Federal cigarette tax hike

[Rider]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/01/cigarette.tax/

I don't smoke but god damn. For the price of a carton of cigarettes($70 in MI) you can go get a hooker. It just as pleasurable and it's no more hazardous to your health.

[t-homo]

A carton here used to be like 25 bucks depending on if you went somewhere with discounts. I'll have to see how much more they've gone up. Used to be 3.65 for a pack with tax last semester, then jumped up for like 4.80 with tax now, and i think its getting more expensive. Looks like it might be time to quit smoking.

[Dragonpaco]

Delaware FTW!

[Flexin]

I have a fool proof plan that can save everybody from taxes on cigarettes. For a limited time only I will be selling this great plan for $49.95 plus shipping and handling.

James

[Angee]

I smoked my last one this morning...I hope...:lol: I'm tired of spending the money. I figure if I set the money aside in a savings account that I normally spend on smokes, I could pay for a trip to Nashville or three...I used to be a 3 pack a day smoker and cut WAYYYYY down already to about a half a pack a day, so I'm hoping this won't be TOO hard. It helps that Rob quit yesterday so I won't have to deal with him smoking. Generics are $6 a pack here in Upstate NY...

[zed]

I've cut back, a pack is lasting me 2 to 3 days now. marlboro's knock a bit hole in $6 here. I paid $46 for a carton and a pack of reds a few days ago.

[Archren]

Guess Tracy and his friend need to hurry up and fulfill their end of the bet I made them so I can quit smoking (I'm going to keep my vice until then, TYVM).

[njchopper87]

Hooray. Now my parents will be spending even more on the damn things.

[Rider]

Hooray. Now my parents will be spending even more on the damn things.

= less inheritance for you.

[MILK]

One of the seed companies I buy my vegetables from has tobacco. Grow your own! Johnny's Select Seeds has at least 2 varieties if I remember correctly..

[Rider]

One of the seed companies I buy my vegetables from has tobacco. Grow your own! Johnny's Select Seeds has at least 2 varieties if I remember correctly..

Zig Zag's and any other paraphernalia is also getting a tax hike. So unless you make your own papers, you'll still be giving the government more money.

[z06boy]

I don't smoke so I don't care...BUT that does sound like some BS to me.

[goof2]

But doesn't it feel good to pay for health insurance for the little children? Even if you have kids you pay to insure? Even if you have no kids? THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

[Smittie61984]

I wonder if Obama is exempt from the tax. He's got to be smoking a full carton a day now with all the stress that has been dropped on his lapl.

[Sixxxxer]

Doesnt affect me but I certainly dont feel Bad for anyone who does smoke and has to pay it...Your an idiot for paying that much for a pack of ciggerettes

[Dave]

im about to start growing tabacco just to sell the shit...

[Porkchop]

Good.... i hope it gets my friends to quit....

[goof2]

im about to start growing tabacco just to sell the shit...

You think anybody growing tobacco will see any of the additional money?

[Flexin]

You think anybody growing tobacco will see any of the additional money?

Its tax money so they won't see any of it. But if Dave grows it and sells it he can make a huge profit by not having to charge tax. Well at least until he is caught and has to room with Bubba for 5 years. :panic:

James

[Flexin]

BTW I'm happy as fuck that I can say that I have never smoked a day in my life.

Damn I just gave away the secert to beating the tax. New price on the program, now only $19.99 + S&H. Call with in the next hour and recieve a set of steak knifes a shamwow.

James

[TYEster]

As someone who appreciates FINE tobacco, like that in cigars, personally I don't care for cigarettes nor the part of this tax on them.

I do however give a shit about the fact that cigars were taxed today at about $.40 a PIECE for large, "premium" hand-mades. Something still yet to be proven to cause any of the cancers cigarettes do, however Obama's strike at the rich should hit a few pockets with this tax. Namely mine, even though I'm not rich.

Thankfully since I'm a Cigar Rights of Assoc member, I've known about this tax coming for awhile now and since stocked up a supply. So put this in your pipe 'Bama and smoke it!

[R1up0n1]

My fiance and I are quitting right after the wedding on May 16th....well probably after the honeymoon.

[Librarian]

As someone who appreciates FINE tobacco, like that in cigars, [snip]

Fine for the smoker, stinkier than a dead skunk to the rest of us.

[snip] Something still yet to be proven to cause any of the cancers cigarettes do, [snip]

Just mouth, tongue, and lip cancer, as well as increased incidence of cancers and pulmonary diseases in both smokers and anyone who lives with them.

Grow up and take that phallic symbol out of your mouth. If you want to suck on something that looks like a large premium cigar, I have it right here in my pants.

[TYEster]

Just mouth, tongue, and lip cancer, as well as increased incidence of cancers and pulmonary diseases in both smokers and anyone who lives with them.

Grow up and take that phallic symbol out of your mouth. If you want to suck on something that looks like a large premium cigar, I have it right here in my pants.

Show me the scientific evidence where CIGAR tobacco has caused any of that, I mean REAL PROOF, not just the propaganda your ignorant ass believes.

I seriously doubt you have anything in your pants that could go in my mouth since it's too busy in your sisters 'gina. Not to mention we don't keep magnifying glasses around here.

[Sixxxxer]

Wow, You sound Angry.

[TYEster]

Wow, You sound Angry.

Nah :pat:

[Librarian]

Clinton knew what to do with a cigar. Not a phallic symbol? :lmao:

[Particle Man]

good thing I don't smoke. :lol:

[bmblebee]

I stay well stocked in these...and don't pay any taxes

[derf]

Clinton knew what to do with a cigar. Not a phallic symbol? :lmao:

He wound up smoking it anyway, just with an added flavor.

[Particle Man]

He wound up smoking it anyway, just with an added flavor.

he just found a better way to keep up the humidity

[Archren]

he just found a better way to keep up the humidity

:panic::panic:


Use the cigar, Bill, uuuuse the cigaaaar...

[derf]

Seriously though, its fucked up, I paid $39 on monday and I don't want to see what it is now.

I smoke cigars, and while I'm not happy an extra dollar tax on a $20+ cigar isn't all that bad.

[bmblebee]

Seriously though, its fucked up, I paid $39 on monday and I don't want to see what it is now.

I smoke cigars, and while I'm not happy an extra dollar tax on a $20+ cigar isn't all that bad.


20 dollars for a cigar? I don't pay half that for those Edmundos by the box

[Rider]

20 dollars for a cigar? I don't pay half that for those Edmundos by the box

Yeah but Cohibas are sooo worth it.

[OneSickPsycho]

When I started smoking they were like a buck and some (small) change. When I quit a few years ago they were over $3/pack. $6/pack is fucking retarded. I'd either start rolling my own, or switch to crack. Cheaper either way.

[zed]

When I started smoking they were like a buck and some (small) change. When I quit a few years ago they were over $3/pack. $6/pack is fucking retarded. I'd either start rolling my own, or switch to crack. Cheaper either way.

I used to get change back from a buck when I started.

[Librarian]

I used to get change back from a buck when I started.

35 cents in the machines, which were a ripoff compared to a store at under $3 per carton.

I think I'm getting old. :panic:

[Method]

:lol: I watched someone buy a pack of smokes here in the city for just over $10.

Insane.

[wildchild]

I actually like the tax in a way. I quit just over 5 years ago. The girl said she would quit when she knew I was serious about this whole quitting thing. Now with the new taxes she did the roll your own for the last year and now for the last month she has finally been smoke free. :rockwoot:

[zed]

35 cents in the machines, which were a ripoff compared to a store at under $3 per carton.

I think I'm getting old. :panic:

sorry bud but, I have to agree. LOL

[zed]

I actually like the tax in a way. I quit just over 5 years ago. The girl said she would quit when she knew I was serious about this whole quitting thing. Now with the new taxes she did the roll your own for the last year and now for the last month she has finally been smoke free. :rockwoot:

I'd have to get one of those rolling machines, I never could roll a cigarette.

[Frostz28]

Alright, well I quit smoking like a year and a half ago and honestly have never had the desire to start again. Maybe a smoke here or there but no real cravings so this tax doesn't affect me at all, but its still BULLSHIT!!!! Why are cigarettes and cigars being taxed and not other things? I know why, because the government knows if they tax smokers a large majority of smokers will keep smoking and just pay the tax because they are addicted, As oppose to taxing other things that people would be more likely to cut back on. Ive also hears some BS about the government doing it hoping to encourage people to quit smoking.... which is even more BS. Thats not the governments job in my opinion, and if it is screw the cig tax and start taxing fast food since obesity is a WAY bigger problem in this country. and a lot of people say they don't care but if the government decided to throw a astronomical tax on motorcycles like they have on cigs Ill bet you'd all care. You might think thats totally diffrent and would never happen but think about it. Is it really all that diffrent, motorcycles are considered to be a hobby or recreation by most people, and many people argue about how dangerous they are so... to me its not much diffrent at all. Lets just hope it never happens.

[Smittie61984]

For a little more you could smoke crack. Atleast you get high with crack

[goof2]

Alright, well I quit smoking like a year and a half ago and honestly have never had the desire to start again. Maybe a smoke here or there but no real cravings so this tax doesn't affect me at all, but its still BULLSHIT!!!! Why are cigarettes and cigars being taxed and not other things? I know why, because the government knows if they tax smokers a large majority of smokers will keep smoking and just pay the tax because they are addicted, As oppose to taxing other things that people would be more likely to cut back on. Ive also hears some BS about the government doing it hoping to encourage people to quit smoking.... which is even more BS. Thats not the governments job in my opinion, and if it is screw the cig tax and start taxing fast food since obesity is a WAY bigger problem in this country. and a lot of people say they don't care but if the government decided to throw a astronomical tax on motorcycles like they have on cigs Ill bet you'd all care. You might think thats totally diffrent and would never happen but think about it. Is it really all that diffrent, motorcycles are considered to be a hobby or recreation by most people, and many people argue about how dangerous they are so... to me its not much diffrent at all. Lets just hope it never happens.

That is part of it, but another important component is the impression people have of smokers. Above you stated people don't care, but it is more than that. Many non smokers actively dislike smoking. This is one of the few taxes where people who don't participate in the activity go beyond "I don't care" and actually think "good, screw them" when they hear about it. The government knows they can tax cigarettes to the moon and not only will the majority not complain, they will applaud the measure.

[Frostz28]

That is part of it, but another important component is the impression people have of smokers. Above you stated people don't care, but it is more than that. Many non smokers actively dislike smoking. This is one of the few taxes where people who don't participate in the activity go beyond "I don't care" and actually think "good, screw them" when they hear about it. The government knows they can tax cigarettes to the moon and not only will the majority not complain, they will applaud the measure.

VERY VERY true! smokers have already been banned in most states from bars and all other "public" areas. So in my opinion at this point being around smokers is a choice. If your friend smokes and you don't like it, don't hang out with them. The problem with the nonsmokers as you said applauding these actions doesn't end with the smoking taxes and bans, the bigger problem is it sets a precedent for the government saying its ok to overtax what ever they want, and in my opinion violate the rights of bar owners by telling them what can and can't be allowed in THEIR bars. Establishments that they worked hard for and staked their well being on its success, and now the government can just walk in and say "you can't allow smoking, it remains legal you just can't allow people to do it in your establishment even though a large portion of your patrons smoke". All because "nonsmokers" pushed and applauded the government because they didn't like smoking, but the have failed to see the big picture and don't realize the power they just put in the governments hands. Then next time they might be on the other side of the issue but if the government can do it once they can and will do it again.

[TYEster]

VERY VERY true! smokers have already been banned in most states from bars and all other "public" areas. So in my opinion at this point being around smokers is a choice. If your friend smokes and you don't like it, don't hang out with them. The problem with the nonsmokers as you said applauding these actions doesn't end with the smoking taxes and bans, the bigger problem is it sets a precedent for the government saying its ok to overtax what ever they want, and in my opinion violate the rights of bar owners by telling them what can and can't be allowed in THEIR bars. Establishments that they worked hard for and staked their well being on its success, and now the government can just walk in and say "you can't allow smoking, it remains legal you just can't allow people to do it in your establishment even though a large portion of your patrons smoke". All because "nonsmokers" pushed and applauded the government because they didn't like smoking, but the have failed to see the big picture and don't realize the power they just put in the governments hands. Then next time they might be on the other side of the issue but if the government can do it once they can and will do it again.

:iagree: :pat:

[TYEster]

I stay well stocked in these...and don't pay any taxes

Problem is the only place I know to get Cubans online charge an outrageous price for them. It's located in Swiss-land and they'll deband the cigars to get past customs, but shit $15+ per stick...

[bmblebee]

Yeah but Cohibas are sooo worth it.

I have a box of cuban cohibas tucked away in one of my humidors, They have to sit for 4 or 5 years to get full flavored. The Edmundos are good in about 40 months. That's the biggest problem with cuban cigars. They only age about 2 years at the factory before they sell them, so unless you check the box codes carefully, you have to age them for years before you can really enjoy them. The smokes I am enjoying now, have been sitting in my humidors for at least 3 years

I don't buy cigars, especially cubans online, you don't know how they have been kept or when they were rolled.

[Fleck750]

I'd have to get one of those rolling machines, I never could roll a cigarette.


Tutorial!!!

http://www.hempfiles.com/php/page.php?id=5

[rogue]

Injector. It works better and isn't as frustrating.

Of course, I'm lazy. :lol:

[Dragonpaco]

i learned how to roll by hand by watching how my first rolling machine worked

[Fleck750]

i learned how to roll by hand by watching how my first rolling machine worked

I can honestly say I've never rolled a cigarette. But if the price goes up any more, I'll have to remember how to roll them other things I use to smoke.

At least I won't have to pass these rolled items around with a roach clip. :D

[zed]

Injector. It works better and isn't as frustrating.

Of course, I'm lazy. :lol:

that's what I was talking about.

years ago I tried rolling my own, I got kicked out of a bar once. they were pitiful.

[was92v]

I can honestly say I've never rolled a cigarette. But if the price goes up any more, I'll have to remember how to roll them other things I use to smoke.

At least I won't have to pass these rolled items around with a roach clip. :D

Rolling your own won't work either. The tax on bulk cut tobacco was raised 2,200% at the same time as the tax was raised on processed cigs, so the net result is that it is as expensive to roll your own as it is to buy a pack.
The owner of a Tobacco shop here was complaining to the media that he has a couple of hundred pounds that he will never be able to sell now...

[zed]

Rolling your own won't work either. The tax on bulk cut tobacco was raised 2,200% at the same time as the tax was raised on processed cigs, so the net result is that it is as expensive to roll your own as it is to buy a pack.
The owner of a Tobacco shop here was complaining to the media that he has a couple of hundred pounds that he will never be able to sell now...

that is fucking unreal.

[goof2]

that is fucking unreal.

Why? Amid all the talk about American jobs, American workers, the American middle class, and hard working Americans the truth appears to be that the government only cares about these things when they are in furtherance of a social agenda. Hard working Americans are great when they are building solar panels and wind turbines. If they grow, process, or sell tobacco though, fuck em. They should be better using their time by building hybrid cars or catalytic converters for cows asses.

[rogue]

Rolling your own won't work either. The tax on bulk cut tobacco was raised 2,200% at the same time as the tax was raised on processed cigs, so the net result is that it is as expensive to roll your own as it is to buy a pack.
The owner of a Tobacco shop here was complaining to the media that he has a couple of hundred pounds that he will never be able to sell now...

What grade of tobacco are you comparing with what brand of smoke?

[zed]

Why? Amid all the talk about American jobs, American workers, the American middle class, and hard working Americans the truth appears to be that the government only cares about these things when they are in furtherance of a social agenda. Hard working Americans are great when they are building solar panels and wind turbines. If they grow, process, or sell tobacco though, fuck em. They should be better using their time by building hybrid cars or catalytic converters for cows asses.

so why do they subsidize the tobacco industry? we not only get to pay the most taxes when we buy the product, we get to pay taxes for the gov. to subsidize.

with the taxes they are putting on them they are pricing themselves out of an income off the damn things. I know my use has dropped by the minimum of 50% so the increase hasn't gotten/won't get them any more money.

[HurricaneHeather]

VERY VERY true! smokers have already been banned in most states from bars and all other "public" areas. So in my opinion at this point being around smokers is a choice. If your friend smokes and you don't like it, don't hang out with them. The problem with the nonsmokers as you said applauding these actions doesn't end with the smoking taxes and bans, the bigger problem is it sets a precedent for the government saying its ok to overtax what ever they want, and in my opinion violate the rights of bar owners by telling them what can and can't be allowed in THEIR bars. Establishments that they worked hard for and staked their well being on its success, and now the government can just walk in and say "you can't allow smoking, it remains legal you just can't allow people to do it in your establishment even though a large portion of your patrons smoke". All because "nonsmokers" pushed and applauded the government because they didn't like smoking, but the have failed to see the big picture and don't realize the power they just put in the governments hands. Then next time they might be on the other side of the issue but if the government can do it once they can and will do it again.

I'm sorry, but you might want to say that smokING is banned, not smokERS. :lol: Smokers can go everywhere a non-smoker can....ya just can't smoke while you are in there ;)

And I won't go to bars that permit smoking indoors. I don't like smelling disgusting. :shrug:

[zed]

no, it's smokers.

in other words, as long as you don't infringe on my rights as a non-smoker you are ok but you can infringe on a smokers rights? the same goes for you, if you don't like being around smokers don't go where they smoke.

I figured that some bars would end up charging like a buck cover or "membership" charge to get in to a bar to smoke. after all, if it's a private club wouldn't the members be able to do what they thought was ok within reason?

[goof2]

so why do they subsidize the tobacco industry? we not only get to pay the most taxes when we buy the product, we get to pay taxes for the gov. to subsidize.

with the taxes they are putting on them they are pricing themselves out of an income off the damn things. I know my use has dropped by the minimum of 50% so the increase hasn't gotten/won't get them any more money.

Subsidizing tobacco farmers ended in 2004. Those who would have continued to be entitled to subsidies are being bought out through 2014, using money from assessments against tobacco product manufacturers and tobacco importers.

[was92v]

So...who will be the next target? Smokers have been ostracized and the Gov't feels like they can't fight back against tax abuse. Once the smokers are sucked dry, quit or die off, who is next? Overweight tax? Actually it has already started and this just sets another precedent.

[goof2]

So...who will be the next target? Smokers have been ostracized and the Gov't feels like they can't fight back against tax abuse. Once the smokers are sucked dry, quit or die off, who is next? Overweight tax? Actually it has already started and this just sets another precedent.

My guess is ammunition. It will be presented as a safety initiative with a few supposed safety provisions that will do nothing. The mass shootings that have happened recently will be used as justification. The most convenient part is it would avoid any constitutional questions by avoiding the guns themselves. Another bonus is most gun owners buy one, shoot it once or twice and relegate it to the closet. They shouldn't care about ammo prices or complain when they are increased. If I am right, I think the administration will be in for a rude awakening.

[Librarian]

If they grow, process, or sell tobacco though, fuck em. They should be better using their time by building hybrid cars or catalytic converters for cows asses.

Why not? Here's a cattle-lytic converter. Why should we buy them from Japan when we can make them here?

[goof2]

Why not? Here's a cattle-lytic converter. Why should we buy them from Japan when we can make them here?

I'm sure environmental research labs have prototypes on the shelves ready to go.

[zed]

I'm sure environmental research labs have prototypes on the shelves ready to go.

shelves in California, stamped "Made in China"