Terminator Salvation

[derf]

Saw it the other night, and it left me wondering.... what is wrong with folks that they cant make a great Terminator movie, it shouldn't be too hard, make it a story about how John goes looking for his father finds him, and gets chased around by a terminator he never fought before.

Ok so the movie wasn't that bad and I did enjoy it for the pure lets blow shit up aspect of it, but it was a little light on story.

[tached1000rr]

I have not seen it yet but hope to soon.

[Sixxxxer]

Movie Was Garbage

[Kerry_129]

Haven't seen it, but not too surprising.

That's (usually, for the last couple of decades) Hollywood for ya - blow lots of shit up & throw a bunch of absurdly improbable/unrealistic stunts at the audience & it just doesn't seem to matter if the plots are disjointed shit-stains. :td:

[the chi]

I was pleasantly surprised as I figured it would completely suck and it turned out not so bad :shrug:

[Riceaholic]

It sucked balls. I can't believe I was actually stupid enough to go to the midnight showing on Wednesday night. I should have known with the PG-13 rating it was gonna blow...

[Corey]

It wasn't awful, but Batman should stick to Gotham. Bale doing the Batman voice for 2 hours without swinging through the air or riding around in the Batmobile is just wrong.

[Sixxxxer]

Everytime He said this is John Connor I thought...WHERE IS HE!!!

[derf]

I really think it was a good movie, just that it was also a mediocre terminator movie Although out of the four it was better than number 3 but at the same time less intelligent than the recently cancelled TV show.

I started to pick out some real quick plot holes:



How come skynet san fransisco was designed with touch screen ipodish terminals for people to use? Since it is a computer that really didnt interface with people at all (except for the one time with marcus), couldn't they have gotten away with a bunch of server towers and a USB plug to talk to marcus with? I mean they are both computers, they should use USB to communicate right?

Heart surgery outside in a windy desert next to a helicopter? Have you heard of an infection? How about blood type compadibility? cuz you can't just share body parts, you really need to see if people have the same blood type and other stuff like that. Which brings me to....

Wasn't Batman supposed to die at the end? I mean a railroad track to the chest is a leading cause of death in the post apocolyptic wasteland. You could sorta tell that Marcus giving up his heart to save john shouldn't have happened. I really think that Marcus should have taken Batmans face and lived on as Conner

Why only 1 Marcus? Go ahead evil self aware robot overlord of the future, in a grand scheme to kill more people you really could have built more than 1 evil half human half robot hybrid decepticon.

How do car batteries last 15 years? Mine barely last 3, hell I go through a motorcycle battery at least once a year sometimes I'm an idiot and ruin a few batteries by being a douche. 15 years? yeh start that jeep up there bad boy with your magical powers of car starting geniusness.

How the hell are their planes and helicopters stilll flying? it takes alot of maintenance to keep those thing in the air, let alone parts, fuel, trained pilots... There really is a huge industrial machine that starts with mining and works its way through the manufacturing process all the way up to manufacture and assembly. Speaking of the industrial machine....

Where do they get bullets from? Light bulbs? All that other stuff that takes manufacturing?

Ok I could go on, but that was just the stuff off the top of my head.

[Tmall]

You had no problem with time travel or killer robots, but you pick up a lack of light bulb manufacturing plants???

[derf]

You had no problem with time travel or killer robots, but you pick up a lack of light bulb manufacturing plants???

Well yeh it kinda makes sense to me, time travel is theoretically possible (click me (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel)), however how in the hell did they have a ton of light bulbs that worked and planes that flew and all sorts of stuff that needs a whole whole support system to keep it going.

Yeh time travel is a little out there I know that, but with advances in technology, especially by a self aware computer who would quite possibly spend a very large amount of its time and resources doing research.

[TYEster]

No Arnold no care. He made that franchise what it is, and now that he's gone, they're just trying to suck it dry of money. It had decent graphics, but the story is a bit shallow.



Speaking of picking on flaws of the movie, they have a complete hanger and all kinds of aircraft. Shouldn't the supercomputer of the future be able to locate that facility? I mean their using infrared on the HKs/flying machines, couldn't they just send those things out on patrol all over the place? Especially since everything is manufactured on an assembly line.

[derf]

No Arnold no care. He made that franchise what it is, and now that he's gone, they're just trying to suck it dry of money. It had decent graphics, but the story is a bit shallow. [/QUOTE

I saw arnold, wasn't really him, just a digital version, but still pretty cool



[QUOTE=TYEster;215687]
Speaking of picking on flaws of the movie, they have a complete hanger and all kinds of aircraft. Shouldn't the supercomputer of the future be able to locate that facility? I mean their using infrared on the HKs/flying machines, couldn't they just send those things out on patrol all over the place? Especially since everything is manufactured on an assembly line.

They sorta explained it that they were able to hold some ground, southern california was under resistance control, although skynet did send some robots to hunt them it was still more concerned with securing the areas it already it already had control over and rounding up the people in that area. If i were to place a bet skynet was more interested with winning the war through attrition, even though it wasn't winning massive battles it would still be able to slowly kill off the people faster than we could procreate. It also seemed that it was still very interested in getting rid of Conner and his father than anything else. Thats pretty much what the whole movie was about, killing conner and his father, with a bonus for blowing up the resistance sub.

[Amber Lamps]

Okay I haven't seen this movie but in a general reply to your questions...

If you have AI human like robots, there were stages of less than complete AI equipment developed. Like self sustaining factories and maintenance droids. You don't jump from what we have to terminators without several developmental stages in between. Heck, in other movies they explain "wasteland equipment" with airtight military bunkers like NORAD, etc. In any case, the producers obviously gave the audience too much credit in assuming that they didn't need to explain the details.

I also always have a problem with "time travel" movies. I always wonder why the bad guys give up with just one try? Shit that kinda goes for any diabolical plan. If you were foiled by just a millisecond the first time, learn from your mistakes and run the same plan again!

:idk: :boobs::boobs::boobs::boobs::boobs:

[Tmall]

Okay I haven't seen this movie but in a general reply to your questions...

If you have AI human like robots, there were stages of less than complete AI equipment developed. Like self sustaining factories and maintenance droids. You don't jump from what we have to terminators without several developmental stages in between. Heck, in other movies they explain "wasteland equipment" with airtight military bunkers like NORAD, etc. In any case, the producers obviously gave the audience too much credit in assuming that they didn't need to explain the details.

I also always have a problem with "time travel" movies. I always wonder why the bad guys give up with just one try? Shit that kinda goes for any diabolical plan. If you were foiled by just a millisecond the first time, learn from your mistakes and run the same plan again!

:idk: :boobs::boobs::boobs::boobs::boobs:


Or just come back the second time two minutes sooner and blow em away, or two seconds after you were destroyed and be all like, " Ya, that's right. This is the way I roll" And BLAM!!!

[TYEster]

No Arnold no care. He made that franchise what it is, and now that he's gone, they're just trying to suck it dry of money. It had decent graphics, but the story is a bit shallow. [/QUOTE

I saw arnold, wasn't really him, just a digital version, but still pretty cool


Haha well they "dubbed" his face over a pro bodybuilder Roland Kickinger, noted for one of the guys of the new who looks alot like Arnold in his prime.

[EpyonXero]

I liked it. The Terminator franchise has never had any real story, its always been about the action and this movie had some very good action sequences.

Terminator Story:
1. John Connor hates robots.
2. Robots hate John Connor
3. John Connor tries to kill robots.
4. Robots try to kill John Connor
5. John Connor tries not to die.

Repeat.

[nhgunnut]

I liked it. The Terminator franchise has never had any real story, its always been about the action and this movie had some very good action sequences.

Terminator Story:
1. John Connor hates robots.
2. Robots hate John Connor
3. John Connor tries to kill robots.
4. Robots try to kill John Connor
5. John Connor tries not to die.

Repeat.

I have to agree, I liked it for all the reasons that above plus Arnold's cameo. I don't thing anyone will be thanking the academy, but it was entertaining bubblegum for the brain.

[Lamnidae]

Like Rae I was going into it with an "bleh, let's see how bad the f'k up this one..."


they didn't do too bad. yeah, the ending was way too predictable...

yeah, they needed more plot.



But what I did like, was they didn't go overly stupid w/ bullshit CGI. It was nice and well balanced.


My roomie and I also got into the discussion on "supportability." How are they able to have all that weaponry based off "old school" stuff when everything was blown the fuck up when Skynet attacked?


And those who saw the film.... how 'bout that shot of downtown LA. Wouldn't that of been flattened when they nuked the fuck out of it? C'mon man...

I have to agree, I liked it for all the reasons that above plus Arnold's cameo. I don't thing anyone will be thanking the academy, but it was entertaining bubblegum for the brain.

exactly. it was entertainment. just try to watch it for it's own movie worthiness and not try to tie too much into it.

[Corey]

I liked it. The Terminator franchise has never had any real story, its always been about the action and this movie had some very good action sequences.

Terminator Story:
1. John Connor hates robots.
2. Robots hate John Connor
3. John Connor tries to kill robots.
4. Robots try to kill John Connor
5. John Connor tries not to die.

Repeat.

That's the one thing that sort of throws me off the franchise. The machines go back in time to kill John Connor. John Connor sends someone back in time to stop them. The fact that John Connor is still alive to send someone back in time shows you right away that they failed, or else there wouldn't be a John Connor to send someone back in time. For that matter, if they do succeed, then John Connor is dead in the future, the Machines don't know who the hell John Connor is or that he even exists, so they have no need to send a machine back in time to kill John Connor. So they don't send anyone back in time, and now John Connor lives. So John Connor is alive because there is no John Connor.

Fucking stupid time travel stories.

[Sixxxxer]

Wow Corey...that was confusing as hell to read...

Either way Its made for entertainment purposes not to be as realistic as possible.

But I dont know how this story ties into the series...is it a Pre quel?? since John connor is older than his father at the time. and if he doesnt save him john connor doesnt exist??

[Corey]

Wow Corey...that was confusing as hell to read...

Either way Its made for entertainment purposes not to be as realistic as possible.

But I dont know how this story ties into the series...is it a Pre quel?? since John connor is older than his father at the time. and if he doesnt save him john connor doesnt exist??

It is a prequel and it's not a prequel. In the timeline sense of things, it takes place after the previous movies with no jumps to the past or anything like that. In a story sense, it happens before Kyle Reese and the Terminator are sent back in time and before the T-800's are built, so I guess that would sort of make it first, though not really because of the time travel shit. And yes, if Kyle Reese dies, John Connor doesn't exist. But if John Connor doesn't exist, Kyle Reese isn't in danger. Oh the joys of time travel and paradoxes. :rofl:

[Lamnidae]

It is a prequel and it's not a prequel. In the timeline sense of things, it takes place after the previous movies with no jumps to the past or anything like that. In a story sense, it happens before Kyle Reese and the Terminator are sent back in time and before the T-800's are built, so I guess that would sort of make it first, though not really because of the time travel shit. And yes, if Kyle Reese dies, John Connor doesn't exist. But if John Connor doesn't exist, Kyle Reese isn't in danger. Oh the joys of time travel and paradoxes. :rofl:

but that was a T-800 that was built at the end.

[Sixxxxer]

Fucking Confusing...I dont think the Storyline was meant for this to have an actual "Spot" like Back to the Future 1 2 and 3 and Star wars they have stories that can go in order and what not...This one kinda just made itself its own monster...They left the ending Open as hell...I just hope Bale doesnt sign on for another one...I think he plays an awesoem Batman...But People just think of him AS batman.

[Corey]

but that was a T-800 that was built at the end.

Didn't want to spoil it too much. :lol:

Fucking Confusing...I dont think the Storyline was meant for this to have an actual "Spot" like Back to the Future 1 2 and 3 and Star wars they have stories that can go in order and what not...This one kinda just made itself its own monster...They left the ending Open as hell...I just hope Bale doesnt sign on for another one...I think he plays an awesoem Batman...But People just think of him AS batman.

It sure didn't help that he spent the entire movie doing the raspy Batman voice.

[Lamnidae]

Didn't want to spoil it too much. :lol:



It sure didn't help that he spent the entire movie doing the raspy Batman voice.

bah then you get some a-hole like myself ruining it. lol

[dReWpY]

i thought it was a good movie, no problems about science fiction being well fiction...

[Dave]

That's the one thing that sort of throws me off the franchise. The machines go back in time to kill John Connor. John Connor sends someone back in time to stop them. The fact that John Connor is still alive to send someone back in time shows you right away that they failed, or else there wouldn't be a John Connor to send someone back in time. For that matter, if they do succeed, then John Connor is dead in the future, the Machines don't know who the hell John Connor is or that he even exists, so they have no need to send a machine back in time to kill John Connor. So they don't send anyone back in time, and now John Connor lives. So John Connor is alive because there is no John Connor.

Fucking stupid time travel stories.

thought they said in the third one that his wife sent it. and with causality being what it is they never have to follow the same universe/timeline. think about it, if john conner sends the termi back its not to protect himself but an alt history john since the act of sending it will cause him and his timeline to cease to be. shoulda left it be after the first one IMO

[Rider]

I heard the movie sucked balls.

[pauldun170]

Spoilers

How they screwed it up

http://chud.com/articles/articles/19577/1/EXCLUSIVE-WHAT-WENT-WRONG-WITH-TERMINATOR-SALVATION/Page1.html

[fnfalman]

I was sorely disappointed. Not enough action, plot was total shit and the acting is terrible. The half-oriental chick didn't even show skin.

[derf]

This is the real reason that it was bad, it's Obamas fault


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