View Full Version : Left foot out on left handed turns
tached1000rr
07-05-2009, 05:06 PM
Ok, I don't get to see all races but the 1st person I've seen do this was Rossi, now I see quite a few riders doing it. It's funny how others imitate what the successful guy does. So how long before I see guys on the street sticking their left foot out on those left hand turns lol.
HokieDNA01
07-05-2009, 05:08 PM
I have been wondering what that was about too. First time I saw them doing it, it was raining so I though maybe that had something to do with it. Now I'm just confused. What is the point of that technique?
Amber Lamps
07-05-2009, 05:14 PM
I have been wondering what that was about too. First time I saw them doing it, it was raining so I though maybe that had something to do with it. Now I'm just confused. What is the point of that technique?
I don't know but I'm gonna try it!:lol: I mean someone started the knees out technique, backing it in, etc...:idk:
Dnyce
07-05-2009, 05:15 PM
like motard style?
itgirl
07-05-2009, 05:20 PM
at the speed these guys are going wouldn't that be a great way to snap your ankle?
tached1000rr
07-05-2009, 05:23 PM
like motard style?
not quite, it's basically taking their foot off the peg and it's still bent like if it were on there, but it's hanging off the side right next to the peg, they tip in and then put it back on the peg, if that makes any sense.
itgirl
07-05-2009, 05:26 PM
not quite, it's basically taking their foot off the peg and it's still bent like if it were on there, but it's hanging off the side right next to the peg, they tip in and then put it back on the peg, if that makes any sense.
so it isn't getting planted or really making contact with the surface then? guess that would make a difference.
tached1000rr
07-05-2009, 05:27 PM
so it isn't getting planted or really making contact with the surface then? guess that would make a difference.
that's correct the foot never touches the ground
fnfalman
07-05-2009, 05:58 PM
The Doctor can do whatever he likes. Stoner is trying to immitate him now with the left foot hanging out.
But for the rest of the lesser mortals, the left foot should remain on the left peg.
I've heard that its for balance.
Its also only in long straights that they do it. I guess it could help the turning of the bike by bringing your leg off the peg you through off the center of gravity and it helps pull the bike into the turn tighter...at least that is what i can gather from what I know about physics...which isn't much:D
t-homo
07-05-2009, 06:32 PM
From what I've heard, as they are coming off of the straights into hard left handers, it allows them to be hard on the brakes and centered on the bike but also get their weight off to the left of the bike to start turn in a bit sooner.
zippychickie636
07-05-2009, 06:45 PM
lets see a pic of this left foot debauchery
t-homo
07-05-2009, 07:09 PM
http://resources.motogp.com/files/images/xy/2009/MotoGP/n498581_ROSSI01_2.preview_big.jpg
zippychickie636
07-05-2009, 07:13 PM
That's what i call service!....butttt he's kinda giving off the whole..I'm about to mark my territory vibe:confused:
Rossi started doing awhile back. It made a comeback with the 800 this season. They are using it to sort of correct the bike and make it easier for turn in from what I have been told by racers. It's something to do with these bikes.
or maybe taking up more room so it's harder to pass?
Amber Lamps
07-05-2009, 08:01 PM
hey wasn't that his right foot btw?:lol:
Just watched the Fox coverage, which sucked, but the announcers said it was to correct the bikes for corner entry. They sucked, I wanted to punch the american announcer.
Amber Lamps
07-05-2009, 08:14 PM
Just watched the Fox coverage, which sucked, but the announcers said it was to correct the bikes for corner entry. They sucked, I wanted to punch the american announcer.
Who Scott Russell? :lol: Yea they should just let Lee Diffie do his thing! Again please someone kill Greg White!
hey wasn't that his right foot btw?:lol:
can't be, it's on the left side of the picture. ;)
r1chica
07-05-2009, 08:23 PM
Rossi will stick a foot out in either direction. Can't find the interview but from what I remember, its to help with braking and body position going into a turn. From a strategy perspective, it also effectively doubles the width of his bike when he does that and shuts down the inside line. Now he didn't say THAT was why he was doing it, but I'm sure it won't be long until we see kids at the local tracks doing it too :lol:
JoJoYZF
07-05-2009, 08:23 PM
hey wasn't that his right foot btw?:lol:
My exact thought
Amber Lamps
07-05-2009, 10:09 PM
My exact thought
Like I said, everyone was WTF when Roberts started putting his knee out in corners so...
pickle.of.doom
07-05-2009, 11:00 PM
he has been asked about it many times... he says he is just adjusting his leathers... all that braking force into the corners gets your panties twisted in a bit of a wad sometimes :)
Avatard
07-06-2009, 12:15 AM
I'm sure everyone here knows about countersteer. Push on the left bar, go left (not right as many might assume). Try this: Stomp your left peg, and see what happens. Yep, that's right, you turn left.
In fact, the fastest way to change direction (a lifesaver when some fucktard pulls out in front of you on the street) is to both push the left bar, and stomp the left peg, at the same time.
I'm just guessing here, but think the doctor may be using this phenomenon to his advantage to make the bike turn in faster...
Avatard
07-06-2009, 12:17 AM
...oh, and he's coming off the ball of his foot, and moving to the toes, to maximize clearance (this is also the default position for pocketbike racing, the form of racing that Rossi came from). He may just be stretching his leg before he tucks it in.
I'm sure everyone here knows about countersteer. Push on the left bar, go left (not right as many might assume). Try this: Stomp your left peg, and see what happens. Yep, that's right, you turn left.
In fact, the fastest way to change direction (a lifesaver when some fucktard pulls out in front of you on the street) is to both push the left bar, and stomp the left peg, at the same time.
I'm just guessing here, but think the doctor may be using this phenomenon to his advantage to make the bike turn in faster...
in the picture provided though, it looks like they are going into a right hand turn and his right foot is off the peg.
Avatard
07-06-2009, 01:28 AM
in the picture provided though, it looks like they are going into a right hand turn and his right foot is off the peg.
Which is entirely congruent with what I'm saying.
Stomp the right peg, and you turn right.
zippychickie636
07-06-2009, 05:41 AM
he has been asked about it many times... he says he is just adjusting his leathers... all that braking force into the corners gets your panties twisted in a bit of a wad sometimes :)
lol.
Tmall
07-06-2009, 06:52 AM
But! If you push on the right peg, and the left bar.. The bike handles like most people never would have dreamed..
That is the single best thing I have ever learned about riding a motorcycle.
Papa_Complex
07-06-2009, 07:45 AM
I think that I'm going to agree with the "he's making his bike twice as wide" crowd on this. It's the inside leg and no one is going to try diving inside of you when your leg is hanging out in space. The couple of times that I've seen him do it, it has looked more like he was hanging it out there in case he lost the rear on braking.
Amber Lamps
07-06-2009, 08:10 AM
Man I don't know! I weight the pegs going into corners, with my foot off, I'm not sure how that would feel... besides, why not do it all the time? It seems they only do it once in a while. I'm starting a new category, Rossi started doing it as a joke to see if everyone would copy him.:lol:
Which is entirely congruent with what I'm saying.
Stomp the right peg, and you turn right.
Nah, he's not stomping, he could do that without lifting the leg. If you watch it, it's a very slow movement to stick the leg out and not something you would do if you were stomping with the other side. Almost looks like he is doing a stablization movement as if he was walking a wire in the circus.
Nah, he's not stomping, he could do that without lifting the leg. If you watch it, it's a very slow movement to stick the leg out and not something you would do if you were stomping with the other side. Almost looks like he is doing a stablization movement as if he was walking a wire in the circus.
that's what it looks like just looking at the picture but I'm still going with making his bike wider going into the corner like I said earlier.
that's what it looks like just looking at the picture but I'm still going with making his bike wider going into the corner like I said earlier.
They do it in practice when no ones around them, there is something else to it besides that. I have seen Rossi do it while he is a good ways in the lead with no one around him.
he has been asked about it many times... he says he is just adjusting his leathers... all that braking force into the corners gets your panties twisted in a bit of a wad sometimes :)
id buy that, i do something similar to smooth out creases and twists in the leg of my jeans. why not?
Rider
07-06-2009, 10:21 AM
I heard a while back that Rossi started doing it because it helped him brake harder for late braking. Looks silly but if you are VR you can do whatever the fuck you want and no one is going to make fun of you.
Papa_Complex
07-06-2009, 10:36 AM
Which is entirely congruent with what I'm saying.
Stomp the right peg, and you turn right.
I tried the whole "body steering" vs. "counter steering" thing years back and figured out that all body steering was doing, was imparting a sloppy counter steer input to the handlebars. It took a fair bit of on-track analysis to come to that conclusion, but eventually I got there. Code ultimately proved the superiority of counter steering with his body steering bike, but I got there before him :lol:
z06boy
07-06-2009, 10:38 AM
It's catching on around the world.
http://www.parish-without-borders.net/cditt/cambodia/dailylife/2006/graphics/motordupe32.jpg
tached1000rr
07-06-2009, 11:54 AM
It's catching on around the world.
http://www.parish-without-borders.net/cditt/cambodia/dailylife/2006/graphics/motordupe32.jpg
:lol
r1chica
07-06-2009, 12:54 PM
:lol
JoJoYZF
07-06-2009, 01:05 PM
Man I don't know! I weight the pegs going into corners, with my foot off, I'm not sure how that would feel... besides, why not do it all the time? It seems they only do it once in a while. I'm starting a new category, Rossi started doing it as a joke to see if everyone would copy him.:lol:
I like this new thought. Thatd be awesome if after a win he told everyone in the interview thats why he did it.
zippychickie636
07-06-2009, 03:33 PM
I like this new thought. Thatd be awesome if after a win he told everyone in the interview thats why he did it.
lol hell yea
meh prolly just trying to unstick his nuts from his inner thigh. Gotta be hot in those leathers
'73 H1 Triple
07-06-2009, 09:13 PM
Did Rossi ever ride dirt bike? I'll learned to ride motorcycle off road. It's a very effective way to help keep your balance.
But I do like the possibility that he's playing mind games.. Later he gets to say :wtfru:
Jeff
t-homo
07-06-2009, 09:20 PM
I'm still going with the assessment that trip and I had.
t-homo
07-06-2009, 09:22 PM
I tried the whole "body steering" vs. "counter steering" thing years back and figured out that all body steering was doing, was imparting a sloppy counter steer input to the handlebars. It took a fair bit of on-track analysis to come to that conclusion, but eventually I got there. Code ultimately proved the superiority of counter steering with his body steering bike, but I got there before him :lol:
So do you sit straight up in the seat when you go through corners or not put any input to the handlebars at all?
How I do it is use my body for the majority of steering, then use countersteering to make minor adjustments to my line.
Papa_Complex
07-06-2009, 09:26 PM
So do you sit straight up in the seat when you go through corners or not put any input to the handlebars at all?
How I do it is use my body for the majority of steering, then use countersteering to make minor adjustments to my line.
Counter steering induces lean. Lean makes you corner. Centre of gravity alters lean once it has been created, which changes your line.
You can induce lean by yanking your whole body to the side but the amount that you induce will be small when compared to what you get from counter steering and the faster you go, the less lean you can get that way because of gyroscopic stabilization.
Trust me here; it isn't your body that's making the major inputs.
101lifts2
07-06-2009, 10:49 PM
I think in an interview Valentino said it helps prepare for the corner and didn't turn the bike any faster.
I think he has gas and is just helping the fart out faster
racedoll
07-11-2009, 10:54 PM
I've seen Bayliss do this the last couple years. The first couple times I thought maybe he did it to pysch the person out behind him to thrown them off their game a little and allow him to get a better lead.
Never saw Rossi do it, but I don't watch MotoGP very much, mainly WSBK.
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