2010 Hayden edition duc 848

[RACER X]

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=37196

[Apoc]

Ok, they have a guy who won a championship and has fought for one the last year and this year, and one who was given a championship and can barely break 10th. And they make a special edition for the rider who cant break 10th.:skep: :lol

It is a nice ride though. It just that I wouldnt be flaunting the parade rider when they've got a fast, talented champ on the team. Even if it is Ducati NA, the people who buy Ducati's arent buying em because of the Kenlucky Kid.

And I still think the plain white 848's are the nicest bikes ever made.

[Apoc]

mmmmmmmm......

[Trip]

I have seen too many used 848s to even think about buying any of them. Over all impression of them seems to be blah or get a 1198.

[Amber Lamps]

I have seen too many used 848s to even think about buying any of them. Over all impression of them seems to be blah or get a 1198.

Yep, that's been my impression as well. Oh and the white is definitely the way to go!

[tached1000rr]

I like the paint scheme

[SteveP]

I like it too :phat:

[Dave]

meh paints ok but the bayliss is way better

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/ducati-1198-superbike/duc1198-bayliss-3.jpg

[The Awesome]

It's a bit disprespectful to Troy to give "dem-laydeez" his own replica if you ask me. Save the replicas for riders that are top shelf champions, and that have done something significant for the brand.

[Rider]

Sweet bike but like mentioned above, why make a Hayden replica? He hasn't done shit for Duc. I'd rather see a Colin Edwards replica R1.

[marko138]

I like it. Wouldn't buy it...but I like it.

[z06boy]

I like solid colors better on the Duc.

[Speedracer42]

Ok, they have a guy who won a championship and has fought for one the last year and this year, and one who was given a championship and can barely break 10th. And they make a special edition for the rider who cant break 10th.:skep: :lol

It is a nice ride though. It just that I wouldnt be flaunting the parade rider when they've got a fast, talented champ on the team. Even if it is Ducati NA, the people who buy Ducati's arent buying em because of the Kenlucky Kid.

And I still think the plain white 848's are the nicest bikes ever made.

Given a championship huh? Yeah cause nobody else road that year. :wtfru:

[Rider]

Given a championship huh? Yeah cause nobody else road that year. :wtfru:

Being competitive 1 year of your entire MotoGP career does NOT make you replica worthy.

[RACER X]

Sweet bike but like mentioned above, why make a Hayden replica? He hasn't done shit for Duc. I'd rather see a Colin Edwards replica R1.

remember these

http://www.motorbikes.be/motorbike/3639/full.jpg

[Apoc]

those are sexy

[marko138]

Being competitive 1 year of your entire MotoGP career does NOT make you replica worthy.

By virtue of the original post, you would be wrong.

[Apoc]

Given a championship huh? Yeah cause nobody else road that year. :wtfru:


ya, he rode 3rd-5th all season and fell into a championship as most of the field had horriffic seasons marred with mechanical failures, over and over again. I think Rossi had 6dnf's, and was still in contention to beat him at the last race. Nicky hung on for third or fourth after rossi made a mistake and had a championship handed over to him.

One win that year? a few podiums, and a title. And has a hard time to stay int he points since. His best finish of this year, a 5th at one of his favourite home tracks.

[Speedracer42]

By virtue of the original post, you would be wrong.

EXACTLY!! But that isn't what Im saying, OR why I quoted someone else saying he was GIVEN a championship. And it was prob said by a guy who has never raced a lap in his life. That shit irritates me (as a racer) is all. You win a championship that means by virtue of your performance and the rules (and often luck too) you deserve it. I suppose his other titles mean nothing?

[Speedracer42]

ya, he rode 3rd-5th all season and fell into a championship as most of the field had horriffic seasons marred with mechanical failures, over and over again. I think Rossi had 6dnf's, and was still in contention to beat him at the last race. Nicky hung on for third or fourth after rossi made a mistake and had a championship handed over to him.

One win that year? a few podiums, and a title. And has a hard time to stay int he points since. His best finish of this year, a 5th at one of his favourite home tracks.

Don't forget he is on a new to him bike, that by all accounts is seemingly hard to get accustomed to for everyone BUT Stoner. Maybe you should ride the bike. I'm sorry but sports fans and their Monday morning quarterback shit really twist my shorts. And more so when done by someone who has never been competitive in the sport on ANY level much less a professional one.

[fnfalman]

Stoner has the personality of a gnome and that's probably why Ducati figure nobody would want to buy a Stoner replica paint job.

Since new developments been made to the GP bike, Hayden had been climbing steadily up, while Stacy Moaner continues to move backward and crying about this and that.

[Trip]

Don't forget he is on a new to him bike, that by all accounts is seemingly hard to get accustomed to for everyone BUT Stoner. Maybe you should ride the bike. I'm sorry but sports fans and their Monday morning quarterback shit really twist my shorts. And more so when done by someone who has never been competitive in the sport on ANY level much less a professional one.

Let me ask you something, what's the point of the sport? People who take it to this level and expect us to worship people and praise their mediocre performances on the world level because we can't do it twist my shorts. These people make a living off us. They are there for our entertainment. "Dance clown dance." The entire purpose of this sport is to entertain us and we can provide any amount of monday morning quarterbacking we want because that's the entire purpose of sport.

If you don't like that, don't race competitively because it's not for mastery of a motorcycle, it's for entertainment. Otherwise it wouldn't exist for lack of funding.

Hence the point of the bike, the bike wasn't made to praise "Dem Ladiez" accomplishments, it was to sell bikes.

[Speedracer42]

Let me ask you something, what's the point of the sport? People who take it to this level and expect us to worship people and praise their mediocre performances on the world level because we can't do it twist my shorts. These people make a living off us. They are there for our entertainment. "Dance clown dance." The entire purpose of this sport is to entertain us and we can provide any amount of monday morning quarterbacking we want because that's the entire purpose of sport.

If you don't like that, don't race competitively because it's not for mastery of a motorcycle, it's for entertainment. Otherwise it wouldn't exist for lack of funding.

Hence the point of the bike, the bike wasn't made to praise "Dem Ladiez" accomplishments, it was to sell bikes.


Well that is certainly an interesting perspective. So people watch baseball not for the 38 seconds of super human like fights where a player makes some rediculous catch followed by an amazing off balance throw to nail a double or even triple play? Its just for the entertainment? I watch racing to see guys do feats I will never on my best day be able to do. The office quaterbacking started when some 40yo fat fuck who played 2 quarters of high school football watched a game on CBS and started telling his co-workers how the team coulda/woulda/shoulda. Its disturbing that you even use mediocre and world level in the same breath. The 10th place guy is still better than MOST of the other riders on the entire fucking planet. Its naive and stupid to think that just because a rider is payed by "you" that he should be fighting for a win. And by your logic the grids should really only be about 5 bikes deep. And in some series they would be lucky to be 3 deep. Cause NOBODY else has a snowballs chance of winning. But they are paid professionals and by God they better fucking perform for your entertainment. Otherwise you will get on the interwebby thingy and say bad things about them.

[Rider]

Well that is certainly an interesting perspective. So people watch baseball not for the 38 seconds of super human like fights where a player makes some rediculous catch followed by an amazing off balance throw to nail a double or even triple play? Its just for the entertainment? I watch racing to see guys do feats I will never on my best day be able to do. The office quaterbacking started when some 40yo fat fuck who played 2 quarters of high school football watched a game on CBS and started telling his co-workers how the team coulda/woulda/shoulda. Its disturbing that you even use mediocre and world level in the same breath. The 10th place guy is still better than MOST of the other riders on the entire fucking planet. Its naive and stupid to think that just because a rider is payed by "you" that he should be fighting for a win. And by your logic the grids should really only be about 5 bikes deep. And in some series they would be lucky to be 3 deep. Cause NOBODY else has a snowballs chance of winning. But they are paid professionals and by God they better fucking perform for your entertainment. Otherwise you will get on the interwebby thingy and say bad things about them.

At the end of the day, by comparison to his peers, Haydon blows goats for quarters. The question isn't whether he is better than me, that question is obvious, the question is.. is he better than the rest of the grid on race day and the answer to that is NO!

[The Awesome]

Since new developments been made to the GP bike, Hayden had been climbing steadily up, while Stacy Moaner continues to move backward and crying about this and that.

I don't like Stoner, but he's miles ahead of Hayden on his worst day. Saying a guy that falls from 1st to 3rd is "moving backward" and a guy that goes from dead-ass-last to a few positions from last is "climbing steadily up" is just silly. Lets talk when there isn't a 45 second gap between them at the finish line.

[Trip]

Well that is certainly an interesting perspective. So people watch baseball not for the 38 seconds of super human like fights where a player makes some rediculous catch followed by an amazing off balance throw to nail a double or even triple play? Its just for the entertainment? I watch racing to see guys do feats I will never on my best day be able to do. The office quaterbacking started when some 40yo fat fuck who played 2 quarters of high school football watched a game on CBS and started telling his co-workers how the team coulda/woulda/shoulda. Its disturbing that you even use mediocre and world level in the same breath. The 10th place guy is still better than MOST of the other riders on the entire fucking planet. Its naive and stupid to think that just because a rider is payed by "you" that he should be fighting for a win. And by your logic the grids should really only be about 5 bikes deep. And in some series they would be lucky to be 3 deep. Cause NOBODY else has a snowballs chance of winning. But they are paid professionals and by God they better fucking perform for your entertainment. Otherwise you will get on the interwebby thingy and say bad things about them.

Where would that baseball player be without the fans? He sure as hell wouldn't be playing major league baseball because there would be no money in it because no one would watch it or go to the games. The fans are entitled to their opinions because they are consumers of the product. A baseball star is a product, just like any TV or DVD player. How many electrical engineers do we have on the board? I know we have a few, so this is a bad analogy, lol. For those that aren't qualified engineers that design TVs, why should we value their opinions on a TV they do not understand but are simply there to enjoy the quality of the picture? It's the same shit, Nicky Hayden is a product for our consumption, we are fully qualified as consumers of this sport to give an opinion on him just as if we got a shitty TV and wanted to inform other consumers.

Not everyone is a winner, you need field fillers to make things entertaining. Watching 3 guys go around a track would be fucking boring and no one would watch it. Field fillers are there for entertainment as well, they still make money for their companies as well because people like to root for the underdog.

[marko138]

Where would that baseball player be without the fans? He sure as hell wouldn't be playing major league baseball because there would be no money in it because no one would watch it or go to the games. The fans are entitled to their opinions because they are consumers of the product. A baseball star is a product, just like any TV or DVD player. How many electrical engineers do we have on the board? I know we have a few, so this is a bad analogy, lol. For those that aren't qualified engineers that design TVs, why should we value their opinions on a TV they do not understand but are simply there to enjoy the quality of the picture? It's the same shit, Nicky Hayden is a product for our consumption, we are fully qualified as consumers of this sport to give an opinion on him just as if we got a shitty TV and wanted to inform other consumers.

Not everyone is a winner, you need field fillers to make things entertaining. Watching 3 guys go around a track would be fucking boring and no one would watch it. Field fillers are there for entertainment as well, they still make money for their companies as well because people like to root for the underdog.
I agree. Thats also why I dont get bent out of shape about the whole steriod gimmick. Fuck it...it's entertainment. What do pro sports really mean? Not a goddamn thing. There's nothign sacred about the game thats needs protecting. Fuck it. Slam a couple of rattlers and get to stepping. Smash some fuckng homers. Throw a 300 yard TD pass. I dont give a fuck. Just dont be boring. Otherwise you gots to go.

[Amber Lamps]

Don't forget he is on a new to him bike, that by all accounts is seemingly hard to get accustomed to for everyone BUT Stoner. Maybe you should ride the bike. I'm sorry but sports fans and their Monday morning quarterback shit really twist my shorts. And more so when done by someone who has never been competitive in the sport on ANY level much less a professional one.


How do you know what he's done or anyone else for that matter? Just because you choose to throw your money away pretending to be Rossi doesn't mean that your opinion is the only one that counts! Let's see all of your championships and MotoGp trophies before you start mouthing off that we don't deserve an opinion and you do. Maybe you aught to get Nicky's balls out of your mouth long enough to take a real look at his career. Every championship Hayden has ever "won" has been behind someone truly great having a terrible season. Do you honestly believe that your boy is a better rider than Rossi? Or Mat Mlladin? Come on! Both times he had unarguably the most dominant bikes and it still required 4-6 dnfs by Rossi/Mlladin for him to win a championship.

[Amber Lamps]

Where would that baseball player be without the fans? He sure as hell wouldn't be playing major league baseball because there would be no money in it because no one would watch it or go to the games. The fans are entitled to their opinions because they are consumers of the product. A baseball star is a product, just like any TV or DVD player. How many electrical engineers do we have on the board? I know we have a few, so this is a bad analogy, lol. For those that aren't qualified engineers that design TVs, why should we value their opinions on a TV they do not understand but are simply there to enjoy the quality of the picture? It's the same shit, Nicky Hayden is a product for our consumption, we are fully qualified as consumers of this sport to give an opinion on him just as if we got a shitty TV and wanted to inform other consumers.

Not everyone is a winner, you need field fillers to make things entertaining. Watching 3 guys go around a track would be fucking boring and no one would watch it. Field fillers are there for entertainment as well, they still make money for their companies as well because people like to root for the underdog.


Actually Trip, that's a decent analogy. I mean just because I can't design a car means that I can't have an opinion on how it's constructed? How it drives? Handles?:idk: Hell, I'm not an actor, does that mean I can't criticize a movie?

[Rider]

How do you know what he's done or anyone else for that matter? Just because you choose to throw your money away pretending to be Rossi doesn't mean that your opinion is the only one that counts! Let's see all of your championships and MotoGp trophies before you start mouthing off that we don't deserve an opinion and you do. Maybe you aught to get Nicky's balls out of your mouth long enough to take a real look at his career. Every championship Hayden has ever "won" has been behind someone truly great having a terrible season. Do you honestly believe that your boy is a better rider than Rossi? Or Mat Mlladin? Come on! Both times he had unarguably the most dominant bikes and it still required 4-6 dnfs by Rossi/Mlladin for him to win a championship.

Exactly. 3 wins in your entire MotoGP career(5 1/2 seasons) doesn't mean shit. The guy is overrated, over hyped, and overly ghey. Nicky Hayden this and Nicky Hayden that....bullshit. You want to pull for an American? Try Ben Spies... a real champion.

[seDUCtive]

I LOVE it...It looked great on Sunday!

[z06boy]

I LOVE it...It looked great on Sunday!

:lol: Cool pic.

[Big Kahuna]

I saw the Nicky version 848 at Laguna and the pictures don't do the bike justice. It is truly a beautiful paint scheme, fitting for an incredible rider. To bad it's on a duc. :nee:

[Big Kahuna]

I LOVE it...It looked great on Sunday!And you wonder why they wouldn't let you in the Repsol tent, sporting that Ducati shirt. ;)

[seDUCtive]

And you wonder why they wouldn't let you in the Repsol tent, sporting that Ducati shirt. ;)

Hee hee hee.... but I thought if I was with the BK it wouldn't matter!

[fnfalman]

Exactly. 3 wins in your entire MotoGP career(5 1/2 seasons) doesn't mean shit. The guy is overrated, over hyped, and overly ghey. Nicky Hayden this and Nicky Hayden that....bullshit. You want to pull for an American? Try Ben Spies... a real champion.
Ben Spies is a great WSBK rider and I cheer for him during WSBK races. When he win some shit in MotoGP then I'll cheer for him in MotoGP too.

[Apoc]

Exactly. 3 wins in your entire MotoGP career(5 1/2 seasons) doesn't mean shit. The guy is overrated, over hyped, and overly ghey. Nicky Hayden this and Nicky Hayden that....bullshit. You want to pull for an American? Try Ben Spies... a real champion.

ding...

I dont even dislike Hayden, so im not even biased. He seems like a good kid. Bit of a redneck, but so am I. But people dont wanna swallow their pride and admit his career has been far less than stellar. Damn near 100 races on the best equipment in the world, and 3 wins with a handful of podiums.

Biaggi was 10x the racer Hayden is (he's old now), with far more wins, and people questioned his talent.

Giberneau won regularly on different equipment, and people question his ability.

bayliss won on a wildcard at the last race of a season, and people bitched about him when he rode for Duc in Motogp.

Pedrobot is apparently a no talent loser, yet his career has been far more successful than nicky's

But haydenpoo can do no wrong. It just puzzles me a little. And Nicky whines as much as any of them!

But Hayden has shown that he's good at rding around at the back of the pack, and you guys grovel at the mention of his name.

Puzzling...

[Speedracer42]

How do you know what he's done or anyone else for that matter? Just because you choose to throw your money away pretending to be Rossi doesn't mean that your opinion is the only one that counts! Let's see all of your championships and MotoGp trophies before you start mouthing off that we don't deserve an opinion and you do. Maybe you aught to get Nicky's balls out of your mouth long enough to take a real look at his career. Every championship Hayden has ever "won" has been behind someone truly great having a terrible season. Do you honestly believe that your boy is a better rider than Rossi? Or Mat Mlladin? Come on! Both times he had unarguably the most dominant bikes and it still required 4-6 dnfs by Rossi/Mlladin for him to win a championship.

Let's not get carried away. Im no Nicky fanboy. I would defend someone like Vermulen in the same manner. He has a WSBK championship and kicked ass over there. Yet hasn't done jack in GP. It doesn't mean he is washed up or talentless or anything. And I also said never said none of you could have an opinion. Only that I did not agree with it. And won't. There is another thread similar to this is regards to Stoner on another forum. People complaining about his lack of interest in fans and dead pan personality. Here is what a WMRC and OMRRA multi time #1 plate holder had to say about it.....

You know...... I think some people are loosing perspective. These guys: Stoner, Haga, Yates, Mladin, they didn't get into motorbikes cause of the fame. They're motorbike racers. True, they're at the highest level and have a ton of fans. Some guys (ie Rossi) are better with the fans than others, but respect them for what they're trying to really do: wring one more tenth per lap out of those bikes at speeds we can't imagine.

Maybe Stoner's sick. Maybe he isn't. Whatever it is, I hope he gets over it. I'm not going to dislike him cause he doesn't smile and wave like he's some kind of puppet.

It's what these guys do on the track that I'll judge them by. If they're a dick on the track I won't like them. That's what matters to these guys, and should be what matters to us.

Here's one for you to think about:

Spies is from America, he's kicking ass in WSB, and we all love him for it. Ever notice how he shows no emotion and never smiles in the post-race conference? You think the rest of the motorcycle racing world is going to love him for long? Is that right? Do you think that's unfair? Should he be judged by his on-track activities?

As someone who races I just have a different perspective. You guys can love him or hate him. I don't give a shit. But to show a total lack of respect for a guy and justifying your opinion based on statistics is still missing the point. And I will give another comparison. If any of you follow motocross/supercross Chad Reed is a good example. His Supercross championships came with RC and/or Bubba misssing. So people dog him. I don't like him AT ALL. But he deserves those titles IMO because he was the best of who was out there. And while maybe those guys aren't in the same league as Bubba or RC they are still stupid fucken fast and Chad had to beat them.

[Rider]

So because Nicky is fan friendly he deserves a replica edition? I don't give a shit what he does off the track. On the track he isn't that good compared to the rest of the field. When he start performing as well as Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Stoner, Rossi, or even Divizioso, then I'll buy the idea of a replica. It is Duc's chance to cash in on his fame though.

[z06boy]

Maybe they're just trying to get more Americans to buy Ducati and thought this would appeal to us ?

His first year on the bike and he's not doing so great so it does suprise me that they would be doing a replica in his name.

[Porkchop]

How do you know what he's done or anyone else for that matter? Just because you choose to throw your money away pretending to be Rossi doesn't mean that your opinion is the only one that counts! Let's see all of your championships and MotoGp trophies before you start mouthing off that we don't deserve an opinion and you do. Maybe you aught to get Nicky's balls out of your mouth long enough to take a real look at his career. Every championship Hayden has ever "won" has been behind someone truly great having a terrible season. Do you honestly believe that your boy is a better rider than Rossi? Or Mat Mlladin? Come on! Both times he had unarguably the most dominant bikes and it still required 4-6 dnfs by Rossi/Mlladin for him to win a championship.

So the almighty Rossi or Mladin are the only racers that matter??? Really? Come the fuck on now. You did know there was a 18 bike grid you know. Just because Rossi had problems on the M1, means Hayden could go out on an empty track and race himself? How about Capirrossi, Melandri, Roberts, Edwards, a rising Stoner? No? That doesnt matter? Hmmmm.....

And where the fuck are you guys getting on about this "oh, he ran 3-5 all season long.... he slipped into a championship" bullcrap??? Lets see here... 2 wins, 4 seconds, 5 thirds. Thats 11 out of 17 podiums???? Maybe one more if pedro-fag wouldnt have taken him out. And I do believe the point system is intact so that the most consistant rider wins the championship. If you want Vale to win by default by winning the most races and DNF'ing the rest, you guys can go suck F1 and FIA's c**k. Maybe then they will come fuck up one more points system.

Has Hayden blown big the past 2.5 years, YES. Does he deserve a replica, NO!

[marko138]

So because Nicky is fan friendly he deserves a replica edition? I don't give a shit what he does off the track. On the track he isn't that good compared to the rest of the field. When he start performing as well as Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Stoner, Rossi, or even Divizioso, then I'll buy the idea of a replica. It is Duc's chance to cash in on his fame though.

Congrats. You've just figured it out. It doesn't matter how good any one guy is or is not. Ducati, at the end of the day, needs to sell motorcycles to stay in business. Just as all motorcycle companies need to do and all businesses need to do. They've got a popular racer on their team and have an opportunity to make some cash using his likeness. Business 101. Doesn't matter if he 'deserves' a replica or not.

[Dave]

so when does the starbucks edition come out?

[Amber Lamps]

Let's not get carried away. Im no Nicky fanboy. I would defend someone like Vermulen in the same manner. He has a WSBK championship and kicked ass over there. Yet hasn't done jack in GP. It doesn't mean he is washed up or talentless or anything. And I also said never said none of you could have an opinion. Only that I did not agree with it. And won't. There is another thread similar to this is regards to Stoner on another forum. People complaining about his lack of interest in fans and dead pan personality. Here is what a WMRC and OMRRA multi time #1 plate holder had to say about it.....



As someone who races I just have a different perspective. You guys can love him or hate him. I don't give a shit. But to show a total lack of respect for a guy and justifying your opinion based on statistics is still missing the point. And I will give another comparison. If any of you follow motocross/supercross Chad Reed is a good example. His Supercross championships came with RC and/or Bubba misssing. So people dog him. I don't like him AT ALL. But he deserves those titles IMO because he was the best of who was out there. And while maybe those guys aren't in the same league as Bubba or RC they are still stupid fucken fast and Chad had to beat them.

And it was prob said by a guy who has never raced a lap in his life. That shit irritates me (as a racer) is all.

Dude this post is full of, "I'm a racer or he's a racer so he should know" bullshit. You think that because someone spends a couple hundred a weekend club racing that his "perspective" on MotoGp or racing in general is more valid than someone who hasn't. Well, I did some club racing back in the day, NOW is my opinion valid? Hayden and his fans have a bucket load of excuses to explain why he can't win. I love it because I predicted this in an old thread. They are already breaking out the "Ducati developed that bike for Stoner" excuse. I wonder about that, since Casey wasn't their "A" rider when he won his championship... BTW everyone is judged statistically, you're not a great pick up artist if you only fuck one hot chick. :lol:

Btw I agree that Chad deserved the championships he got but it's the shit that he talks in between the races that makes me dislike him. He won't just acknowledge that Stewart is better than he is. I believe that James is racing a couple outdoors this season, I can't wait to watch him completely smoke Chad Reed.

[Amber Lamps]

So the almighty Rossi or Mladin are the only racers that matter??? Really? Come the fuck on now. You did know there was a 18 bike grid you know. Just because Rossi had problems on the M1, means Hayden could go out on an empty track and race himself? How about Capirrossi, Melandri, Roberts, Edwards, a rising Stoner? No? That doesnt matter? Hmmmm.....

And where the fuck are you guys getting on about this "oh, he ran 3-5 all season long.... he slipped into a championship" bullcrap??? Lets see here... 2 wins, 4 seconds, 5 thirds. Thats 11 out of 17 podiums???? Maybe one more if pedro-fag wouldnt have taken him out. And I do believe the point system is intact so that the most consistant rider wins the championship. If you want Vale to win by default by winning the most races and DNF'ing the rest, you guys can go suck F1 and FIA's c**k. Maybe then they will come fuck up one more points system.

Has Hayden blown big the past 2.5 years, YES. Does he deserve a replica, NO!

Ah what do you know? You don't even own a bike....:lol: Hahahaha! That's my point, EVERYONE watching has a right to an opinion. This guy started this with his, "I race so I should know" attitude. If you televise yourself fucking your woman, even if I was a virgin, I'm allowed to have an opinion on your performance. :lol: Besides winning the most races wouldn't be my idea of winning the championship by default...

[Rider]

Congrats. You've just figured it out. It doesn't matter how good any one guy is or is not. Ducati, at the end of the day, needs to sell motorcycles to stay in business. Just as all motorcycle companies need to do and all businesses need to do. They've got a popular racer on their team and have an opportunity to make some cash using his likeness. Business 101. Doesn't matter if he 'deserves' a replica or not.

You have to do whatever you can to stay in the game with the current economy. Having a Hayden edition Duc might sway a few riders. Honestly I'd rather see a Bayliss edition 848 though. He's not American, but he is just as popular if not more than Nicky. Maybe just a standard Marlboro/Alice replica, not rider specific.

[Homeslice]

Stoner has the personality of a gnome and that's probably why Ducati figure nobody would want to buy a Stoner replica paint job.


Pretty much. Being "deserving" has very little to do with it.

[marko138]

You have to do whatever you can to stay in the game with the current economy. Having a Hayden edition Duc might sway a few riders. Honestly I'd rather see a Bayliss edition 848 though. He's not American, but he is just as popular if not more than Nicky. Maybe just a standard Marlboro/Alice replica, not rider specific.
I'm with you on that.

[Dave]

You have to do whatever you can to stay in the game with the current economy. Having a Hayden edition Duc might sway a few riders. Honestly I'd rather see a Bayliss edition 848 though. He's not American, but he is just as popular if not more than Nicky. Maybe just a standard Marlboro/Alice replica, not rider specific.

bayliss 848 makes less sense than the 1198 they gave us

[tached1000rr]

Perhaps the folks down under will have a Stoner edition 848 while the USA gets the Nicky version. I'm sure Ducati marketing felt good about this project, it's their money so:?: No one is being forced to buy one.....

[Speedracer42]

And it was prob said by a guy who has never raced a lap in his life. That shit irritates me (as a racer) is all.

Dude this post is full of, "I'm a racer or he's a racer so he should know" bullshit. You think that because someone spends a couple hundred a weekend club racing that his "perspective" on MotoGp or racing in general is more valid than someone who hasn't. Well, I did some club racing back in the day, NOW is my opinion valid? Hayden and his fans have a bucket load of excuses to explain why he can't win. I love it because I predicted this in an old thread. They are already breaking out the "Ducati developed that bike for Stoner" excuse. I wonder about that, since Casey wasn't their "A" rider when he won his championship... BTW everyone is judged statistically, you're not a great pick up artist if you only fuck one hot chick. :lol:

Btw I agree that Chad deserved the championships he got but it's the shit that he talks in between the races that makes me dislike him. He won't just acknowledge that Stewart is better than he is. I believe that James is racing a couple outdoors this season, I can't wait to watch him completely smoke Chad Reed.

I do think an opinion on a racers performance is more valid from someone who has raced. You ever see a surgery on tv? Like on "Life in the ER" or a show like that? If you are a plumber and because it is televised your opinion on the docs performance is now valid? People can and should have opinions. But I will certainly put more weight on one's opinion than others. If a newb posted a question on which bike to get and an MSF instructor, a trackday instructor, and a guy who has been riding for 3 days all posted their opinions who's are you more likely to listen to?

And I agree 100% with your sentiments on Reed. This year James doesn't need to be there. Plenty of other guys are showing him the way.

[marko138]

I dont put stock in anything Tigger says. Dude is a hot air balloon.

[Big Kahuna]

Wow, when did this thread go EPIC??????

:?:

[Trip]

As someone who races I just have a different perspective. You guys can love him or hate him. I don't give a shit. But to show a total lack of respect for a guy and justifying your opinion based on statistics is still missing the point. And I will give another comparison. If any of you follow motocross/supercross Chad Reed is a good example. His Supercross championships came with RC and/or Bubba misssing. So people dog him. I don't like him AT ALL. But he deserves those titles IMO because he was the best of who was out there. And while maybe those guys aren't in the same league as Bubba or RC they are still stupid fucken fast and Chad had to beat them.

I don't give a shit about how they deal with fans, that can be argued. He is a product and if he isn't making himself a sellable item by screwing over the base he is trying to sell to, it could land him in trouble keeping a job if he isn't performing on the track. Casey doesn't have this problem yet as he has performed decently.

How much is that respect worth really? The respect that I would show a athlete for an ability be it natural, environmental, or learned would be very minimal. Showing lack of respect for this ability, wouldn't take much because the level of respect is that of a circus clown that is the best at his job. They aren't US military soldiers risking their lives for our freedom or curing someone of cancer, they are putting on a show to entertain the masses. It's that simple. Respect is minimal at best, so showing a lack of it for statistics would not be outrageous in any means.

I don't put the same worth on the ability to ride a motorcycle, so it isn't offensive to discuss the quality of moto gp riders as statistics.

[Amber Lamps]

I do think an opinion on a racers performance is more valid from someone who has raced. You ever see a surgery on tv? Like on "Life in the ER" or a show like that? If you are a plumber and because it is televised your opinion on the docs performance is now valid? People can and should have opinions. But I will certainly put more weight on one's opinion than others. If a newb posted a question on which bike to get and an MSF instructor, a trackday instructor, and a guy who has been riding for 3 days all posted their opinions who's are you more likely to listen to?

And I agree 100% with your sentiments on Reed. This year James doesn't need to be there. Plenty of other guys are showing him the way.

Well, if the question is who's a better surgeon, Dr Jones or Dr Smith and the plumber has watched 1,000 surgeries with both of these doctors, has all of their success/failure charts, he might know something...:lol:

What bike to get is a subjective question full of opinion and conjecture. Who is a better racer is a statistical question easily answered with facts. Example, who's a better racer Hayden or Stoner? Easy Stoner had more wins in 2007 than Hayden has in almost 6 years or racing. Regardless of who you are or what you do, you can't change the facts and Hayden has been sucking it for the past few years period. End of story. This is a matter of fact not opinion. I don't care if you are Agostini, you're "professional" opinion isn't going to change that. In '06 Rossi had 3 DNFs, an 8th, a 13th and a 14th and Nicky still only won the championship by 5 points...:lol:

Oh and yea the situation with Reed is funny to me, he just won his 1st outdoor race the other day now that Villipoto and Alessi are out! Hahahaha!

[Amber Lamps]

I don't put the same worth on the ability to ride a motorcycle, so it isn't offensive to discuss the quality of moto gp riders as statistics.


Exactly, how else do you "measure" them? Just because you get on the track doesn't mean you can read the boards better than I can... The results are everything in racing IMHO, everything else is smoke and mirrors. Lots of people hate Pedrosa, they say he "stole" Nicky's ride and that he's an asshole or what ever but be that as it may, he still has won more races than Hayden, pure and simple and that is what counts at the end of the day. Whether you or your multiplate having buddy wish to believe that or not.

[The Awesome]

Exactly, how else do you "measure" them? Just because you get on the track doesn't mean you can read the boards better than I can... The results are everything in racing IMHO, everything else is smoke and mirrors.

In all sports, it's important to consider the circumstances when you try to evaluate how good an athlete really is. The stats only tell part of the story. Dan Marino doesn't have a superbowl ring, and Ben Roethlisberger has two. Roethlisberger isn't fit to carry Marino's jock strap, but if you compare the results, Ben has them and Dan does not.

In racing, you have to consider the equipment and team aspects, as well as the competition they face. Everybody wants to be champion when guys like Schumacher and Rossi are out on the track, not after they retire. A lot of the time, great riders can be hindered by inferior equipment. Hopkins is a good example of a rider that did very well with crappy equipment. Hayden is a good example of a guy that has been on the best equipment from the get go, and has a lot of circumstantial factors surrounding his only good season. The stats won't reflect those kinds of things, and that's why you have to look deeper if you want to get the whole picture.

[Trip]

In all sports, it's important to consider the circumstances when you try to evaluate how good an athlete really is. The stats only tell part of the story. Dan Marino doesn't have a superbowl ring, and Ben Roethlisberger has two. Roethlisberger isn't fit to carry Marino's jock strap, but if you compare the results, Ben has them and Dan does not.

In racing, you have to consider the equipment and team aspects, as well as the competition they face. Everybody wants to be champion when guys like Schumacher and Rossi are out on the track, not after they retire. A lot of the time, great riders can be hindered by inferior equipment. Hopkins is a good example of a rider that did very well with crappy equipment. Hayden is a good example of a guy that has been on the best equipment from the get go, and has a lot of circumstantial factors surrounding his only good season. The stats won't reflect those kinds of things, and that's why you have to look deeper if you want to get the whole picture.

Yeah and according to speed, you aren't qualified to examine if Ben can carry Dan's jock because you haven't played football on a high enough level. :nee:

[Amber Lamps]

In all sports, it's important to consider the circumstances when you try to evaluate how good an athlete really is. The stats only tell part of the story. Dan Marino doesn't have a superbowl ring, and Ben Roethlisberger has two. Roethlisberger isn't fit to carry Marino's jock strap, but if you compare the results, Ben has them and Dan does not.

In racing, you have to consider the equipment and team aspects, as well as the competition they face. Everybody wants to be champion when guys like Schumacher and Rossi are out on the track, not after they retire. A lot of the time, great riders can be hindered by inferior equipment. Hopkins is a good example of a rider that did very well with crappy equipment. Hayden is a good example of a guy that has been on the best equipment from the get go, and has a lot of circumstantial factors surrounding his only good season. The stats won't reflect those kinds of things, and that's why you have to look deeper if you want to get the whole picture.

Yea but so are Stoner and Rossi... I mean Stoner won his championship his first year with Ducati, his bike was "developed for someone else" wasn't it? Rossi won a championship his first year with Yamaha when everyone said it was impossible.

Statistics will show who has the best rider/bike combination for sure, I honestly believe that Rossi could win on almost any bike on the grid. A champion takes what he is given and finds a way to win! I actually like Hopper but do you mean to imply that he would be champion if only he had a chance on Ducati, Yamaha or Honda? I doubt it. My guess is that he's not very good at developing a bike which keeps him out of the big leagues. I think that's Nicky's problem as well honestly. I mean he was complaining of "lack of drive" out of the corners the other day...are you serious? The Ducati has a "lack of drive"...:lol:

[Amber Lamps]

Yeah and according to speed, you aren't qualified to examine if Ben can carry Dan's jock because you haven't played football on a high enough level. :nee:

Exactly! Who do you think you are?:lol:

[Porkchop]

Ah what do you know? You don't even own a bike....:lol: Hahahaha! That's my point, EVERYONE watching has a right to an opinion. This guy started this with his, "I race so I should know" attitude. If you televise yourself fucking your woman, even if I was a virgin, I'm allowed to have an opinion on your performance. :lol: Besides winning the most races wouldn't be my idea of winning the championship by default...

Really now........ i sold my bike to open my business. Dont result to low blows my friend. redflip

And by default, I mean illogical. Think about it. (This is purely hypothetical) If Vale wins 9 races and DNF's the other 8 races, and Stoner wins 8 races with 9 other podiums, and Vale wins the championship? How rediculous is that. Its that "if your not first your last" mentality. Why would anybody else race??? Honestly?

[Amber Lamps]

Really now........ i sold my bike to open my business. Dont result to low blows my friend. redflip

And by default, I mean illogical. Think about it. (This is purely hypothetical) If Vale wins 9 races and DNF's the other 8 races, and Stoner wins 8 races with 9 other podiums, and Vale wins the championship? How rediculous is that. Its that "if your not first your last" mentality. Why would anybody else race??? Honestly?

Very ridiculous because it can't happen that way... if Rossi wins 9 races and DNFs the rest, that's 225 points. If Stoner wins 8 races that's 200 points, if he stays in the top thirteen (13th is 3 points 9X3=27) for the other races he'll win the championship. I really don't know what you are talking about.:idk: 8 wins and 9 podiums would be a sensational season for any rider! It would be a minimum of 328 points! Shit, it would probably be one of the best seasons ever!

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[tommymac]

Remember ben bostrom won an AMA superbike title and I dont think he won a single race.

Tom

[Amber Lamps]

Remember ben bostrom won an AMA superbike title and I dont think he won a single race.

Tom

Yep, Andrew Pitt won a World Super Sport title without winning a race as well. In a way that's kinda sad... :(

[tommymac]

Yep, Andrew Pitt won a World Super Sport title without winning a race as well. In a way that's kinda sad... :(

Thats the nascrap mentality, dont crash out and just get points every week.

Tom

[Porkchop]

Very ridiculous because it can't happen that way... if Rossi wins 9 races and DNFs the rest, that's 225 points. If Stoner wins 8 races that's 200 points, if he stays in the top thirteen (13th is 3 points 9X3=27) for the other races he'll win the championship. I really don't know what you are talking about.:idk: 8 wins and 9 podiums would be a sensational season for any rider! It would be a minimum of 328 points! Shit, it would probably be one of the best seasons ever!


No... you totally missed the point. I was working back on why the new FIA/F1 system is rediculous and that wins shouldnt be everything, originally going back to whoever said that Nick didnt deserve the championship for being a 2-5 finisher.

[101lifts2]

I don't like Replicas for the fact they are too busy. I'll take an all white Duc any day of the week.

And for all u Nicky Haters...I've seen him ride at Laguna..the boy is fast and talented, but to think a GP championship is nothing, ur full of sheeeeeeit. This year he just can't the Duc setup correctly from everything I've read and heard.

[Amber Lamps]

I don't like Replicas for the fact they are too busy. I'll take an all white Duc any day of the week.

And for all u Nicky Haters...I've seen him ride at Laguna..the boy is fast and talented, but to think a GP championship is nothing, ur full of sheeeeeeit. This year he just can't the Duc setup correctly from everything I've read and heard.

Yea, yea and last year it was Honda's fault... No wait, it's the tires... no wait, it's Alberto Puch's fault... no wait, it's Dani Pedrosa's fault... Whatever...

[marko138]

Yea, yea and last year it was Honda's fault... No wait, it's the tires... no wait, it's Alberto Puch's fault... no wait, it's Dani Pedrosa's fault... Whatever...
No, it's YOUR fault.

[pdog]

There aren't many people who've beaten Mat Mladin fair and square. Nick is one of the few. I hope we see him and Spies battling together next year.

[Amber Lamps]

There aren't many people who've beaten Mat Mladin fair and square. Nick is one of the few. I hope we see him and Spies battling together next year.


RC-51 vs GSXR750... yep fair and square. Mlladin didn't win a single race that year, the AMA wouldn't allow the new GSXR1000 on the track until 2003, and the Honda won almost every race. As soon as the rules put everyone on like cc machines, Honda has hardly won a single race. Hmmm...:idk:

[Smittie61984]

I like plain looking bikes more than over the top designs. But for what it is I like it.