I hope the bitch rots in hell

[tommymac]

This one realy bugged me this morning, I may have to do a little roadtrip after working up at the jobsite and take a bat to this cunts head.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/06/05/2009-06-05_evil_teen_who_tossed_cat_in_the_oven.html

Tom

[Papa_Complex]

Serial killer in training.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Meh, we have another winner here in the Austin area.
I heard on the news yesterday that some 23 yr old mother was caught poisoning her baby with its own feces.
:screwy:

[JoshuaTree]

If the judge has ANY sense of justice in this case, she should be sentenced to some jail time, then MANDATORY community service at an Animal Shelter under 100% video surveilance... :idk:

[Rsv1000R]

I think far more fitting would be to roast her in an oven.

[Rider]

That cunt deserves to be raped in the ass with a baseball bat.

[Particle Man]

That cunt deserves to be raped in the ass with a baseball bat.

and THEN roasted in an oven.

[wildchild]

she hates cats? so she does that?

i hate young girls who are willing to do something so cruel to an animal, let's fry her ass.

[Fleck750]

Why they released her into her mother's custody is beyond me.

If she was my kid she'd be out on the street in a hurry. :hangman:

[the chi]

This just makes me ill, especially after saving the kitten yesterday...a tiny defenseless animal? Im sure she feels like a real badass...and I hope they punish her to the full extent of the law and THEN someone finds her ass on the street.

[BobTheBiker]

a baseball bat is too humane for this piece of shit. I vote we use a 4x4 landscape timber, complete with rough edges so she feels EVERY INCH. then put her in the oven to bake.

come to think of it, if she were MY kid, she'd be dead, and burning in a hole somewhere.

[z06boy]

That's fvcked up and she should serve time...or worse.

[Archren]

Meh, we have another winner here in the Austin area.
I heard on the news yesterday that some 23 yr old mother was caught poisoning her baby with its own feces.
:screwy:

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over??

[Trip]

You guys are fucking retards. Executing someone for killing a dumb cat... A fine and/or community service and buy that girl another cat and replace her stuff she stole/destroyed will be fine, but she will probably just get the fine/community service.

[Yamerhaw]

I think far more fitting would be to roast her in an oven.


yep

[Papa_Complex]

You guys are fucking retards. Executing someone for killing a dumb cat... A fine and/or community service and buy that girl another cat and replace her stuff she stole/destroyed will be fine, but she will probably just get the fine/community service.

... and keep a close eye on her for when she starts suffocating babies, rather than cooking kittens.

[Trip]

... and keep a close eye on her for when she starts suffocating babies, rather than cooking kittens.

I kill live animals all the time, yet I have no want to kill babies. Just a couple weeks ago, I stuffed a couple hundred living creatures into a big pot of boiling water and heard them scream while I was drooling to eat them.

[Papa_Complex]

I kill live animals all the time, yet I have no want to kill babies. Just a couple weeks ago, I stuffed a couple hundred living creatures into a big pot of boiling water and heard them scream while I was drooling to eat them.

Did you do it for fun, or was that just incidental to needing to eat?

[skiergirl]

Hunting for sport or food is far different than torturing something for no reason.

[Trip]

Did you do it for fun, or was that just incidental to needing to eat?

both, there is no need to eat this way, I do because it's delicious

Hunting for sport or food is far different than torturing something for no reason.

For food is a little different than sport, sport is just for the fun of it. I am fine with both. A cat or dog for that matter is just another animal to me and holds no special value because it's been domesticated. Killing one isn't deserving of the death penalty, just as killing a dear by bow/arrow (which has to be a slow painful death) you don't intend to eat isn't deserving of that penalty either.

[Papa_Complex]

both, there is no need to eat this way, I do because it's delicious

The latter has the former as a lesser, included item. I anticipated your response ;)

[skiergirl]

there is a difference between killing and torturing.....I eat meat, i have no problem with hunting for sport or food. Torturing something is completely different to me. You kill something quickly as possible you don't let it suffer for no reason.

If you shot a deer and it was on the ground but alive would you wait an hour until it died or do you put it out of it's misery and go on?

that's the debate - obviously the penalty for this should not equal that of killing a person.

[Trip]

there is a difference between killing and torturing.....I eat meat, i have no problem with hunting for sport or food. Torturing something is completely different to me. You kill something quickly as possible you don't let it suffer for no reason.

If you shot a deer and it was on the ground but alive would you wait an hour until it died or do you put it out of it's misery and go on?

that's the debate - obviously the penalty for this should not equal that of killing a person.

You ever bow hunt? It's not the most clean type of hunting. Basically the animal will die when it bleeds itself to death and you follow the trail to it. It's not a quick clean kill and you don't plunk a second arrow into it to make it quick. You can hit the animal and it sometimes doesn't die immediately and eventually will succomb to something like disease or infection at a later date.

[Papa_Complex]

You ever bow hunt? It's not the most clean type of hunting. Basically the animal will die when it bleeds itself to death and you follow the trail to it. It's not a quick clean kill and you don't plunk a second arrow into it to make it quick. You can hit the animal and it sometimes doesn't die immediately and eventually will succomb to something like disease or infection at a later date.

No, it certainly isn't, but the difficulty of making the shot is much higher and bow hunting doesn't typically attract the sort of people who would walk away from an animal after hitting it. The ones I know would spend a day looking for the animal if they didn't make a kill shot, because they couldn't stand the idea of it suffering over a long term. They also eat what they kill.

[Rider]

You ever bow hunt? It's not the most clean type of hunting. Basically the animal will die when it bleeds itself to death and you follow the trail to it. It's not a quick clean kill and you don't plunk a second arrow into it to make it quick. You can hit the animal and it sometimes doesn't die immediately and eventually will succomb to something like disease or infection at a later date.

Or the deer can go down in less than 5 seconds from being hit... same as a bullet, if you don't hit it right is wont die immediately or ever for that matter. And a lot of bow hunters carry a side arm just for this very reason, to put the deer out of it's misery if it's still alive. Another method is, if the deer is incapacitated and not dead, you can slit their throat to make them bleed out quicker.

[Trip]

No, it certainly isn't, but the difficulty of making the shot is much higher and bow hunting doesn't typically attract the sort of people who would walk away from an animal after hitting it. The ones I know would spend a day looking for the animal if they didn't make a kill shot, because they couldn't stand the idea of it suffering over a long term. They also eat what they kill.

You don't always eat what you kill and the kill rate for deer is a lot lower when bow hunting. It's not a rare occassion to have one slip away from you.

Also the eat what you kill thing isn't always true for some people. People get offended to find out some cultures kill monkeys at the table and eat their brains or that they eat dog.

All this comes down to is killing a kitten isn't a serious crime to warrant the death penalty. Basically it's no worse than killing a neighbors cow and warrant the same penalty.

[askmrjesus]

All this comes down to is killing a kitten isn't a serious crime to warrant the death penalty. Basically it's no worse than killing a neighbors cow and warrant the same penalty.

While that may be true, her intent was to cause someone else a great deal of emotional harm, and that should be taken into consideration, because it's not the same thing as killing a cow at the farm. Not even close.

Bitch put my cat in an oven? I'm going to jail, and I'd deserve it for taking the law into my own hands.

JC

[Papa_Complex]

All this comes down to is killing a kitten isn't a serious crime to warrant the death penalty. Basically it's no worse than killing a neighbors cow and warrant the same penalty.

Have you looked into the penalties for killing someone else's livestock lately?

[Trip]

Have you looked into the penalties for killing someone else's livestock lately?

yeah, depends on how much that means to the economy of that state, it's not execution. A lot of it is just replacing the animal.

[Papa_Complex]

yeah, depends on how much that means to the economy of that state, it's not execution. A lot of it is just replacing the animal.

And in the dairy belt it can result in hefty fines, or potential jail time.

I take it all back to one simple point, that has been found in study after study; serial killers almost universally started out by doing this sort of thing to animals, for kicks.

[Trip]

While that may be true, her intent was to cause someone else a great deal of emotional harm, and that should be taken into consideration, because it's not the same thing as killing a cow at the farm. Not even close.

Bitch put my cat in an oven? I'm going to jail, and I'd deserve it for taking the law into my own hands.

JC

I'm emotionally attached to my motorcycles, does someone deserve the death penalty for destroying one of them for making me mad? No... It's a possession, just like any other possession, like a cow.

[Trip]

And in the dairy belt it can result in hefty fines, or potential jail time.

I take it all back to one simple point, that has been found in study after study; serial killers almost universally started out by doing this sort of thing to animals, for kicks.

Yes, because every person who has been cruel to an animal has turned into a serial killer so we should execute them all. Slippery slopes always sound retarded. You should know that, liberals make fun of conservatives all the time for slippery slope ideas.

Hefty fines and some jail time sounds about right for animal cruelty. Not execution.

[skiergirl]

.

Hefty fines and some jail time sounds about right for animal cruelty. Not execution.

That I do agree with! and I'd add some counseling in there and maybe community service hopefully in an animal shelter where they care for abused animals to show her first hand what she really did.

[askmrjesus]

I'm emotionally attached to my motorcycles, does someone deserve the death penalty for destroying one of them for making me mad? No... It's a possession, just like any other possession, like a cow.

I didn't say she deserved the death penalty, just more than some bullshit animal cruelty fine.

When you fuck with people's pets, there should be additional charges.

JC

[Papa_Complex]

Yes, because every person who has been cruel to an animal has turned into a serial killer so we should execute them all. Slippery slopes always sound retarded. You should know that, liberals make fun of conservatives all the time for slippery slope ideas.

Hefty fines and some jail time sounds about right for animal cruelty. Not execution.

I wasn't the one who said she should be executed. I simply said that she bore watching ;)

And as far as the liberal/conservative thing goes, consider me to be a Constitutionalist.

[njchopper87]

I could have gone the rest of my life without hearing about this.., but I'm sure someone will trump this tomorrow.

[Trip]

I could have gone the rest of my life without hearing about this.., but I'm sure someone will trump this tomorrow.

Someone did yesterday when they mutilated a bunch of cats.

[Amber Lamps]

And in the dairy belt it can result in hefty fines, or potential jail time.

I take it all back to one simple point, that has been found in study after study; serial killers almost universally started out by doing this sort of thing to animals, for kicks.

That's true but you can't punish someone for something they may do in the future. One thing is for certain, if you over-penalize this young girl and place her in prison with hardened criminals, you will definitely create a "monster". I personally believe that this girl has some serious problems and should have some series counseling as part of her sentence.

[askmrjesus]

That's true but you can't punish someone for something they may do in the future. One thing is for certain, if you over-penalize this young girl and place her in prison with hardened criminals, you will definitely create a "monster". I personally believe that this girl has some serious problems and should have some series counseling as part of her sentence.

Fuck that.

I'd like to counsel the bitch with a blow-torch.

JC

[canibeyou]

WTF is with her gay Myspace type pic in the article? Makes me wanna cunt punt her even more. I wanna mug shot type pic. One where her eyes are swollen shut from being beaten so badly....

[Papa_Complex]

That's true but you can't punish someone for something they may do in the future. One thing is for certain, if you over-penalize this young girl and place her in prison with hardened criminals, you will definitely create a "monster". I personally believe that this girl has some serious problems and should have some series counseling as part of her sentence.

I'm not for over-penalizing anyone but as to creating a monster, I would say that she's already got a head start on it if not already there.

[Amber Lamps]

I'm not for over-penalizing anyone but as to creating a monster, I would say that she's already got a head start on it if not already there.


Yea well I guess that we can either help her overcome her darker tendencies or we can lock her up with a bunch of animals that will bring out her yet untapped savagery.

Besides, here it comes, I've used bb guns, wrist rockets or just plain rocks in the committal of some pretty cruel acts against small animals in my life, so I guess that I too should be locked up, executed or beaten myself.:idk: I guess I just can't see destroying the remainder of this young girl's life over a kitten,:sorry:

[Papa_Complex]

Nope. but maybe you bear watching also.

[cbrchick]

Dunno about the death penalty. She def shouldn't be allowed anywhere near an animal shelter even with 100% super vision. Anyone willing to torture a defenseless kitten has major issues.

I don't get kids hurting small creatures either. I never killed/maimed any animal intentionally. I went through a whole period where I wouldn't kill mosquitos (hard to do in Texas). I was also a vegetarian for a year (also hard to do in Texas).

I agree with AMJ - anyone comes near my pets and hurts them, bad things would happen. They aren't just objects to me. She used that little furry creature as a means to an end... to damage someone else. Sociopath in the making.

[the chi]

Maybe beaten Tig...:wink: But you'd like it too much.

To me, this isnt so much the fact that a kitten died, its the MANNER in which it died.

Its one thing to hunt for food or sport, but to intentionally torture and murder a creature, whether human or not, shows a severe malfunction and cannot be tolerated. The fact that she left so she wouldnt have to hear its suffering shows she knew it was wrong. If she was a sociopath, or pyscho she'd have stuck around to watch and enjoy.

Whats to stop her from graduating to bigger? Say torturing and murdering a friends or her own child? Kids are small, they fit in ovens and microwaves...and if the parent pissed her off, its ok right?

[Amber Lamps]

Nope. but maybe you bear watching also.

Yea me and almost every other kid I knew... I've seen kids tie firecrackers to dog/cats tails, sling cats by their tails, swerve their cars to hit a possum, throw stuff at animals of all types... hell, I even once saw some kids catch an animal on fire! It ran under a porch and the fucking house burned down! I've pulled legs off spiders, wings off flies and burned ants with a magnifying glass as well. Shit come to think of it maybe I am a serial killer in training myself... hmmm... Apparently, I'm the only one that's ever done anything mean to an animal in my life so...:idk:

[Papa_Complex]

You're in your mid-twenties?

[the chi]

Tig, you were one of those kids I fought with as a small child and reasoned and tricked out of your cruelty as a teen and adult. I never stand by and allow cruelty to happen and if I find out about it later, I address it with the child and parent. I go so far as to watch where I walk and save every creature (be it bug, spider, snake, etc) from being hurt or killed at every opportunity. Call me a sucker, but it makes me hurt to think of all the cruelty and harm children do b/c no one stopped them or taught them better.

[Amber Lamps]

Maybe beaten Tig...:wink: But you'd like it too much.

To me, this isnt so much the fact that a kitten died, its the MANNER in which it died.

Its one thing to hunt for food or sport, but to intentionally torture and murder a creature, whether human or not, shows a severe malfunction and cannot be tolerated. The fact that she left so she wouldnt have to hear its suffering shows she knew it was wrong. If she was a sociopath, or pyscho she'd have stuck around to watch and enjoy.

Whats to stop her from graduating to bigger? Say torturing and murdering a friends or her own child? Kids are small, they fit in ovens and microwaves...and if the parent pissed her off, its ok right?

So it's okay to hunt kittens for sport? Sweet because there's a few strays around here that are getting on my nerves!:lol:

I do believe that there should be some psychological evaluation here and definitely some punishment but execution, beatings, sodomy with a baseball bat? To even consider doing such things to a young girl....:idk:

[Trip]

I've plinked birds/snakes/squirrels/bunnies/various other creatures with pellet guns and no intention of eating them just for shits and giggles. Watch out, I am going to go on a mass murder spree.

[Particle Man]

Dunno about the death penalty. She def shouldn't be allowed anywhere near an animal shelter even with 100% super vision.

if she has super vision she can probably see through walls :lol:

[Trip]

I agree with AMJ - anyone comes near my pets and hurts them, bad things would happen. They aren't just objects to me. She used that little furry creature as a means to an end... to damage someone else. Sociopath in the making.

My motorcycle isn't just a regular object to me. Emotional attachment can come in all shapes and forms, but doesn't make it anything more than any other possession you own.

[Amber Lamps]

Tig, you were one of those kids I fought with as a small child and reasoned and tricked out of your cruelty as a teen and adult. I never stand by and allow cruelty to happen and if I find out about it later, I address it with the child and parent. I go so far as to watch where I walk and save every creature (be it bug, spider, snake, etc) from being hurt or killed at every opportunity. Call me a sucker, but it makes me hurt to think of all the cruelty and harm children do b/c no one stopped them or taught them better.

Yea I taught myself better... :idk: People do cruel things to their own children everyday and it generates less anger in the general populous...

[Amber Lamps]

I've plinked birds/snakes/squirrels/bunnies/various other creatures with pellet guns and no intention of eating them just for shits and giggles. Watch out, I am going to go on a mass murder spree.

Can I come too or am I going to be one of the first to die?:lol:

[Particle Man]

I've plinked birds/snakes/squirrels/bunnies/various other creatures with pellet guns and no intention of eating them just for shits and giggles. Watch out, I am going to go on a mass murder spree.

I plinked squirrels because they chew wires in my house.

damn things.

[Trip]

For the animal hippies, whale wars comes on tonight on animal planet. You can sympathize with your greenpeace douchebags trying to stop the japanese from hunting whales. Fuck the whales, GO JAPAN! I wish they would sink one of the greenie's boats. That would be awesome.

[the chi]

Yea I taught myself better... :idk: People do cruel things to their own children everyday and it generates less anger in the general populous...

Sadly I agree...and I will surely generate criticism for this, but I am not a mother, dont particularly want to be a mother and I dont really like children, whereas I am a huge animal lover and consider my dog to be as equal a child to me as someone elses human child. And if anyone harmed her, like AMJ said, Id go to prison, cuz someone would be dead or in severe distress.

That said, even as much as I dont like children, if I was able to keep a child from harm rest assured, Id do whatever in my power to not allow it.

I dont think it generates less angst and sympathy, we are just more used to hearing about atrocities against children and its more commonplace than burning a kitten to death in an oven.

[askmrjesus]

Besides, here it comes, I've used bb guns, wrist rockets or just plain rocks in the committal of some pretty cruel acts against small animals in my life, so I guess that I too should be locked up, executed or beaten myself.:idk: I guess I just can't see destroying the remainder of this young girl's life over a kitten,:sorry:

What's sad, is that you don't even seem to understand what's wrong it.


Yea me and almost every other kid I knew... I've seen kids tie firecrackers to dog/cats tails, sling cats by their tails, swerve their cars to hit a possum, throw stuff at animals of all types... hell, I even once saw some kids catch an animal on fire! It ran under a porch and the fucking house burned down! I've pulled legs off spiders, wings off flies and burned ants with a magnifying glass as well. Shit come to think of it maybe I am a serial killer in training myself... hmmm... Apparently, I'm the only one that's ever done anything mean to an animal in my life so...

Oh yeah, the old "All the other kids are doing it" excuse.

What were you, fucking raised by Wolves? I'm amazed at the shit that passes for human these days.

Fuck.

JC

[Amber Lamps]

Sadly I agree...and I will surely generate criticism for this, but I am not a mother, dont particularly want to be a mother and I dont really like children, whereas I am a huge animal lover and consider my dog to be as equal a child to me as someone elses human child. And if anyone harmed her, like AMJ said, Id go to prison, cuz someone would be dead or in severe distress.

That said, even as much as I dont like children, if I was able to keep a child from harm rest assured, Id do whatever in my power to not allow it.

I dont think it generates less angst and sympathy, we are just more used to hearing about atrocities against children and its more commonplace than burning a kitten to death in an oven.


Hmmm... I agree. Oh I agree that this bitch picked an awful way to kill this poor kitten. Heck, I knew a guy who put a hamster in the microwave to see what would happen.

[Particle Man]

Oh yeah, the old "All the other kids are doing it" excuse.

What were you, fucking raised by Wolves? I'm amazed at the shit that passes for human these days.

Fuck.

JC

Hey, you blew up a mouse with a shotgun!







Ok, it was a computer mouse, but STILL! :lol:

[askmrjesus]

Hey, you blew up a mouse with a shotgun!







Ok, it was a computer mouse, but STILL! :lol:

Well, I blew up a couple of snakes with a shotgun too, so I'm not totally innocent.

But torturing animals for fun? The dude has issues...

JC

[Amber Lamps]

Hey, you blew up a mouse with a shotgun!







Ok, it was a computer mouse, but STILL! :lol:

Damn! Wow and people wonder why I don't read AMJ's posts! Dude I'm just being honest here. I find it hard to believe that only myself and Trip have ever done anything "cruel" to an animal(including insects) in our entire lives. Are we the only non-Buddhists on this forum?:lol: Seriously, none of you have ever worm-mucked, cow-tipped, etc?

How about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEOAh9RDIfI

[Particle Man]

worm-mucked

:?:

[Amber Lamps]

:?:

Worms come up after rain, future serial killers run out and stomp on them... not one of my sins...yuck!

[Particle Man]

Worms come up after rain, future serial killers run out and stomp on them... not one of my sins...yuck!

ah. Sorry, that's a new one to me :lol:

[Amber Lamps]

ah. Sorry, that's a new one to me :lol:

Yea it's pretty nasty!

[the chi]

Damn! Wow and people wonder why I don't read AMJ's posts! Dude I'm just being honest here. I find it hard to believe that only myself and Trip have ever done anything "cruel" to an animal(including insects) in our entire lives. Are we the only non-Buddhists on this forum?:lol: Seriously, none of you have ever worm-mucked, cow-tipped, etc?



Your honesty is refreshing, well kinda, as Ive never seen you be anything but honest...

Here's one for ya, why? Why do that to something that cant fight back or defend itself?

[Trip]

I go out of my way to kill spiders in fun ways. I hate the bastards. Bugs and spiders shouldn't count in animal cruelty though.

[Particle Man]

Your honesty is refreshing, well kinda, as Ive never seen you be anything but honest...

Here's one for ya, why? Why do that to something that cant fight back or defend itself?

scorpions, spiders, and hornets are able to defend themselves. They are fair game.

[the chi]

scorpions, spiders, and hornets are able to defend themselves. They are fair game.

I'll kinda give you the hornets as they can fly away, but seriously, something 1/1000 your size and you think its a fair fight? When you can smoosh it with a shoe?

[tommymac]

I'll kinda give you the hornets as they can fly away, but seriously, something 1/1000 your size and you think its a fair fight? When you can smoosh it with a shoe?

True but with one drop those little buggers can kill someone my size in minutes.

The other thing is this piece of shit also went into this girls apartment and prety much trashed the place so I am sure that also casued a lot of damage too.

Like always the family will portray her as a good kid whos starting to get her life together then sharpton and his assclowns will show up and somehow blame it on white cops:td:

Tom

[the chi]

True but with one drop those little buggers can kill someone my size in minutes.

The other thing is this piece of shit also went into this girls apartment and prety much trashed the place so I am sure that also casued a lot of damage too.

Like always the family will portray her as a good kid whos starting to get her life together then sharpton and his assclowns will show up and somehow blame it on white cops:td:

Tom


True, on both counts. If its in your home there is the inherent need to smoosh it...I would still save it if possible, but I wouldnt hold it against someone else for reacting and smooshing. I try not to harm, but I will kill a critter if it lands on me or surprises me, merely from instinct...and I know Im a fruitcake for being so "critter" friendly, Im ok with that.:dthumb:

[Particle Man]

I'll kinda give you the hornets as they can fly away, but seriously, something 1/1000 your size and you think its a fair fight? When you can smoosh it with a shoe?

Yep. Any of the above capable of biting get squashed. I let spiders outside and stuff but if it's the kind the bites, it's done.

:shrug:

Some may not agree with it but that's how I am.

As for fair, there's a gazillion of them and one of me, I'm just evening the odds :lol:

[tommymac]

True, on both counts. If its in your home there is the inherent need to smoosh it...I would still save it if possible, but I wouldnt hold it against someone else for reacting and smooshing. I try not to harm, but I will kill a critter if it lands on me or surprises me, merely from instinct...and I know Im a fruitcake for being so "critter" friendly, Im ok with that.:dthumb:

Whats funny with me is I have caught and handled venemous snakes on numerous occasions and am fine with that but a bee comes near me and i am running :lol:

Tom

[Particle Man]

Whats funny with me is I have caught and handled venemous snakes on numerous occasions and am fine with that but a bee comes near me and i am running :lol:

Tom

Bees: Nature's Air Force :lol:

[the chi]

Whats funny with me is I have caught and handled venemous snakes on numerous occasions and am fine with that but a bee comes near me and i am running :lol:

Tom

Bees: Nature's Air Force :lol:

:lol: Sissy!! Im the one that tells you to shut up and be still, it wont hurt you if you dont bother it! Then again, maybe your greater mass makes you a more savory target!

[askmrjesus]

Why do that to something that cant fight back or defend itself?

Acts of cruelty to animals are not mere indications of a minor personality flaw in the abuser; they are symptomatic of a deep mental disturbance. Research in psychology and criminology shows that people who commit acts of cruelty to animals don’t stop there—many of them move on to their fellow humans.

Psychologists have attributed such acts to causes ranging from TDS, (Tiny Dick Syndrome) FAD, (Fucking Asshole Disease) and Canine Parental Guidance, (Raised by Wolves).

JC

[Trip]

Psychologists have attributed such acts to causes ranging from TDS, (Tiny Dick Syndrome) FAD, (Fucking Asshole Disease) and Canine Parental Guidance, (Raised by Wolves).

JC

I have been diagnosed with FAD.

[the chi]

I have been diagnosed with FAD.

Nah, you just have a rather sever case of ALABRI...

Acts Like Asshole But Really Isnt...

[Particle Man]

:lol: Sissy!! Im the one that tells you to shut up and be still, it wont hurt you if you dont bother it! Then again, maybe your greater mass makes you a more savory target!

I'm fat so I'm juicy to bees :lol:

[the chi]

I'm fat so I'm juicy to bees :lol:

:lol: No fat jokes now, I was teasing Tommy for teasing me the other day for being so small compared to you big guys!

[Papa_Complex]

For the animal hippies, whale wars comes on tonight on animal planet. You can sympathize with your greenpeace douchebags trying to stop the japanese from hunting whales. Fuck the whales, GO JAPAN! I wish they would sink one of the greenie's boats. That would be awesome.

I'll be rooting for both of them to go to the bottom. To me, Greenpeace are ecoterrorists and the Japanese are breaking international law. They can both rot with Davie Jones.

No JC, Mike Nesmith won't be there. He's too busy being rich.

[Trip]

I'll be rooting for both of them to go to the bottom. To me, Greenpeace are ecoterrorists and the Japanese are breaking international law. They can both rot with Davie Jones.

International law is horseshit. It means nothing. Until we have one unified government, no one gives a damn about it. Especially when the people who ran the whales to almost extinction are the ones trying to make the law about it.

[Amber Lamps]

Your honesty is refreshing, well kinda, as Ive never seen you be anything but honest...

Here's one for ya, why? Why do that to something that cant fight back or defend itself?

I don't know. I'm not advocating animal cruelty here.:lol: I'm just saying that I've been guilty of it in some form or another and I never went out and killed a bunch of people. Just like my parents were alcoholics and I'm not. Smokers and I'm not. My Dad was a woman beater and a child abuser and I'm not, etc. I guess my 4th level retarded point is that people who are saying that this girl is a "monster", "sociopath", "future serial killer", etc are wrong and that there isn't any reason that with some guidance and care, she can't go on to be a normal, productive member of society.

Oh I forgot one, we used to shoot rats with a CO2 pellet gun in out apt when we lived in the projects off Franklin st in Grand Rapids, Mi.

[Amber Lamps]

I have been diagnosed with FAD.

What's FAD?

[Amber Lamps]

I go out of my way to kill spiders in fun ways. I hate the bastards. Bugs and spiders shouldn't count in animal cruelty though.

You know, like anything else, it all depends on your level... There are wives of chicken farmers that write checks to the Humane Society to help save the kitties!:lol:

[Trip]

This thread made me find my pellet gun. It's plinking time.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3369/3599358326_264113eaa9.jpg

[101lifts2]

If the judge has ANY sense of justice in this case, she should be sentenced to some jail time, then MANDATORY community service at an Animal Shelter under 100% video surveilance... :idk:

Oh with burglary, arson, aggrevated crulety to animals, crimminal mischeif she'll prolly get 3-4 years IMO.

[101lifts2]

You guys are fucking retards. Executing someone for killing a dumb cat... A fine and/or community service and buy that girl another cat and replace her stuff she stole/destroyed will be fine, but she will probably just get the fine/community service.

She can get up to a year in jail for the crimes..I mean Vic did 2 years...plus add in the burglary, arson and mischief charges.

[Evadd]

i'm one who has zero problem with this "person" being killed over this. not only in my mind does she deserve to die for being that heartless, but anyone who can do that to a pet, and intentionally just to get at the owner, is a piece of shit who will never amount to anything. IMO, her life is worth zero. better to just get her out of the way now.

[Amber Lamps]

She can get up to a year in jail for the crimes..I mean Vic did 2 years...plus add in the bulgury, arson and mischief charges.

Oh My God did she fuck the kitten as well?!?!? Oh wait that would be BUGGERY Hmmm... well it's a good thing that she didn't steal anything or she would be in real trouble!:lol:

[101lifts2]

Oh My God did she fuck the kitten as well?!?!? Oh wait that would be BUGGERY Hmmm... well it's a good thing that she didn't steal anything or she would be in real trouble!:lol:

Haha lol fucker. Fixed the spelling...fuckin site has no spell check.

Doesn't matter what you or I think. Many states have animal cruelty laws. If her state does and she goes to trial, the judge isn't going to be too leinent IMO.

[101lifts2]

Oh My God did she fuck the kitten as well?!?!? Oh wait that would be BUGGERY Hmmm... well it's a good thing that she didn't steal anything or she would be in real trouble!:lol:

I'm sure she pocketed something..lol

[tommymac]

Obviously shes a real fine upstanding member of society :td:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/06/06/2009-06-06_cheyenne_cherry_teen_accused_of_burning_cat_in_ oven_was_busted_in_2008_in_armed_.html

Tom

[askmrjesus]

Obviously shes a real fine upstanding member of society :td:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/06/06/2009-06-06_cheyenne_cherry_teen_accused_of_burning_cat_in_ oven_was_busted_in_2008_in_armed_.html

Tom

After reading that, Tigger will probably want to date her.

It's not like she's a monster or a sociopath....

JC

[Papa_Complex]

Obviously shes a real fine upstanding member of society :td:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/06/06/2009-06-06_cheyenne_cherry_teen_accused_of_burning_cat_in_ oven_was_busted_in_2008_in_armed_.html

Tom

I would be willing to lay odds that she knows the system well enough to cut a deal, so that her parole doesn't get yanked on the armed robbery conviction.

[tommymac]

After reading that, Tigger will probably want to date her.

It's not like she's a monster or a sociopath....

JC

But only if she doesnt wear gear while riding bitch :lol:

Tom

[EpyonXero]

You guys are fucking retards. Executing someone for killing a dumb cat... A fine and/or community service and buy that girl another cat and replace her stuff she stole/destroyed will be fine, but she will probably just get the fine/community service.

For once I agree with Trip.

[tommymac]

I would be willing to lay odds that she knows the system well enough to cut a deal, so that her parole doesn't get yanked on the armed robbery conviction.

Tough call, this is getting a lot of press up here so it wont be easy to slip through the cracks. Hopefully she messes with the wrong person next time and gets shot in the head, problem and future problems solved.

Tom

[Amber Lamps]

But only if she doesnt wear gear while riding bitch :lol:

Tom

Haha very funny! I bet she doesn't snore like a hibernating bear motherfucker!!!

BTW what's with that AMJ guy constantly attacking me? Yeesh....

The fact that she has committed previous crimes still doesn't mean that she deserves to be executed or put away for life for killing a kitten. When I was younger, I also got into quite a lot of trouble. I'm not going to say that anything will justify torturing/killing that kitten but we still don't know what the other girl did to her to prompt this attack. If this girl is such a "monster" then I doubt that her roommate was an angel.:idk:

[Amber Lamps]

I'm sure she pocketed something..lol

Yea I think the article said that she took some packages of Ramen and a DVD or two....:lol:

[Amber Lamps]

Obviously shes a real fine upstanding member of society :td:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/06/06/2009-06-06_cheyenne_cherry_teen_accused_of_burning_cat_in_ oven_was_busted_in_2008_in_armed_.html

Tom

Ummm I read the article and she was with a boyfriend who stole a Yorkie from a chick using a bb gun...:lol: I'm sorry but I don't think she's going to make the FBI's most wanted list. I mean yeesh, she was 17 for god's sake. Now don't get me wrong, I don't approve of her actions but I think that she's more stupid than evil. She probably didn't think that the kitten would die with the oven on it's lowest setting (warm/200 deg). I really don't think she's this criminal mastermind and manipulator of the justice system that she's being made out to be.:lol:

[tommymac]

heres her myspace, looks like a real winner and shes divorced at 17. i will give her one thing in that she doesnt have 5 kids already.

http://www.myspace.com/shortypopoff11

Tom

[Amber Lamps]

heres her myspace, looks like a real winner and shes divorced at 17. i will give her one thing in that she doesnt have 5 kids already.

http://www.myspace.com/shortypopoff11

Tom

Oh yea her MySpace is so evil...:lol: I didn't look over the whole thing but it looks like a typical chick's MS page to me...:idk:

Well, it seems that me and my gf were made for each other... Apparently they used to take kittens they didn't want and tie their tails together and hang them from clotheslines until they fought to the death!:lol: I'm trying to visualize this but it's not really clicking in my mind's eye....

[tommymac]

Oh yea her MySpace is so evil...:lol: I didn't look over the whole thing but it looks like a typical chick's MS page to me...:idk:

Well, it seems that me and my gf were made for each other... Apparently they used to take kittens they didn't want and tie their tails together and hang them from clotheslines until they fought to the death!:lol: I'm trying to visualize this but it's not really clicking in my mind's eye....

never claimed it was evil just looks like more typical ghetto trash than anything else, I dont look at myspace ads for 17 yr olds so I dont know what a typical ad looks like.


Sounds like you and your gf will have a very long happy relationship then.

Tom

[Amber Lamps]

never claimed it was evil just looks like more typical ghetto trash than anything else, I dont look at myspace ads for 17 yr olds so I dont know what a typical ad looks like.


Sounds like you and your gf will have a very long happy relationship then.

Tom


Yea, well I'm "ghetto trash" myself so that why it looks normal to me I guess. All I saw was a bunch of pics of her in different clothes/poses either alone or with her brother in the hood.:idk: I get a lot of My Space friend requests from 17-25 year olds so I've seen quite a few...:whistle:

As far as the kittens go, :idk: I guess maybe it's a poor/hood/country thing because I asked a few guys around here and they almost all said, "so?" :lol: I probably doesn't help that there's dog fights a couple blocks from where I live every weekend either.:lol: I'm sorry but not everyone applies almost human significance to animals like some of you guys do. What I also find amusing is that I'm sure that the type of animal is a factor here.:whistle:

[Papa_Complex]

Ummm I read the article and she was with a boyfriend who stole a Yorkie from a chick using a bb gun...:lol: I'm sorry but I don't think she's going to make the FBI's most wanted list. I mean yeesh, she was 17 for god's sake. Now don't get me wrong, I don't approve of her actions but I think that she's more stupid than evil. She probably didn't think that the kitten would die with the oven on it's lowest setting (warm/200 deg). I really don't think she's this criminal mastermind and manipulator of the justice system that she's being made out to be.:lol:

She's someone who violated her recognisance. That makes her someone who, at the very least, should be going to jail for the crimes that she was originally found guilty of. Then there's this business of completely trashing someone's apartment, just because she felt like it. She may be stupid, but she's on her way to becoming a stupid career criminal. Those are the ones who end up in prison.

[askmrjesus]

BTW what's with that AMJ guy constantly attacking me? Yeesh....

I don't know, why don't you ask him?

Oh wait, that's me.

JC

[askmrjesus]

As far as the kittens go, :idk: I guess maybe it's a poor/hood/country thing because...

Um, no. It's more of a retard/worthless piece of shit/douchebag thing.

...I asked a few guys around here and they almost all said, "so?" :lol:

Congratulations. All the people you know are douchebags.

JC

[Amber Lamps]

She's someone who violated her recognisance. That makes her someone who, at the very least, should be going to jail for the crimes that she was originally found guilty of. Then there's this business of completely trashing someone's apartment, just because she felt like it. She may be stupid, but she's on her way to becoming a stupid career criminal. Those are the ones who end up in prison.

Yea I know she has committed some crimes...and I'm sure she'll end up in prison if she doesn't straighten up soon. Oh and it wasn't "just because she felt like it", the girl was her ex-roommate and had done something to precipitate the attack. Once again, I'm not excusing what she has done but I would like to keep it in perspective if possible. She didn't just randomly pick out an apt and trash it. There's a back story here. Heck, some of you think the other girl has a right to murder this girl for killing her kitten, perhaps the ex-roommate did something to justify this girl's actions as well? Hmmm maybe she flushed her goldfish down the toilet.:lol:

[Papa_Complex]

Yea I know she has committed some crimes...and I'm sure she'll end up in prison if she doesn't straighten up soon. Oh and it wasn't "just because she felt like it", the girl was her ex-roommate and had done something to precipitate the attack. Once again, I'm not excusing what she has done but I would like to keep it in perspective if possible. She didn't just randomly pick out an apt and trash it. There's a back story here. Heck, some of you think the other girl has a right to murder this girl for killing her kitten, perhaps the ex-roommate did something to justify this girl's actions as well? Hmmm maybe she flushed her goldfish down the toilet.:lol:

So what had this ex-roommate down to precipitate virtually everything that she owned being destroyed and her pet killed?

Many people feel that going too easy on teenagers who commit crimes is what is responsible for them becoming dangerous career criminals when they're older. So far she hasn't had to pay any real penance for her crimes. It's time that she learnt that there are consequences to your actions. You can't keep saying, "It was just a joke." and get away with everything.

You do the crime, you do the time. So far she got a couple of crimes 'on credit' and the bill should come due.

[askmrjesus]

So what had this ex-roommate down to precipitate virtually everything that she owned being destroyed and her pet killed?

The fact is, we don't know that the roommate did anything to warrant this attack, and Tigger is just talking out of his ass. Again.

First she helps her boyfriend steal somebody's pet, then she robs a guys i-pod at gunpoint, then she bakes a kitten alive. Why anyone would stick up for this walking trash pile, is beyond me.

JC

[6doublefive321]

Bitch should be strung up by her pussy lips, covered in fish oil, and hung out in an alley with 1,000 starving alley cats.

Anyone who would treat a defenseless animal in such a manner is a psychopath, and should be treated as such. It doesn't matter if they are white, black, yellow, red, emo, goth, ghetto, hillbilly, or geek. Fuck this bitch and anyone who defends or justifies her actions.

[Cruzergirl]

First she helps her boyfriend steal somebody's pet, then she robs a guys i-pod at gunpoint, then she bakes a kitten alive. Why anyone would stick up for this walking trash pile, is beyond me.

JC

Just doesn't make any sense to me either.

Anyone who would treat a defenseless animal in such a manner is a psychopath, and should be treated as such. It doesn't matter if they are white, black, yellow, red, emo, goth, ghetto, hillbilly, or geek. Fuck this bitch and anyone who defends or justifies her actions.
:iagree:
I don't understand.
It's okay to hurt a living, breathing, feeling creature as long as it is not human?
:scratch:

[Amber Lamps]

So what had this ex-roommate down to precipitate virtually everything that she owned being destroyed and her pet killed?

Many people feel that going too easy on teenagers who commit crimes is what is responsible for them becoming dangerous career criminals when they're older. So far she hasn't had to pay any real penance for her crimes. It's time that she learnt that there are consequences to your actions. You can't keep saying, "It was just a joke." and get away with everything.

You do the crime, you do the time. So far she got a couple of crimes 'on credit' and the bill should come due.


I don't know... probably nothing. As I've said, this girl definitely has problems and I'm sure that whatever happened, this response is probably an over-reaction for sure... but we don't know that. I'm just saying that you guys aren't giving her any "benefit of the doubt" because of the type of crime she committed. That chick may have beat up her Grandma, raped her with a wiffle ball bat, or simply called her a bitch. I don't know. I've already said that she should be punished, just not "put away for life", "executed", "roasted in an oven" or "beaten to death". I agree that she's a bad girl and on the path to becoming a career criminal. Just as I was at her around her age. I never said she should get away with this crime, I just don't agree with the severity of punishment a number of you have suggested. I believe that she can be redeemed and turn her life around.

[Papa_Complex]

I don't know... probably nothing. As I've said, this girl definitely has problems and I'm sure that whatever happened, this response is probably an over-reaction for sure... but we don't know that. I'm just saying that you guys aren't giving her any "benefit of the doubt" because of the type of crime she committed. That chick may have beat up her Grandma, raped her with a wiffle ball bat, or simply called her a bitch. I don't know. I've already said that she should be punished, just not "put away for life", "executed", "roasted in an oven" or "beaten to death". I agree that she's a bad girl and on the path to becoming a career criminal. Just as I was at her around her age. I never said she should get away with this crime, I just don't agree with the severity of punishment a number of you have suggested. I believe that she can be redeemed and turn her life around.

You'll have a hard time showing that I've suggested any of those punishments.

[Amber Lamps]

Just doesn't make any sense to me either.


:iagree:
I don't understand.
It's okay to hurt a living, breathing, feeling creature as long as it is not human?
:scratch:

I never even once said that it was "okay" or that she shouldn't be punished. I just don't equate the life of a cat to the life of a human, period. You people can attack me all you want. You can call me any names you please but I will not acquiesce that it would be just punishment for this girl to be "hung up by her pussy lips, covered in fish oil' and eaten alive (basically). A 1000 cats do not even come close to one human life IMHO, I'm sorry, and I won't budge from that opinion whatsoever.

[Amber Lamps]

You'll have a hard time showing that I've suggested any of those punishments.

And you'll have a hard time showing that I ever said that YOU did... You chimed in and quoted me responding to another person's post. I have actually tried to remain civil, honest and fair during this entire debate. I honestly don't really see where we disagree, in principle. We both agree that she has problems and that she should be punished.:idk:

[Amber Lamps]

Bitch should be strung up by her pussy lips, covered in fish oil, and hung out in an alley with 1,000 starving alley cats.

Anyone who would treat a defenseless animal in such a manner is a psychopath, and should be treated as such. It doesn't matter if they are white, black, yellow, red, emo, goth, ghetto, hillbilly, or geek. Fuck this bitch and anyone who defends or justifies her actions.

So just for suggesting that she shouldn't be killed/tortured for her crimes, I too should be killed/tortured?

I know people that believe that it's cruel to neuter a dog just to modify his behavior. Maybe everyone who has done this deserves to have their balls cut off?

I honestly have met people who believe that riding horses is cruel. Maybe everyone who does that should have to carry a load on their back, have their back teeth removed to fit a bit and have spurs/heels dug into their sides?

There are people that believe that we shouldn't use laboratory animals to try and find cures for diseases like cancer. Well as someone with personal experience in this area, I'm not sure how many rat, monkeys and kittens I would sacrifice to save my own life or the life of someone I care for but the number is rather large!

Yes I know that these examples are not the same as being cruel for cruelty's sake. My only point is that every individual has a level of "animal cruelty" that they will tolerate. Some will overlook the way chickens are raised (some of the cruelest conditions I've ever seen in person) so they can pick up a bucket of the "Colonel's Finest" whenever they choose and others tip toe over ants on the side walk. :idk: but I find it funny that now I'm being vilified for caring more about a human being that I do a cat. :lol:

[Dragonpaco]

but I find it funny that now I'm being vilified for caring more about a human being that I do a cat. :lol:

haven't you killed both? which did you care more about at that point?

[Amber Lamps]

haven't you killed both? which did you care more about at that point?

Hmm now that a very deep question...well, I've reveled in both and felt deep anguish dispatching animals or humans. The circumstances obviously had a lot to do with my feelings.:idk:

I've spit in the face of a dead Iraqi soldier, laughing when some other guys chose to piss on his corpse and I've cried like a baby when I had to have a Husky puppy put to sleep... I've also cried over dead Iraqi children and found it amusing when my Dad cut the head off a chicken, watching it run around the yard running into shit.

Overall, I'd rather kill humans than animals BUT that doesn't mean that animals are more important or even equal to humans in worth. I just don't like people very much in general, some I would gladly kill and, believe it or not, I love animals and have gone significant portions of my life with a dog being the most important living thing in my heart. I still wouldn't trade the life of a human being for that of any animal. I'm truly sorry that makes me some kind of MONSTER...:lol:

[askmrjesus]

We both agree that she has problems and that she should be punished.:idk:

For fuck sakes, make up your mind. A few pages ago, you said she shouldn't go to prison, so what's your idea of punishment, Volleyball Camp?

The time for touchy feely counseling passed after the THIRD time she was up on charges. How many more peoples lives does she get to fuck with, before we send her shanky ass to jail?

You're right about one thing, she'll probably be worse when she gets out. Prisons are not very good a rehabilitating people. What they are good at, is keeping them away from society at large, at least for a little while. Fuck what she needs to "turn her life around". She had that chance, and pissed it away. What society needs, is to lock that psycho bitch up, for as long as legally possible.

JC

[Papa_Complex]

For fuck sakes, make up your mind. A few pages ago, you said she shouldn't go to prison, so what's your idea of punishment, Volleyball Camp?

The time for touchy feely counseling passed after the THIRD time she was up on charges. How many more peoples lives does she get to fuck with, before we send her shanky ass to jail?

You're right about one thing, she'll probably be worse when she gets out. Prisons are not very good a rehabilitating people. What they are good at, is keeping them away from society at large, at least for a little while. Fuck what she needs to "turn her life around". She had that chance, and pissed it away. What society needs, is to lock that psycho bitch up, for as long as legally possible.

JC

Society had the chance of turning her around and did what many here accuse the UN of doing; wagging their collective fingers and doing nothing to enforce.

[Amber Lamps]

Society had the chance of turning her around and did what many here accuse the UN of doing; wagging their collective fingers and doing nothing to enforce.

I said that I didn't think that she should be "locked away for life" as some have suggested. Although I don't think that "years in prison" are an equitable punishment for the life of a cat... I mean seriously, it's a cat. People don't get years of prison for injuring other people. Besides, I made the statement about her punishment for this crime BEFORE I was aware of her other offenses, as you all well know. You all keep piling on more and more shit on the heap. Obviously, she will possibly face charges for her probation violation along with the other crimes she has committed. Personally, I believe that her vandalism and breaking and entering charges are going to net her the most punishment.:idk: