friend went down today

[Frostz28]

So I went for a ride with a new group today. Not a bad group to ride with a couple guys were a lot better and rode up front. They didn't get to crazy just rode a decent pace in the twisties and then slowed up and waited for the rest. Then there were a couple of guys who was a bit slower and one who had his girlfriend with him. We came into a section of twisties so me and three other guys were in front and hit em at a decent pace, again nothing dangerous or to crazy. One of the faster guys was bringing up the rear and apparently decided he wanted to be up front so he passed the slower guys to catch up. well something went wrong and he ran wide on a curve and put her down. The front group didn't see the crash but I knew something was wrong when the rest of the pack wasn't behind us so we turned around, apparently no one really saw it but when they got to him his legs were under the gaurdrail and his upper body was hanging over the top. (Like he was hugging it) He's ok a pretty busted up nose but otherwise hes going to be just fine. Just so you guys don't think hes a complete idiot I followed him for quite a while and he really could ride, good body position, took a good line, and seemed to be riding well with in his limits. Also he was wearing a jacket and helmet. Which brings me to my main question. He was wearing a helmet and said it was strapped but during the accident his helmet came off! it ended up in the corn field on the other side of the gaurd rail. How could that happen? Ive seen guys crash way harder and not lose their lid. could it have come undone? the only thing I can think of was that his helmet was SOOO big on him that it slipped off with the chin strap still done. Is that even possible though? I mean wouldn't it have to be so lose that it wouldn't be comfortable? It was a scorpion so it wasn't a super cheap helmet or anything. I was just about to order up and EXO1000 helmet this week but now Id like to get to the bottom of this first. I don't know who got to his lid first so I don't know if it was still strapped when they retrieved it from the field. Any of you guys ever heard of anything like this? or have any idea how it could have happened. personally I think if it was strapped on and the correct size he may have a lawsuit on his hands. I mean if the chin strap came undone that's gotta be a malfunction of some kind doesn't it? on a positive note when we got up to the town where they took him one of the guys (who wasn't wearing gear) asked me if I knew of any bike shops in the area. I took him over to a dealership and he bought 700 dollars worth of gear on the spot! he got a nice leather jacket and what seems to be a real decent joe rocket carbon fiber lid. Don't know much about JRs lids but I figgered any lid was better than none. So at least the accident turned one guy into a safer rider.

[derf]

Seen that happen to a shoie a few years back, the guy hit a car that turned in front of him, and somehow his leg got caught on the bike, and he didn't move at all except for a very abrupt stop. The helmet just went flying like he threw it. The guy that went to got get the helmet later even noticed that it was strapped down tight, and if I remember correctly it fit him right.

It may just be one of those things that a very abrupt stop like that the helmet can somehow force its way off your head, possibly if the foam compresses?

[the chi]

Perhaps it follows the same principle as shoes...when a person is hit by a car, how often do their shoes, even snugly tied tennis shoes fly off their feet?

I've got the 1000, I cant possibly imagine it coming off without doing major damage to my head in the process, but I have a feeling it didnt have anything to do with the brand of helmet...

[Tmall]

Just a thought.. One of the scorpions with pump up cheek pads? Air compresses rather easily..

[Rider]

When I went down my shoei struck the ground pretty hard. There was some super deep gouges on the very back of the helmet. It wasn't even close to coming off. Of course I always make sure my chin strap is snug.

[the chi]

He didnt say the guy was weaing the 1000, just that he wanted one...and I can tell ya, even if the cheeks are "pumped" up, if the helmet fits like it should, the cheek pads really dont make that big a difference. The only thing they do is snug around the cheeks and lower face to keep that lil bit of wobble out for narrower faces.

[wildchild]

I've seen it happen at motocross races as well. Usually it is because of poor fit or not tightly fastened.
they can come off just from forse though as well. It's one of those 1 in a million situations. Not a fault of the helmet.

[OTB]

Biggest problem with helmet retention is proper fit. Too loose = fail.

If the helmet can move fore/aft or twist even slightly side-to-side it can come off during a wreck. When I was in my teens I wore helmets too loose, thinking they were more comfortable; it wasn't till I started racing and one of the knowledgable tech guys checking my gear (on me) told me he couldn't let me out on the course until I got a helmet that fit. I got a quick how-to from the tech guy on how to have the best (read snug) fit. Had to borrow one from a friend that fit better; go back and get re-teched. Made a world of difference in my comfort riding, and I've been down on the track at 100+ and never lost my helmet, nor have I seen other lose theirs in some horrendous crashes.

I'm not saying that a good-fitting helmet properly attached can't come off....but it's doubtful you'd survive the other injuries going with the amount of G's required to dislodge it.

JMHO

[Particle Man]

it was attached but was it snug?

[Frostz28]

it was attached but was it snug?

ya thats the thing. I don't know all the details. I just met the kid yesterday so I havent been around him enough to notice if his helmet fits right. (or know him well enough to ask while hes layin there with his face all busted up) I also don't know how snugly he had the strap done. It could have been a combination of a helmet that was a bit big and a loosely done chin strap.

[Frostz28]

I've got the 1000, I cant possibly imagine it coming off without doing major damage to my head in the process, but I have a feeling it didnt have anything to do with the brand of helmet...

How do you like the 1000?

[marko138]

If doods were passing guys around a corner and someone else isn't wearing gear...I would define that as a 'bad' group.

[the chi]

How do you like the 1000?

I love the drop down sun visor, thats the best part. They could take out the cheek pump, I wouldnt care. Its a heavy mf'er but a solid helmet. All the gadgetry that goes into the visor I assume makes it heavy, but for that alone, and not having to carry extra shields or wear sunglasses in my helmet its worth it. Your neck will adjust to the weight. :dthumb:

[Ducati Diva]

Sorry about the guy in the wreck. Hope he didn't get banged up to bad.

Opinions requested.....

What are your thoughts on flip face helmets?
I unfortunately work a lot of motorcycle wrecks and have found that it is much easier to get them off of a motorcyclist with suspected spinal injuries. I bought one for me but have found that it is heavy. Anyone else got one? What are your thoughts?

[101lifts2]

Sounds like the helmet was too loose. You shouldn't be able to take the helmet ON/OFF without using both hands. If you can, its too loose. And if it at all moves when you shake ur head side to side.

Also, the strap needs to be strapped correctly. Looping the strap so when the strap is pulled down, it gets tighter.

You live in IL..surprised helmets were even warn. lol

[Frostz28]

If doods were passing guys around a corner and someone else isn't wearing gear...I would define that as a 'bad' group.
perhaps I misspoke in my original post, no one passed on a corner, he passed them on the straight well before the corner. And yes gear wasn't worn by everyone but around here finding people who wear full gear is tough. I don't want to see anyone get hurt but if they chose to risk life and limb I guess thats their call. I consider it a bad group if in anyway the other riders endanger me.


You live in IL..surprised helmets were even warn. lol

LOL very true, there are a lot of people who don't but I always do. And the two guys I ride with most do as well.

[askmrjesus]

Sorry about the guy in the wreck. Hope he didn't get banged up to bad.

Opinions requested.....

What are your thoughts on flip face helmets?
I unfortunately work a lot of motorcycle wrecks and have found that it is much easier to get them off of a motorcyclist with suspected spinal injuries. I bought one for me but have found that it is heavy. Anyone else got one? What are your thoughts?

I've tested a couple for fun, (A Shuberth, A KBC , and an Avio something or other) hated all of them. Way too heavy, iffy locking mechanisms, and really, at the end of the day, no real point to them.

JC

[pauldun170]

He didnt say the guy was weaing the 1000, just that he wanted one...and I can tell ya, even if the cheeks are "pumped" up, if the helmet fits like it should, the cheek pads really dont make that big a difference. The only thing they do is snug around the cheeks and lower face to keep that lil bit of wobble out for narrower faces.

Another EXO1000 owner here....

The little cheek pumps sole function in lifew is so you can show other people and say "Hey look...it's got an airpump!"

I do klike the visor. the optics aren't bad.

[Amber Lamps]

Sorry about the guy in the wreck. Hope he didn't get banged up to bad.

Opinions requested.....

What are your thoughts on flip face helmets?
I unfortunately work a lot of motorcycle wrecks and have found that it is much easier to get them off of a motorcyclist with suspected spinal injuries. I bought one for me but have found that it is heavy. Anyone else got one? What are your thoughts?

I am still searching for a good modular... I've tested several and they are heavy, loud and typically clunky in operation. I may test the Shark Evoline here in a couple weeks and if you are interested, I'll let you know.

[cbrchick]

Sounds like it wasn't done up tight enough or it was too loose. His helmet shouldn't have come off with that sorta injury, and I hope he went somewhere to get checked out. Hugging a guard rail could mean some internal injuries and if he hit it with enough force to have his helmet come off, he could have bone/muscle injuries to his spine. Anyway....

When I used to sell moto-gear, I'd make the helmets so tight someone couldn't chew gum in it without destroying their cheeks. You shouldn't be able to move the helmet up and down by the chin without your whole head moving.

But we all know this.

I'd also never wear anything with a fast clip, always a slip-through toggle thingy (like most lids). And anything really heavy, no matter how cool, is more dangerous b/c of the extra strain it puts on your spine/neck. Everything will adjust in the event of an accident by breaking....

Kirsty

[Krabill]

Sorry about the guy in the wreck. Hope he didn't get banged up to bad.

Opinions requested.....

What are your thoughts on flip face helmets?
I unfortunately work a lot of motorcycle wrecks and have found that it is much easier to get them off of a motorcyclist with suspected spinal injuries. I bought one for me but have found that it is heavy. Anyone else got one? What are your thoughts?

I've seen numerous flip-up helmets with their chin's torn off. I'll never wear one.

Here's one after a little low-side . . .

http://i43.tinypic.com/10gk289.jpg

[marko138]

I've seen numerous flip-up helmets with their chin's torn off. I'll never wear one.

Here's one after a little low-side . . .

http://i43.tinypic.com/10gk289.jpg
Looks like some sort of alien type headgear.

[Amber Lamps]

I've seen numerous flip-up helmets with their chin's torn off. I'll never wear one.

Here's one after a little low-side . . .

http://i43.tinypic.com/10gk289.jpg

hey isn't that a G-Max or something? I noticed that the brand name was missing. Note: if you pay $59.99 for a modular helmet, it's probably not very good.:lol: In all seriousness, that's one of my fears with a modular and why they can't make Snell certification. A couple make it past ECE-22/05 though. The modular helmet is one of those ideas that when you first see it you say, "Wow, that is SOOO cool!" but as you look at it and really think about it, you can't find any real purpose for it.:idk: