How can a dog have so much stamina?

[Kaneman]

This is Jethro, he was an out of control and dog aggressive Boxer that my wife and I adopted. I promptly gave him a job and put him to work as a puller and transporter. We began with wild unpredictable runs on rollerblades and progressed to impressively controlled marathons and then to a kid-pulling cart.

He's about two years old and I've had him for over a year. He's about 95lbs and I'm about 195. He pulls me (without the cart) at a consistent 20mph for a while and levels off around 15mph with occasional bursts. He knows left, right, whoa and stop so I've managed to survive these daily excursions in spite of running across a rabbit or squirrel here and there.

Last Tuesday I took him to a local park with paved trails to do some skating/pulling. I took a GPS with me to track our mileage and speed. He pulled me right at 6 miles (don't have the speed since we stop for breaks). He does not trot, he runs the entire time save for water breaks. At our half-time I let him swim in the river and he proceeded to chase ducks up stream for 100yds....then he was ready for more running. Once we got home he still had enough energy left to wrestle with my choc lab.

At the dog park he outruns 95% of all the dogs he coerces into chasing him. He rarely tires. He can pull the cart with two kids in it and me for great distances as well, though we've never gone as much as 6 miles. He pulls me up long steep hills...like the little engine that could.

He doesn't eat a great amount of food (5-6 cups a day) and he folds up into a space small enough to occupy only one couch cushion. My question is how does he manage to have such unbelievable stamina and strength. Or any dog for that matter. How do their bodies run so much more efficiently than ours or does a dog not feel fatigue or muscle burn?

Thoughts?

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/PsychoMedic/jethro2-1.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/PsychoMedic/jethro1-1.jpg
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[Lamnidae]

Dogs are awesome.


Nuff said.

[Dave]

you hit it in the second half, way more toned

[the chi]

:lol: That is hilarious, I am LOVING the cart. Awesome dog and well, they just dont feel or think the way humans do. Our mental weakness accounts for most of our weakness and inability to do things. If we never knew what we COULDNT do, there would be no limits to what we can do.

We tell ourselves "I can't", and they never stop to think about if they can or not, they just do!

[Ducati Diva]

I want to ride in the cart!!! That looks like a blast!
Dogs are amazing creatures!

[OneSickPsycho]

:lol: That is hilarious, I am LOVING the cart. Awesome dog and well, they just dont feel or think the way humans do. Our mental weakness accounts for most of our weakness and inability to do things. If we never knew what we COULDNT do, there would be no limits to what we can do.

We tell ourselves "I can't", and they never stop to think about if they can or not, they just do!

So is that why my cat can stand in front of the fridge and jump to the top without even running... and I can't jump onto the roof of my two-story condo no matter how much of a running start I get?

[jtemple]

We tell ourselves "I can't", and they never stop to think about if they can or not, they just do!If you can beat that mind game, you can really push yourself at the gym, that's for sure. I'm slowly discovering that no matter how bad an exercise hurts, I can usually keep going. I surprise myself quite a bit!

Don't forget dogs have a much shorter lifespan. All that pushing and pushing might be wearing them out. They sprint through life, we jog.

[Kaneman]

:lol: That is hilarious, I am LOVING the cart. Awesome dog and well, they just dont feel or think the way humans do. Our mental weakness accounts for most of our weakness and inability to do things. If we never knew what we COULDNT do, there would be no limits to what we can do.

We tell ourselves "I can't", and they never stop to think about if they can or not, they just do!

That's a great explanation actually, we could all learn more from our dogs! haha

I want to ride in the cart!!! That looks like a blast!
Dogs are amazing creatures!

You totally could no problem. Actually, we're about to move to a place where the roads aren't as great for rollerblading and I'm developing a Boxer Chariot. Plan to use the same platform but modify the balance point on the cart so I can stand up gladiator style. Expect pics of that in a couple months!


Don't forget dogs have a much shorter lifespan. All that pushing and pushing might be wearing them out. They sprint through life, we jog.

That's a good point too, but shut your mouth anyway 'cause my dog will live to be at least 60. :dthumb:
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[Dave]

So is that why my cat can stand in front of the fridge and jump to the top without even running... and I can't jump onto the roof of my two-story condo no matter how much of a running start I get?

i wanna see video. max's vertical range is about five feet

[OneSickPsycho]

i wanna see video. max's vertical range is about five feet

I've only ever seen it happen once... He's fuckin' lazy, but I'll try to coax him...

[azoomm]

Josh - what an AWESOME dog!! He's cool :dthumb:

Question, what do you mean not a lot of food? 5-6 CUPS of food a day is at least three times what my dog eats...

[Smittie61984]

Dogs are just fucking awesome. They just know "Do". Hell, they loose a leg and once it is fixed they go on through life like they never had it in the 1st place and are just as happy as they were with 4legs.

And dogs should not have short lifespans. Them not having the same lifespan as us is proof that God exists and that God hates us. Why have us go through anguish one time when we can do it many times in our lifetime? This dog of mine now is my life. I can't imagine how many tears I'll cry when he dies. No doubt in my mind I'll be inconsolable for a long period of time.

Cats are cool for about 2 years. I'd own a cat if they had a 2 year lease program so you can have kittens your whole life.

[Cass]

I don't have any answer other than "he's a boxer, they're built with lots of energy to spare" :lol: My guy isn't quite as beefy as yours, but he's all go, all the time.

I've said it before and I'll probably say it again, he's a BEAUTIFUL boy!!

[Rider]

That's not a purebred Boxer. He is a mix of something like a mastiff or other big dog.

[jtemple]

That's a good point too, but shut your mouth anyway 'cause my dog will live to be at least 60. :dthumb:Mine too!

[xx CURVE xx]

Dogs kick ass...yours is too cool :rockout:

Thats what i need to do with my dog! :lol: he's got too much energy for his own good and comes off as "agressive".....build me a cart :D :dthumb:

[AquaPython]

cool dog.

HOWEVER,








no matter how hard you try, you just cant look tough with roller blades on, FAG-A-MuFFIN!

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/PsychoMedic/jethro1-1.jpg

[cbrchick]

He is one luck dog! Way to tap into his energy in a positive way. Large dogs like that need an outlet for their energy/aggression. Does well to remove negative stereotypes surrounding those breads as well.

I think some dogs are just "working" dogs by nature and need a job to do to occupy all their energy. They keep going and going b/c it makes them happy. He's fortunate that you've found out what activities challenge him to do a good job.

If my pup weren't close to 7, we'd always thought about designing something similar for him as well. Long runs with my hubby now make him sore in the hips. For our big lab mix, we have a back pack that we load with supplies on hikes/trips. One man, one kit. His whole demeanor changes and he now has a job to do. He pulls less on the lead and will go for miles. He'll also swim and swim and swim. Designed years ago for pulling in fishing nets, we can't keep him out of the freezing ocean or coax him outta the water if he's in the mood for a dip.


Anyway, I ramble. I think it's wicked what you are doing. He looks so proud to be there, attached to his chariot. Eager to please.

[Kaneman]

Josh - what an AWESOME dog!! He's cool :dthumb:

Question, what do you mean not a lot of food? 5-6 CUPS of food a day is at least three times what my dog eats...

How big is your dog? What about other big dogs in the 90lb range? How much do they usually eat? He gets 4 cups of dry, half a can of wet food and some missing link everyday.

That's not a purebred Boxer. He is a mix of something like a mastiff or other big dog.

A lot of dog people go back on forth on Jethro. Some swear he's a definitely pure bred and that he just has prominent Mastiff genes, others think he's mixed. My guess is that he's a Boxer/Italian Mastiff mix.

Dogs kick ass...yours is too cool :rockout:

Thats what i need to do with my dog! :lol: he's got too much energy for his own good and comes off as "agressive".....build me a cart :D :dthumb:

When I took Jethro he had just finished eating about $3,000 worth of nice backyard furniture so we had to figure something out fast. The rollerblading was pretty scary until I got him trained!

cool dog.

HOWEVER,

no matter how hard you try, you just cant look tough with roller blades on, FAG-A-MuFFIN!


hahaha, don't be mad cause you can't skate foo! Beside, nobody messes with me when I've got Jethro.
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[cbrchick]

My dog's 106. We think lab and roti mix as he is much taller than other labs and has strong muscular legs/large head :)

We feed him 4 cups a day of high quality dog food. Fromm - dunno if it's available down south. My hubby was feeding him Iams since puppy hood, and it's crap.

There's a lot of dog food comparo sites out there. Might be a good idea to see how your dog food compares to others. A lot of supposedly "good" quality dog foods aren't.

Since putting him on the Fromm (salmon), he's leaner, his coat shines, his joints can take a more severe beating, and he stink less :)

[Ninjakel]

Leon tried to do the skateboard thing with Loki......until he snatched the skateboard and tried to kill it :lol:

He's gorgeous, Josh. POst more pics.

[Ninjakel]

http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/

[Rider]

A lot of dog people go back on forth on Jethro. Some swear he's a definitely pure bred and that he just has prominent Mastiff genes, others think he's mixed. My guess is that he's a Boxer/Italian Mastiff mix.




Very cool dog either way. I hope my Boxer doesn't get anywhere close to that big though. He turned 6 months old a few days ago and he in now 46lbs.

I need to get some new pics of him posted.

[Kaneman]

Leon tried to do the skateboard thing with Loki......until he snatched the skateboard and tried to kill it :lol:

He's gorgeous, Josh. POst more pics.

You don't have to ask twice!

The original dog cart was waaaaay too unstable:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/PsychoMedic/wagon5.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/PsychoMedic/wagon2.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/PsychoMedic/jethro1.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/PsychoMedic/jethro3.jpg
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[the chi]

So is that why my cat can stand in front of the fridge and jump to the top without even running... and I can't jump onto the roof of my two-story condo no matter how much of a running start I get?

Hmmm, maybe. :lol: That or your inherent laziness keeps you from doing so! :wink: I keed...Id pay to see video of you trying however!

Cats are super creatures dude, Im pretty sure that if they decided to fly (on their own) they would find a way to do so. I mean seriously, did you forget that cats rule the world and we are but their insignificant box keepers?

I LOVE the wagon, that is hilarious! How many times did you lose a kid when he took off?

[Rider]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/PsychoMedic/jethro1.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/PsychoMedic/jethro3.jpg

You captured the typical Boxer traits in those 2 photos. Clown and then Confident and Courageous

[Ninjakel]

AWWWW......look at those drooly lips :lol:

Our boxer is about to turn 2, and he is about 75 pounds now.

Loki turned 2 last week, and he's about 110-120 pounds

[marko138]

Love that first picture with the cart. He looks so proud.

I'm with ya though...my dog has so much energy. I did a canoe trip last summer with him. Friday night we did about 5 miles...he swam about 3.5 miles. Then he was ready to play when we got to camp.

[Kaneman]

I LOVE the wagon, that is hilarious! How many times did you lose a kid when he took off?

haha, I'd like to say none....buuuut the very first time the idea of a cart came up I did it with leashes instead of hard-mounted poles. We took a turn, the cart clipped a curb and Michael went flying out. He was all geared up though so no harm.

You captured the typical Boxer traits in those 2 photos. Clown and then Confident and Courageous

That's Jethro for sure.

AWWWW......look at those drooly lips :lol:

Our boxer is about to turn 2, and he is about 75 pounds now.

Loki turned 2 last week, and he's about 110-120 pounds

No WAY!! I didn't think Loki would get that big, lemme see a recent pic. See, people here don't know you're the actual owner of the original coolest Boxer ever to walk planet earth.
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[Ninjakel]

This is the Loki meister :lol:

The biggest mushball baby ever

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u18/ninjakel77/pups/DSCF1657.jpg

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u18/ninjakel77/pups/DSCF1660.jpg

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u18/ninjakel77/pups/DSCF1163.jpg


and here is Tater

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http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u18/ninjakel77/pups/DSCF0377.jpg

[AquaPython]

holy shit, kaneman!


JIM CRAMER IS YOUR FATHER!!!!!
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[Kaneman]

Hahaha. I hate u mikey!
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[njchopper87]

Beautiful dogs. The cart concept is bad ass. The larger dog's strength and stamina has always amazed me. My dad calls my dog a horse sometimes, and when I see what power he has I can't help but wonder myself if he's wearing a costume.

Here's a couple pics of the beast. He's not as energetic as he used to be, but he has his moments.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa87/njchopper87/life/DSCF1380.jpg

The other dog is my grandparent's. I forget what breed she is, but it's fun seeing a big dog like my lab with a small dog like her. Don't under estimate his height, when they're standing on top of each other you can see how much taller he really is.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa87/njchopper87/life/DSCF1383.jpg

[Ninjakel]

I LOVE Labs. Up until recently, I've always had labs and APBT's, now I have APBT's and Boxers.

beautiful yellow lab

[marko138]

Beautiful dogs. The cart concept is bad ass. The larger dog's strength and stamina has always amazed me. My dad calls my dog a horse sometimes, and when I see what power he has I can't help but wonder myself if he's wearing a costume.

Here's a couple pics of the beast. He's not as energetic as he used to be, but he has his moments.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa87/njchopper87/life/DSCF1380.jpg

The other dog is my grandparent's. I forget what breed she is, but it's fun seeing a big dog like my lab with a small dog like her. Don't under estimate his height, when they're standing on top of each other you can see how much taller he really is.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa87/njchopper87/life/DSCF1383.jpg
Good looking dog. I've got a yellow lab/Golden retriever mix.

http://photos-g.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v2114/153/87/1301028935/n1301028935_30264742_9596.jpg

[Apoc]

Nice dogs.

Kaneman, if you want to see the most impressive feat of stamina in dogs that you'll ever see, look up the Iditarod Dog Sled Race...

[Kaneman]

Hey Apoc, I didn't know you had made it over here too.

Yea, I'm familiar with the major dog sled races. There was an article in MSNBC a couple months ago about those dogs and how their bodies process nutrients and use energy so much more efficiently than any human. On top of that the article claimed that the sled dog breeds were twice as efficient as most normal domesticated dogs.

Kind of like a dogs sense of smell is so much stronger than ours, but a Bloodhound's is so much stronger than a Boxers's.

Good stuff.
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[buzzcutt2]

Guess I'll post up mine...

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c347/buzzcutt2/DukeDaisy/3f408d12.jpg

[Kaneman]

Here's the article I referred to. A lil more scientific explanation on the extreme end of dog athleticism.

Why sled dogs are super dogs
Study: Athleticism of Alaskan huskies is superior to most other mammals
Discovery Channel
updated 12:27 p.m. CT, Thurs., Sept. 25, 2008

Alaskan huskies that participate in the grueling Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race must run 1,100 miles while enduring heavy blizzards, temperatures as low as -40 degrees Fahrenheit and winds up to 60 miles per hour, all of which earn the hearty canines status as the world's premier ultra-endurance animal athletes.

How do they do it? New research suggests the canines are superior to most other mammals, including humans, in at least three key areas: They are unusually adept at adapting to exercise, they have superior aerobic capacity and are unusually efficient in using food as fuel.

Michael Davis, a professor at Oklahoma State University's Center for Veterinary Health Sciences, and his team have been studying Iditarod-racing dogs for 10 years.

He added that as the program developed, thanks to the support of mushers, he and his colleagues started studying dogs in other races and even began to conduct simulated races that could employ more scientific controls, such as monitoring the dog's heart and lung function.

"Overall, in the past 10 years, we've probably studied well over 5,000 dogs in various studies," he said.

Davis and his team noted that Iditarod dogs, which compete each March by running from Anchorage to Nome, do not usually suffer the adverse effects that are more common in other athletes. These include immune suppression, fatigue, muscle damage and stomach ulcers.

Husky vs. human
Probing deeper into the dog's physiology, they made three other determinations, which will be outlined in a presentation at this week's American Physiological Society conference in South Carolina.

First, they found that the dogs rapidly adapt to sustained, strenuous exercise. Four days into the Iditarod, the dogs' biochemical profile returns to where it was before the race began, as though nothing had happened. Elite human athletes, in contrast, show signs of fatigue after continuous exercise and require recovery time.

Second, Iditarod dogs possess an enormous aerobic capacity, which refers to the ratio of volume of oxygen to body weight per minute. A fully conditioned sled dog's aerobic capacity is twice that of an untrained sled dog.

Finally, each approximately 55-pound sled dog can burn up to 12,000 kilocalories per day, which is the equivalent of 24 McDonald's Big Macs. A human would have to consume and efficiently process the equivalent of 72 Big Macs to fuel a day's Iditarod run.

Davis believes the dogs possess very thin cell membranes within their muscle fibers that enable the canines to absorb nutrients from the bloodstream while exercising.

"The muscle has two choices for the source of energy ? use what is abundant in the bloodstream, or use what is stored in muscles," he explained. "The latter is limited, and the more the muscle taps into those limited stores, the faster it fatigues."

He suspects sled dogs can consume a commercially-produced racing diet, supplemented with everything from salmon to congealed lard balls, and quickly convert it to usable energy.

Yet another animal could be nipping at the canines' top status, however, as man's most attentive follower.

In a separate study, Clive Wynne, an associate professor of psychology at the University of Florida, and his colleagues compared the performance of wolves against stray domestic dogs, to see which would be better at following human signals in a "watch and point to a can" test.

The wolves won.

"When it comes to watching humans, anything dogs can do, wolves can do just as well," Wynne concluded, adding that, "arguably, the wolves are better."

With their wild ways, wolves aren't exactly lining up for the Iditarod, though, which requires training runs that began this month.
? 2009 Discovery Channel

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26889282/
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[marko138]

Interesting article.

[jtemple]

Here are mine...

Puppies:

Female Black/Chocolate Lab Mix - Dakota:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_QWsg00m5hZg/SLDWs3rcqeI/AAAAAAAAA4Y/P2GZSanO3ws/s800/dakota1.jpg

Male Yellow Lab Mix (German Shepard mix I think) - Scooby:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_QWsg00m5hZg/SLDWtW6ukyI/AAAAAAAAA4o/hu5-4480hME/s800/scooby_2mos3.jpg

Now:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_QWsg00m5hZg/SLDWuUIOvzI/AAAAAAAAA4w/6rPH5XQmpMQ/s800/P6050561.JPG

They're about 5-6 years old now.

We picked up Dakota free from a farmer who had an accidental working dog/family dog pregnancy. Her mother was a working black lab that herded cattle. Her father was the family pet, a chocolate lab.

Scooby was an animal shelter rescue. The shelter picked up his stray mother, who was a pregnant yellow lab. Their best guess was that the father was a German Shepard.

They have both been through extensive obedience classes. Dakota is one class away from being a registered therapy dog. They are both very well behaved.

[Ninjakel]

That was enlightening. Looks like the only way to get good dog food is to spend a fortune on the internet. Even the stuff the vets stock is crap according to that site.


You can find good quality food at Petco, petsmart, feed stores, etc.

science diet is horrible.

alot of people feed raw food, including Leon's mom, to their weimeraner.
Huge differences.

I feed our dogs natures balance and blue buffalo venison.

[Ninjakel]

and make sure you get a food grinder. If your dogs aren't used to chewing bone in raw, they will choke.

I swear, Leon's mom''s weimeraner is more active, shiny coat, slimmed down, and his poop is cut in half.

I want to switch soon.

[shmike]

and make sure you get a food grinder. If your dogs aren't used to chewing bone in raw, they will choke.

I swear, Leon's mom''s weimeraner is more active, shiny coat, slimmed down, and his poop is cut in half.

I want to switch soon.

Dogs are designed to handle the bones in raw foods.

It is only once cooked that the bones should be a danger.

Both my sister's dog and my parent's dog are on a raw food diet. They swear by it and I've never seen dogs so excited at meal time.

[Rider]

You can find good quality food at Petco, petsmart, feed stores, etc.

science diet is horrible.

alot of people feed raw food, including Leon's mom, to their weimeraner.
Huge differences.

I feed our dogs natures balance and blue buffalo venison.

My boxer gets Blue Buffalo large breed puppy food.

[Ninjakel]

make sure you add the vitamins and veggies to their food.

[azoomm]

How big is your dog? What about other big dogs in the 90lb range? How much do they usually eat? He gets 4 cups of dry, half a can of wet food and some missing link everyday.

It's all relative, I guess. :)

Sadie's diet was just altered - she's a purebred black lab. 12 years old, and needs to lose some weight - so we have her on a managed diet with her vet. She's 68lbs, has at least 5 to lose. I'd post pictures, but she's afraid of cameras :lol: Chicken Dog...

I heart dogs.

[Kaneman]

This is very interesting, I'm looking into the raw foods now and think I'm going to try it....Jethro works hard and deserves good food.

Any idea what I'd be looking at monthly for a 90lb male?
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[rogue]

Shame on you Kane! You should remember Sadie! :tt:

That's the same doggie Moira had when we hung out in Austin. :lol:

[Kaneman]

And what makes you think I've forgoten Zoomie's dogger?
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[rogue]

And what makes you think I've forgoten Zoomie's dogger?

*ahem*


Josh - what an AWESOME dog!! He's cool :dthumb:

Question, what do you mean not a lot of food? 5-6 CUPS of food a day is at least three times what my dog eats...
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How big is your dog? What about other big dogs in the 90lb range? How much do they usually eat? He gets 4 cups of dry, half a can of wet food and some missing link everyday.



:D :D :D

[Kaneman]

Oh so you remember how much Moira's dog weighed from our trip there waaaaaay back in 2007?
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[rogue]

Oh so you remember how much Moira's dog weighed from our trip there waaaaaay back in 2007?

Pffft...it was only 2 years ago. I remember the trip well. :whistle:


I remember what size Sadie is....but I couldn't now...nor then tell you her weight.

[azoomm]

And what makes you think I've forgoten Zoomie's dogger?

Found some pictures...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/NEW053.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/NEW056.jpg

And, my favorite - as she is in her favorite place... under the bed. :lol:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/001015.jpg

[Kaneman]

That's cool Triple! I went shopping last night just at two local grocery stores and got 15lbs of meat for $12.00. That was without going to a market and getting scraps so this is actually very affordable. I fed them chicken leg quarters last night, sectioned into 4 or 5 pieces. My lab ate it down no problem, my Boxer looked at me like "WTF man?" He mostly licked it and the eventually left it. He also doesn't chew bones, or hasn't in the past.

Tried again this morning and he finally ate it all after chewing it really really good. I'm encouraged so far and plan to incorporate the veggies and other foods required by Monday.
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[Racerboy]

Here is Cindy as a 1 year old....

[Ninjakel]

Cindy!!!!!!!!

[Apoc]

Dogs enjoyed their first full meal of raw chicken meat, skin, and bones last night. It was strange actually handing them bone scraps (as opposed to them pulling it out of the garbage), but it was all crunched down no problem.



Chicken bones splinter and get caught in dogs throat. You should not feed them to dogs..

[shmike]

Chicken bones splinter and get caught in dogs throat. You should not feed them to dogs..

Did you read any of the posts above? :welcome:

[Kaneman]

Chicken bones splinter and get caught in dogs throat. You should not feed them to dogs..

I thought the same thing until yesterday.
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[Racerboy]

And we cannot forget Marley......The Deals Gap Traveling Pug
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/racerboy221/4e6dd121.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/racerboy221/IMG_0789.jpg

[cbrchick]

My cousin tried the raw dog food thing for a while when her older mix wasn't doing so well health wise. Kelsey, has since passed... :( And my cousin has her other younger Huskey mix on Origin.

One thing with the raw food diet is making sure your animal is getting enough other essential vitamins and protein that is appropriate for their age. Too much could be bad for their kidneys.

There's actually a family owned biz here, about an hour away, that produces, freezes and delivers raw dog food. They have a menu and everything. Trip, you seem to like business adventures, could be something you might want to look into when you get some info and experience behind you. :) This is a Canadian local site.

http://www.totallyrawdogfood.com/Ordering.aspx


I'd post a picture of my creature, I just haven't figured out how to do it yet.

Kirsty

[cbrchick]

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Let's see if this works.

[cbrchick]

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, last one... for a bit.

My Husband and our SPCA mix, Harris the dog. 106 lbs of big black doggy.

[Ninjakel]

And we cannot forget Marley......The Deals Gap Traveling Pug
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/racerboy221/4e6dd121.jpg
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That little brat!!!! we drove home with him.....him snorting all the way :lol:

He was adorable!

[Kaneman]

Mine have been getting leg quarters as well. Its not as easy to measure the food obviously with raw as it is with kibble, but I'm just going to keep a close eye on them and adjust volume as needed.

My Boxer is still getting the hang of it, he's a finicky eater. Last night I fed him by hand and he ate it all, this morning he ate on his own. They're now on their 5th raw meal and they're not showing any signs of "detox" or any other discomfort.

My lab has shown a huge change at feeding time. Ever since we got her half a year ago she has acted like we were forcing her to eat. But now when I get the raw out she gets very excited about it.

My largest concerns so far are them putting raw on the kitchen floor while they're chewing and me having to mop after mealtime, and them licking my son after eating while they may have bacteria on their mouths.

At any rate, I priced so-called good dry foods with proper content and I just can't afford to feed my dogs that stuff. Hopefully the raw works out because it is turning out to be a very affordable option.
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[Ninjakel]

Mine have been getting leg quarters as well. Its not as easy to measure the food obviously with raw as it is with kibble, but I'm just going to keep a close eye on them and adjust volume as needed.

My Boxer is still getting the hang of it, he's a finicky eater. Last night I fed him by hand and he ate it all, this morning he ate on his own. They're now on their 5th raw meal and they're not showing any signs of "detox" or any other discomfort.

My lab has shown a huge change at feeding time. Ever since we got her half a year ago she has acted like we were forcing her to eat. But now when I get the raw out she gets very excited about it.

My largest concerns so far are them putting raw on the kitchen floor while they're chewing and me having to mop after mealtime, and them licking my son after eating while they may have bacteria on their mouths.

At any rate, I priced so-called good dry foods with proper content and I just can't afford to feed my dogs that stuff. Hopefully the raw works out because it is turning out to be a very affordable option.



Son??????? did I miss a memo??

[Kaneman]

haha, you gotta keep up Kel! My wife has a son so he's technically my step-son. His name is Michael and he's the boy in the cart in the first post. He's like a lil Cesar Millan...very good with the dogs in a natural way.
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[Ninjakel]

sorry. I am half blonde now, so it takes me a bit to filter information :lol:

[the chi]

They also have the ability to eat things that have been dead for days...as well as other nasty bacteria and germ infested things...with no visible effects but feed them some people food and they die or become very ill.

I would bet, back in the day before man became so "civilized" we were able to eat and drink all kinds of stuff that we cant today, simply because our systems can longer accept it, and people were hella healthier back then too....

[the chi]

Depends on how you define "healthy." I'd argue that we were hardier back then, but we also didn't live nearly as long as we do now. We may have been better at fending off initial infection, but we had no way of effectively dealing with infection once we had it.

Better way to put it thanks. We didnt live longer, true, but life was also much harder on the body. Altho now, while we dont have to work as hard, we destroy ourselves versus letting nature do it for us. I always wonder about allergies and stuff. Did our ancestors suffer like people today do? Or were they immune because so much more of their foodstuff was from the land around them versus freezer packaged/bought, etc...

[Adeptus_Minor]

Better way to put it thanks. We didnt live longer, true, but life was also much harder on the body. Altho now, while we dont have to work as hard, we destroy ourselves versus letting nature do it for us. I always wonder about allergies and stuff. Did our ancestors suffer like people today do? Or were they immune because so much more of their foodstuff was from the land around them versus freezer packaged/bought, etc...

It can be argued (and has been) that we (humans) likely exhibited a lot fewer of the mental and physical infirmities that afflict modern civilization when we existed in more of a daily survival context.
Who has time to be 'depressed' when any second a cave bear could come in to collect your rent?

[Particle Man]

Josh, once you've earned a dog's trust, they'll be loyal to the end... if that means tearing their own guts out by running balls out until they drop, they'll do it.

[Frostz28]

Hey Kaneman, we should get our dogs together and start a sled dog team. I got two siberian huskies, you wanna talk about running for a long time and pulling hard! JESUS Indy the younger of the two pulls like a mack truck and she'll run for HOURS if I let her. Your dog could probably pull more though looks like a beast!!! that raw diet you're putting him on will only help! he'll be bigger stronger, faster and have more stamina than ever!

[Kaneman]

That's awesome Frost! What do your dogs pull? Do you guys do the rollerblading thing too? After witnessing how much a Boxer can pull I can only imagine what a dog who's bred for it could do in urban conditions!

What about your Huskies, what do you have them eating?
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[Frostz28]

That's awesome Frost! What do your dogs pull? Do you guys do the rollerblading thing too? After witnessing how much a Boxer can pull I can only imagine what a dog who's bred for it could do in urban conditions!

What about your Huskies, what do you have them eating?

well they pretty much pull what ever I tie them to! LOL including my cousins dog house which she pulled across their back yard. I do the rollerblading thing in the summer. In the winter we have done the skijoring, (thats like cross country skiing with a dog tied to your waist) I also used to have a small sled similar to a dog sled only with wheels instead of skiis. And for intertainment I have an old tire that indy sometimes goes and stands by until I tie her to it and she drags it all over the yard.

as far as what I feed them. they eat all kinds of meat, mostly chicken but i give them all diffrent kinds, pork, beef, lamb what ever. Eggs, with the shell and all. Ill give them pretty much everything that would be in a normal humans diet only less veggies and grains. From what I understand at least the Huskie breed doesn't digest grains well and they have limited food value to them. Oh and I limit the dairy to hardly anything as dogs are lactose intolerant. They can handle some but not to much, lactose reduced milk doesn't seem to bother them. I also only feed them once a day, since huskies are naturally designed to survive in very harsh climates on very little food its easy for them to overeat if its just there for them all the time. Don't get me wrong i DO NOT starve or deprive my dogs in anyway. I just don't let them overeat.

[Kaneman]

That's badass dude, maybe instead of a chariot I could go with more of a sled design that would allow me to push from the back as well. The wheels are churing...

Post up some pics!
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[Gas Man]

That's not a purebred Boxer. He is a mix of something like a mastiff or other big dog.

I agree

How big is your dog? What about other big dogs in the 90lb range? How much do they usually eat? He gets 4 cups of dry, half a can of wet food and some missing link everyday.



A lot of dog people go back on forth on Jethro. Some swear he's a definitely pure bred and that he just has prominent Mastiff genes, others think he's mixed. My guess is that he's a Boxer/Italian Mastiff mix.

I highly doubt he's mixed with a Cane Corso being they are more rare. I was going to say with his black face maybe a bull mastiff.

And Jethro is a amazing looking dog as well!!

My boxer gets Blue Buffalo large breed puppy food.

Mine too. Great stuff. Just sucks that Brinks is puttin down 10+ cups a day right now!!

[Kaneman]

10+ cups a day?!? DAYUM!!

Hey Triple, here's another site about the CONS of feeding RMB's, whatdya think?

http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/bones.html
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[Gas Man]

Yeah he's been steady at 8 cups for a long time... but recently its up over 10 cups... I say over cause he always finishes the 10 cups... may have to start giving him more.

[rogue]

I'm dog-sitting tonight one of the bestest dogs I've ever had the pleasure of having contact with. He's a great dog....very well mannered, well behaved....a big baby though. :lol:

This is Sin.

[Gas Man]

Looks like a lab pit mix

[rogue]

I'm not sure exactly what mix he is. He looks more like a pit (the pic doesn't do him justice). He's one of the sweetest & most well behaved dogs I've ever been around. He's not very active but he's old too. Somewhere around 10-12 years old, IIRC. Every once in a while I'll keep an eye on him during the day for my housemates. This is the first time he'll be with me overnight. I'm just glad he's well housebroken and won't chew up my shit. :lol:

Now to go find the Padawan's cat and put him in a safer place than where's he's hiding. I need to move his poop pan and food bowl to my son's room and put him in there. :lol:

[Smittie61984]

I took my dog to a 5k race today. It was a breeze to him, especially with it pouring down rain. I'm dying and when I got done running he was whimpering and looking like "This can't be over yet".

[Lamnidae]

Okay time for Ambly to chip in.


Great call earlier on Science Diet. It's bullshit crap food. If you can afford to feed your dog science diet, you can afford so much better foods.


We're personally feeding ours Chicken Soup for the Dog Lovers Soul Large Breed (had them on Large Breed Puppy before).

Good food, they process it well. It's fair on price for your more premium dog food brands, I pay $38/35lb bag at the feed store.


I serve about twenty cups per day combined (1 German Shep, 2 Labs) and they do very well.


I'll have to upload some more pics of my kids sooner or later... Y'all mgiht get them this week.


Anyways, what vitamin suppliment are y'all recommending for the dogs?



Any word on Dinovite?

[Kaneman]

One of the dogs threw up last night...these are the bones I pulled out:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/PsychoMedic/DSCF6679.jpg

They were very energetic today and very strong at the park with the cart and so forth...still, the bones make me wonder if the RMB is as healthy as they say. What do you think?
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[OneSickPsycho]

Josh - what an AWESOME dog!! He's cool :dthumb:

Question, what do you mean not a lot of food? 5-6 CUPS of food a day is at least three times what my dog eats...

Taco's doing about 6-7 cups of food... growing boy! Still see ribs a bit, which is the boxer norm...