Will Kawi ever make a new 750?

[Homeslice]

Now that 600's are becoming less street-friendly, why not bring out a 750? I can guarantee it would pull good sales.................They proved that with the 636. Hell, it would probably outsell the 10R :idk:

[Dave]

thats the problem though, the litre bike is the flagship model for all of the big four. you cant have a smaller bike kick its ass. not even a little bit. the cayman is the same way. porsche will never put a full power engine in one cause its a fundamentally better platform than the deathtrap 911 and would smoke the piss out of it. look at how little suzuki has upgraded their 750, we had an agrument about it in abother thread. not me anf you but some other dude. drunken ramblings ftw

[zed]

I've been waiting for Suzuki to drop theirs. don't count on Kawasaki coming out with another one.

but, they are starting to call a 600 a starter bike (Yamaha 09 FZ600R). so maybe I'll be wrong.

[Dave]

I've been waiting for Suzuki to drop theirs. don't count on Kawasaki coming out with another one.

but, they are starting to call a 600 a starter bike (Yamaha 09 FZ600R). so maybe I'll be wrong.

huge diff between the tuning on an fz and an r1. same with the 599 hornets and 600 rrs. just sayin

[zed]

huge diff between the tuning on an fz and an r1. same with the 599 hornets and 600 rrs. just sayin

it's not the old FZ though. look one up.

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/assets/content/images/600/09MS_FZ6R_yel_S2_075ca5e7.jpg

[JoJoYZF]

it's not the old FZ though. look one up.

My first bike was/still is a yzf600r which is what the fz600r or whatever its called is replacing and its honestly not bad for a beginner whose not stupid. Not crazy fast, comfortable and very forgiving to rookie mistakes.

[Corey]

I think they'd sell like shit, just like in their waning years. Why buy a 750 when for about a grand more you can have the full on liter bike? There's not a large enough price gap between the 600's and 1000's where you could justify slotting in a 750 without cannibalizing some of the bread and butter 600 sales and losing sales to the liters. There wouldn't be enough sales to justify ongoing development.

[Dave]

plus for some unimaginable reason suzy's 750s outweigh some liters. whats the point then?

[zed]

plus for some unimaginable reason suzy's 750s outweigh some liters. whats the point then?

handling?

[Dave]

if it weighs more the handling is gonna suffer, yes?

[Porkchop]

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/assets/content/images/600/09MS_FZ6R_yel_S2_075ca5e7.jpg

If only it didnt look like a suzuki on the nose.... :panic: I'd still rather get the FZ6.

I still like the YZF's tho Jojo. They are comfortable as hell.

I think they'd sell like shit, just like in their waning years. Why buy a 750 when for about a grand more you can have the full on liter bike? There's not a large enough price gap between the 600's and 1000's where you could justify slotting in a 750 without cannibalizing some of the bread and butter 600 sales and losing sales to the liters. There wouldn't be enough sales to justify ongoing development.

I agree.... It's either you are using a 600 to its potential or are experienced enough for a litre banger or not. IMO, get rid of the 750 and design a competing 250 like bike. It'd most likely sell better. All manufacturers should have a small capacity bike. I just dont get why all the manu's arent catching on to the Ninja 250 success.

[zed]

if it weighs more the handling is gonna suffer, yes?

there are a lot of amateur racers like the 750.

Suzuki's are excellent handling bikes. they are easy to ride.

[zed]

If only it didnt look like a suzuki on the nose.... :panic:

same thing I said when I uncrated the first one

[Porkchop]

same thing I said when I uncrated the first one

Uncrated? You work at a dealer? Nice!

I really would want to this summer if the economy was a bit better.

[zed]

Uncrated? You work at a dealer? Nice!

I really would want to this summer if the economy was a bit better.

I was working at a dealership. got canned because I didn't watch what I said when I told them I wasn't going to room with the one guy I didn't like in the shop on road trip.

[tallywacker]

I doubt it. I bet the sportbike sales take a big hit this year and there may be companies getting rid of certain models not planning for more.

[Dave]

I doubt it. I bet the sportbike sales take a big hit this year and there may be companies getting rid of certain models not planning for more.

cheap 09 zedex for me? say it isint so :lmao:

[Porkchop]

Hey Tally..... how'd you like that game tonight? :rockwoot:

[Homeslice]

Liter bikes have more reciprocating mass, which works against you when the revs are high. Also, not everyone wants liter-bike insurance.

[Rider]

plus for some unimaginable reason suzy's 750s outweigh some liters. whats the point then?

The GSXR 750 only weighs 5lbs more than the 600 and considerably less than the 100. Not sure where you get your info from but it's wrong. The weight of my 750 as spec'd by Suzuki was 359 dry. I challenge you to find a liter bike with that low of a dry weight.

Kawi used to sell a 750 but they were no where near competitive with the GSXR's. I love the 750 power plant and if any of the manufacturers came out with a 800cc GP replica, I'd drool all over one. For me I don't need a liter bike. I rode a new GSXR1000 and it wasn't for me. The 750 has enough low end grunt and mid range to keep me happy. I dont need to go 180+mph. The 600's on the other hand don't have enough low end torque for how I like to ride. Now the new ZX-6R is supposed to have increased low end torque so that may solve my problem with that.

My logic was this, sure the 750 was $1000 more than a 600 but to get that extra 30hp I would have had to spend well over a grand to get that kind of extra power and the 750 is pretty damn close in weight to the 600, so it's just like buying a 600 with a factory engine upgrade. Sure I could have spent an additional $1000 to jump up the the liter bike but like mentioned above, they're not my style of bike. I'd be happy if all the manufacturers started producing 750s again, especially Yamaha, but I doubt it will ever happen.

[marko138]

I'll always have a place in my heart for the 3/4 liter GSXR.

[smileyman]

Suzuki have kept the 750 in the lineup cause it is still cost efficient to produce. Used to they based the 600cc GSXR on the 750, sharing design and production budget. Now they base the 750 on the 600 but still have the same chassis and ancillary parts (wheels, bodywork, brakes, controls, frames).

The GSXR 750 also has a cult following in Europe where they sell strong. Personally I loved the ZX7 and the GSXR750. Even had a crush on the YZF750, although I never felt the R7.

My ZX6/636 has great torque and with my slightly larger rear sprocket feels very 750 ish. I just don't have to worry about flipping it over like I would a liter bike...

[Dave]

:lmao: you arent gonna get very far riding your bike dry. Maybe if you find a really steep hill :lol: i posted umbers and links the last time the issue of 750 weights came up but my bike is lighter wet, maybe the k5 too cant remember. And the rsv4 is lighter than me :lol:

[Rider]

:lmao: you arent gonna get very far riding your bike dry. Maybe if you find a really steep hill :lol: i posted umbers and links the last time the issue of 750 weights came up but my bike is lighter wet, maybe the k5 too cant remember. And the rsv4 is lighter than me :lol:

My point was is that the GSXR750 is the same weight as a 600. You're going to tell me your 954 is lighter than a 600?

[z06boy]

I like the 750 and would have bought one IF they were offered by the big 4. I thought about the GSXR 750 and I do like it but didn't want to buy one since it was the ONLY one offered.

There are things I love about my wife's R6 and things I love about my R1 and imho the 750 would be the best of both worlds.

[Dave]

My point was is that the GSXR750 is the same weight as a 600. You're going to tell me your 954 is lighter than a 600?

according to sport rider (i think) i have the link on my lappy at home, i can repost it for you when im not mobile

[smileyman]

I say buck the trends and get a Triumph 675...Steve McQueen would. In deep dark green

[Rider]

I say buck the trends and get a Triumph 675...Steve McQueen would. In deep dark green

Nice rides but I'd have to go with the all black.

http://www.triumph.co.uk/images/Daytona675_SE_features_main_1_2008.jpg

[Homeslice]

I say buck the trends and get a Triumph 675...Steve McQueen would. In deep dark green

I would, if it was more comfortable. I'm sorry but that bike is a rack compared to the Zuks.

[Homeslice]

The 600's on the other hand don't have enough low end torque for how I like to ride. Now the new ZX-6R is supposed to have increased low end torque so that may solve my problem with that.
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I really doubt it.

Another problem with 600's is that the rpm's are higher on the freeway, which gets old over long distances.

750 is the best of both worlds, they are better commuters than 600's, and better handlers than most 1000's.

[Rider]

I really doubt it.

Another problem with 600's is that the rpm's are higher on the freeway, which gets old over long distances.

750 is the best of both worlds, they are better commuters than 600's, better handlers than most 1000's

Agreed that's why I chose the 750 for my last bike.

[p00kienrayray]

I can see suzuki doing away with the 750 eventually. the only reason why it survived to this day is because the gsxr 750 is widely popular. but it seems that 750cc is starting to be an oddball size. like stated earlier the liters are flagships, but the 600's are making their marks as middleweights and starter bikes.

[Dave]

zuks:

http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_weights_measurements/index8.html

hondas:

http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_weights_measurements/index8.html

by year its not quite what i was saying but damn is it close. early millenium appears to be the low point for bike weight

[Cutty72]

02 954 = 04 GSXR750 wet weight according to that chart :idk:

Bikes are getting heavier as they have made them as light as they can without sacrificing strength and affordablity, and are having to put on more wieght with all the emissions shit.

[p00kienrayray]

Bikes are getting heavier as they have made them as light as they can without sacrificing strength and affordablity, and are having to put on more wieght with all the emissions shit.

yea, the gsxr 1000 went from single to dual exhausts because of emissions.

[Homeslice]

I still say a new ZX-7R would own. That bike had a different look all its own, low and mean. Styling is important to most people, especially since a 750 is more likely to be purchased by a street rider rather than a track rider. If Kawi came out with a new 7R with killer looks, not all insect-like like the rest of their bikes, it could easily de-throne the Gixxer.

[Fleck750]

I still say a new ZX-7R would own. That bike had a different look all its own, low and mean. Styling is important to most people, especially since a 750 is more likely to be purchased by a street rider rather than a track rider. If Kawi came out with a new 7R with killer looks, not all insect-like like the rest of their bikes, it could easily de-throne the Gixxer.


Your blood runs green, doesn't it? :)

[101lifts2]

I still say a new ZX-7R would own. That bike had a different look all its own, low and mean. Styling is important to most people, especially since a 750 is more likely to be purchased by a street rider rather than a track rider. If Kawi came out with a new 7R with killer looks, not all insect-like like the rest of their bikes, it could easily de-throne the Gixxer.

Kawi has gone the way of harder ergos every since the intro. of the 636.

If you want a good ergo bike, get a 600rr in 2007 or higher. I keep dragging my toe in the canyons, but that is nothing some rearsets couldn't fix. The bike can be ridden all day w/o hurting anything. Its comfy.

But yes to your suggestion. If Kawi could make a new 7r that was light and had an ultra short stroke (torque), I'd buy one. The Gixxer 750s are still too high end RPM bikes IMO. The difference between the 750 and 600 isn't all that great. Its something the 675 and 848 has over the 600...torque.

Along the same lines...Kawi isn't going to come out with a 750 unless AMA starts to allow it to race.

[Dave]

Kawi has gone the way of harder ergos every since the intro. of the 636.

If you want a good ergo bike, get a 600rr in 2007 or higher. I keep dragging my toe in the canyons, but that is nothing some rearsets couldn't fix. The bike can be ridden all day w/o hurting anything. Its comfy.

But yes to your suggestion. If Kawi could make a new 7r that was light and had an ultra short stroke (torque), I'd buy one. The Gixxer 750s are still too high end RPM bikes IMO. The difference between the 750 and 600 isn't all that great. Its something the 675 and 848 has over the 600...torque.

Along the same lines...Kawi isn't going to come out with a 750 unless AMA starts to allow it to race.

i think you mean longer stroke there

[ceo012384]

You guys are forgetting that online internet forums often gather a larger percentage of intelligent riders; this is not indicative of the percentage of intelligent riders in the overall riding community.

We here on forums are into bikes, some of us do track days and race, most of us are into riding hard but also safely and geared up.

When the new ninja 250's come out we all are interested... the average rider, not so much. They all want gixxer 1000's.

The market for a 750 just isn't that large, in reality. The gixxer 750 is a sick bike though.

The other thing to note is bike width... the gixxer 1000 is a lot wider when you sit on it than the 750... felt like a tank when i sat on one. Even if the weights were the exact same, I would buy the 750 just for the shape.

[deals gap dragon slayer]

IN my day I've had a total of four of Kawi's older 750... a 92 ZX-7RR, a 94, a 98 and a 99 ZX-7R.....
they were great bikes... But by comparison they became outdated... the 600 class was dropping weight like mad.. and Suziki did a redesign on the middle weight gsxr in the late 90's, the kawi never got the upgrade. the last year they made it was in '03 but it was littlerally an IDENTICAL bike to the '96 model. Heavy, carbureted rather than FI... they dropped it because of sales.. but the sales slipped because they failed to upgrade it to match the performance of the Suzuki.

There have been rumors floating around for a few years now that they were planning to re-enter the middleweight class with a ZX8R, but they're just that... rumors...

[Homeslice]

I could easily see some BS laws coming out against liter bikes. So a ZX-8R could score some pretty good sales. Insurance would be lower too.

Stretch it out a little bit, make the bars low and far away like the original, make it look like the 10R from the side but give it its own upper fairing and no stupid turn-signal stalks.....Done.

[101lifts2]

i think you mean longer stroke there

Yeah ur right. Longer stroke means more torque.

[101lifts2]

You guys are forgetting that online internet forums often gather a larger percentage of intelligent riders; this is not indicative of the percentage of intelligent riders in the overall riding community.

We here on forums are into bikes, some of us do track days and race, most of us are into riding hard but also safely and geared up.

When the new ninja 250's come out we all are interested... the average rider, not so much. They all want gixxer 1000's.

The market for a 750 just isn't that large, in reality. The gixxer 750 is a sick bike though.

The other thing to note is bike width... the gixxer 1000 is a lot wider when you sit on it than the 750... felt like a tank when i sat on one. Even if the weights were the exact same, I would buy the 750 just for the shape.

Well...since that black stunter dude (can't remember his name) is touting a 636, all the stunters went out and bought one. Gixxer 750s are big squid bikes...don't fool urself.

[Rider]

Well...since that black stunter dude (can't remember his name) is touting a 636, all the stunters went out and bought one. Gixxer 750s are big squid bikes...don't fool urself.

No more than any other bike. There are far less 750 on the road than 600's and I saw a lot more percentage of douchebags riding 600's than 750's. Around here anyway, most of the 750 riders are older more seasoned riders. The squids will usually pass the 750 and go straight to the liter bikes.

[Cutty72]

Well...since that black stunter dude (can't remember his name) is touting a 636, all the stunters went out and bought one. Gixxer 750s are big squid bikes...don't fool urself.

Jason Britton is on a ZX6R, NOT the 636. He just switched last year.