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Trip
06-10-2009, 03:44 PM
In 3.5 billion years, we better get ready

PARIS (AFP) – A force known as orbital chaos may cause our Solar System to go haywire, leading to possible collision between Earth and Venus or Mars, according to a study released Wednesday.

The good news is that the likelihood of such a smash-up is small, around one-in-2500.

And even if the planets did careen into one another, it would not happen before another 3.5 billion years.

Indeed, there is a 99 percent chance that the Sun's posse of planets will continue to circle in an orderly pattern throughout the expected life span of our life-giving star, another five billion years, the study found.

After that, the Sun will likely expand into a red giant, engulfing Earth and its other inner planets -- Mercury, Venus and Mars -- in the process.

Astronomers have long been able to calculate the movement of planets with great accuracy hundreds, even thousands of years in advance. This is how eclipses have been predicted.

But peering further into the future of celestial mechanics with exactitude is still beyond our reach, said Jacques Laskar, a researcher at the Observatoire de Paris and lead author of the study.

"The most precise long-term solutions for the orbital motion of the Solar System are not valid over more than a few tens of millions of years," he said in an interview.

Using powerful computers, Laskar and colleague Mickael Gastineau generated numerical simulations of orbital instability over the next five billion years.

Unlike previous models, they took into account Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity. Over a short time span, this made little difference, but over the long haul it resulted in dramatically different orbital paths.

The researchers looked at 2,501 possible scenarios, 25 of which ended with a severely disrupted Solar System.

"There is one scenario in which Mars passes very close to Earth," 794 kilometres (493 miles) to be exact, said Laskar.

"When you come that close, it is almost the same as a collision because the planets gets torn apart."

Life on Earth, if there still were any, would almost certainly cease to exist.

To get a more fine-grained view of how this might unfold, Laskar and Gastineau ran an additional two hundred computer models, slightly changing the path of Mars each time.

All but five of them ended in a two-way collision involving the Sun, Earth, Mercury, Venus or Mars. A quarter of them saw Earth smashed to pieces.

The key to all the scenarios of extreme orbital chaos was the rock closest to the Sun, found the study, published in the British journal Nature.

"Mercury is the trigger, and would be be the first planet to be destabilised because it has the smallest mass," explained Laskar.

At some point Mercury's orbit would get into resonance with that of Jupiter, throwing the smaller orb even more out of kilter, he said.

Once this happens, the so-called "angular momentum" from the much larger Jupiter would wreak havoc on the other inner planets' orbits too.

"The simulations indicate that Mercury, in spite of its diminutive size, poses the greatest risk to our present order," noted University of California scientists Gregory Laughlin in a commentary, also published in Nature.

pauldun170
06-10-2009, 03:51 PM
orbits is serious business

Rider
06-10-2009, 03:51 PM
By that time, NASA engineers will figure our how to move our planet out of any harm. Just tie huge fucking cables around Jupiter and the other ends to several giant winches on earth. :?:

tommymac
06-10-2009, 03:53 PM
By that time, NASA engineers will figure our how to move our planet out of any harm. Just tie huge fucking cables around Jupiter and the other ends to several giant winches on earth. :?:

Get bruce willis and his drilling teams up there asap and we will nip this problem in the bud right away :lol:

Tom

BobTheBiker
06-10-2009, 03:54 PM
the solution is very clear. blow up mercury.

Rider
06-10-2009, 03:55 PM
the solution is very clear. blow up mercury.

Yeah but what are you going to do about the sun engulfing us? Blow up the sun? :lol:

pauldun170
06-10-2009, 03:59 PM
Yeah but what are you going to do about the sun engulfing us? Blow up the sun? :lol:

Easy...apply the rule of JJ Abrams.
Move the earth to a time before the sun blows up.

BobTheBiker
06-10-2009, 04:02 PM
Yeah but what are you going to do about the sun engulfing us? Blow up the sun? :lol:

FUCK NO! MOVE TO ANOTHER FLOOR!

seriously, my plan is just to get a shitload of tequila and hope for the fastest death possible..... :didntdo:

canibeyou
06-10-2009, 04:21 PM
Sounds like a problem for Chuck Norris.

Particle Man
06-10-2009, 04:41 PM
Sounds like a problem for Chuck Norris.

that's right, the sun would be too TERRIFIED to expand!

Smittie61984
06-10-2009, 05:14 PM
Obviously this is Bush's fault and Climate Change. Knowing my luck I'll live long enough to have this happen and still not die.

Adeptus_Minor
06-10-2009, 09:05 PM
Knowing my luck I'll live long enough to have this happen and still not die.

Just remember the lesson we learned from the old Twilight Zone episode.
HAVE A SPARE PAIR OF READING GLASSES!!!!

Curb
06-10-2009, 09:25 PM
i'll let my grand kids worry about it...if i ever have kids first

Homeslice
06-10-2009, 09:33 PM
Obviously this is Bush's fault and Climate Change. Knowing my luck I'll live long enough to have this happen and still not die.

No it's Obama's fault, his massive spending has affected the force of gravity and is pulling Venus closer.

No Worries
06-11-2009, 12:00 AM
3.5 billion years? Thank God, I thought you said 3.5 million years.

Homeslice
06-11-2009, 12:05 AM
3.5 billion years? Thank God, I thought you said 3.5 million years.

No doubt. The sun is already going to explode in 5, and they're worried about what will happen in 3.5? Who gives a shit.

Papa_Complex
06-11-2009, 07:24 AM
that's right, the sun would be too TERRIFIED to expand!

Except that The Sun knows that it can't hurt Chuck Norris.

pauldun170
06-11-2009, 09:21 AM
3.5 billion years? Thank God, I thought you said 3.5 million years.

:lol:

LeeNetworX
06-11-2009, 09:54 AM
Considering this is what the human race will probably look like....it's probably a good thing.

http://staffwww.fullcoll.edu/tmorris/myths_of_evolution/images/future_human.jpg

HurricaneHeather
06-11-2009, 10:06 AM
Knowing my luck I'll live long enough to have this happen and still not die.

What kind of luck do you have that you will live for another 3.5 billion years and then survive the atrocity that will occur at that time? Are you considering this good or bad luck? :scratch:

pauldun170
06-11-2009, 10:32 AM
Considering this is what the human race will probably look like....it's probably a good thing.

http://staffwww.fullcoll.edu/tmorris/myths_of_evolution/images/future_human.jpg

:lol:

This drawing uses Lamarckian evolution theory to predict the result of future human evolution. Lamarck's discredited theory proposed that living things evolved out of necessity. So, this future human exhibits features accordingly.

This drawing is utterly inconsistent with present-day, Darwinian evolution theory. Instead of making predictions based on strident presumptive logic, modern evolution theory recognizes the power of unpredictable environmental circumstances that have the potential to produce unexpected results.

Interpretation: There is no reason to suspect future humans will be much different from us.

Smittie61984
06-11-2009, 07:04 PM
What kind of luck do you have that you will live for another 3.5 billion years and then survive the atrocity that will occur at that time? Are you considering this good or bad luck? :scratch:

Bad Luck. I grew up thinking I'd be dead before 21 and yet I'm still alive somehow. I'm under the belief that the greatest gift you could ever have is dying young.

pauldun170
06-11-2009, 07:51 PM
Bad Luck. I grew up thinking I'd be dead before 21 and yet I'm still alive somehow. I'm under the belief that the greatest gift you could ever have is dying young.

:lol

You youngins and your theatrics.

HurricaneHeather
06-11-2009, 07:59 PM
Bad Luck. I grew up thinking I'd be dead before 21 and yet I'm still alive somehow. I'm under the belief that the greatest gift you could ever have is dying young.


Yeah, I hear if you make it to 21 you have a good chance of making it to 3.5 billion. :lol:

101lifts2
06-11-2009, 08:00 PM
To the normal American, 3.5 Billion is a long long long long way off.

To Congress, its right around the corner and may provide a way to get funding if the need is spun correctly.