In their positions, who wouldn't? The only ones who bother me are the ones who try to make it look like they're 'edgy' and too 'cool' to sell out, when it's obviously exactly what they've done.

The difference between an artist that you think is a sell out and one that you think isn't, is usually whether you like that artist or not.

[Mr Lefty]

I'm scared now! :lol:

Just kidding. :)

And whomever wrote something about Christina Aguilerra, she is NOT in the same category as Brit and Beyonce, etc. She actually has an amazing voice.

Christina Aguilerra does have an amazing voice... too bad she doesn't know how to use it... she murders songs with her "runs"

every time I hear her sing... I think... ok... just sing the fuck'n song... we all know you can sing... no need to prove your self with every song you sing.

[Mr Lefty]

That's something I've always disliked...the attitude that an entertainer has "sold out" when they finally start making some money at what they do. It's like Beyonce,Taylor Swift,Nickelback,etc would have more credibility as musicians if less people bought their music.

I hear ya... I've always thought it was a label the jealous artists that didn't get that break used to describe those that did. but in some cases it's true...

the other thing I found funny was when an artist try's something different... the ones that like it say she/he is expanding their range... if they don't like it it's they sold out.

One I found interesting was Rob Thomas... from Matchbox20. I know a lot of my friends... myself included loved Matchbox20... and bought Rob's Solo CD. wow was it different. Very Pop IMO... half my friends hated it... saying he sold out... the others thought it was alright... said he was just try'n something different. (none of us liked it completely :lol:) I tend to lean towards sold out... just because it doesn't sound like the songs he wrote for Matchbox20.

but take Justin Timberlake... (some decent songs) I think he just progressed. he's still pop... very pop... but he progressed to something I think was more him. obviously that's all IMO as I don't know JT... though... I think he posts on here under the name CEO1-50 from time to time :lol:

[Flexin]

I hear ya... I've always thought it was a label the jealous artists that didn't get that break used to describe those that did. but in some cases it's true...

the other thing I found funny was when an artist try's something different... the ones that like it say she/he is expanding their range... if they don't like it it's they sold out.

One I found interesting was Rob Thomas... from Matchbox20. I know a lot of my friends... myself included loved Matchbox20... and bought Rob's Solo CD. wow was it different. Very Pop IMO... half my friends hated it... saying he sold out... the others thought it was alright... said he was just try'n something different. (none of us liked it completely :lol:) I tend to lean towards sold out... just because it doesn't sound like the songs he wrote for Matchbox20.

but take Justin Timberlake... (some decent songs) I think he just progressed. he's still pop... very pop... but he progressed to something I think was more him. obviously that's all IMO as I don't know JT... though... I think he posts on here under the name CEO1-50 from time to time :lol:

I couldn't stand Justin in the boy band. But one day I heard a song and I said he is from what group? I couldn't believe it. After a while I liked it more and I really like his solo music.

James

[Mr Lefty]

I don't mind it... I think he's done well... not really sure if I consider him R&B like he's marketed as though... still think he's pop... though I think Usher is pop too... :idk:

[Flexin]

I don't mind it... I think he's done well... not really sure if I consider him R&B like he's marketed as though... still think he's pop... though I think Usher is pop too... :idk:

I don't see them as pop. You don't really like Usher do you?

James

[Mr Lefty]

I don't mind usher.. though haven't listened to him since I had his album 8701 shortly after HS...

I just got tired of hearing his music EVERYWHERE... I used to sell and install car and home audio... and the radio stations killed alot of songs for me.

[Flexin]

I don't mind usher.. though haven't listened to him since I had his album 8701 shortly after HS...

I just got tired of hearing his music EVERYWHERE... I used to sell and install car and home audio... and the radio stations killed alot of songs for me.

Ok I was just thinking you put most of the music you didn't like into the pop list.

I like Usher's music a lot. I'm listening to Trading Places right now.

James

[Mr Lefty]

naw... I don't like alot of pop... really I don't like most Top40 just cause it all seems to lack substance. :idk: not that I'm asking for my music to pull at my heart or change my life... but something more than "Oh hot damn this is my jam" repeated 50 times please...


I have a very random taste for music... and what I listen to changes about every month or so... I love finding new music though... kinda odd but it's one of my favorite things... finding a new group or singer that I really like.... :idk:

[Flexin]

naw... I don't like alot of pop... really I don't like most Top40 just cause it all seems to lack substance. :idk: not that I'm asking for my music to pull at my heart or change my life... but something more than "Oh hot damn this is my jam" repeated 50 times please...


I have a very random taste for music... and what I listen to changes about every month or so... I love finding new music though... kinda odd but it's one of my favorite things... finding a new group or singer that I really like.... :idk:

I like a lot of old music. I don't think I have anything on my MP3 player that has been made in the last couple of years. If I do I would guess it would be less then 25 out of just under 900 songs. Not that I don't like it I just don't have any on yet.

I love XM for finding music I like that isn't on the radio. I pick the stations that I like and flip the station if I don't like the song. I need to pay to get that I'm starting to miss it.

I listen to different things at times but I like the same type for the most part. I really fucked my family up when I started listening to Avenged Sevenfold because I listen to a lot of Hip Hop and R&B. I started listening to more music with a lot of guitar since buying one last year and trying to learn. Some of it I listened to before but not the same some 40 times a day. :LOL:

On my mp3 player I have

Reggae
Rock
R&B
Hip Hop
Motown
Blues

I'm really into sexy R&B get naked with your woman (and maybe her friend too) ghetto love songs.

Mine and my wifes song is Knockin' Boots by H-Town. We danced to it at a house party. It was our first dance together. lol My cousin was at the party and asked this girl to dance. I was getting dirty on the dance floor and he started copying me so I got real dirty. lol

I'm a big fan of Jodeci.

James

[Mr Lefty]

I've found A LOT of music by TV Show Soundtracks... Long Way Down and Long Way Round (awesome shows) soundtracks are awesome... lots of world music. House M.D. soundtrack season1-5 is good too. lots of crap but lots of good artests.

yeah I like the old school R&B too... but dont' listen to it often...

My iTunes has... well actually my iTunes has shit in it... cause I wiped out my library accidentaly when I restored my PC... but I had 100gig of fuck'n RANDOM music... Garth Brooks to Sanatra to Tupac to Beethoven to The Statler Brothers to Metalica to Bing Crosby.

I really dig blues and jazz lately... John Mayers last couple cd's I enjoy a lot... his first one or two were too popish for me...

[Flexin]

I've found A LOT of music by TV Show Soundtracks... Long Way Down and Long Way Round (awesome shows) soundtracks are awesome... lots of world music. House M.D. soundtrack season1-5 is good too. lots of crap but lots of good artests.

yeah I like the old school R&B too... but dont' listen to it often...

My iTunes has... well actually my iTunes has shit in it... cause I wiped out my library accidentaly when I restored my PC... but I had 100gig of fuck'n RANDOM music... Garth Brooks to Sanatra to Tupac to Beethoven to The Statler Brothers to Metalica to Bing Crosby.

I really dig blues and jazz lately... John Mayers last couple cd's I enjoy a lot... his first one or two were too popish for me...

Damn your music taste are crazier then mine.

For blues I haven't been listening to too too much. I need to find more I like. I'm listening to SRV, B.B King, John Lee Hooker, Eric Claptons blues songs (I'm not a fan of his regular stuff). There some more that I can't think of right now.

James

[Mr Lefty]

:lol: yeah even my music taste has ADD

I'll have to start a thread one of these days to get people to post some of their favorite songs/artists that day. cause I know mine change day to day...

today it's a country radio station... as I have no music of my own...

[Flexin]

:lol: yeah even my music taste has ADD

I'll have to start a thread one of these days to get people to post some of their favorite songs/artists that day. cause I know mine change day to day...

today it's a country radio station... as I have no music of my own...

:LOL:

Mom used to play George Jones to wake me up on the weekend. You would crank it up on my stereo which was in the living room. I would go out cursing and turn it off. By the time I got back to bed I would hear "Her name is.." I would go nuts. I'm not a fan.

But while driving through Michingan at night, alone in a rental car with no cds with me, the Hip Hop and R&B stations when out of ranges. I was pissed. Spent a few minutes looking for something else only to end up with some convoy music while driving behind three tractor trailers driving my rented Sebring. I was laughing my ass off. :LOL:

James

[fnfalman]

Etta James is a singer. Beyonce is an entertainer.

[the chi]

Etta James is a singer. Beyonce is an entertainer.

I think that pretty much sums it up right there. Most music "artists" today are "performers" as most people lack the appreciation of true vocal art and dont know it when they hear it. Same for instrumental.

Remember the clip of the world famous violinist? Same principle. If he'd been jumping up and down, jiggling, etc, he'd have proven "entertaining" or at least different enough for people to take notice. Instead, he was playing a multimillion dollar instrument and some of the most beautiful and challenging pieces in the world, and pretty much no one took note.

Etta James can be be credited by many as making "At Last" a known piece, more mainstream than previous artists. Therefore, she does have some feelings of ownership, and to not even be consulted as courtesy by someone she likely sees as a teeny bopper, I can see her frustration. Beyonce lacked professional courtesy in the very least, one singer to another.

[Papa_Complex]

I think that pretty much sums it up right there. Most music "artists" today are "performers" as most people lack the appreciation of true vocal art and dont know it when they hear it. Same for instrumental.

Remember the clip of the world famous violinist? Same principle. If he'd been jumping up and down, jiggling, etc, he'd have proven "entertaining" or at least different enough for people to take notice. Instead, he was playing a multimillion dollar instrument and some of the most beautiful and challenging pieces in the world, and pretty much no one took note.

Etta James can be be credited by many as making "At Last" a known piece, more mainstream than previous artists. Therefore, she does have some feelings of ownership, and to not even be consulted as courtesy by someone she likely sees as a teeny bopper, I can see her frustration. Beyonce lacked professional courtesy in the very least, one singer to another.

I think that's what residuals are for.

[the chi]

Im not talking about money. Im talking about professional courtesy, something little known today obviously.

[Trip]

Most musicians who make any serious money have sold their souls to do it. In their positions, who wouldn't? The only ones who bother me are the ones who try to make it look like they're 'edgy' and too 'cool' to sell out, when it's obviously exactly what they've done.

The difference between an artist that you think is a sell out and one that you think isn't, is usually whether you like that artist or not.

That's not the way I look at it, I like and have bought what I consider sellout music.

Aw I knew you were just being argumentative you old dog! I don't know and I suspect that neither do you,what Beyonce',Aguillera,etc went through before they were famous. My Dad was familiar with the Jackson family when we lived in Gary,Ind,they used to perform in laundromats for change. They struggled for many years and finally made it big. It's my opinion that as long as a performer keeps doing the type of music he started with,he can't be labeled a sell out when he makes it big.

I think it was just stated best if you are an entertainer more than an artist, you are a sellout. Basically if you don't write your own music you are a sellout. If you do write your own stuff and you change your band/group/single person act sound to fit with the new fad, you are a sellout. If you require lip synching to perform dance numbers or lip synch, you are a sellout. If you are a major artist in a certain genre and you do a song with another major artist from a genre than has no association with yours, you are a sellout example: Nelly and Tim Mcgraw.





As far as who is pop and who is not, it's simple, if you hear them on your local top 40 radio station, they are pop. Usher, Britney Spears, Beyonce, Nelly, Nickelback, Panic at the Disco, etc... are all pop, because it's simply just popular music.

[Papa_Complex]

Im not talking about money. Im talking about professional courtesy, something little known today obviously.

It has always been rare for one artist to ask permission to perform another artist's work. The respect tends to be shown by paying up, which is a legal requirement, but that can be skated on in many (if not most) cases.

[Papa_Complex]

That's not the way I look at it, I like and have bought what I consider sellout music.

Hence why I said "usually" rather than "always" ;)

[the chi]

It has always been rare for one artist to ask permission to perform another artist's work. The respect tends to be shown by paying up, which is a legal requirement, but that can be skated on in many (if not most) cases.


Yes, true, but in this case, Beyonce knows and has worked with Etta, in order to best portray her in a film. It would have been nothing to have picked up the phone...

[Papa_Complex]

Yes, true, but in this case, Beyonce knows and has worked with Etta, in order to best portray her in a film. It would have been nothing to have picked up the phone...

Apparently she didn't make a very good impression :lol:

[the chi]

Apparently she didn't make a very good impression :lol:


:lol: Now that I def agree with!! It might be entertaining to see a match btw the 2 of them, I wonder who'd win?

[fnfalman]

At Last by Beyonce sung live at Inargural Ball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGrq1SzkHs0

At Last by Beyonce in movie playing Etta James

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTMaj1zhk_g

At Last by Etta James when she was younger and sung live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goz07feA54Y&feature=related

Christina Aguillera's live butchery of the song but at least she has some oomph with her pipe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njph0QyXcKs&feature=related

[Trip]

Etta's voice has the bluesy feel to the song and is my personal preference. Beyonce gives it a really poppy feeling to it, where should be sung at the grammys with synthesised music. Christina is Christina, she tries to do to much with the song but has a good voice if she stopped trying to be a showboat and annoying the crap out of the audience.

I come from New Orleans though, I prefer the almost horse sounding voices of true jazz/blues artists as opposed to canned hollywood voices.

[Papa_Complex]

Damn man. I had to kill the Mouseketeer's version before it done kilt me.

[Flexin]

I think that pretty much sums it up right there. Most music "artists" today are "performers" as most people lack the appreciation of true vocal art and dont know it when they hear it. Same for instrumental.

Remember the clip of the world famous violinist? Same principle. If he'd been jumping up and down, jiggling, etc, he'd have proven "entertaining" or at least different enough for people to take notice. Instead, he was playing a multimillion dollar instrument and some of the most beautiful and challenging pieces in the world, and pretty much no one took note.

Etta James can be be credited by many as making "At Last" a known piece, more mainstream than previous artists. Therefore, she does have some feelings of ownership, and to not even be consulted as courtesy by someone she likely sees as a teeny bopper, I can see her frustration. Beyonce lacked professional courtesy in the very least, one singer to another.

I must have missed something. What did she do that "lacked professional courtesy"?

James

[the chi]

I must have missed something. What did she do that "lacked professional courtesy"?

James

Keep reading dude.

[Flexin]

At Last by Beyonce sung live at Inargural Ball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGrq1SzkHs0

At Last by Beyonce in movie playing Etta James

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTMaj1zhk_g

At Last by Etta James when she was younger and sung live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goz07feA54Y&feature=related

Christina Aguillera's live butchery of the song but at least she has some oomph with her pipe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njph0QyXcKs&feature=related

I enjoyed each one of those videos.

James

Keep reading dude.

I did.

James

[the chi]

It has always been rare for one artist to ask permission to perform another artist's work. The respect tends to be shown by paying up, which is a legal requirement, but that can be skated on in many (if not most) cases.

Yes, true, but in this case, Beyonce knows and has worked with Etta, in order to best portray her in a film. It would have been nothing to have picked up the phone...


See...look up...

[Flexin]

Etta's voice has the bluesy feel to the song and is my personal preference. Beyonce gives it a really poppy feeling to it, where should be sung at the grammys with synthesised music. Christina is Christina, she tries to do to much with the song but has a good voice if she stopped trying to be a showboat and annoying the crap out of the audience.

I come from New Orleans though, I prefer the almost horse sounding voices of true jazz/blues artists as opposed to canned hollywood voices.

I like the bluesy feel as well. But I don't think Beyonce sounded pop. The first thing that came to my mind was soul.

I'm a big fan of the remix. I like it when songs are redone. They are not always done well but I have heard many that were.

I don't feel an artist should try to do it exactly like the other singer before them. I think thats where some of them screw up. Like when people try to do Whitney Houston. Many fuck it up trying to copy her sound. Be yourself and give it all you got.

I love Christina's voice and like that she does it her way. Some thing she over does it but fuck it. She does it her way. What is bad is when someone can't sing and they try to do it the way Christina does it. In that case you have to jab them in the throat to put an end to it.

James

[the chi]

Honestly, its nice to hear someone with a good voice, but often their attempts to "make it their own" are what kill it.

Look at the national anthem for example...you often have artists KILLING it to try and make it something other than it is. However I have to give props to Jenn Hudson on her Super Bowl rendition, beautiful and in classic style! :dthumb:

[Flexin]

See...look up...

First of all I didn't know she didn't ask permission. Plus I'm sure that they had permission for the movie so do we know the details on that? And does Etta own the rights to that song or does a record label? Or is it owned by someone that just bought it up like Micheal Jackson does?

If it is owned by someone else she doesn't need to ask her.

James

[the chi]

First of all I didn't know she didn't ask permission. Plus I'm sure that they had permission for the movie so do we know the details on that? And does Etta own the rights to that song or does a record label? Or is it owned by someone that just bought it up like Micheal Jackson does?

If it is owned by someone else she doesn't need to ask her.

James

Geez dude, srsly?? Did you read this thread at all?!

PC and I had a whole discussion about the professional courtesy thing blah blah...please, much of page 2 was dedicated to this...

[Papa_Complex]

First of all I didn't know she didn't ask permission. Plus I'm sure that they had permission for the movie so do we know the details on that? And does Etta own the rights to that song or does a record label? Or is it owned by someone that just bought it up like Micheal Jackson does?

If it is owned by someone else she doesn't need to ask her.

James

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_Last

Ella Fitzgerald also sang it. Damned well.

[Flexin]

Geez dude, srsly?? Did you read this thread at all?!

PC and I had a whole discussion about the professional courtesy thing blah blah...please, muh of page 2 was dedicated to this...

No you didn't have a huge discussion about it. It just seemed to come out of no where. So I didn't know that you were talking about that.

I read every word in this thread.

James

[the chi]

No you didn't have a huge discussion about it. It just seemed to come out of no where. So I didn't know that you were talking about that.

I read every word in this thread.

James

Uh huh, I think you only paid attention to bits and pieces. Start at post 68. Then you'll know what we were talking about.

PC, youre right, Etta James did do it damned well. Altho I gotta give B props, I dont much care for her typically, but in the movie version she did it well. Not so much the inauguration. And for CA, dear gawd, that was rough.

[Flexin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_Last

Ella Fitzgerald also sang it. Damned well.

Whoa whoa whoa.

Trip you keep going on about people not writing their on song and how they are sell outs.

""At Last" is a 1941 song written by Mack Gordon and Harry Warren for the musical film Orchestra Wives,"

Etta did write the song, and she wasn't the first to sing it. You said she made it popular. Does that make it pop? But Beyoncé is now making it popular today. So does that mean that she now OWNS it?

James

[Mr Lefty]

so wait... does Ella own the song or not? if not... there's no reason for Beyonce to call her... I mean just because an artest remade the song... doesn't mean you have to call every person who's ever done it to get permission... just the person with the rights to it.

[Papa_Complex]

Having tossed a hand grenade into the room, I will now quietly back out and close the door behind me.

[the chi]

so wait... does Ella own the song or not? if not... there's no reason for Beyonce to call her... I mean just because an artest remade the song... doesn't mean you have to call every person who's ever done it to get permission... just the person with the rights to it.

And thus I reiterate my point about professional courtesy being a dead concept. *sigh* This is retarded.

Having tossed a hand grenade into the room, I will now quietly back out and close the door behind me.

GOOD JOB!!


:lol:

[Mr Lefty]

And thus I reiterate my point about professional courtesy being a dead concept. *sigh* This is retarded.

but my point is where does it stop... say if I wanted to record White Christmas... would I have to contact every person that recorded it and sold tons of copies to be considered "professionally courteous"?

how about the song I will always love you? would I have to check with Whitney to perform it? or Dolly Parton? Dolly wrote it... and sold a lot of records because of it. Whitney brought it to the rest of the (non country) world... so who "owns" it? who do I be "professionally courteous" to?


I understand your point... that you should ask permission even if you don't need it... but I'm just asking where you draw the line... ya know? :idk:

[the chi]

but my point is where does it stop... say if I wanted to record White Christmas... would I have to contact every person that recorded it and sold tons of copies to be considered "professionally courteous"?

how about the song I will always love you? would I have to check with Whitney to perform it? or Dolly Parton? Dolly wrote it... and sold a lot of records because of it. Whitney brought it to the rest of the (non country) world... so who "owns" it? who do I be "professionally courteous" to?


I understand your point... that you should ask permission even if you don't need it... but I'm just asking where you draw the line... ya know? :idk:

The only reason I bring it up in this instance, as I stated before, is because they did work closely together, and there was a relationship due to the movie work.

If you had done a movie portraying Bing Crosby and had worked with him, to get your performance down pat as Bing Crosby, theres a relationship there.

And if you were to go do some big thing using the song he helped make famous, and helped you to learn to perform as he did, then yes, with a relationship there, it would be courteous to contact him.

Now, if you didnt know him from adam, and were performing the song to the general public then no, it wouldnt matter. The point is, B failed to provide a courtesy to Etta.

[smileyman]

I will provide a courtesy...Lock this thread!

[the chi]

I will provide a courtesy...Lock this thread!

:lol: Awesome pic...right click save!

[Flexin]

The only reason I bring it up in this instance, as I stated before, is because they did work closely together, and there was a relationship due to the movie work.

If you had done a movie portraying Bing Crosby and had worked with him, to get your performance down pat as Bing Crosby, theres a relationship there.

And if you were to go do some big thing using the song he helped make famous, and helped you to learn to perform as he did, then yes, with a relationship there, it would be courteous to contact him.

Now, if you didnt know him from adam, and were performing the song to the general public then no, it wouldnt matter. The point is, B failed to provide a courtesy to Etta.


BUT she did work with Etta for the movie right? And any needed permission would have been done FOR the movie. Am I right here? And in making a movie a sound track is made. Singles from the sound track will be used as advertising. Sooooo Etta should have known damn well that she would be performing this song more then once. This she should know unless she is a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic.

And ebbs is right. You can't contact everyone. Damn for some songs the first to sing is are long gone. So really they only need to contact the legal owner of the song. But in this case because of the movie Etta was contacted.

James

[Flexin]

Here is the beautiful thing. The people in this thread that don't like Beyoncé can keep doing that and its fine. Thats the beautiful thing about living in North America. Your free to choose. Some people only like one type of music. Then some people like Ebbs like everything over the course of a month or so. :LOL:

James

[Avatard]

As a musician, I must say; This Thread = FAIL (on so many levels).

Wow.

[Archren]

Here is the beautiful thing. The people in this thread that don't like Beyoncé can keep doing that and its fine. Thats the beautiful thing about living in North America. Your free to choose. Some people only like one type of music. Then some people like Ebbs like everything over the course of a month or so. :LOL:

James

James, James, James... you forget it's the interwebs. If you don't share someone else's OPINION, you're an idiot! :lol:

[the chi]

BUT she did work with Etta for the movie right? And any needed permission would have been done FOR the movie. Am I right here? And in making a movie a sound track is made. Singles from the sound track will be used as advertising. Sooooo Etta should have known damn well that she would be performing this song more then once. This she should know unless she is a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic.

And ebbs is right. You can't contact everyone. Damn for some songs the first to sing is are long gone. So really they only need to contact the legal owner of the song. But in this case because of the movie Etta was contacted.

James


I give up. You completely miss the point and the examples. Dont worry about it.

Just try and keep an open mind, not everyone is going to agree with you, and just because they dont doesnt mean they are wrong.

[Flexin]

I give up. You completely miss the point and the examples. Dont worry about it.

Just try and keep an open mind, not everyone is going to agree with you, and just because they dont doesnt mean they are wrong.

I'm the one with an open mind. Trip for example said he prefers a more bluesy style and made it sound like thats why he thinks she isn't a good singer.

I'm one a the few in this thread not trying to push a music type on anyone. I have never cared if I was the only one that liked a song. Shit at my wedding they had my cousin who was our dj play a song that I like. I didn't know anyone else that liked it. If anyone at my wedding would like it my cousin would. He hated the song. So I was the only one that liked it any nobody seemed to care. I was happy and singing it at the top of my lungs. :LOL: Enjoy what you like but don't hate on others for not liking the same music as you.

James

[the chi]

I'm the one with an open mind. Trip for example said he prefers a more bluesy style and made it sound like thats why he thinks she isn't a good singer.

I'm one a the few in this thread not trying to push a music type on anyone. I have never cared if I was the only one that liked a song. Shit at my wedding they had my cousin who was our dj play a song that I like. I didn't know anyone else that liked it. If anyone at my wedding would like it my cousin would. He hated the song. So I was the only one that liked it any nobody seemed to care. I was happy and singing it at the top of my lungs. :LOL: Enjoy what you like but don't hate on others for not liking the same music as you.

James


What are you talking about? Ive not attacked you for your music tastes, or told you they were wrong. I think you misread my posts that you keep singling out, or confuse me for someone elses.

Listen to what you like, I dont care. Nor am I gonna tell you its crap. Its each their own. I was talking about something completely different, but again, you seem to have missed my point. No worries.

:deadhorse:

Im probably as bad as ebbs on the music ADD, the only thing i dont listen to is Rap. I also love Opera, Classical, Techno (esp. remakes of actual songs into techno), angry music, you name it. Sometimes even the dreaded POP music. But I've not once dogged anyone for their tastes in this thread or any other.

[Flexin]

What are you talking about? Ive not attacked you for your music tastes, or told you they were wrong. I think you misread my posts that you keep singling out, or confuse me for someone elses.

Listen to what you like, I dont care. Nor am I gonna tell you its crap. Its each their own. I was talking about something completely different, but again, you seem to have missed my point. No worries.

:deadhorse:

Im probably as bad as ebbs on the music ADD, the only thing i dont listen to is Rap. I also love Opera, Classical, Techno (esp. remakes of actual songs into techno), angry music, you name it. Sometimes even the dreaded POP music. But I've not once dogged anyone for their tastes in this thread or any other.


I'm talking about the thread in general. I'm not attacking you.

No I don't misread your post. I'm replying to your post and I talk about other parts of the thread as well.

Techno is one type of music I can't get into at all. Opera I don't hate but I don't like at all.

So coles notes version.

When I reply to someone I respond to what is said and will throw in any other thing that was said by to many to just quote one person. So I'm not attacking you. And I'm not attacking anyone. I'm just having a discussion.

James

[Amber Lamps]

I've found A LOT of music by TV Show Soundtracks... Long Way Down and Long Way Round (awesome shows) soundtracks are awesome... lots of world music. House M.D. soundtrack season1-5 is good too. lots of crap but lots of good artests.

yeah I like the old school R&B too... but dont' listen to it often...

My iTunes has... well actually my iTunes has shit in it... cause I wiped out my library accidentaly when I restored my PC... but I had 100gig of fuck'n RANDOM music... Garth Brooks to Sanatra to Tupac to Beethoven to The Statler Brothers to Metalica to Bing Crosby.

I really dig blues and jazz lately... John Mayers last couple cd's I enjoy a lot... his first one or two were too popish for me...


here's the thing though...old R&B that some of you love,along with "classic rock" WAS "pop" back in the day. I'm old enough to remember alot of those old R&B songs being played every 15 min on the radio when I was a kid. The same goes Rock and Country. Shit,people probably got tired of hearing Beethoven's 5th every time they went to the theater...
Or Camptown Races... etc

[Amber Lamps]

Here is the beautiful thing. The people in this thread that don't like Beyoncé can keep doing that and its fine. Thats the beautiful thing about living in North America. Your free to choose. Some people only like one type of music. Then some people like Ebbs like everything over the course of a month or so. :LOL:

James

Ok for one,I'll bet you a million dollars that Etta never contacted Nat King Cole or Glenn Miller before she sang that song. Contacting every singer who has had success with a particular tune before you perform it is silly. I guarantee that Beyonce' had permission to use that song during the inauguration from the people who matter. Etta James does not,thus she was not consulted anymore than I feel the need to contact everyone who previously rented a particular car before I take it out. Basically,that song is a whore,you don't need all the Johns' permission to fuck it,only the pimp's. Back to the OP...the only reason Etta James is pissed is that SHE wasn't invited to sing that turd of a "ditty" to Obama,case closed!

[Papa_Complex]

here's the thing though...old R&B that some of you love,along with "classic rock" WAS "pop" back in the day. I'm old enough to remember alot of those old R&B songs being played every 15 min on the radio when I was a kid. The same goes Rock and Country. Shit,people probably got tired of hearing Beethoven's 5th every time they went to the theater...
Or Camptown Races... etc

Depends on what you listen to, with that old stuff. Some was 'pop.' A lot wasn't, because it wasn't POPular, except perhaps in specific crowds. Sort of like the music that is now being played by college stations, that couldn't get play back then.

[Amber Lamps]

Depends on what you listen to, with that old stuff. Some was 'pop.' A lot wasn't, because it wasn't POPular, except perhaps in specific crowds. Sort of like the music that is now being played by college stations, that couldn't get play back then.

BULLSHIT! I'm talking about the old R&B that everyone is always on about... I understand that there will always be music that doesn't quite make it into the main stream...I have a fuck load of it right here in my house! I was so into indie music that I would IMMEDIATELY destroy a tape/record if it ever played on the radio! Most of the R&B,Classic Rock,Country Western,etc people talk about loving so much was played absolutely to DEATH back in the day!

Oh and as far as college stations go...remember LIVE? Kid Rock? Pearl Jam? Red Hot Chili Peppers? Beastie Boys? All of these artists couldn't get air time to save their lives and were only played on college radio. As soon as they started making money though...*BANG* they're sell outs! Whatever! Elvis played shithole bars for years before he got a break. It's all the same,nothing has changed is all I'm saying.

[Flexin]

Ok for one,I'll bet you a million dollars that Etta never contacted Nat King Cole or Glenn Miller before she sang that song. Contacting every singer who has had success with a particular tune before you perform it is silly. I guarantee that Beyonce' had permission to use that song during the inauguration from the people who matter. Etta James does not,thus she was not consulted anymore than I feel the need to contact everyone who previously rented a particular car before I take it out. Basically,that song is a whore,you don't need all the Johns' permission to fuck it,only the pimp's. Back to the OP...the only reason Etta James is pissed is that SHE wasn't invited to sing that turd of a "ditty" to Obama,case closed!

Well said.

James

[Flexin]

BULLSHIT! I'm talking about the old R&B that everyone is always on about... I understand that there will always be music that doesn't quite make it into the main stream...I have a fuck load of it right here in my house! I was so into indie music that I would IMMEDIATELY destroy a tape/record if it ever played on the radio! Most of the R&B,Classic Rock,Country Western,etc people talk about loving so much was played absolutely to DEATH back in the day!

Oh and as far as college stations go...remember LIVE? Kid Rock? Pearl Jam? Red Hot Chili Peppers? Beastie Boys? All of these artists couldn't get air time to save their lives and were only played on college radio. As soon as they started making money though...*BANG* they're sell outs! Whatever! Elvis played shithole bars for years before he got a break. It's all the same,nothing has changed is all I'm saying.


I couldn't care less how much air play it gets. Jodeci was played a lot and I play it just as much now as they did if not more now. If I love a song you would be amazed at how many times I can listen to it without getting tired of it.

The song I like that no one I know likes is Lookin boy by Hot Stylz and I didn't care who liked it. I played that thing like crazy. I'm playing it right now because I was just talking about.

There is music that I love that gets played non stop and it doesn't change my feelings on it all.

James

[Mr Lefty]

I'm listening to back and forth by Aaliyah. Haven't heard this in a long ass time. That is all :lol:

[Flexin]

I'm listening to back and forth by Aaliyah. Haven't heard this in a long ass time. That is all :lol:

Damn I haven't heard that in at least 6 months. Nice choice. What on for tomorrow? Willie Nelson? LOL

James

[Mr Lefty]

Actually right now is ben onono "blink". Good song btw. Youtube it.

[Flexin]

Actually right now is ben onono "blink". Good song btw. Youtube it.

I searched but I'm getting a lot of results. What is the song title?

James

[Mr Lefty]

Title of song is Blink. The artist is Ben Onono

[fnfalman]

, the only thing i dont listen to is Rap.

What? No 2LiveCrew? No EasyE? No Heavy D?

[the chi]

What? No 2LiveCrew? No EasyE? No Heavy D?


UH UH. Its not music to me, its noise and more often than not rather crude.

[Papa_Complex]

UH UH. Its not music to me, its noise and more often than not rather crude.

A less creative version of late '50s Beatnik poetry.

[Trip]

Let's say music is a multi topping pizza, you got a whole bunch of toppings satisfying everyone who chipped in money to buy the pizza. Well one guy got pissed off that he didn't get his topping onto the pizza and so he took a dump on it. Rap is the nice couple of hershey's kisses laying right on top of the pizza.

[Mr Lefty]

I don't care for rap all that much anymore... But I did like tupac, dre, xibit, snoop, and the like. Mostly old school west coast. Though biggy and dmx I listened to a lot too.

Newer stuff just doesn't interest me. :idk:

[Amber Lamps]

I don't care for rap all that much anymore... But I did like tupac, dre, xibit, snoop, and the like. Mostly old school west coast. Though biggy and dmx I listened to a lot too.

Newer stuff just doesn't interest me. :idk:

Well one thing I will say in support of "Rap",please just don't confuse Hip Hop with Rap,they are two different types of music. A lot of people who say they don't like Rap are actually referring to Hip Hop.

[Tmall]

Well one thing I will say in support of "Rap",please just don't confuse Hip Hop with Rap,they are two different types of music. A lot of people who say they don't like Rap are actually referring to Hip Hop.


It's almost funny that in your sig, you look like a stereotypical rap listener.. :whistle:

And one thing I will say is that, most times in rap and hip hop, they steal "sample" an already popular song throw in three different lyrics ( usually "Yeah" "Uh huh" and "Booyyyiie!") and claim it as their own.

THEN, wonder why nobody likes their art. I wouldn't repaint the mona lisa with blonde hair and pretend that I was something special.

Is that to say all rap and hip hop suck? Not at all. But, the majority of it is garbage.

Could be the fact that I'm a country born white boy. Or, it could just because the music isn't that great to people who look for substance in lyrics. Not just catchy jingles and beats.

[Mr Lefty]

Well one thing I will say in support of "Rap",please just don't confuse Hip Hop with Rap,they are two different types of music. A lot of people who say they don't like Rap are actually referring to Hip Hop.

Yeah I hear ya. I REALLY don't like most hip-hop. I haven't listened to much of either in the last year or two though.

[Flexin]

UH UH. Its not music to me, its noise and more often than not rather crude.

Noise? But you call Techno music.

James

[Archren]

This thread makes me laugh.. music is so highly subjective. :lol:

[Tmall]

Just to clarify, I don't care what anybody listens to.

But, if I say, "I think rap sucks..". You're not going to change my opinion. I don't care how YOU feel about the music. I'm the one listening with my ears.

[Papa_Complex]

Noise? But you call Techno music.

James

I call it repetitive droning, but then again have also been known to listen to Industrial.

[Archren]

Just to clarify, I don't care what anybody listens to.

But, if I say, "I think rap sucks..". You're not going to change my opinion. I don't care how YOU feel about the music. I'm the one listening with my ears.

That's my point. I don't care what you listen to.. but I'm not going to force my music tastes on anyone else (unless I'm the one driving.. then I have control of the radio redflip ), or expect anyone to like/dislike a certain genre just because I do. :lol:

[AquaEv77]

music is like art, some you like some you dont

beyonce :panic:

didnt like it then
dont like it now

no ring on it <--IMHO
its the stupidst song yet

[the chi]

Noise? But you call Techno music.

James

Yeah, so? Your point? Its music to ME.

I specifically said RAP is not music to ME. That doesnt mean it isnt music to someone else.


Aquaev nailed it. Music is art, and everything is different to everyone.

[Flexin]

It's almost funny that in your sig, you look like a stereotypical rap listener.. :whistle:

And one thing I will say is that, most times in rap and hip hop, they steal "sample" an already popular song throw in three different lyrics ( usually "Yeah" "Uh huh" and "Booyyyiie!") and claim it as their own.

THEN, wonder why nobody likes their art. I wouldn't repaint the mona lisa with blonde hair and pretend that I was something special.

Is that to say all rap and hip hop suck? Not at all. But, the majority of it is garbage.

Could be the fact that I'm a country born white boy. Or, it could just because the music isn't that great to people who look for substance in lyrics. Not just catchy jingles and beats.

Whats wrong with redoing a song? Its done by many types of music. And sometimes all they are doing is adding to a beat then putting in their own lyrics.

Its funny your talking about rap/hip hop stealing songs and claiming them as their own. All this in a thread about a woman that wants to slap another woman for stealing "her" song or just singing it. A song that she didn't right, wasn't writing for her, or wasn't even the first to sing it. Funny stuff.

James

[Flexin]

Yeah, so? Your point? Its music to ME.

I specifically said RAP is not music to ME. That doesnt mean it isnt music to someone else.


Aquaev nailed it. Music is art, and everything is different to everyone.

Yes but its still music. I don't like country, Opera or Techno but I don't claim that its not music. It is music.

James

[Flexin]

Just to clarify, I don't care what anybody listens to.

But, if I say, "I think rap sucks..". You're not going to change my opinion. I don't care how YOU feel about the music. I'm the one listening with my ears.

I don't think anyone wants you to like rap music. Like I said earlier. Thats the beauty of it. Everyone is free to like what they want.

James

[smileyman]

As a musician, I must say; This Thread = FAIL (on so many levels).

Wow.

At least Flexin was able to lock the most posts in a thread record! :twfix:

[the chi]

Yes but its still music. I don't like country, Opera or Techno but I don't claim that its not music. It is music.

James

Okay Mr. "Im right and everyone else is wrong", I am free to my opinion, as are you, quit trying to change mine and everyone elses just because you dont agree with it. Im not trying to tell you to change your views or that Rap isnt a form of music to YOU. Give it a break. Rap is not music in my book. Period. End of my part in this discussion. I dont care if you think it is, or if you like it or anything else or if you dont agree.

[fnfalman]

Rap is not music in my book. Period. End of my part in this discussion. I dont care if you think it is, or if you like it or anything else or if you dont agree.

The Chi had spoken. Let it be written. Let it be done.
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[Mr Lefty]

it's all music... just not good music.... IMO... even that shit 50Cent makes... it may have less tallent behind it than a 3rd grader playing the recorder... but still music :lol:

[Flexin]

Okay Mr. "Im right and everyone else is wrong", I am free to my opinion, as are you, quit trying to change mine and everyone elses just because you dont agree with it. Im not trying to tell you to change your views or that Rap isnt a form of music to YOU. Give it a break. Rap is not music in my book. Period. End of my part in this discussion. I dont care if you think it is, or if you like it or anything else or if you dont agree.

Yeah ok. I'm the one that has to be right all the time. :dthumb:

James

[Amber Lamps]

it's all music... just not good music.... IMO... even that shit 50Cent makes... it may have less tallent behind it than a 3rd grader playing the recorder... but still music :lol:


Whatever,let me know when any of you Rap haters make your first platinum record. I believe that everyone has a right to listen to what they want but some of you will admit,you lind of blind sided rap for no apparent reason here...we were talking about Etta James/Beyonce' and all of a sudden here comes the anti-rap posts....wtf? hell,I can't stand jazz! At least that would be Germain considering that Etta James was considered a jazz singer. Neither of them perform Rap btw...

Oh and if you crackers think that rap doesn't require any talent/skill...let's have a Karaoke Challenge during the rally!

[Mr Lefty]

no... I didn't say rap doesn't take tallent... just don't like 50cent. I can appreciate that they have more musical tallent than I do... but as I have NONE... that doesn't mean much :lol:

like I said... I like some rap... just don't care for what I've heard of the newer stuff.

[Amber Lamps]

no... I didn't say rap doesn't take tallent... just don't like 50cent. I can appreciate that they have more musical tallent than I do... but as I have NONE... that doesn't mean much :lol:

like I said... I like some rap... just don't care for what I've heard of the newer stuff.


Awww...come on I want to have a Karaoke Challenge!!! Stand your fucking ground man!!! Seriously,I think that Lil' Wayne writes all of his lyrics on the toilet! In his defense,I've often thought that about various rock groups as well...

[Mr Lefty]

yeah... but I'd put Lil Wayne in Hip hop not rap... Hip Hop= teh suck

and you can have your Karaoke Challenge... unless your a masochist you don't want me singing :lol:

[Trip]

Whatever,let me know when any of you Rap haters make your first platinum record. I believe that everyone has a right to listen to what they want but some of you will admit,you lind of blind sided rap for no apparent reason here...we were talking about Etta James/Beyonce' and all of a sudden here comes the anti-rap posts....wtf? hell,I can't stand jazz! At least that would be Germain considering that Etta James was considered a jazz singer. Neither of them perform Rap btw...

Oh and if you crackers think that rap doesn't require any talent/skill...let's have a Karaoke Challenge during the rally!

Yes, because a whole bunch of dumbass surburb wiggers buying crappy music with daddy's money really proves rap is good......

Ice skating requires talent/skill, I couldn't do it, and I still think it's not a sport and really gay.

[Amber Lamps]

Yes, because a whole bunch of dumbass surburb wiggers buying crappy music with daddy's money really proves rap is good......

Ice skating requires talent/skill, I couldn't do it, and I still think it's not a sport and really gay.


Oh no not YOU again! Ok I understand that in your mind that if only 5 people buy album "A" and 100,000,000 buy album "B" that doesn't mean that album "B" is better...in fact,it seems that in your mind that makes album "B" intrinsically crap because it is POPular. I understand,shit I used to follow the same line for years! I hated any Pop,Rap,Hip Hop,R&B that was put out! I absolutely only listened to Rock,Heavy Metal,Alternative,etc. I've since endeavored to expand my musical tastes and I listen to some "Urban" music primarily in the car.

[Trip]

Oh no not YOU again! Ok I understand that in your mind that if only 5 people buy album "A" and 100,000,000 buy album "B" that doesn't mean that album "B" is better...in fact,it seems that in your mind that makes album "B" intrinsically crap because it is POPular. I understand,shit I used to follow the same line for years! I hated any Pop,Rap,Hip Hop,R&B that was put out! I absolutely only listened to Rock,Heavy Metal,Alternative,etc. I've since endeavored to expand my musical tastes and I listen to some "Urban" music primarily in the car.

I have already admitted to listening to some POPular music. Not all of it is bad. I just think rap is terrible. As is a lot of music that is popular. Hannah Montana sells insane amount of music and crap, does that mean her music is the best thing since slice bread? Fuck no, it's crap sold to a bunch of preteen moronic girls.

Harley Davidson is popular, does that mean it's so much better than the jap cruisers out there?

[Amber Lamps]

I have already admitted to listening to some POPular music. Not all of it is bad. I just think rap is terrible. As is a lot of music that is popular. Hannah Montana sells insane amount of music and crap, does that mean her music is the best thing since slice bread? Fuck no, it's crap sold to a bunch of preteen moronic girls.

Harley Davidson is popular, does that mean it's so much better than the jap cruisers out there?


M A Y B E . . . . . I mean are the masses ALWAYS wrong,Trip?

[Trip]

M A Y B E . . . . . I mean are the masses ALWAYS wrong,Trip?

No, that is why I said I listen to some POPular music, but generally people don't know what's best for them. That's why people are stupid.

[Amber Lamps]

No, that is why I said I listen to some POPular music.


Ok so if you listen to it,it's ok but if not it's crap? Well,I respect your right to your opinion. There's a lot of music that I don't like but I can almost always find something in it to admire. The difficulty of of certain guitar piece,the vocal range of the singer,how they strung the beats together in an insanely fast piece of techno,the way they transitioned from a crescendo to a lull,the irony of a Rap lyric...

[Amber Lamps]

No, that is why I said I listen to some POPular music, but generally people don't know what's best for them. That's why people are stupid.


Oooo a little edit here... well it's a good thing you're here then to educate us on what we should be enjoying!

BTW you remind me of one of those guys that didn't buy a GSXR just because everyone else had one...BTW that's why I didn't get a CBR900RR back in '95 and got the FZR1000 instead.

[Trip]

Oooo a little edit here... well it's a good thing you're here then to educate us on what we should be enjoying!

BTW you remind me of one of those guys that didn't buy a GSXR just because everyone else had one...BTW that's why I didn't get a CBR900RR back in '95 and got the FZR1000 instead.

What did I edit? I am not here to educate you. People who want to be educated, will educate themselves. As for the others, we always need fry cooks and janitors.

I actually had a gixxer shipped to my local dealership and came within a signature of buying one last time. I bought the CBARRR because I liked the bike better.

[Trip]

Proof I said this earlier in this thread and you werent paying attention tigger:

http://www.twowheelfix.com/showpost.php?p=162094&postcount=71

That's not the way I look at it, I like and have bought what I consider sellout music.

[Amber Lamps]

What did I edit? I am not here to educate you. People who want to be educated, will educate themselves. As for the others, we always need fry cooks and janitors.

I actually had a gixxer shipped to my local dealership and came within a signature of buying one last time. I bought the CBARRR because I liked the bike better.

Post 150/151,I quoted you but your post changed...no biggie! Anyway,one thing I've learned in my life is that if you give something an honest chance,you may surprise yourself and come to like it.

[Amber Lamps]

Proof I said this earlier in this thread and you werent paying attention tigger:

http://www.twowheelfix.com/showpost.php?p=162094&postcount=71

Oh I never accused you of saying you hate ALL pop music...

[Trip]

Post 150/151,I quoted you but your post changed...no biggie! Anyway,one thing I've learned in my life is that if you give something an honest chance,you may surprise yourself and come to like it.

oh i added on to the end, I thought you were talking about the beginning. Yeah I added on after having the post up 5 seconds and it combined my post, so I edited it to combine the two. It's the double posting feature.

another post showing this feature.

[Mr Lefty]

so would you have gone with a license of Gixxaa instead of CBRRRR :lol:

[Trip]

so would you have gone with a license of Gixxaa instead of CBRRRR :lol:

lol, i dont know what i would of got if i got the gixxer. I can't go to the local aprillia dealership anymore because of that though. They were really pissed I didn't buy that bike.

[Mr Lefty]

:lol: well sucks for them...

[Tmall]

Yeah ok. I'm the one that has to be right all the time. :dthumb:

James

You "might" not need to be right. But, I think you'd rather die a horrible death than let somebody else get the last word..

I was actually going to debate you the other day about walking in rough parts of town alone at night. But, I KNEW (without a doubt) you'd come back and tell me that you've done it before, and you'd do it again and you see no problem in walking through the roughest parts of town alone in the wee hours of the night..

Sooo.. I didn't. Which is probably for the best. lol

[Amorok]

I still feel that most pop music sucks, and I refuse to discuss it. Listen to Metallica now and listen to them 20 years ago and tell me there isn't a disconnect. Or listen to Toys in the Attic, then listen to Just Push Play, and you'll understand why I don't listen to Aerosmith anymore. Music is becoming trite bullshit for the most part, which is why for the last few weeks my iPod has played only the Nekromantix, the Horrorpops, Queens of the Stone Age, Eagles of Death Metal, Tiger Army, and Dethklok.

And no matter what you say, Britney Spears sucks and will never have a song that doesn't.

[Flexin]

You "might" not need to be right. But, I think you'd rather die a horrible death than let somebody else get the last word..

I was actually going to debate you the other day about walking in rough parts of town alone at night. But, I KNEW (without a doubt) you'd come back and tell me that you've done it before, and you'd do it again and you see no problem in walking through the roughest parts of town alone in the wee hours of the night..

Sooo.. I didn't. Which is probably for the best. lol

I don't feel thats the case. And about the rough parts of town. I don't walk there if I don't need to be there. I don't stroll around the hood for no reason. I was just saying what I did. I don't make up shit.

And as far as the last word...I wouldn't call it that its just some topics get me talking. And if the topic isn't done then I keep talking. There has been a couple of threads on CF where something really pissed me off so yeah I wasn't stopping till shit was locked down.

James

[Mr Lefty]

Last word whore :lol:

[Flexin]

Last word whore :lol:

I'm rubber your glue... :dlit: :lol:

James

[Papa_Complex]

Enh. Whatever.