Dear Hoa's

[Tmall]

Choke on a bag of dicks. This is what you get for trying to tell people how to live.

Seems they're running out of money, because when times get hard, people don't believe in paying a self imposed stupid tax. I don't even feel bad for those forced to foreclose because they couldn't make up the fees that the original forclosees (word?) didn't pay.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/article1001646.ece

Homeowner associations, the de facto local government in much of Florida, are getting desperate.

Assessment payments are as low as 50 percent in some communities, causing some board members to consider measures that might include publicly shaming those who are delinquent.

"When I tell you it is an unadulterated nightmare out there, I mean it," said Harry Burnard, who owns Qualified Property Management in New Port Richey, plus a side business that fronts the dues and collects the debts.

The problem exists nationwide, most notably in communities built during the boom years.

"I haven't seen bake sales yet or carwashes," said association attorney Robert Tankel of Dunedin. "But I have suggested that people who don't pay need to consider doing that. Sell their flat-screen TVs."

Things are so bad that the Southpointe condominium association in Orlando sent a letter to all of its members, listing units with unpaid dues.

"I thought I'd be getting a lot more rotten eggs," said Malcolm Galvin, an attorney for the association. "I was kind of amazed that most of the feedback was favorable to the association."

The urge to shame

Most area attorneys are advising their boards against any kind of public humiliation. "The nature of communities anymore is that nobody knows their neighbors anyway," Tankel said.

But it's been suggested at a lot of homeowner meetings.

IKare community newsletter publisher Karen Uhlig, when asked if she would have a problem with such a practice, said, "Personally, not at all. But professionally, I'd have to check for legal advice."

One of her clients, the Nassau Pointe townhome section of New Tampa's Heritage Isles, could be among the first to publicize delinquent accounts.

"We've been tossing the idea around," said board member Barbara Adams. "We don't want to do it, but we're just having little choice when they ignore us."

About 30 percent of her neighbors are not paying the $228 monthly fee. "In our community, it covers cable and water," she said. Dues also pay to landscape the grounds and repair the roof.

Uhlig, who serves on two boards in her own Wesley Chapel community, knows associations that are filing liens over very small amounts. Tankel advocates suing quickly instead of waiting for banks to foreclose, essentially beating them to the courthouse steps.

Some boards have members literally knocking on doors, a practice attorneys discourage.

"You never know when you are going to meet Mister Doberman, or Mister 9-millimeter," Tankel said.

There is a case on appeal where an association sued a man who invited the president up to the roof for a frank discussion about issues related to his condo, and was going to throw him off the roof, Tankel added.

Tampa real estate attorney Court Terrell agreed.

"What you tend to be met with is a very angry resident," he said. "People are strapped financially and under a lot of stress."

Not surprisingly, lawyers advise boards to use the legal process, beginning with a series of warning letters. At least half of the time, members pay up when they realize that the association could ultimately seize their home over a debt of $300 or $400.

"You can give up one Starbucks a week and pay that," Tankel said.

But some associations can scarcely afford to pay the attorney.

That's why Burnard says his Forclosure Solutions, which makes its profit from late fees and interest, is in great demand. "I have been approached by association after association after association," he said.

The impact varies

Just what the dues pay for varies among communities, as do the amounts and the impact when they go unpaid.

Uhlig's Barrington neighborhood, in Northwood, uses dues largely for landscaping. She pays $69.96 per month. It used to be $60.96, but the board had to raise the amount to make up for those who didn't pay.

Terrell has heard of lists posted in condominium lobbies.

"There are a lot of boards that have the urge, and rightfully so, quite honestly," he said. "If everybody else is paying and these people are still getting a lot of benefits, there is an urge for folks to say, 'Here are our bad actors.' They are riding the coattails, leeching off everyone else."

Complex 'imploded'

Even small debts can add up.

Southpointe, the Orlando complex, faced a deficit of $90,000 and the prospect of a special assessment when it sent out the list of delinquents, Galvin said.

In New Port Richey, things got so bad at the 32-unit Glen Crest condominiums that pretty soon no one could afford the dues, said Burnard, whose firm managed the place. "It just imploded on itself," he said.

Part of the problem was a block of absentee owners who bailed when housing values fell. One by one, the condos went into foreclosure and the residents moved out. Today the complex stands weed-strewn and empty, with boards on some of the windows.

While the Glen Crest situation is extreme, managers and lawyers worry that basic services in many communities will suffer as owners neglect their obligations.

"The community association operations are really the privatization of local government," Tankel said. "Government is getting out of the business of government."

Stepping into that role, he said, are volunteers who are elected by their neighbors.

"They have no salary and they have to do what's necessary to maintain the financial integrity in their communities," Tankel said. "And no one's bailing them out."

Marlene Sokol can be reached at (813) 269-5307 or sokol@sptimes.com.

[shmike]

HOA's have a place in this world.

The places referenced in the article were condo or townhome communities. That means that the HOA does more than tell you your dog can't shit on the grass.

The HOA keeps the grounds landscaped, pays the water and cable bills, keeps the pool clean, fixes or repairs anything on the outside of the buildings.

Oh yeah, the HOA also pays insurance on the buildings and fixes the roofs which is rather helpful in hurricane prone Florida.

I'm not a fan of HOA's but as part-owner of multiple condo's, the dick-eaters are the fucktards refusing to pay their bills.

You sign on the dotted line, you pay as agreed. Not an overly novel concept. :idk:

[Particle Man]

Hey, if someone wants to be in one of those high end communities, that's the price.

Not my cup of tea, personally, but whatever floats your boat.

[wildchild]

my dad manages one of the higher end HOA's. If you miss your dues or fees the first time, they put a lien against your unit. Next time they force you to sell. it all comes down to, if you don't like the rules don't play the game. They've only forced one sale in 15 years so it's not bad for him, although his units are in the upper 2% of incomes. people love the "perks" of living there but hate to pay for it. I can't even park my truck there unless I park with the service guys. No trucks allowed in the lot. No bikes either.

[Particle Man]

If you miss your dues or fees the first time, they put a lien against your unit

OUCH :tremble:



:lol:

[Rider]

I like my HOA. They have reasonable rules and it keeps the fucktards from doing anything remotely red neck in nature.

[the chi]

Let's not forget, its usually those WITH money that refuse to pay their bills and taxes, etc...so this doesnt surprise me.

If you choose to live in a place with an HOA and fees, its your responsibility so long as the HOA is holding up its end to pay the fees.

They could have a shitty one like I do, who expect us to pay, but refuse to keep the yards mowed, the outside of the units clean or any other required duties, etc. Instead of punishing those who dont pay, they punish everyone who lives here, because you KNOW the vacant units get mowed properly.

[MissHell]

I like my HOA. They have reasonable rules and it keeps the fucktards from doing anything remotely red neck in nature.

Same here. :yes: I like living in a condo/townhouse community w/rules. Knock wood, so far it's not been an issue for me.

[z06boy]

I like my HOA. They have reasonable rules and it keeps the fucktards from doing anything remotely red neck in nature.

Same here. I live in a culdesac and for some reason they don't like this...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/youwish2bme/DSCN4261.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/youwish2bme/donuts.jpg


Ok...not my culdesac or my tracks...just messin'.:lol

[goof2]

One of her clients, the Nassau Pointe townhome section of New Tampa's Heritage Isles, could be among the first to publicize delinquent accounts.

"We've been tossing the idea around," said board member Barbara Adams. "We don't want to do it, but we're just having little choice when they ignore us."

About 30 percent of her neighbors are not paying the $228 monthly fee. "In our community, it covers cable and water," she said. Dues also pay to landscape the grounds and repair the roof.

I am pretty farmiliar with this neighborhood and it isn't just the townhomes they are having problems with. The neighborhood was built durring the bubble with many homes being sold right at the peak. There is a nice selection of homes that originally sold for over $400k that currently can't be sold for under $200k. Since most of the original buyers didn't have to put much, if any, money down. Without any financial incentive to stay in the house they are deciding to walk. If they are willing to give a big middle finger to their mortgage company what is an HOA going to do to them?

[101lifts2]

Choke on a bag of dicks. This is what you get for trying to tell people how to live.

Seems they're running out of money, because when times get hard, people don't believe in paying a self imposed stupid tax. I don't even feel bad for those forced to foreclose because they couldn't make up the fees that the original forclosees (word?) didn't pay......

Did you actually read the article? Its not about telling people how to live. Its about the people not paying the dues and leeching free services.

I pay 240 a month for my association dues, but water, trash, lawn, pool care, roofs, insurance, driveway, gate maintenance is all paid. Its actually quite worth it to me because then on the weekends I can go ride and only worry about upkeeping the inside.

[Rider]

Same here. I live in a culdesac and for some reason they don't like this...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/youwish2bme/DSCN4261.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/youwish2bme/donuts.jpg


Ok...not my culdesac or my tracks...just messin'.:lol

I was going to say.. You felt like blowing though a grand in tires in 30 seconds? :lol:

[Particle Man]

I was going to say.. You felt like blowing though a grand in tires in 30 seconds? :lol:

I was wondering :lol:

[Amorok]

I have an HOA. They've done nothing for me but some dude recently got elected (I didn't vote, nor was I asked to) and decided to come have a talk with me. He was warned never to come back on my property. Not in a mean way...I didn't sign anything to be a member of a HOA nor do I pay dues. Stop bitching about me parking in MY driveway.

[Trip]

We have had this debate already, the HOA people want to be snobby asshats and tell people what they can do on the property and then say "well you paid to live in this area" and the nonHOA people just agree that they are asshats. End of thread.

[Banana Hammock]

We have had this debate already, the HOA people want to be snobby asshats and tell people what they can do on the property and then say "well you paid to live in this area" and the nonHOA people just agree that they are asshats. End of thread.

I like ass hats, especially the ones that are ribbed for my pleasure

[Smittie61984]

My neighborhood doesn't have a HOA. It works pretty well. Everyone mows their grass, keeps bushes trimmed, and people voluntarily maintain the nighborhood entrance sign. No need for a HOA we just do it. Spontaneous organization FTW!!!

Plus no one gets pissy if a dog is running around without a leash, or upset with the kid who made a little ATV trail next to his house, nor do people get upset when the street is slammed full of cars from someone having a party.

Now I agree that if you agree to live in a HOA neighborhood that you have to sometimes suffer the consequences and that HOAs can have a place. But often times the only people who get on a HOA are bored jobless housewives who suddenly have power and just fall in love with it the same way our politicians do. Then they get rediculious.

[z06boy]

I was going to say.. You felt like blowing though a grand in tires in 30 seconds? :lol:

:lol: No kidding...that could get expensive really quick.

[bmblebee]

We have a small HOA and it leaves people alone, unless you are messing up. The Association has a board, which is usually the people who do most of the work and a president, who is the guy with the tractor and does the most work...we live on a dirt road. Our dues are about 10 bucks a month plus 10 gallons of diesel per year per member for the tractor. We did have a special assessment in February of 20 bucks per "lot" to buy a new tire for the tractor...

We meet once a quarter, usually a "work day" and set up in a different yard and have the grill and tables set up under the pop ups and make a social event out of it. Of course, no member has any problem telling another member about any issues, and No money can be spent without a 2/3 vote of the total membership. It works for us

[Amber Lamps]

I agree that for the most part the HOAs are sol in this instance as most of these people are probably in foreclosure and couln't give a fuck less what the HOA has to say. The mortgage companies give deadbeats 6 months to a year to get out so..... :idk:

[shmike]

My neighborhood doesn't have a HOA. It works pretty well. Everyone mows their grass, keeps bushes trimmed, and people voluntarily maintain the nighborhood entrance sign. No need for a HOA we just do it. Spontaneous organization FTW!!!

Plus no one gets pissy if a dog is running around without a leash, or upset with the kid who made a little ATV trail next to his house, nor do people get upset when the street is slammed full of cars from someone having a party.


We have a small HOA and it leaves people alone, unless you are messing up. The Association has a board, which is usually the people who do most of the work and a president, who is the guy with the tractor and does the most work...we live on a dirt road. Our dues are about 10 bucks a month plus 10 gallons of diesel per year per member for the tractor. We did have a special assessment in February of 20 bucks per "lot" to buy a new tire for the tractor...

We meet once a quarter, usually a "work day" and set up in a different yard and have the grill and tables set up under the pop ups and make a social event out of it. Of course, no member has any problem telling another member about any issues, and No money can be spent without a 2/3 vote of the total membership. It works for us

These are what I consider a great neighborhood.

People know their neighbor.
They keep their shit in order because that's what people do not because the HONazi's tell them to.
If there is a problem, neighbors discuss it over a beer, not an attorney's desk.

I wish neighborhoods like this weren't so rare anymore. :idk:

[Rider]

These are what I consider a great neighborhood.

People know their neighbor.
They keep their shit in order because that's what people do not because the HONazi's tell them to.
If there is a problem, neighbors discuss it over a beer, not an attorney's desk.

I wish neighborhoods like this weren't so rare anymore. :idk:

That's the kind of neighborhood I live we, We all get together once a month for a huge drinking party. It's like college all over again. Doctors and lawyers doing beer bongs at 40 years old. :rockwoot:

[RACER X]

my neighbor and i went yard vigilante on the house across the street........hadn't been mowed in 3-4 weeks ( i have to mow 1x a week) hadn't been edged in 5-6 months

the peeps bought the house 2.5yrs ago. never really lived in it nor took care of teh outside (remember it's a $250k house)

moved in 4-5 mos ago finally living in it

women folk moved out (4) after 1-2mos ( i think dude hit the wife)

dude comes maybe 1x a week

weird situation

and we get HOA letters cuz we left aprils play table outside......grrrr

[shmike]

the peeps bought the house 2.5yrs ago. never really lived in it nor took care of teh outside (remember it's a $250k house)


I remember.

Now tell me, what does that mean? :scratch:

[RACER X]

they never lived in it. they owned another house in town. so they basically used it for storage. they came once in a while, would mill around and leave.

he would bring the mower over ever few months and mow.

they left the back windows open at 1 time and it rained so they had to replace carpet.

they remodeled some stuff even though it was nicely appointed.

she was a nurse anesethologist (asian) so she made bank, dude (whitey) said he was a pro tennis coach but i doubt w/ the physique he had.

she was pretty normal but prolly very asian and he wasn't right.......

[the chi]

What the heck difference does their nationality or race make?
:scratch: Irresponsibility of property owners has nothing to do with the make or model of the people...its an all shapes and sizes thing.

[shmike]

he wasn't right.......

:lol

[MissHell]

... we get HOA letters cuz we left aprils play table outside......grrrr

:confused: That sucks.

[RACER X]

we have rules that we can't keep up those portable basketball goals up, so i guess it's similar.

we do our best to keep the yard/house nice and take pride in it, as i would think any homeowner

sad that we have to have HOA's. sometimes we wish they had more power sometimes less.

[LeeNetworX]

These are what I consider a great neighborhood.

People know their neighbor.
They keep their shit in order because that's what people do not because the HONazi's tell them to.
If there is a problem, neighbors discuss it over a beer, not an attorney's desk.

I wish neighborhoods like this weren't so rare anymore. :idk:

We live in a great neighborhood up here. We have an HOA, but most people address any issues with each other directly. I've not heard of anyone getting a notice from the HOA, etc. Someone usually has a big party every now and then, or we'll do a cul de sac party in front of our house, etc. Organized poker nights for the guys happen every so often.

One guy I've ridden with a couple of times invited everyone in the neighborhood to his house for a 40th birthday party for his wife - he had live music, 2 kegs, everyone brought food and drinks, etc. Must have been 150+ people there. It was pretty cool, even when people started singing kareoke LOL. On Friday or Saturday nights, it's not uncommon to walk the dogs and come across an impromptu gathering in someone's driveway.

Everyone is friendly with each other, everyone watches out for one another, keeps an eye on their place if they are away on vacation, etc. I know about 1/2 of the people in our neighborhood on a first name basis. I've never lived in a place like before. It's awesome. It's a shame most can't be like this.

[bmblebee]

we have rules that we can't keep up those portable basketball goals up, so i guess it's similar.

we do our best to keep the yard/house nice and take pride in it, as i would think any homeowner

sad that we have to have HOA's. sometimes we wish they had more power sometimes less.

We looked at a home that had an HOA that provided a copy of the bylaws to prospective buyers. They had so many rules we felt like we would be making a mortgage payment to buy something they might allow us to live in.

I live out in the woods where I only have to mow down the weeds and ivy in my yard about 3 times per year...

you couldn't have your garage door open more than 10 minutes at any time, you had to have any paint or landscaping approved, you couldn't leave a car in the drive overnight and you couldn't park a truck or bike outside anytime...and they wanted us to pay them 200 a month to tell us what we couldn't do on our property...That's the kind of neighbors and neighborhood I want

[the chi]

We live in a great neighborhood up here. We have an HOA, but most people address any issues with each other directly. I've not heard of anyone getting a notice from the HOA, etc. Someone usually has a big party every now and then, or we'll do a cul de sac party in front of our house, etc. Organized poker nights for the guys happen every so often.

One guy I've ridden with a couple of times invited everyone in the neighborhood to his house for a 40th birthday party for his wife - he had live music, 2 kegs, everyone brought food and drinks, etc. Must have been 150+ people there. It was pretty cool, even when people started singing kareoke LOL. On Friday or Saturday nights, it's not uncommon to walk the dogs and come across an impromptu gathering in someone's driveway.

Everyone is friendly with each other, everyone watches out for one another, keeps an eye on their place if they are away on vacation, etc. I know about 1/2 of the people in our neighborhood on a first name basis. I've never lived in a place like before. It's awesome. It's a shame most can't be like this.

*GASP* You mean it's okay to talk to the neighbors, hang out with them and even maybe wave as we walk by?

:lol: Im kidding. Ive had a few neighborhoods where we had the awesome comraderie, we all looked out for each other and liked each other...but these days its almost as if you arent supposed to talk, wave, or even acknowledge them...

[shmike]

I'm back.

My neighborhood is better than yours.

S. Fla sucks, N. Ga pwns.

Welcome back, buddy! :bm:








:lol:

[LeeNetworX]

Welcome back, buddy! :bm:








:lol:


:lol

[Rider]

We looked at a home that had an HOA that provided a copy of the bylaws to prospective buyers. They had so many rules we felt like we would be making a mortgage payment to buy something they might allow us to live in.

I live out in the woods where I only have to mow down the weeds and ivy in my yard about 3 times per year...

you couldn't have your garage door open more than 10 minutes at any time, you had to have any paint or landscaping approved, you couldn't leave a car in the drive overnight and you couldn't park a truck or bike outside anytime...and they wanted us to pay them 200 a month to tell us what we couldn't do on our property...That's the kind of neighbors and neighborhood I want

Unfortunately those rules exist for a reason. Many people are slobs and if their garage is fucked up beyond belief with stacks shit all over, I don't want to look at it so keep your garage door closed. I would be willing to bet that if your garage was nice and tidy, you could leave the door open all day and you wont hear a single complaint. Paint and landscaping? yeah, have you seen what people do to their houses and yards? I don't want to look at that shit and I certainly don't want people like that bringing down the property values. HOA rules are being pro active and are enforcing them to keep the douchebagery at bay. If you use a little common sense, HOA's will let you bend the rules if what you are doing is reasonable. I can plant anything in my yard that I want and I don't need HOA approval because I have the nicest looking yard in the neighborhood. I proved myself already. Everyone else needs approval. For the most part we don't have to worry about it though because when you reach a certain housing price point, the asshats with poor taste generally can't afford the neighborhood. We have lots of rules in our HOA but if you use a little common sense and respect for your neighbors, then you will never have a problem.

[Trip]

Unfortunately those rules exist for a reason. Many people are slobs and if their garage is fucked up beyond belief with stacks shit all over, I don't want to look at it so keep your garage door closed. I would be willing to bet that if your garage was nice and tidy, you could leave the door open all day and you wont hear a single complaint. Paint and landscaping? yeah, have you seen what people do to their houses and yards? I don't want to look at that shit and I certainly don't want people like that bringing down the property values. HOA rules are being pro active and are enforcing them to keep the douchebagery at bay. If you use a little common sense, HOA's will let you bend the rules if what you are doing is reasonable. I can plant anything in my yard that I want and I don't need HOA approval because I have the nicest looking yard in the neighborhood. I proved myself already. Everyone else needs approval. For the most part we don't have to worry about it though because when you reach a certain housing price point, the asshats with poor taste generally can't afford the neighborhood. We have lots of rules in our HOA but if you use a little common sense and respect for your neighbors, then you will never have a problem.

Wow, can you feel the snobbery from this post. The whole "everyone else needs approval" horseshit. Sorry rider, you just proved you don't live in one of those subdivisions mentioned above that you think you live in. Hell you sound like you are one of those types that will mail letters to people for keeping their garage door open for too long or having too many cars outside when you want to have a party.

[Particle Man]

Wow, can you feel the snobbery from this post. The whole "everyone else needs approval" horseshit. Sorry rider, you just proved you don't live in one of those subdivisions mentioned above that you think you live in. Hell you sound like you are one of those types that will mail letters to people for keeping their garage door open for too long or having too many cars outside when you want to have a party.

I was gonna clean the garage tonight. I think I'll leave the doors open and shit all over the place now :lol:

[Trip]

I was gonna clean the garage tonight. I think I'll leave the doors open and shit all over the place now :lol:

I already do that. :lol:

[RACER X]

For the most part we don't have to worry about it though because when you reach a certain housing price point, the asshats with poor taste generally can't afford the neighborhood.

my parents would put your generality to shame...........lol

they are the low brow in a $300k + neighborhood (w/ some houses going for over $1mil). they are the one's w/ the mediocre yard and shat everywhere in the garage. but then again they paid off the house in 3-4yrs, and the neighborhood has like a 25% foreclosure rate for houses sold.

[Rider]

Wow, can you feel the snobbery from this post. The whole "everyone else needs approval" horseshit. Sorry rider, you just proved you don't live in one of those subdivisions mentioned above that you think you live in. Hell you sound like you are one of those types that will mail letters to people for keeping their garage door open for too long or having too many cars outside when you want to have a party.

Nope I honesty don't care about people leaving garage doors open in my neighborhood. We don't have any such rule about it but we don't need it because the garages look good. Nobody in out neighborhood needs to mail letters to anyone. We could do away with the HOA because everyone is respectful. We keep the HOA because you never know who might move into your neighborhood. Were not snobs at all. We just have a financial interest in keeping our houses looking nice. Someone could drive a Hyundai and because they keep it in showroom condition means they are a snob? Then neither are we. I want my house to look nice and part of it looking nice it that the neighbors keep their house looking nice. If you drove a brand new car would you park it between 2 nice looking newer well kept cars or between 2 piles of rusted out shit boxes? If you say the newer cars then that makes you a snob just the same.

[Rider]

my parents would put your generality to shame...........lol

they are the low brow in a $300k + neighborhood (w/ some houses going for over $1mil). they are the one's w/ the mediocre yard and shat everywhere in the garage. but then again they paid off the house in 3-4yrs, and the neighborhood has like a 25% foreclosure rate for houses sold.

We don't have that kind of range. We are all generally in the 3-400K range. There are neighborhoods with that kind of diversity but those generally don't have HOA's.

[Trip]

my parents would put your generality to shame...........lol

they are the low brow in a $300k + neighborhood (w/ some houses going for over $1mil). they are the one's w/ the mediocre yard and shat everywhere in the garage. but then again they paid off the house in 3-4yrs, and the neighborhood has like a 25% foreclosure rate for houses sold.

No kidding, I hate these "keep up with the jones'" douchebags. They are the reason we are in this housing mess to begin with. You have to buy a fancy house in a fucked up HOA and out run your means. Let's see, you successfully collapsed the market and fucked up the property value for everyone even more than someone's messy garage ever will.

[Trip]

Nope I honesty don't care about people leaving garage doors open in my neighborhood. We don't have any such rule about it but we don't need it because the garages look good. Nobody in out neighborhood needs to mail letters to anyone. We could do away with the HOA because everyone is respectful. We keep the HOA because you never know who might move into your neighborhood. Were not snobs at all. We just have a financial interest in keeping our houses looking nice. Someone could drive a Hyundai and because they keep it in showroom condition means they are a snob? Then neither are we. I want my house to look nice and part of it looking nice it that the neighbors keep their house looking nice. If you drove a brand new car would you park it between 2 nice looking newer well kept cars or between 2 piles of rusted out shit boxes? If you say the newer cars then that makes you a snob just the same.

Dude the fact that you have to state that you have the "nicest yard in the neighborhood" and think cars outside a garage are ghetto are two very very big indicators in your snobbery.

As for your example, you haven't seen my war battered civic. I will park it next to anything and hope it gets crushed. I got insurance.

[Rider]

Dude the fact that you have to state that you have the "nicest yard in the neighborhood" and think cars outside a garage are ghetto are two very very big indicators in your snobbery.

As for your example, you haven't seen my war battered civic. I will park it next to anything and hope it gets crushed. I got insurance.

My point is that if you buy something nice, no matter what is costs, you want to keep it looking nice. It doesn't make me a snob it just means I like to keep my stuff looking nice. I drive a 12 yo car but you know, it's kept up. I don't need the newest latest vehicle. I don't have a cell phone and just finally got an Ipod this year. I don't try to keep up with the Jones, I just take care of the shit I have.

[Trip]

My point is that if you buy something nice, no matter what is costs, you want to keep it looking nice. It doesn't make me a snob it just means I like to keep my stuff looking nice. I drive a 12 yo car but you know, it's kept up. I don't need the newest latest vehicle. I don't have a cell phone and just finally got an Ipod this year. I don't try to keep up with the Jones, I just take care of the shit I have.

Someone having a car in their driveway is not your stuff. The house down the street is not your stuff. Projecting your standard is a different story than maintaining your things to your standard.

[Fleck750]

We live in a great neighborhood up here. We have an HOA, but most people address any issues with each other directly. I've not heard of anyone getting a notice from the HOA, etc. Someone usually has a big party every now and then, or we'll do a cul de sac party in front of our house, etc. Organized poker nights for the guys happen every so often.

One guy I've ridden with a couple of times invited everyone in the neighborhood to his house for a 40th birthday party for his wife - he had live music, 2 kegs, everyone brought food and drinks, etc. Must have been 150+ people there. It was pretty cool, even when people started singing kareoke LOL. On Friday or Saturday nights, it's not uncommon to walk the dogs and come across an impromptu gathering in someone's driveway.

Everyone is friendly with each other, everyone watches out for one another, keeps an eye on their place if they are away on vacation, etc. I know about 1/2 of the people in our neighborhood on a first name basis. I've never lived in a place like before. It's awesome. It's a shame most can't be like this.


That's what I grew up with. 7 houses in a court. All families moved in within 3 years of each other. 5 out of seven still live there, all widows in their 80's.

I thought it was normal to have parties with your neighbors in the summers, and rarely knock on a door to go inside to play with your friends.

[Rider]

Someone having a car in their driveway is not your stuff. The house down the street is not your stuff. Projecting your standard is a different story than maintaining your things to your standard.

I'm not projecting MY standard. People who move intro our neighborhood do it willingly. No one is forced to buy a home there. So we are all like minded and want to look after our investment. I don't try to enforce my rules on anyone who doesn't live in my neighborhood. It's their house and they can do what they want with it.

You don't have to live in a trailer to be trailer trash. We are just keeping those types of people out. A home is a huge investment and I expect my home to raise in value not go down because someone feels it necessary to paint their house pink or have 5 rusted out shit boxes on blocks in some manner of disrepair on their driveway. I guarantee you if you had a neighbor who let his house go to shit and it affected the value of your house, you'd be pissed.

[Trip]

I'm not projecting MY standard. People who move intro our neighborhood do it willingly. No one is forced to buy a home there. So we are all like minded and want to look after our investment. I don't try to enforce my rules on anyone who doesn't live in my neighborhood. It's their house and they can do what they want with it.

You don't have to live in a trailer to be trailer trash. We are just keeping those types of people out. A home is a huge investment and I expect my home to raise in value not go down because someone feels it necessary to paint their house pink or have 5 rusted out shit boxes on blocks in some manner of disrepair on their driveway. I guarantee you if you had a neighbor who let his house go to shit and it affected the value of your house, you'd be pissed.

lolz, do you even read what you type before you type it? You aren't projecting your standard on others, but you expect people in your neighborhood to be up to your standard. That would be projecting. Saying a car sitting in the driveway is ghetto is also projecting your standards. :lol: You are a snob, just admit it.

Actually I wouldn't give a damn, I would rather live out in the country in a cheap double wide with my neighbors firing guns randomly and rusted cars in the yard. That wouldn't bother me in the slightest. I have lived there before. Only reason I live where I do is because of my wife. She's a snob too.

[Trip]

Back to the original topic, I think it's hilarious that this is happening. I hope more homeowners refuse to pay and pull guns on these people. We are suppose to live in the land of freedom and we should defend our property.

[Particle Man]

Only reason I live where I do is because of my wife. She's a snob too.

:lol:

[shmike]

Back to the original topic, I think it's hilarious that this is happening. I hope more homeowners refuse to pay and pull guns on these people. We are suppose to live in the land of freedom and we should defend our property.

:lol

[Rider]

lolz, do you even read what you type before you type it? You aren't projecting your standard on others, but you expect people in your neighborhood to be up to your standard. That would be projecting. Saying a car sitting in the driveway is ghetto is also projecting your standards. :lol: You are a snob, just admit it.

Actually I wouldn't give a damn, I would rather live out in the country in a cheap double wide with my neighbors firing guns randomly and rusted cars in the yard. That wouldn't bother me in the slightest. I have lived there before. Only reason I live where I do is because of my wife. She's a snob too.

If wanting to protect my investment is your definition of being a snob, then yes you're 100% correct I am a snob. People who move into HOA neighborhoods do so willingly.

I will admit this, as soon as my kids move out of my house, I'm moving out in the country to a place where I can't see ANY of my neighbors.

[Trip]

If wanting to protect my investment is your definition of being a snob, then yes you're 100% correct I am a snob. People who move into HOA neighborhoods do so willingly.

I will admit this, as soon as my kids move out of my house, I'm moving out in the country to a place where I can't see ANY of my neighbors.

telling someone they have to keep the yard kept, is protecting your investment; forcing someone to go through an approval process to plant a flower is snobbish.

[Rider]

telling someone they have to keep the yard kept, is protecting your investment; forcing someone to go through an approval process to plant a flower is snobbish.

That's your opinion. I know many people who simply think it's smart. If everyone had your attitude then HOA's wouldn't exist now would they?

[Particle Man]

That's your opinion. I know many people who simply think it's smart. If everyone had your attitude then HOA's wouldn't exist now would they?

and there'd be flowers everywhere :lol:

[shmike]

and there'd be weeds everywhere :lol:

Fixed. :read:

[Rider]

and there'd be flowers everywhere :lol:

Exactly. :lol:


If everyone had trips attitude, then no one would WANT HOA's. On the other hand, if everyone had my attitude then there would be no NEED for HOA's. I think it works out. If you don't like having to live with rules .. then don't live there.. no big deal.

[Particle Man]

and there'd be weed everywhere and Dorito crumbs on the lawn :lol:

Fixed. :read:

Double fixed redflip

[Trip]

Exactly. :lol:


If everyone had trips attitude, then no one would WANT HOA's. On the other hand, if everyone had my attitude then there would be no NEED for HOA's. I think it works out. If you don't like having to live with rules .. then don't live there.. no big deal.

I'm sorry, I thought this was the USA and we didn't tolerate this sort of bullshit. It's funny how one second we are for freedom and the next we are stripping it away on our own.

[Trip]

That's your opinion. I know many people who simply think it's smart. If everyone had your attitude then HOA's wouldn't exist now would they?

No, that's pretty much true. You know it. Telling people what sort of flowers they can plant is well beyond normal keeping it nice procedure.

[Sixxxxer]

Keep On Preaching Dude...

[Rider]

No, that's pretty much true. You know it. Telling people what sort of flowers they can plant is well beyond normal keeping it nice procedure.

Flowers is an exaggeration, at least in my neighborhood it is. You can plant flowers and small plants anywhere you like. It's the trees and very large shrubs that need approval. They don't give a shit as to what it is that's being planted, it's the location. They just don't want large plants intruding on to other peoples property. Some evergreen trees get 20-30 feet wide, it you plant that shit right on the property line, your tree is going to protrude into your neighbors yard by 10-15 feet. That's 10-15 of less usable yard. All they ask is to use common sense when landscaping.

[Particle Man]

It's the trees and very large shrubs that need approval.
Ni!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D4Ud8-jric

[Rider]

YT is blocked.

[Trip]

Flowers is an exaggeration, at least in my neighborhood it is. You can plant flowers and small plants anywhere you like. It's the trees and very large shrubs that need approval. They don't give a shit as to what it is that's being planted, it's the location. They just don't want large plants intruding on to other peoples property. Some evergreen trees get 20-30 feet wide, it you plant that shit right on the property line, your tree is going to protrude into your neighbors yard by 10-15 feet. That's 10-15 of less usable yard. All they ask is to use common sense when landscaping.

That's when you get a chainsaw and cut the part that is on your side out. Make it fall on their house.

[Rider]

That's when you get a chainsaw and cut the part that is on your side out. Make it fall on their house.

I agree with that, they just want to avoid conflict and make it a "happy place". :blah: That's the one thing I hate about HOA's. Why do I need to be friendly? Fuck them, I can handle things in my own manner. A little plant poison here, and little rat poison there for their dog that shits in my yard... I could go in but I'm sure you'd agree with me.

[Trip]

I agree with that, they just want to avoid conflict and make it a "happy place". :blah: That's the one thing I hate about HOA's. Why do I need to be friendly? Fuck them, I can handle things in my own manner. A little plant poison here, and little rat poison there for their dog that shits in my yard... I could go in but I'm sure you'd agree with me there.

Yeah I am much more in agreement with justice on my own terms than I am about going to a board of snobby soccer moms.

[Smittie61984]

When I moved pool tables I had an HOA/security fucking ticket us for parking in a cul-de-sac. I sat the shit on fire in front of the security guy and did an indian dance around the fucker. The home owner laughed his ass off and gave each of us a $100 tip. He hated his HOA but he had more money than God so the neighborhood sucked his and his wife's asshole. He was some surgeon and she was the daughter of some Dupont type business owner (And smoking fine).

Though I don't have an official HOA this probably is a good representation of what my HOA would look like if we had one...
http://www.strangedangers.com/images/content/110683.jpg

[Tmall]

I'm sorry, I thought this was the USA and we didn't tolerate this sort of bullshit. It's funny how one second we are for freedom and the next we are stripping it away on our own.

No kidding! You have federal, state, county and city government. Now some jack asses want neighbourhood government too.

Its ridiculous.

[bmblebee]

The biggest irony and flaw in most HOA arguments are that people are too stupid to take care of their own affairs and need to watched and regulated...by a board of the same people too stupid to manage their own affairs...

[Smittie61984]

The biggest irony and flaw in most HOA arguments are that people are too stupid to take care of their own affairs and need to watched and regulated...by a board of the same people too stupid to manage their own affairs...

Actually board members are usually made up of people who are just plain bored. Most people with any sense would never ever take charge of a HOA. Which is why they seem to usually be made up of housewives and this guy...
http://ramblingrhodes.mu.nu/archives/abe_simpson.gif

Saturday morning in my anarchist hood it sounds like Vietnam because everyone is mowing their grass. But let someone come in and say "You need to cut your grass" they'll let it grow to heights and thickness that Br'er Rabbit couldn't make it through

:boobs:

[RACER X]

The biggest irony and flaw in most HOA arguments are that people are too stupid to take care of their own affairs

welcome to reality

and need to watched and regulated...by a board of the same people too stupid to manage their own affairs...

sounds like our fed. gov't.

and i disagree w/ your point. pretty much my street keeps on top of their yards and such, except for the 1 yahoo across the street. if you have weeds 12-18 onto your sidewalk you'd think you'd figure out it needs to be edged...........he's clueless, does a neighbor really need to tell him that.

wait till one of your neighbors move and you get some slouches. and they don't listen to your "assoc". and you have cars parked in yards and chit strewn about, then you might think diff. and even then HOA hands are tied.

[z06boy]

We do have an HOA in my hood. They are pretty lax though. No you can't paint your house purple or sit a car on blocks in the front yard but for the most part you can do what you wish within reason. I actually don't mind it...if I did I wouldn't have moved there.

I did submit plans when I installed a fence around my house and when I exteded a concrete pad adjacent to my garage and then when I built a 12' x 16' out building but they quickly approved it. I've never had an issue with them. My wife plants stuff all of the time and moves small trees and plants all over the place and no one has ever even mentioned it in the 4 years we've been here.

Sounds like some HOA's that you guys describe are run by Nazi's or something...geez.

If you don't like them then just don't move into that neighborhood...it's pretty simple imho.

I've got a loudazz Vette and a loudazz R1 and never had one complaint. Having said this though...I am considerate of my neighbors and "try" to be as quiet as possible when rolling in and out of the neighborhood.

I was sitting in my backyard yesterday zeroing in a scope on my pellet rifle...shoot...adjust...shoot...adjust...shoot... adjust...no biggie.

Now I admit...I can't go out and shoot my Glock...my AR15 or my Mossberg shotgun in the yard but I think that is more of a city and state law issue than a HOA's. :lol:

[Rider]

That's funny, just yesterday my son was plinking in the backyard with is pellet gun. He popped in a couple of hollow points and got himself a couple of Robins.
No complaints from neighbors but no one lives behind me so no one saw him.

[Particle Man]

That's funny, just yesterday my son was plinking in the backyard with is pellet gun. He popped in a couple of hollow points and got himself a couple of Robins.
No complaints from neighbors but no one lives behind me so no one saw him.

I need to get some crows "taken care of" outside my house - damn things are the size of a small dog. :lol:

[Rider]

I need to get some crows "taken care of" outside my house - damn things are the size of a small dog. :lol:

Bird seed laced with rat poison equals win.

[z06boy]

That's funny, just yesterday my son was plinking in the backyard with is pellet gun. He popped in a couple of hollow points and got himself a couple of Robins.
No complaints from neighbors but no one lives behind me so no one saw him.

I don't "think" anyone saw me to be truthul but I'm sure a couple may have heard me. We have a bunch of squirrels that we'd like to thin out. I used to trap them and relocate them but accidently caught a skunk once and got out of the trapping business. :lol:

I shot one squirrel but missed several and knew I couldn't be that bad of a shot. :lol:

I bought the rifle used and "assumed" the scope was zeroed in...well it wasn't...but it is now. It's a Gamo Viper...pretty slick pellet rifle with decent power. 1000 fps with lead ammo and 1200 fps with PBA.

[Particle Man]

I used to trap them and relocate them but accidently caught a skunk once and got out of the trapping business. :lol:


:lol: THAT will seriously ruin your day

[z06boy]

:lol: THAT will seriously ruin your day

Yeah I caught a few (8) Squirrels and took them to a park on the lake and released them. I caught an Opossum and turned him loose too. :lol: I had a couple of Raccoons show up but didn't catch them...just had the dog chase them off. I stood by just in case the Coon decided to turn on my dog and whip up on him...I know he could but fortunately he nor my dog realized it. :lol:

Got a call from the wife and she said to get home...that I had a

Skunk in the cage. :whatwhat: I honestly didn't know what do do with him. :?:

I even researched it online and finally just killed it. :idk: I didn't trust the "walk up to him slowly...talking in a calm voice with a sheet spread out between him and me and slowly place the sheet over him and wrap up him and the cage" method...BS on that. The door on the cage was messed up so I was already having to use two pairs of pliers to open it to get the Opossum out so I knew I'd never get the Skunk out without spooking him.

Yep he still sprayed/released his smell and stunk up the place. :zowned: I double bagged him still in the cage and took him away and my Jeep even smelled of skunk for close to a month. I got rid of the trap with him and bought the pellet rifle.:yes:

[Fleck750]

Yeah I caught a few (8) Squirrels and took them to a park on the lake and released them. I caught an Opossum and turned him loose too. :lol: I had a couple of Raccoons show up but didn't catch them...just had the dog chase them off. I stood by just in case the Coon decided to turn on my dog and whip up on him...I know he could but fortunately he nor my dog realized it. :lol:

Got a call from the wife and she said to get home...that I had a

Skunk in the cage. :whatwhat: I honestly didn't know what do do with him. :?:

I even researched it online and finally just killed it. :idk: I didn't trust the "walk up to him slowly...talking in a calm voice with a sheet spread out between him and me and slowly place the sheet over him and wrap up him and the cage" method...BS on that. The door on the cage was messed up so I was already having to use two pairs of pliers to open it to get the Opossum out so I knew I'd never get the Skunk out without spooking him.

Yep he still sprayed/released his smell and stunk up the place. :zowned: I double bagged him still in the cage and took him away and my Jeep even smelled of skunk for close to a month. I got rid of the trap with him and bought the pellet rifle.:yes:


Good story!!

[Trip]

Now I admit...I can't go out and shoot my Glock...my AR15 or my Mossberg shotgun in the yard but I think that is more of a city and state law issue than a HOA's. :lol:

Is it a state law that you can't shoot in a city, you are referring to? We've blitz the hell out of shit in the country with similar weapons in NC.

[z06boy]

Is it a state law that you can't shoot in a city, you are referring to? We've blitz the hell out of shit in the country with similar weapons in NC.

I think so...or at least so close to an occupied dwelling or something like that. I also live in the town of Mooresville so I'm sure there is a city ordinance against it too. I won't mention how I killed the skunk...but I didn't own the pellet rifle at the time. :whistle:

[Trip]

I think so...or at least so close to an occupied dwelling or something like that. I also live in the town of Mooresville so I'm sure there is a city ordinance against it too. I won't mention how I killed the skunk...but I didn't own the pellet rifle at the time. :whistle:

city ordinance I am sure there is one. I don't think there is statewide though. Just think of all the rednecks out in the middle of nowhere that sit on their deck shooting trees and shit. If there is, it's not policed at all.

[z06boy]

city ordinance I am sure there is one. I don't think there is statewide though. Just think of all the rednecks out in the middle of nowhere that sit on their deck shooting trees and shit. If there is, it's not policed at all.

No I meant within so many feet of an occupied dwelling (not the shooters dwelling) and within so many feet of a state highway. The rednecks in the middle of nowhere can probably shoot wherever they want for the most part.

I use the term redneck only because you did. I probably fall into that category too in some peoples eyes. :lol:

[Trip]

No I meant within so many feet of an occupied dwelling (not the shooters dwelling) and within so many feet of a state highway. The rednecks in the middle of nowhere can probably shoot wherever they want for the most part.

I use the term redneck only because you did. I probably fall into that category too in some peoples eyes. :lol:

I am definitely a coonass, which is southern louisiana's (northern louisiana tries to claim it too, but they are ignorant rednecks) version of redneck. Redneck isn't a bad term to me.

[Rider]

No I meant within so many feet of an occupied dwelling (not the shooters dwelling) and within so many feet of a state highway. The rednecks in the middle of nowhere can probably shoot wherever they want for the most part.

I use the term redneck only because you did. I probably fall into that category too in some peoples eyes. :lol:

My hunting buddy who lives an hour north of GR hunts deer from his front porch. But he also lives on 120 acres so who the fuck is going to complain. :lol: Red neck living at it's best.

[Tmall]

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/HOA_Asks_Vet_to_Remove_Bumper


Vet's Patriotic Stickers
Under Fire

Published : Wednesday, 27 May 2009, 10:45 PM CDT

* James Rose

DALLAS - Frank Larison is a disabled veteran with more than 14 years of service, including more than a year of combat duty in Vietnam.

The 58-year-old former Marine now finds himself under attack by his Dallas homeowners association for displaying seven decals on his vehicle supporting the Marine Corps.

"To me, it's being patriotic, and it shows that I served," the veteran told FOX 4.

The board says the decals are advertisements that violate HOA rules, and must be covered or removed.

Otherwise, the homeowners association for The Woodlands II on The Creek --- where Larimore has lived for eight years --- says in a letter it will tow the car at Larimore's expense. The board also threatens to fine him $50 for any future incident.

Larimore says the decals, ranging from the Marine emblem to Semper Fi slogans, aren't advertisements for anything. "You can't buy freedom," he reasoned.

Some neighbors are outraged.

"That is his identity," said neighbor Mary Castagna. "He goes to a lot of the veteran meetings, and it means a lot to him. Everyone else agrees with it; it doesn't bother anybody."

"He's in the Marines, and he's proud of it, and I don't blame him," said neighbor Paul Hardy. "If I'd gone through what he's gone through, I'd be kind of proud of it myself."

The letter from the board states you can't have any form of advertisement anywhere on your car on your property. FOX 4 cameras spotted bumper stickers for political parties, health causes, and other non-commercial interests on the property as well.

One board member said he was unaware the HOA presidents sent the letter and did not know of any issue with Larimore's vehicle.

"I will be looking into it," said board member Art Bradford. "I didn't know anything about this. I haven't seen this."

The board president was out of town and unavailable. The condo management company did not want to comment.

[Smittie61984]

FOX 4 cameras spotted bumper stickers for political parties, health causes, and other non-commercial interests on the property as well.


I'm sure if they had stickers that said "Obama 08", Bushit, or even McSame and someone asked for them removed, the ACLU would be all over that bitch.

I'd also be real surpised if you could find a tow man who would tow that car once he found out the dealio. Especially in Texas.