View Full Version : For the Mac elitists
Papa_Complex
03-31-2009, 01:31 PM
It isn't because your gear is so much better, it's because no one gives enough of a damn to exploit them.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/03/safari-successfully-exploited-in-seconds-in-pwn2own-contest.ars
It isn't because your gear is so much better, it's because no one gives enough of a damn to exploit them.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/03/safari-successfully-exploited-in-seconds-in-pwn2own-contest.ars
:lol: yeah, we are just starting to see Mac bugs and flaws because there is actually enough of them out there for people to start giving a damn.
marko138
03-31-2009, 04:21 PM
Mac pwns.
Homeslice
03-31-2009, 04:23 PM
As I posted earlier, I've seen more PC elitism on discussion boards, rather than Mac elitism.
Mac pwns.
yeah, your wallet.
marko138
03-31-2009, 04:38 PM
yeah, your wallet.
Not mine.
t-homo
03-31-2009, 04:39 PM
Macs are so much nicer. I just had an argument with a guy on another board about this like 3 days ago. He tried comparing the lowest mac to the lowest HP laptop as an argument though.
the chi
03-31-2009, 04:39 PM
yeah, your wallet.
No shit, I was dying to get the probook for my pictures editing and other hobbies, but I just couldnt justify spending that much right now on just a laptop...*sigh* That dream will have to wait.
Macs are so much nicer. I just had an argument with a guy on another board about this like 3 days ago. He tried comparing the lowest mac to the lowest HP laptop as an argument though.
Macs would be better if they allowed more flexibility to their system and making upgrading the system easier and more affordable. Things like not having access to batteries and such is ridiculous.
They aren't really that nice dollar for dollar.
t-homo
03-31-2009, 04:50 PM
I agree it would be nice to have them be easily upgradable. Dollar for dollar, if you build a toshiba to hp laptop to the exact specs of the Mac, they wont be too far off.
I agree it would be nice to have them be easily upgradable. Dollar for dollar, if you build a toshiba to hp laptop to the exact specs of the Mac, they wont be too far off.
don't buy a toshiba, there are other brands PC laptops
anthonyk
03-31-2009, 04:58 PM
I embrace my elitist side.
the chi
03-31-2009, 04:59 PM
Picked up an HP pavilion laptop last night, so far I think I like it. Bought it for the huge screen and the graphics, apparently its considered a "gaming" computer, but I'll MAKE it work for $1200 less than the Macpro I wanted.
Please more of you go over to apple and take all the hackers/crackers/virus programmers with you. I will gladly keeping pay less money for better systems that are now free from attack since you guys took them with you.
anthonyk
03-31-2009, 05:28 PM
No doubt. My stock could use a boost. Some of you iPhone dabblers need to man up and buy a computer already. :lol:
Papa_Complex
03-31-2009, 05:30 PM
As I posted earlier, I've seen more PC elitism on discussion boards, rather than Mac elitism.
I guess you aren't on any photography forums then. In other forums I find that Linux elitism is rampant.
I guess you aren't on any photography forums then. In other forums I find that Linux elitism is rampant.
Linux is definitely the worst. Mac a close second, I don't see much Microsoft elitism on the net. Mostly MS bashing.
pauldun170
03-31-2009, 05:46 PM
Linux is definitely the worst. Mac a close second, I don't see much Microsoft elitism on the net. Mostly MS bashing.
Mac elitism = Done by people who judge a person by what they wear
Linux elitism = Done by people who need a life
PC elitism = Rare but done by people who are tired of fad hoppers and geeks who haven't seen enough sunlight yapping about how great an operating system is.
njchopper87
03-31-2009, 05:58 PM
My sister had an Imac a long time ago, and I hated it. The fucker just wouldn't stop crashing. It was one of the lower end models, but it was still bullshit. My friend's parents bought a top of the line mac not too long ago and it's great. I don't know what to think of them, but I do know it's a hell of a lot cheaper to build a good PC then it is to fork out the cash for a mac. Not to mention mac doesn't support nearly as many programs as PC still.
Homeslice
03-31-2009, 06:08 PM
I guess you aren't on any photography forums then. In other forums I find that Linux elitism is rampant.
I meant forums like car, bike, and other "male-dominated" hobby forums I've been on. Usually with these guys it's always about how great their custom-built PC is, how much money they saved (but probably spent more time)........But the biggest thing I notice is that they go on and on about how stupid someone would have to be to buy a Mac, and that Mac owners must have only bought it for the image, and that they are sheep, etc. etc.
In contrast, most Mac owners I know stick to themselves, and don't actively diss PC's unless they are attacked first.
Papa_Complex
03-31-2009, 06:11 PM
I meant forums like car, bike, and other "male-dominated" hobby forums I've been on. Usually with these guys it's always about how great their custom-built PC is, how much money they saved (but probably spent more time)........But the biggest thing I notice is that they go on and on about how stupid someone would have to be to buy a Mac, and that Mac owners must have only bought it for the image, and that they are sheep, etc. etc.
In contrast, most Mac owners I know stick to themselves, and don't actively diss PC's unless they are attacked first.
Look back on the old forum and this one, to the threads in which someone was asking for help with a PC problem ;)
t-homo
03-31-2009, 06:52 PM
Mac elitism = Done by people who judge a person by what they wear
Linux elitism = Done by people who need a life
PC elitism = Rare but done by people who are tired of fad hoppers and geeks who haven't seen enough sunlight yapping about how great an operating system is.
PC elitism is more by gamers who will typically admit that Mac has a better OS but it doesn't have all of their games so therefore, PCs are still better.
PC elitism is more by gamers who will typically admit that Mac has a better OS but it doesn't have all of their games so therefore, PCs are still better.
The Mac OS isn't better, it just has different strengths and no one attacking it. Every OS has it's pros and cons and judging by word/internet/sparse gaming/excel and whatever other minimal programs you use is not a true test of an OS.
An OS is also judged by it's applications and games would fall into that category. So that is a big knock against Mac for not having the games on it's side. I would rather play games on an easily upgradable PC anyway, as opposed to a pain in the ass to upgrade machine like a Mac.
t-homo
03-31-2009, 10:14 PM
I'm actually considering building a PC this summer mostly for gaming, then keeping my Mac laptop for school use.
thunderex
04-01-2009, 01:20 AM
The Mac OS isn't better, it just has different strengths and no one attacking it. Every OS has it's pros and cons and judging by word/internet/sparse gaming/excel and whatever other minimal programs you use is not a true test of an OS.
An OS is also judged by it's applications and games would fall into that category. So that is a big knock against Mac for not having the games on it's side. I would rather play games on an easily upgradable PC anyway, as opposed to a pain in the ass to upgrade machine like a Mac.
Well, you can boot Macs into Windows if it's really that big of a deal. I don't really play that many games so it's not important to me. That and my whole industry uses Macs mean I buy and I like to use Macs. I don't particularly care what other people use but there is definitely no shortage of PC snobs out there who will shit on Macs every time the topic arises, like this thread.
Well, you can boot Macs into Windows if it's really that big of a deal. I don't really play that many games so it's not important to me. That and my whole industry uses Macs mean I buy and I like to use Macs. I don't particularly care what other people use but there is definitely no shortage of PC snobs out there who will shit on Macs every time the topic arises, like this thread.
You can make Hackintosh's out of PCs. So what's your point?
Rsv1000R
04-01-2009, 08:07 AM
But Mac OS running on a Intel box is only recent, for decades they ran Motorola processors, and while PC were an open arch, Mac was closed.
If you had only very specific needs and a mac would fill them, they were really good for non-computer people, and had popularity for that. IMO they were easier to use, but enhancing it was harder, where pc were harder to use (sort of), but it was a lot easier to to do thing like write batch files, and automate tasks.
Now some of this has changed, the mac gui is on a variant of unix, I'd probably like that, but app selection still sucks, and everything is more expensive.
pauldun170
04-01-2009, 10:29 AM
But Mac OS running on a Intel box is only recent, for decades they ran Motorola processors, and while PC were an open arch, Mac was closed.
If you had only very specific needs and a mac would fill them, they were really good for non-computer people, and had popularity for that. IMO they were easier to use, but enhancing it was harder, where pc were harder to use (sort of), but it was a lot easier to to do thing like write batch files, and automate tasks.
Now some of this has changed, the mac gui is on a variant of unix, I'd probably like that, but app selection still sucks, and everything is more expensive.
Boot Camp is fine and dandy, great now that Apple is now platform agnostic to an extent...
Can someone give me one good reason why I should be all exited about paying for and managing 2 separate operating systems on one PC?
I not ridiculing or diminishing the needs of some to run both on one machine...but to be honest it is not something worth bragging about. Basically you are admitting that just one OS is insufficient to do everything you need to do.
Boot Camp is fine and dandy, great now that Apple is now platform agnostic to an extent...
Can someone give me one good reason why I should be all exited about paying for and managing 2 separate operating systems on one PC?
I not ridiculing or diminishing the needs of some to run both on one machine...but to be honest it is not something worth bragging about. Basically you are admitting that just one OS is insufficient to do everything you need to do.
forward...backwards
Rsv1000R
04-01-2009, 11:27 AM
I'm not exactly sure what you said, But I think I quit using the copy of Linix I installed right after I got x-windows to work for the same reason 15 years ago.
Homeslice
04-01-2009, 01:47 PM
You can make Hackintosh's out of PCs. So what's your point?
can they run OSX as well or as fast as Macs run Windows?
can they run OX as well or as fast as Macs run Windows?
don't know, never ran a mac in windows and never ran a PC in OSX.
pauldun170
04-01-2009, 01:56 PM
A proper shootout
http://www.tomshardware.com/picturestory/502-shootout-april-fools.html
Papa_Complex
04-01-2009, 03:14 PM
can they run OSX as well or as fast as Macs run Windows?
Just getting one of my spare GX-270 systems to run OS-X would simplify my limited Mac support role. Unfortunately I don't think that I'm grounded enough in Unix derivatives to be able to do it.
thunderex
04-02-2009, 04:36 AM
You can make Hackintosh's out of PCs. So what's your point?
Huh? Someone was saying that you can't game on a Mac. I'm saying that now you can game or run Windows apps just like you can in Windows if it's a huge deal. New Macs can act just like a Windows computer. What's your point? I'm not suggesting everyone or anyone go out and buy a Mac, I'm just saying that that particular complaint is no longer valid.
Hackintoshes will "work" but they're not supported and they don't seem to manage to do software updates from Apple well. Sometimes the updates break them. If someone wants to build one, more power to em.
I have Windows on a virtual machine on my Mac. It's not something I "brag" about. It's there just in case. For instance, my wife needed to back up her Windows work-supplied laptop last week. She had an external drive that she used to use that was FAT32 so she couldn't backup her Outlook database because it was larger than the file size limit of FAT32. I took an old USB external drive of mine and ran Windows in VMWare Fusion to reformat it into a NTFS drive. Windows couldn't even see the drive before because it was HFS+, so we couldn't even reformat it, at least not with my knowledge of Windows.
Every once in a while I have some gadget that requires Windows for firmware updates, which is bullshit. But now I can deal with it with little issue. Otherwise I really don't run the Windows VM on my machine. It might get booted up once every other month.
Every once in a while I have some gadget that requires Windows for firmware updates, which is bullshit.
You mean companies invest solely to cater to the majority that will provide them with the best source of cash flow instead of a small percentage of the population. OMG!!! They shouldn't do that shit!!!
thunderex
04-02-2009, 01:33 PM
Well 10% of the market isn't exactly insignificant. There are usually companies that are willing to put in the effort for that percentage. Anyway, like I said it's no big deal for me. You seem to be itching for a fight over this subject for some reason and I don't really care. Enjoy your choice and I'll enjoy mine.
You seem to be itching for a fight over this subject for some reason and I don't really care. Enjoy your choice and I'll enjoy mine.
:lol: I love these net responses, it's the "I'm think I am too good for internet debating, but I am really not" tactic
If you don't actually care, why even post about it?
Homeslice
04-02-2009, 01:48 PM
don't know, never ran a mac in windows and never ran a PC in OSX.
well put it this way, an Intel Mac can run Windows faster than pretty much any PC
well put it this way, an Intel Mac can run Windows faster than pretty much any PC
I'd like to see actual facts to support that.
marko138
04-02-2009, 01:50 PM
:badpost:
Papa_Complex
04-02-2009, 02:12 PM
well put it this way, an Intel Mac can run Windows faster than pretty much any PC
An Intel Mac notebook vs. a PC notebook. Unless you're running it as VM. In the past.
thunderex
04-02-2009, 03:11 PM
:lol: I love these net responses, it's the "I'm think I am too good for internet debating, but I am really not" tactic
If you don't actually care, why even post about it?
I said I don't care to get into a fight over it. I was originally just stating that Macs can now run Windows apps fairly easily so if someone was interested in a Mac but was worried about Windows software, it's not that much of a concern. I wasn't trying to spur a debate, I was simply giving a fact.
thunderex
04-02-2009, 03:17 PM
well put it this way, an Intel Mac can run Windows faster than pretty much any PC
Not really. An Intel Mac will run Windows just at about exactly the same speed as a similar Windows computer. The components are all the same so there's no difference. However, Macs do get the newest processors from Intel a little earlier than other OEMs so there is a slight window where a Mac might run faster than a Windows machine.
I think you're thinking about a PC Magazine article last year that stated the best Windows laptop was a MacBook Pro. But I don't think it was necessarily because the MBP was much faster than an equivalent PC laptop, it's just that they liked the construction of it and considered it the best overall choice compared to the PC laptops they tested.
Homeslice
04-02-2009, 03:39 PM
It wasn't that article, but there have been tests where they ran Photoshop scripts on a Macbook in an XP environment and it could do it faster than several PC laptops could.
Avatard
04-02-2009, 04:10 PM
Not really. An Intel Mac will run Windows just at about exactly the same speed as a similar Windows computer. The components are all the same so there's no difference. However, Macs do get the newest processors from Intel a little earlier than other OEMs so there is a slight window where a Mac might run faster than a Windows machine.
I think you're thinking about a PC Magazine article last year that stated the best Windows laptop was a MacBook Pro. But I don't think it was necessarily because the MBP was much faster than an equivalent PC laptop, it's just that they liked the construction of it and considered it the best overall choice compared to the PC laptops they tested.
...and it was faster.
They're better PCs than PCs, they're MACs, and can even run LINUX. They're well made, compact, well designed and thought out, and are usually very efficient.
What's not to like? Today's MACs mean not even having to have the Win vs. Mac debate.
EpyonXero
04-02-2009, 05:12 PM
I love my Mac, I have a newer Windows laptop which I like but I still enjoy using my Mac more. Thats the difference.
What's not to like? Today's MACs mean not even having to have the Win vs. Mac debate.
price, same parts, much more expensive, ooh it's pretty though
Mac - no one cares...
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b354/goatboy496/ipod_day2.jpg
t-homo
04-02-2009, 08:28 PM
Hilarious.
anthonyk
04-02-2009, 10:06 PM
:lol: now that's some funny shit right there...
Personally, I like the style, even if the rest can be duplicated for cheaper. I'm okay with paying extra for it. We just got a big iMac, and it's the first computer I don't mind having sitting out in plain sight in the living room.
Homeslice
04-02-2009, 10:10 PM
Mac - no one cares...
yep, mac is lame
yep, mac is lame
totally :lol:
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