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RACER X
02-19-2009, 12:27 PM
hmmmm


Very important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House.

This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.

We just learned yesterday about this on the Peter Boyles radio program.

Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under the radar.

To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

•It is registered

•You are fingerprinted

•You supply a current Driver's License

•You supply your Social Security #

•You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing

•Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.

•There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.

They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family - pass this along.

Peter Boyles is on this and having guests. Listen to him on KHOW 630 a.m. in the morning. He suggests the best way to fight this is to tell all your friends about it and "spring into action". Also he suggests we all join a pro-gun group like the Colorado Rifle Association, hunting associations, gun clubs and especially the NRA.

This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it.

This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.

If you take my gun, only the criminal will have one to use against me. HR 45 only makes me/us less safe. After working with convicts for 26 years I know this bill, if passed, would make them happy and in less danger from their victims.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45

HRCNICK11
02-19-2009, 03:21 PM
:dthumb: :pat:

azoomm
02-19-2009, 04:20 PM
It's right now in Subcommittee. If you want to hang it up, stall it there then it won't ever get to the floor for a vote. It's all about working the system :wink:

Amorok
02-19-2009, 04:22 PM
I sent a letter to my congressmen from KY, the ones in MS, and the ones from ND as well. Stop trying to take my guns away!

pauldun170
02-19-2009, 04:25 PM
So...the worry is that they will make gun registration and licensing national?

G-Rex
02-19-2009, 04:35 PM
I really thought the incoming House/Congress/Administration would put any attack on the gun laws off until/if/when/ the current President had his 2nd term firmly in hand. It would appear I was wrong.

pauldun170
02-19-2009, 04:52 PM
Federal licensing and registration of firearms....
States choose the way they implement it and first check to see if you are a nut job, then keeps track of what you have.

Basically a DMV for guns.

Dave
02-19-2009, 05:07 PM
I really thought the incoming House/Congress/Administration would put any attack on the gun laws off until/if/when/ the current President had his 2nd term firmly in hand. It would appear I was wrong.

nope it appears to be a mad dash to the left. 2010 and 2012 ought to be...fruitfull. im just hoping our gov has done enough to lose his seat.

G-Rex
02-19-2009, 05:08 PM
then keeps track of what you have.

This is where the problem is.

I don't own any guns. Never have. I intend to at some point. However, when that day comes, it's not anybody's business how many I have except mine.

Registration of firearms and their quantity will lead to two things.

1) Ultimately the government will decide at what point how many weapons you own constitutes a threat to national security. Cue the FBI to investigate, make you feel like a criminal, and take your weapons.

2) Once the weapons are registered, it becomes a simpler matter to start killing gun owner's rights to the point of weapons becoming illegal altogether. At that point, it's a simple matter to attempt to collect them. "Well, they're all registered. We know where they are. Let's go get them."

A particular popular phrase comes to mind here.....something about cold dead hands.

pauldun170
02-19-2009, 05:12 PM
This is where the problem is.

I don't own any guns. Never have. I intend to at some point. However, when that day comes, it's not anybody's business how many I have except mine.

Registration of firearms and their quantity will lead to two things.

1) Ultimately the government will decide at what point how many weapons you own constitutes a threat to national security. Cue the FBI to investigate, make you feel like a criminal, and take your weapons.

2) Once the weapons are registered, it becomes a simpler matter to start killing gun owner's rights to the point of weapons becoming illegal altogether. At that point, it's a simple matter to attempt to collect them. "Well, they're all registered. We know where they are. Let's go get them."

A particular popular phrase comes to mind here.....something about cold dead hands.

So everyone is nervous about a Slippery Slope?

Dave
02-19-2009, 05:14 PM
the can show up whenever they like to inspect bit is bullshit. (actually the whole thing is) thats the kind of shit that drove me away from the regular army. i will not tolerate it in my personal life

G-Rex
02-19-2009, 05:14 PM
So everyone is nervous about a Slippery Slope?

I can't speak for everyone else, but you know as well as I do how the slippery slope comes into play when it comes to the government in general.

pauldun170
02-19-2009, 05:34 PM
I can't speak for everyone else, but you know as well as I do how the slippery slope comes into play when it comes to the government in general.

Well, hopefully the bill will die.

Amber Lamps
02-19-2009, 08:27 PM
Well, hopefully the bill will die.


Shit son,they passed that stimulus plan,they can pass anything!!! They just about have enough votes to make Obama Chancellor! Zeig Heil!!!

Homeslice
02-20-2009, 01:08 AM
Plenty of people including myself bitch about slippery slope re: Patriot Act, so there's nothing wrong with bitching about slippery slope re: gun laws.

Adeptus_Minor
02-20-2009, 02:34 AM
Plenty of people including myself bitch about slippery slope re: Patriot Act, so there's nothing wrong with bitching about slippery slope re: gun laws.

It's all the same thing.
Those in power want us to believe that the more control we give them, the safer they can keep us.
The sad part is how many people can accept that sort of dependence and really believe we're better off that way.

pauldun170
02-25-2009, 02:19 PM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/blairholt.asp

highflyer
02-25-2009, 04:06 PM
basically, this law is another version of other laws that have been put in place in places in europe and other places in the world. the Govts thought that by controling and regulation the guns owned by it's citizens, that it would reduce crime.

basically what happened, is almost every type of weapon became outlawed and in some cases confiscated because all the law obiding citizens had followed the rules and registered their guns.

as laws got tighter and guns were taken, the crime rate sky rocketed. only the criminals then had guns. they knew that they were safe to do just about anything they wanted with very little fear of retaliation from their victims....

this law is the U.S.'s first step in that direction......

from my cold dead hands..........