Just one more reason to buy American...

[SoFlaSV]

GM, Ford, & Chrysler


INTERESTING...maybe the country should consider bailing them out to some degree

Nothing needs to be said... Ford, Chrysler and GM's contributions after 9/11

An interesting commentary...You might find this of interest:

CNN Headline News did a short news listing regarding Ford and GM's
contributions to the relief and recovery efforts in New York and Washington .

The findings are as follows.....

1. Ford - $10 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions
of the same number plus 10 Excursions to NY Fire Dept. The company also
offered ER response team services and office space to displaced government employees.

2. GM - $10 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions
of the same number and a fleet of Vans, SUV's, and Trucks..

3. Daimler Chrysler - $10 million to support of the children and victims
of the Sept. 11 attack.

4. Harley Davidson motorcycles - $1 million and 30 new
motorcycles to the New York Police Dept.

5. Volkswagen - Employees and management created a Sept 11 Foundation,
funded initial with $2 million, for the assistance of the children and victims of the WTC.

6. Hyundai - $300,000 to the American Red Cross.

7. Audi - see VW

8. BMW - Nothing.

9. Daewoo - Nothing.

10. Fiat - Nothing.

11. Honda - Nothing despite boasting of second best sales month ever in August 2001

12. Isuzu - Nothing.

13. Mitsubishi - Nothing.

14.. Nissan - Nothing.

15. Porsche - Nothing. Press release with condolences via the Porsche website.

16. Subaru - Nothing.

17. Suzuki - Nothing.

18. Toyota - Nothing despite claims of high sales in July and August 2001.
Condolences posted on the website .

Whenever the time may be for you to purchase a new vehicle, keep this information in mind. You might want to give more consideration to a car manufactured by an American-owned and / or American based company. Apart from Hyundai and Volkswagen, the foreign car companies contributed nothing at all to the citizens of the United States .... It's OK for these companies to take money out of this country, but it is apparently not acceptable to return some in a time of crisis. I believe we should not forget things like this. Say thank you in a way that gets their attention..

++++ Pass it on, I just did. ++++:rant:

[ZUKIMON]

Gotta support my Hyundai paycheck.

Really though....that's pretty outstanding of all the offerings from those who did. To those who didn't....PISS OFF! Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

[Particle Man]

Gotta support my Hyundai paycheck.


I've made quite the contribution then this year :lol:

[101lifts2]

This is why I buy GM or Ford.

[ZUKIMON]

I've made quite the contribution then this year :lol:

[thumbsup] Thanks dude! :D



101lifts2 This is why I buy GM or Ford.

Did I mention that I also work as a GM tech? :D

[tached1000rr]

So based upon this theory, we should all be riding Harleys????? Sorry I'll keep the Honda

[101lifts2]

[thumbsup] Thanks dude! :D





Did I mention that I also work as a GM tech? :D

U da man!

[Rangerscott]

Is this on that urban legend website?

[Mikey]

I prefer to buy American, and I'm happy to see that the American car companies helped out after 9/11.

That being said, my purchase decisions are based on product and price. I don't want FWD, ever, for anything. I also don't want a $30K pickup or SUV. When the American companies have business models that make sense and products I want for a price I'm willing to pay, they'll get my money.

Case in point: in 1997, you could get a Z28 Camaro (stripped) with a 6-speed manual transmission for $16K. I bought one. Bring that shit back, and I'm in. I will not, however, spend $25K for a Cobalt, no matter how many bells and whistles it has, and I'll never spend $50K for an Escalade.

[RACER X]

here's a reason not too.

Forumites at Camaro5 have been collectively scratching their heads for a couple days, wondering why there appear to be two layers of lead wheel weights stuck onto their brake calipers. It's a mystery Charlie Brown!

The confusion started when a poster uploaded an image of his new Camaro's Brembo calipers, on which were riding two rows of lead weights, normally affixed to the inside of a wheel rim to balance the tire. This led everyone with a Camaro to run outside to see it their mullet machine's also had the weights, which they do, at least on among the folks on the forum. GM has not answered to the confusion yet, but the leading theory is they were place on the caliper as a quick and dirty fix to alleviate brake squeal. From a physics perspective, this explanation is plausible, as resonant frequency is in large part determined by mass, and by changing the vibrating mass of the caliper with the weights, a troublesome squeal would be eliminated for a particular driving condition.

The trouble is if they're using normal brake weights, the heat cycling of the caliper will eventually cause the adhesive to fail and, if things get too serious on the track, the lead could actually melt. Though it's an odd issue and not really a big deal, we'll be keeping you in on the loop during Camaro brake-gate, though we recommend Camaro owners visit their local dealer and have their muffler bearings, blinker fluid, and piston-return springs checked out, just in case.
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http://jalopnik.com/5222908/2010-chevy-camaro-gets-mysterious-brake-weights

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/04/Camaro_brake_weights.jpg

[Particle Man]

here's a reason not too.

Forumites at Camaro5 have been collectively scratching their heads for a couple days, wondering why there appear to be two layers of lead wheel weights stuck onto their brake calipers. It's a mystery Charlie Brown!

The confusion started when a poster uploaded an image of his new Camaro's Brembo calipers, on which were riding two rows of lead weights, normally affixed to the inside of a wheel rim to balance the tire. This led everyone with a Camaro to run outside to see it their mullet machine's also had the weights, which they do, at least on among the folks on the forum. GM has not answered to the confusion yet, but the leading theory is they were place on the caliper as a quick and dirty fix to alleviate brake squeal. From a physics perspective, this explanation is plausible, as resonant frequency is in large part determined by mass, and by changing the vibrating mass of the caliper with the weights, a troublesome squeal would be eliminated for a particular driving condition.

The trouble is if they're using normal brake weights, the heat cycling of the caliper will eventually cause the adhesive to fail and, if things get too serious on the track, the lead could actually melt. Though it's an odd issue and not really a big deal, we'll be keeping you in on the loop during Camaro brake-gate, though we recommend Camaro owners visit their local dealer and have their muffler bearings, blinker fluid, and piston-return springs checked out, just in case.
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http://jalopnik.com/5222908/2010-chevy-camaro-gets-mysterious-brake-weights

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/04/Camaro_brake_weights.jpg
sounds like a planned recall to me (ie a short term solution to get the cars out there with a solution pending) in order to meet the production deadline

[Mr Lefty]

Outstanding... the companies, or at least who ever authorized this, is a standup person...


but sorry... they still make infierior products IMO.... I can appreciate that they care about this country in a crisis... but if they'd just build their vehicles so that they could keep up with Toyota and Honda in reliablility and cost of ownership... (I said reliablility... not WARRENTY) I'd be more willing to buy...

the fact is... American vehicles have been shitty so long by comparrison... that it'll take 10 years of outstanding reliablility before I'm willing to put my hard earned money at risk with one.

[Racerboy]

Its a nice story but this is what I found.....

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blautomakers.htm

And then the SNOPE debunking...I think is the best:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/automakers.asp

[Particle Man]

Its a nice story but this is what I found.....

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blautomakers.htm

And then the SNOPE debunking...I think is the best:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/automakers.asp

:doh::bonk:

Time to raise the:

:bsflag:

:lol:

[Papa_Complex]

I did a search for that "CNN story" and you know what the only thing I turned up was? This:

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_that_the_big_three.html

[VatorMan]

Its a nice story but this is what I found.....

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blautomakers.htm

And then the SNOPE debunking...I think is the best:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/automakers.asp

Beat me to it. Most of my toys are American-not because they are made in America, but because they are what I wanted at the time.

99 3/4 ton Silverado-If Toyota made a 3/4 ton truck I would have bought that.
08 Vette-Best production (no modifications)sports car for the money.
07 Yami VStar-Wanted a cheap cruiser to find out if that is really what I wanted in a MC
09 HD- Didn't want a WC cruiser-so HD fit the bill.

[wildchild]

yep most of my stuff has American labels just because they worked for me


'02 F150
'07 Chev HHR
'08 Jeep Wrangler
'09 HD

[Cutty72]

Outstanding... the companies, or at least who ever authorized this, is a standup person...


but sorry... they still make infierior products IMO.... I can appreciate that they care about this country in a crisis... but if they'd just build their vehicles so that they could keep up with Toyota and Honda in reliablility and cost of ownership... (I said reliablility... not WARRENTY) I'd be more willing to buy...

the fact is... American vehicles have been shitty so long by comparrison... that it'll take 10 years of outstanding reliablility before I'm willing to put my hard earned money at risk with one.

In the last few years I've seen more problems/issues with new Honda's and Toyotas than Ford/GM vehicles.

[tached1000rr]

In the last few years I've seen more problems/issues with new Honda's and Toyotas than Ford/GM vehicles.

I agree, American car companies have come a long ways since the 80's which basically killed any rep they had.

[101lifts2]

...the fact is... American vehicles have been shitty so long by comparrison... that it'll take 10 years of outstanding reliablility before I'm willing to put my hard earned money at risk with one.

Don't you work in the AirForce? Hard? lol

jk jk

Seriously you need to own a 2005 or higher GM/Ford or Chysler. They are very well built today vs. the 1980s and 1990s.

[Mikey]

Don't you work in the AirForce? Hard? lol

jk jk

Seriously you need to own a 2005 or higher GM/Ford or Chysler. They are very well built today vs. the 1980s and 1990s.

When and where did you serve? What's that- you didn't? Shut the fuck up, then. Thanks.

[Dave]

wait so the guys who are most in trouble are admitting to giving their money away and now want us to support their business model? :lmao:

[101lifts2]

When and where did you serve? What's that- you didn't? Shut the fuck up, then. Thanks.

Did you see the JUST KIDDING DUMBSHIT or do I need to hand deliver?

[Mr Lefty]

In the last few years I've seen more problems/issues with new Honda's and Toyotas than Ford/GM vehicles.

I agree, American car companies have come a long ways since the 80's which basically killed any rep they had.

Don't you work in the AirForce? Hard? lol

jk jk

Seriously you need to own a 2005 or higher GM/Ford or Chysler. They are very well built today vs. the 1980s and 1990s.

the only issues I've seen with Toyota's and Honda's were on NEW models... granted that shouldn't be an excuse... but the Domestic market has had trouble with models that have been around many years... ie the ford explorer.

I will conceed that Toyota doesn't over engeneer their vehicles like they used to... (my 87 had 1 ton rated axles and a fully boxed frame) but having test driven quite a few domestics when my motor blew before moving down here... I still say Toyota and Honda may be loosing ground... but they're still leaps and bounds ahead in quality. Reliability that's still track record... and as far as I've seen... the Domestics still trail

When and where did you serve? What's that- you didn't? Shut the fuck up, then. Thanks.
Calm down Mikey... dude was kidding... funny thing is... now I DO bust my ass... it's why I don't post much anymore 7-7's will do that.

[Mikey]

Did you see the JUST KIDDING DUMBSHIT or do I need to hand deliver?

Typing "jk" twice does not void your douchebaggery. Unless you've served, you have absolutely zero room to criticize those who have, even in a joking fashion. You, sir, are a waste of flesh who is not worthy of brushing the dust off of my combat boots.

[Mikey]

Calm down Mikey... dude was kidding... funny thing is... now I DO bust my ass... it's why I don't post much anymore 7-7's will do that.

I know he was kidding, but I'm really getting tired of civilians making cracks about something they don't understand. Combine that with the fact that this particular guy is a bit of a prick anyway, and it's not hard to hit a nerve.

Of course, maybe I'm just strung out because I'm TDY to an AETC base. ;)

[Mr Lefty]

I know he was kidding, but I'm really getting tired of civilians making cracks about something they don't understand. Combine that with the fact that this particular guy is a bit of a prick anyway, and it's not hard to hit a nerve.

Of course, maybe I'm just strung out because I'm TDY to an AETC base. ;)

:lol: well I'm STATIONED at an AETC base... for the next 4 years... JOY...

actually I love my job (at the moment :lol:) keeps me busy... and days go by fast...

[Mikey]

:lol: well I'm STATIONED at an AETC base... for the next 4 years... JOY...

actually I love my job (at the moment :lol:) keeps me busy... and days go by fast...

I don't know how you do it, man. People are crazy around here, and for all the wrong reasons. I don't know how I'm gonna do another two months out here.

I guess I'm spoiled by being in a job where I'm normally shielded from all the crap so that I can keep my head to the equipment and accomplish the mission. Out here, the crap I've been hiding from is the mission. :panic:

[Cutty72]

the only issues I've seen with Toyota's and Honda's were on NEW models... granted that shouldn't be an excuse... but the Domestic market has had trouble with models that have been around many years... ie the ford explorer.

I will conceed that Toyota doesn't over engeneer their vehicles like they used to... (my 87 had 1 ton rated axles and a fully boxed frame) but having test driven quite a few domestics when my motor blew before moving down here... I still say Toyota and Honda may be loosing ground... but they're still leaps and bounds ahead in quality. Reliability that's still track record... and as far as I've seen... the Domestics still trail



Summer of 08 Honda had a recall on the Accord (IIRC) something about the wheels falling off?
I know the Camry had a rather major recall as well, but can't remember what on.
Wouldn't consider either of those models "new" Been around the block a time or two.
I remember these as they were direct competitors to the Saturn Aura when it was making it's run to the top.

And ebbs, quit lying... you don't bust your ass on anything. shit, you drop a pencil and you make some random SrA pick it up for you

[Mr Lefty]

Summer of 08 Honda had a recall on the Accord (IIRC) something about the wheels falling off?
I know the Camry had a rather major recall as well, but can't remember what on.
Wouldn't consider either of those models "new" Been around the block a time or two.
I remember these as they were direct competitors to the Saturn Aura when it was making it's run to the top.

And ebbs, quit lying... you don't bust your ass on anything. shit, you drop a pencil and you make some random SrA pick it up for you

don't know about either recalls... and to be completely honest... I don't pay much attention to recalls period other than to check MY vehicles.

Toyota has had recalls on A LOT of their vehicles... shit look at my 87 toyota pickup... probably had 15 or so recalls... yet they still have the rep for a reason...

don't confuse what I'm saying... Recalls to me... aren't nessessaraly a bad thing... inconvenience yes... but I understand you can't get it right every time...

OUT SIDE of recalls is what I'm talking about... the ford explorer is SHIT. has been for years... did you know Uhaul will not rent a trailer to be towed by a Ford Explorer? that is THE ONLY vehicle that you can put a hitch on that they will not rent to... weird huh... (don't know why though)

it's all preference... and I'll stay Import thankyou.


oh... and sorry... no SRA here... they're all Non prior service with less than a year in... so Airman First Class :lol:

[Cutty72]

don't know about either recalls... and to be completely honest... I don't pay much attention to recalls period other than to check MY vehicles.

Toyota has had recalls on A LOT of their vehicles... shit look at my 87 toyota pickup... probably had 15 or so recalls... yet they still have the rep for a reason...

don't confuse what I'm saying... Recalls to me... aren't nessessaraly a bad thing... inconvenience yes... but I understand you can't get it right every time...

OUT SIDE of recalls is what I'm talking about... the ford explorer is SHIT. has been for years... did you know Uhaul will not rent a trailer to be towed by a Ford Explorer? that is THE ONLY vehicle that you can put a hitch on that they will not rent to... weird huh... (don't know why though)

it's all preference... and I'll stay Import thankyou.


oh... and sorry... no SRA here... they're all Non prior service with less than a year in... so Airman First Class :lol:

Sorry... I couldn't remember what you called your lil pee on ranks. Lowest I've worked with during the flood is a SRA.
As for the explorer... idk, I had one. It was pretty good till I froze up the PCV valve and blew the oil out. :idk: And I still believe that the whole tire/explorer issue was 85% driver error 15% tire fault
but im' pretty sure I've seen uhaul trailers behind them too... so maybe its a locality thing?
And the only reason I knew of those recalls is cause of my position at the dealership, we got press releases on 'em to help "up" the saturn line.
Recalls in general don't bother me, hell the 1125 has had it's share, but wheels falling off? that's a bit much.

[Mr Lefty]

Sorry... I couldn't remember what you called your lil pee on ranks. Lowest I've worked with during the flood is a SRA.
As for the explorer... idk, I had one. It was pretty good till I froze up the PCV valve and blew the oil out. :idk: And I still believe that the whole tire/explorer issue was 85% driver error 15% tire fault
but im' pretty sure I've seen uhaul trailers behind them too... so maybe its a locality thing?
And the only reason I knew of those recalls is cause of my position at the dealership, we got press releases on 'em to help "up" the saturn line.
Recalls in general don't bother me, hell the 1125 has had it's share, but wheels falling off? that's a bit much.
naw I've seen uhauls behind them too... but if you check with uhaul... they will not rent a trailer to be towed behind one... that is if the hs senior behind the counter is doing his/her job... it was on my trailer contract both when I rented one in AK for the drive down and when I rented one in TN to bring my bike home :idk: I'm sure they're fine for the most part to pull a fuck'n trailer... but just weird they'd say that...

how about gas tanks exploding in collisions? like I said... recalls are one thing... the domestics have issues outside recalls...