09 CBR600RR w/ABS

[Rider]

Anyone have any personal experience with the ABS on these bikes? Before my wreck I kind of laughed at the idea of ABS on a motorcycle but now I truly believe that if I had them on the gixxer, I'd still be riding her today.

Just curious how the ABS feels and are they just as good as the normal breaks under normal braking conditions. I don't really like the 600's but the ABS appeals to me and I would own one well before I'd ever own an I-4 liter bike.

I know the VFR-800 has ABS but that bike is a fucking tank. :panic:

[Trip]

I remember when the SV got them, seems they love them. I haven't talked with anyone that has an 09 CBARRR yet though.

[PhiSig1071]

It's funny you ask that because I just got to ride the CBR with ABS in the rain on monday. A buddy of mine works at a shop that was doing a big tent sale and I helped them set-up (got paid to ride bikes to the sale all day thursday/friday) and break-down (ride them back on monday). It was raining monday and I got to ride the CBR ABS in the rain (along with about 25 other bikes, including a VTX1800 and a B-king!).

My take? The bike felt exactly like the regular CBR while riding, you couldn't really notice the extra 20 some odd lbs that she was carrying. Under braking I could NOT make the tires lock, and trust me, I tired. I was going about 35mph in a exit lane for a parking lot and literally slammed the rear brake and all that happened was the bike slowed down very rapidly. I did hard braking from 75mph to a stoplight in the rain and I could feel the very edge where the tires *should* start sliding, added a little extra brake pressure, and the bike just kept right on slowing down like somebody tied it to a tree. I was damned impressed.

I swear I could feel the ABS kick in, but not in a really noticable or obtrusive way. No change in pressure on the lever and absolutely no surging feeling that is common to ABS systems, but I swear I could feel it. Maybe it was because I had a good idea of where the tire should start to slide and it didn't, and I thought that was what I felt, so it could have been all in my head.

Overall? Very impressed, if you want ABS on a supersport then that bike is the way to go. Bazzaz makes an FI set-up for the bike that includes traction control, get that and a slipper and you'll never lose traction again! (But what's the fun in that?! :lol:)

[marko138]

Sounds impressive.

[JoJoYZF]

Sport rider just did a test on the cbr abs and seem to have liked it. Its in this months issue, which also has the crossplane crankshaft 09 r1 tested in it. Good issue so far.

[Mr Lefty]

It's funny you ask that because I just got to ride the CBR with ABS in the rain on monday. A buddy of mine works at a shop that was doing a big tent sale and I helped them set-up (got paid to ride bikes to the sale all day thursday/friday) and break-down (ride them back on monday). It was raining monday and I got to ride the CBR ABS in the rain (along with about 25 other bikes, including a VTX1800 and a B-king!).

My take? The bike felt exactly like the regular CBR while riding, you couldn't really notice the extra 20 some odd lbs that she was carrying. Under braking I could NOT make the tires lock, and trust me, I tired. I was going about 35mph in a exit lane for a parking lot and literally slammed the rear brake and all that happened was the bike slowed down very rapidly. I did hard braking from 75mph to a stoplight in the rain and I could feel the very edge where the tires *should* start sliding, added a little extra brake pressure, and the bike just kept right on slowing down like somebody tied it to a tree. I was damned impressed.

I swear I could feel the ABS kick in, but not in a really noticable or obtrusive way. No change in pressure on the lever and absolutely no surging feeling that is common to ABS systems, but I swear I could feel it. Maybe it was because I had a good idea of where the tire should start to slide and it didn't, and I thought that was what I felt, so it could have been all in my head.

Overall? Very impressed, if you want ABS on a supersport then that bike is the way to go. Bazzaz makes an FI set-up for the bike that includes traction control, get that and a slipper and you'll never lose traction again! (But what's the fun in that?! :lol:)


I read a review a couple months back... they said basicly the same thing as above... the one thing I found interesting is they took the NON ABS version... and had both an experienced rider and a unexperienced rider try to see how fast they could stop on both models...

after 16 trys... the ABS version stopped faster and shorter than any trys of either rider. the first try for both riders had the ABS verison stop 15' shorter!

the last try had the experienced rider stop 1' shorter on the ABS version than the non... and the unexperienced rider stopped 4' shorter.

4' is easily the difference between a wreck and a near miss... but even that was after 15 OTHER trys that were much greater distance...

I really wish I could find where I read that... very good article.

[The Awesome]

I think ABS would be great for most riders. I hope it becomes a widely available option.

[MILK]

Love my ABS!! :rockwoot:

[Homeslice]

Uh, 20 extra pounds? On a 600, that's a difference even a newbie could feel. And how much does it cost, and how reliable are the sensors and control unit before they break down and require hundreds of dollars to replace?

[Switch]

Uh, 20 extra pounds? On a 600, that's a difference even a newbie could feel.

Yeah, even my mom could feel that, and she's never ridden a motorcycle in her life.

You're a moron.

[dReWpY]

there is the kbup we know and love

[Homeslice]

Yeah, even my mom could feel that, and she's never ridden a motorcycle in her life.

You're a moron.

I can easily tell the difference between my bike with a low tank and a full tank, either from a standstill or when moving. Who's the moron now?

Now, assuming the extra weight of this ABS system is located way down low, that's a different story.

But whatever, you guys go ahead and pay xtra for it ----- Just hope it doesn't break post-warranty, like all electronic shit does. Gotta wonder how Honda's electronic steering dampers are holding up post-warranty, lol. What's the cost to replace those?

Most 600 riders leave their bikes at home when it rains anyway, lol.

[rogue]

I can easily tell the difference between my bike with a low tank and a full tank, either from a standstill or when moving. Who's the moron now?

You guys go ahead and pay xtra for it.........Most 600 riders leave their bikes at home when it rains anyway, lol.

But you're an experienced rider, there's a difference. You've also probably done track days, etc as well, where a noob won't have that kind of experience. What bike(s) do you think a noob is going to have experience on to judge a 20lb difference *from the weight of the same or similar bike without ABS* that could very well save his life?

In order to know, they've got to experience it. If they're getting the experience, it doesn't really make then a noob anymore, does it?

Just sayin' :D :D

[Homeslice]

:lol: just feeling feisty today

[rogue]

:lol: just feeling feisty today

You act like you can't brain today because you have a case of the dumb redflip

[DLIT]

They actually had a track day test with the ABS RR. They tried to lock the wheels up. They ran it through water and sand and the ABS worked excellent. There's a video floating around somewhere.

[Dave]

I can easily tell the difference between my bike with a low tank and a full tank, either from a standstill or when moving. Who's the moron now?

Now, assuming the extra weight of this ABS system is located way down low, that's a different story.

But whatever, you guys go ahead and pay xtra for it ----- Just hope it doesn't break post-warranty, like all electronic shit does. Gotta wonder how Honda's electronic steering dampers are holding up post-warranty, lol. What's the cost to replace those?

Most 600 riders leave their bikes at home when it rains anyway, lol.

answer is they dont, they put a different damper on to the tune of around $400+ :lol:

[Mr Lefty]

Uh, 20 extra pounds? On a 600, that's a difference even a newbie could feel. And how much does it cost, and how reliable are the sensors and control unit before they break down and require hundreds of dollars to replace?

really? Phi Sig said he didn't notice... he's not a noob... :idk:

20 lbs all depends on WHERE it is... the reason you notice your tank so much is where the fuel is stored... and you notice the difference because you know how it feels WITH and WITH OUT that weight...

where as on the bike... it's always gonna be there... unless your jumping between an ABS version and a NON ABS version... you'll not notice it.

[Gas Man]

Here's the HD vid that I got with my bagger that I ordered with ABS. Explains it very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VaDHxX3kVM

[pickle.of.doom]

I wonder if it kicks back at you like car abs?

[Amber Lamps]

I wonder if it kicks back at you like car abs?

Well he said there was no "surging" so I guess not...:idk: It sounds like good idea to me and as far as the weight,if I'm not mistaken,the regular bike lost some lbs so maybe it'll even out. As long as it's not "linked" as well. I can't fucking stand linked brakes! I rode my buds CBR1100XX and I gave it back to him after a few miles,it drove me nuts!

[Mr Lefty]

I wonder if it kicks back at you like car abs?
as tigger said below... every review I've read about it says NO SURGING... and it doesn't kick in until the last possible moment... so other than the tire not locking up... it's completely un noticeable... though Phi Sig said he did notice it kick on... but didn't say how... so I don't think it was anything that would bug ya:idk:

Well he said there was no "surging" so I guess not...:idk: It sounds like good idea to me and as far as the weight,if I'm not mistaken,the regular bike lost some lbs so maybe it'll even out. As long as it's not "linked" as well. I can't fucking stand linked brakes! I rode my buds CBR1100XX and I gave it back to him after a few miles,it drove me nuts!

it is a linked system... but it's an ACTIVE linked system... meaning if you jam on the brake... it activates BOTH brakes to slow you down.. but adjusts them so they don't lock up... so as you brake the back brake comes on fully to "squat" the motorcycle... along with the front brake... as you continue to brake the ratio of back brake to full brake changes.. the rear brake is let up to stop a rear tire skid...

not something I'd think you'd want on the track... but on the street I think it'd be fine... :idk:

[MILK]

I've had to use it several times in the 4 years I've had my bike and I've never had a problem with it kicking back. I've talked to plenty of folks who have ABS and like me they highly recommend it to other riders. :dthumb: My VFR has linked brakes as well.

[Amber Lamps]

Hey I'm OLD and set in my ways! I just don't like the rear brake engaging when all I want is front and I especially don't want the front engaging when all I want is rear.

[PhiSig1071]

Uh, 20 extra pounds? On a 600, that's a difference even a newbie could feel. And how much does it cost, and how reliable are the sensors and control unit before they break down and require hundreds of dollars to replace?

really? Phi Sig said he didn't notice... he's not a noob... :idk:

20 lbs all depends on WHERE it is... the reason you notice your tank so much is where the fuel is stored... and you notice the difference because you know how it feels WITH and WITH OUT that weight...

where as on the bike... it's always gonna be there... unless your jumping between an ABS version and a NON ABS version... you'll not notice it.

Thanks Ebbs!

Homeslice, been riding since I was a kid, doing trackdays for three years, formerly licensed roadracer, and current MSF Ridercoach. You don't get paid to ride a bunch of brand new bikes as a newb. Having ridden a Non-ABS CBR600RR on Friday and the ABS version on Monday, so practically back to back, I could not feel a difference in handling due to weight. I couldn't feel the difference in weight at all honestly, honda's press crap says they engineered the placement of the ABS hardware to minimize the effect of the extra pounds and they did a damn fine job.

I wonder if it kicks back at you like car abs?

As Tig or Ebbs stated above, I swore I could feel the ABS coming on, but it wasn't really noticable in a manner you would assume, no kickback, no surging, nothing changed really. I honestly think it might have just been my brain telling me something was wrong because I was braking hard enough to lock it up but it wasn't, and I think given enough time on the bike I would never even notice it.

I also rode the new Bandit 1250 with ABS in the rain and I was impressed by that as well. I had only ever ridden a older generation BMW ABS on a GS, and they had some issues with level feel that I didn't like.

[Mr Lefty]

so Phi... did you notice any difference between the two ABS bikes? Honda's is supposed to be completely different in that it's brake by wire at high speeds and hydro at low.... specifically designed for sportbikes...

[pickle.of.doom]

I wonder if its as gay as k-pube-b?

[PhiSig1071]

so Phi... did you notice any difference between the two ABS bikes? Honda's is supposed to be completely different in that it's brake by wire at high speeds and hydro at low.... specifically designed for sportbikes...

Honestly I pushed the CBR hard on the brakes trying to get a reaction and couldn't, the bandit I didn't really try, I trail braked harder than I normally would in the rain but that's about it. I didn't notice any discernible difference but I was also riding the two systems differently.

[Rangerscott]

Does any bike that has ABS able to turn it off?

[Porkchop]

Check out the new SPORT RIDER for this month. They test the 09 CBR600RR C-ABS.... sounded like they like it.

[JoJoYZF]

Sport rider just did a test on the cbr abs and seem to have liked it. Its in this months issue, which also has the crossplane crankshaft 09 r1 tested in it. Good issue so far.

Check out the new SPORT RIDER for this month. They test the 09 CBR600RR C-ABS.... sounded like they like it.

You trying to be like me now?

[JoshuaTree]

Y'all crack me up. ABS is NOT NEW on MOTORCYCLES. :p

Depending on the system type, you'll either "feel it" working, or you'll know it after you've stopped and wondered why. A certain motorcycle manufacturer has had ABS on some (and now almost all) of its bikes since 1988. :rockwoot:

The generation of ABS on my 1993 K75S (ABS I) is crude, sometimes ineffective (under the right combination of slow speed, marginal road surface conditions and ham-fisted operation of the front master cylinder), but can, has, and will continue to keep me from true brake lockup harm. :rockout:

RE: Turning ABS Off - Yes, on the GS models with ABS, there's a handlebar switch.

I can't speak to the usefulness of ABS in track situations, nor can I tell you that linked brakes are or are not "better" in any given situation. For a street bike, especially used as a commuter vehicle, I wouldn't want to be without it (ABS).

:idk:

[Mr Lefty]

Y'all crack me up. ABS is NOT NEW on MOTORCYCLES. :p

Depending on the system type, you'll either "feel it" working, or you'll know it after you've stopped and wondered why. A certain motorcycle manufacturer has had ABS on some (and now almost all) of its bikes since 1988. :rockwoot:

The generation of ABS on my 1993 K75S (ABS I) is crude, sometimes ineffective (under the right combination of slow speed, marginal road surface conditions and ham-fisted operation of the front master cylinder), but can, has, and will continue to keep me from true brake lockup harm. :rockout:

RE: Turning ABS Off - Yes, on the GS models with ABS, there's a handlebar switch.

I can't speak to the usefulness of ABS in track situations, nor can I tell you that linked brakes are or are not "better" in any given situation. For a street bike, especially used as a commuter vehicle, I wouldn't want to be without it (ABS).

:idk:
I don't think anyone was thinking ABS was new to motorcycles...

BUT this version IS new... when at speed it's brake by wire... and only at slow speeds does it switch back to a hydro system.

and no... from what I've read you cannot turn off the CBR system... though I'm not sure why you'd want to. unless your hitting the track hard... but then it's not the bike for ya

[Amber Lamps]

I don't think anyone was thinking ABS was new to motorcycles...

BUT this version IS new... when at speed it's brake by wire... and only at slow speeds does it switch back to a hydro system.

and no... from what I've read you cannot turn off the CBR system... though I'm not sure why you'd want to. unless your hitting the track hard... but then it's not the bike for ya

Yea they still sell them without ABS!

[DLIT]

Here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlI_zTU7Gq8

[JoshuaTree]

I don't think anyone was thinking ABS was new to motorcycles...

This was a case of ":poke:" brought to you by the letters A, B, and S... redflip

< you may now resume your regularly scheduled thread discussion :D >

[Mr Lefty]

:lol: