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Bassplayer
07-07-2009, 04:29 AM
Hey guys,
for all who dont know... my Im in a new band, Jawbone Massacre, we'll be posting up some new recordings up soon....

keep an eye and ear out for us.

We're a Christian Metal band, (i kno i kno.. oxymoron) but really... anyways

be checkin out the page for more info and recordings...

http://www.myspace.com/jawbonemassacre

t-homo
07-07-2009, 06:47 AM
Badass, dude.

askmrjesus
07-07-2009, 09:07 AM
Hey guys,
for all who dont know... my Im in a new band, Jawbone Massacre, we'll be posting up some new recordings up soon....

keep an eye and ear out for us.

We're a Christian Metal band, (i kno i kno.. oxymoron) but really... anyways


Ok, don't tell people you're a Christian metal band, it's been done to death, and people might confuse you with Stryper:

http://www.stryper.com/images/promo-reborn1.jpg

See, how scary is that?

I have a better idea. Making it big in the music biz, means you have to stand out, so create your own genre. Ready?

GOSPEL THRASH!

Couple that, with referring to each other by creepy sounding German names, and an overall mass-murder theme, and you can't lose.

Hell, I'm an atheist, but I'd go to see that band, just to see if they could keep up the weird.

JC

marko138
07-07-2009, 09:10 AM
Good luck with the new gig bro.

Trip
07-07-2009, 09:29 AM
Hell, I'm an atheist, but I'd go to see that band, just to see if they could keep up the weird.

JC

So you gave up on yourself, that's no way to go through life. Your dad would not approve.

askmrjesus
07-07-2009, 09:57 AM
So you gave up on yourself, that's no way to go through life.

Yeah, but I'm dead, what do I care?

JC

Trip
07-07-2009, 10:14 AM
Yeah, but I'm dead, what do I care?

JC

Zombie headshot?

askmrjesus
07-07-2009, 10:52 AM
Zombie headshot?

No, Tetnus.

JC

AquaPython
07-07-2009, 10:55 AM
jebus would not approve of a massacre of anyone. unless of course they were non believers, and needed to be cleansed. but other than that, none shall be massacred! it just isn't christian.

askmrjesus
07-07-2009, 11:03 AM
jebus would not approve of a massacre of anyone. unless of course they were non believers, and needed to be cleansed. but other than that, none shall be massacred! it just isn't christian.

Hey, the Philistines had it coming.

All we did was ask them to get circumcised, but no, they had to be dicks about it.

JC

AquaPython
07-07-2009, 11:08 AM
ha

Rider
07-07-2009, 11:16 AM
Congrats man post up some tunes. While I hate christian metal...um wait I hate anything christian... I'd be interested in hearing your band.

askmrjesus
07-07-2009, 11:18 AM
Congrats man post up some tunes. While I hate christian metal...um wait I hate anything christian... I'd be interested in hearing your band.

See?

Gospel Thrash is the wave of the future.

JC

Avatard
07-07-2009, 11:45 AM
See?

Gospel Thrash is the wave of the future.

JC

:rockwoot:

Rider
07-07-2009, 12:01 PM
See?

Gospel Thrash is the wave of the future.

JC

http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/250/draft_lens2333751module13084699photo_1229549310pen tagram20levi.jpg

askmrjesus
07-07-2009, 12:20 PM
http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/250/draft_lens2333751module13084699photo_1229549310pen tagram20levi.jpg

I'm reporting you:

http://www.mulerights.net/S-PAN.html

JC

marko138
07-07-2009, 12:44 PM
Congrats man post up some tunes. While I hate christian metal...um wait I hate anything christian... I'd be interested in hearing your band.
You're not into As I Lay Dying? While, I'm not into "christian metal" per se...ASID is pretty bad ass.

askmrjesus
07-07-2009, 12:50 PM
You're not into As I Lay Dying? While, I'm not into "christian metal" per se...ASID is pretty bad ass.

Yeah, if you need wallpaper to match your curtains, ASID ROCKS! :rockwoot:


http://www.asid.org/about/

JC

Rider
07-07-2009, 12:53 PM
You're not into As I Lay Dying? While, I'm not into "christian metal" per se...ASID is pretty bad ass.

I listen to them.... And yes they are good.

marko138
07-07-2009, 12:54 PM
I listen to them.... And yes they are good.
I thought you did.

Rider
07-07-2009, 12:58 PM
I thought you did.

http://www.vimeo.com/1325845

askmrjesus
07-07-2009, 01:06 PM
Someone should put a leash on that guy before he bites somebody.

JC

Rider
07-07-2009, 01:11 PM
More

http://www.vimeo.com/4473508

marko138
07-07-2009, 02:29 PM
More

http://www.vimeo.com/4473508
Confined is a favorite of mine.

Rider
07-07-2009, 02:33 PM
I just acquired tickets to the July 27th KSE/Job For a Cowboy/Whitechapel show

SteveP
07-07-2009, 03:08 PM
Christian metal - I fuckin HATE that term.

Why not just be a metal band? Afraid you might actually be judged by your skill level and not your loyalty to a dead guy and his invisible dad?

As I Lay Dying kicks all kinds of ass :rockwoot:

Rider
07-07-2009, 03:10 PM
Christian metal - I fuckin HATE that term.

Why not just be a metal band? Afraid you might actually be judged by your skill level and not your loyalty to a dead guy and his invisible dad?

As I Lay Dying kicks all kinds of ass :rockwoot:

Not Christan metal. They just happen to be a metal band of all christian members. :rockwoot::rockwoot:

Avatard
07-07-2009, 03:11 PM
Someone should put a leash on that guy before he bites somebody.

JC

http://www.poopnugget.com/files/gothopatamus.jpg

SteveP
07-07-2009, 03:12 PM
Not Christan metal. They just happen to be a metal band of all christian members. :rockwoot::rockwoot:

I was referring to the OP. :boobs:

Avatard
07-07-2009, 03:14 PM
Christian metal - I fuckin HATE that term.

Why not just be a metal band? Afraid you might actually be judged by your skill level and not your loyalty to a dead guy and his invisible dad?

As I Lay Dying kicks all kinds of ass :rockwoot:

Say it with pictures...

http://www.poopnugget.com/files/christianity.jpg

Rider
07-07-2009, 03:16 PM
Say it with pictures...

http://www.poopnugget.com/files/christianity.jpg

I need this as a t-shirt.

AquaPython
07-07-2009, 03:28 PM
Say it with pictures...

http://www.poopnugget.com/files/christianity.jpg

:lol

SteveP
07-07-2009, 03:30 PM
Say it with pictures...

http://www.poopnugget.com/files/christianity.jpg

I love this LOL

tommymac
07-07-2009, 03:52 PM
I need this as a t-shirt.

make that 2 please.

Tom

Bassplayer
07-08-2009, 02:26 AM
:lol:

Most of the Christian faith is hard to swallow for most, i know..
but hey its my faith.
And I take it seriously. I dont mind the jokes, its actually really funny.

Our name comes from Judges 15, in the Bible, where Samson "massacres" a thousand men with a jawbone of a donkey.

I like that term JC, Gospel Thrash, I might use it.. :lol:

Trip
07-08-2009, 08:15 AM
:lol:

Most of the Christian faith is hard to swallow for most, i know..
but hey its my faith.
And I take it seriously. I dont mind the jokes, its actually really funny.

Our name comes from Judges 15, in the Bible, where Samson "massacres" a thousand men with a jawbone of a donkey.

I like that term JC, Gospel Thrash, I might use it.. :lol:

Yeah, don't mind these guys. Most of them are as annoying as Jehovah's Witnesses with the way they preach just like who they hate.

Bassplayer
07-08-2009, 02:57 PM
Yeah, don't mind these guys. Most of them are as annoying as Jehovah's Witnesses with the way they preach just like who they hate.

Its all good, just wanted to promote some good ol American thrash metal is all :)

Rider
07-08-2009, 03:06 PM
Its all good, just wanted to promote some good ol American thrash metal is all :)

Love the name, it's pretty metal even if it did come from the bible.

SteveP
07-08-2009, 06:43 PM
Its all good, just wanted to promote some good ol American thrash metal is all :)

Then why did you call it christian metal?

Bassplayer
07-08-2009, 07:25 PM
Then why did you call it christian metal?

Cuz it is... with Christian oriented lyrics

Avatard
07-09-2009, 09:01 AM
If other bands write shit that has a predominance of a certain subject, do they call their bands likewise? Like, if my band writes love songs, would we have to call it love-metal?

:skep:

Rider
07-09-2009, 09:09 AM
If other bands write shit that has a predominance of a certain subject, do they call their bands likewise? Like, if my band writes love songs, would we have to call it love-metal?

:skep:

Ever heard of Death Metal? Black Metal? How about Horror Metal? Or even Satanic Metal? I think your example fails. Lots of metal bands are classified by subject matter.

Amber Lamps
07-09-2009, 09:13 AM
Yeah, don't mind these guys. Most of them are as annoying as Jehovah's Witnesses with the way they preach just like who they hate.

Yea exactly, they spit on your faith while demanding respect for their lack of one. Although if your lead singer has a similar style to the band posted, your message won't get across very well... I didn't understand a single word!:lol:

Amber Lamps
07-09-2009, 09:16 AM
:lol:

Most of the Christian faith is hard to swallow for most, i know..
but hey its my faith.
And I take it seriously. I dont mind the jokes, its actually really funny.

Our name comes from Judges 15, in the Bible, where Samson "massacres" a thousand men with a jawbone of a donkey.

I like that term JC, Gospel Thrash, I might use it.. :lol:

Yea I got that, it's as good a name as any. Hell, you might have used "Jars of Clay", so yea this is way better!:lol:

Trip
07-09-2009, 09:22 AM
This isn't the fucking war room. This guy just came in here to show his band. It doesn't need to be a fucking argument cause he wants to play a certain genre. How can you even remotely complain about religions pushing shit on you when you are doing the same shit to him? Keep this shit out of the main board.

marko138
07-09-2009, 09:24 AM
This isn't the fucking war room. This guy just came in here to show his band. It doesn't need to be a fucking argument cause he wants to play a certain genre. How can you even remotely complain about religions pushing shit on you when you are doing the same shit to him? Keep this shit out of the main board.
Fuck em up, boss.

Avatard
07-09-2009, 09:30 AM
Fair enough. I wasn't the first to say anything, but I was dog-piling. I actually have no beef against Christian Metal, I was kinda just playing devil's advocate. I apologize.

Trip
07-09-2009, 09:34 AM
Fuck em up, boss.

I don't really want to. Sure if it is a news article about a group abusing shit like the guy with the mansion, I can see bashing them. Bassplayer hasn't done shit to anyone and they start blasting him for being christian and playing music about it. I am not going to put up with that shit. I would do the same if an atheist on this board was getting attacked by the christians on the board. This is a site about motorcycles, if we are going to run someone off, it's cause they are a douchey squid :lol:

This goes back to if you want to argue facts or faith, go for it. Do it in an appropriate thread in the war room, but don't just bash a member.

Trip
07-09-2009, 09:36 AM
Fair enough. I wasn't the first to say anything, but I was dog-piling. I actually have no beef against Christian Metal, I was kinda just playing devil's advocate. I apologize.

no problem, i know you didn't start. I just wanted to stop it before it got out of control.

Avatard
07-09-2009, 09:37 AM
Trip...when you're right, you're right. Again, I apologize for my role in this.


...And Bassplayer; congrats on the new band, but consider marketing yourself just a "Metal". King's X was nearly marketed as "Christian", but chose to keep it mainstream, and I think it served them well. It won't narrow your reach as much. A lot of people won't even give a Christian band a chance. You'll reach more people if you just write what you feel, and let people take from it what they will.

Consider it.

askmrjesus
07-09-2009, 09:38 AM
Ever heard of Death Metal? Black Metal? How about Horror Metal? Or even Satanic Metal? I think your example fails. Lots of metal bands are classified by subject matter.

That maybe true, but it's all bullshit. Can you define the differences in cadence and melody between "Death Metal" and "Horror Metal" ? No. You're a rock band that sings about zombies.

Christian rock is labeled as such, so Christians who like rock and roll, can listen to the sound that appeals to them, without feeling guilty about it.

JC

Trip
07-09-2009, 09:41 AM
Trip...when you're right, you're right. Again, I apologize for my role in this.

Yeah I know it happens, I get carried away easy too. I'm a hypocrit, :lol:

That's why I don't really have "punishments" on this forum. Just ask or do something stupid like change your username or avatar.

Rider
07-09-2009, 09:43 AM
That maybe true, but it's all bullshit. Can you define the differences in cadence and melody between "Death Metal" and "Horror Metal" ? No. You're a rock band that sings about zombies.

Christian rock is labeled as such, so Christians who like rock and roll, can listen to the sound that appeals to them, without feeling guilty about it.

JC

There are minute differences in tone, speed, and lyrics. Some of the genre's specifically omit guitar solo's. If you listen to all metal types a lot you can tell the difference, but your right, to the casual observer, they would appear to be very very similar.

Avatard
07-09-2009, 09:43 AM
Christian rock is labeled as such, so Christians who like rock and roll, can listen to the sound that appeals to them, without feeling guilty about it.

JC

This much IS true.

But for every Christian you absolve from this guilt with that label, you probably turn off another 4 people. This thread should serve as evidence of that.

That's why I suggested just letting the music speak for itself, and avoid the labels.

AquaPython
07-09-2009, 09:46 AM
no labels? but then we wont know who to blame for our children!

Trip
07-09-2009, 09:51 AM
no labels? but then we wont know who to blame for our children!

why canada of course. BLAME CANADA! With their floppy heads and squity eyes.

askmrjesus
07-09-2009, 10:24 AM
There are minute differences in tone, speed, and lyrics. Some of the genre's specifically omit guitar solo's. If you listen to all metal types a lot you can tell the difference, but your right, to the casual observer, they would appear to be very very similar.

Ok, so what happens when a "Speed Metal" band records a ballad?

Do they become a "Speed Limit" band?

Personally, I think all these titles are just bullshit made up by so called music critics, who can't think of a more creative way of explaining a certain sound.

JC

Rider
07-09-2009, 10:31 AM
Ok, so what happens when a "Speed Metal" band records a ballad?

Do they become a "Speed Limit" band?

Personally, I think all these titles are just bullshit made up by so called music critics, who can't think of a more creative way of explaining a certain sound.

JC

But "speed" does not describe the lyrical content. Some metal genre's do some don't. I listen to ALL metal so I don't get caught up in the naming conventions. I know they exist but I don't base my buying habits on what label they fall under. If I like it, I listen to them regardless of their category. As I Lay Dying is a great example as mentioned above. They are a metal band that has christian members but they are not classified as a christian metal band.

HurricaneHeather
07-09-2009, 10:33 AM
Just my two cents:

Most Christians get upset if a 'Christian' band tries to go mainstream and leaves off the 'Christian' when describing what kind of band they are.

Switchfoot and POD are good examples. They actually get some play on mainstream radio and Christians are then upset that they 'sold out'. It's not really fair to the bands made of christian members with christian themed music who actually have talent and could make it to mainstream. They can't really win. :lol:

Trip
07-09-2009, 10:40 AM
Just my two cents:

Most Christians get upset if a 'Christian' band tries to go mainstream and leaves off the 'Christian' when describing what kind of band they are.

Switchfoot and POD are good examples. They actually get some play on mainstream radio and Christians are then upset that they 'sold out'. It's not really fair to the bands made of christian members with christian themed music who actually have talent and could make it to mainstream. They can't really win. :lol:

That's true of any genre. The core fans always get pissy when a band "sells out."

Rider
07-09-2009, 10:41 AM
Just my two cents:

Most Christians get upset if a 'Christian' band tries to go mainstream and leaves off the 'Christian' when describing what kind of band they are.

Switchfoot and POD are good examples. They actually get some play on mainstream radio and Christians are then upset that they 'sold out'. It's not really fair to the bands made of christian members with christian themed music who actually have talent and could make it to mainstream. They can't really win. :lol:

I don't know anything about switchfoot but POD was never classified and a christian band. They are christians and their lyrical content includes christian subject matter but they were never put in the christain rock genre.

HurricaneHeather
07-09-2009, 10:49 AM
I don't know anything about switchfoot but POD was never classified and a christian band. They are christians and their lyrical content includes christian subject matter but they were never put in the christain rock genre.

Because they didn't want to be classified as christian and therefore ruin their chances of being mainstream. That was my whole point. They sell POD albums at Christian bookstores because they are christian and they have christian themed music, but Christians bitch about how they 'sold out' by not labeling themselves as christian rock.

Avatard
07-09-2009, 10:52 AM
That's true of any genre. The core fans always get pissy when a band "sells out."

This one always makes me laugh. Every band hopes to "make it", and when they do, fans feel betrayed? I think it's just that they wanna feel like they "discovered" something private, that everyone else isn't hip enough to understand, and when they find out that they are not some fucking unique geniuses, and that other people like that shit too, they are heartbroken.

Too bad, so sad. "Making it" is not "selling out". The ultimate expression of an artist is to touch as many people with your art as possible.

Again; Bassplayer, if this really is your goal, consider not limiting your reach with labels.

Trip
07-09-2009, 10:54 AM
This one always makes me laugh. Every band hopes to "make it", and when they do, fans feel betrayed? I think it's just that they wanna feel like they "discovered" something private, that everyone else isn't hip enough to understand, and when they find out that they are not some fucking unique geniuses, and that other people like that shit too, they are heartbroken.

Too bad, so sad. "Making it" is not "selling out". The ultimate expression of an artist is to touch as many people with your art as possible.

Again; Bassplayer, if this really is your goal, consider not limiting your reach with labels.

yeah, i laugh at that too.

Trip
07-09-2009, 10:56 AM
Anyone see that episode of South Park where Kyle and Cartman had a race to see who could get a platinum album and Cartman went religious music route and got a mur album or something instead of a platinum? That was a good episode.

Anyone remember the name of the band?

Rider
07-09-2009, 10:58 AM
This one always makes me laugh. Every band hopes to "make it", and when they do, fans feel betrayed? I think it's just that they wanna feel like they "discovered" something private, that everyone else isn't hip enough to understand, and when they find out that they are not some fucking unique geniuses, and that other people like that shit too, they are heartbroken.

Too bad, so sad. "Making it" is not "selling out". The ultimate expression of an artist is to touch as many people with your art as possible.

Again; Bassplayer, if this really is your goal, consider not limiting your reach with labels.

When you change your musical style just to "make it" you are selling out. Metallica is a classic example. Their music really sucks now. I don't care that they are much more popular now. There are plenty of bands that make it that have never had to deviate from their original style. When you change your music.. it's a sell out.

Avatard
07-09-2009, 11:05 AM
Why is touching more people "selling out"?

There is no greater reward as an artist, than having an entire crowd of people singing your lyrics back at you. It means you connected with them.

Here's something I have learned about music, that I feel is of ultimate importance:

The only other thing that can transport a person to another time and place, and bring back memories of the past, what you were feeling, what you were doing, EXACTLY where you were is the sense of SMELL. One of the five basic senses.

That means that music hits you as hard as one of your innate senses. That's an awful powerful gift to be given; the ability to touch people THAT deeply. Being able to do that on a large scale is just a bigger gift, it's never "selling out".

Trip
07-09-2009, 11:08 AM
I agree, the term selling out is to make people who try to be the unconformists feel better about themselves because their daddy didn't love them.

Rider
07-09-2009, 11:10 AM
Why is touching more people "selling out"?

There is no greater reward as an artist, than having an entire crowd of people singing your lyrics back at you. It means you connected with them.

Here's something I have learned about music, that I feel is of ultimate importance:

The only other thing that can transport a person to another time and place, and bring back memories of the past, what you were feeling, what you were doing, EXACTLY where you were is the sense of SMELL. One of the five basic senses.

That means that music hits you as hard as one of your innate senses. That's an awful powerful gift to be given; the ability to touch people THAT deeply. Being able to do that on a large scale is just a bigger gift, it's never "selling out".

Then why change styles? Why not start that way from the beginning if your ultimate goal was to have fans sing your songs back to you? I'm not saying it's wrong to have a goal to be successful. That should be every bands goal. I'm just saying it's wrong to alienate your early fans.

Avatard
07-09-2009, 11:14 AM
Then why change styles?

Because good musicians evolve, musically.

Please note: This does not mean that I consider Metallica good music, nor anyone in the fucking band good musicians. I'm just sayin'...

Trip
07-09-2009, 11:18 AM
Then why change styles?

Your choice in music and style can change. Hell I don't listen to a lot of the crap I did in high school. My taste in music change substantially growing up. I think a band should be afforded that luxury as well.

Avatard
07-09-2009, 11:20 AM
Zactly.

pauldun170
07-09-2009, 11:20 AM
Did Mettalica sell out or just changed to reflect there age?

You can only channel so much angst and anger when your biggest concern is how to meet with your advisor about balancing your portfolio prior to going on tour.

Rider
07-09-2009, 11:20 AM
Because good musicians evolve, musically.

Please note: This does not mean that I consider Metallica good music, nor anyone in the fucking band good musicians. I'm just sayin'...

Fair enough. I guess that's why I don't like most of the band I liked 10 years ago. I know I have evolved as a music listener. I find that year after year I find myself listening to heavier music than I did the year before.

Trip
07-09-2009, 11:21 AM
Actually I do think there could be valid term for sellout. A group or individual formed by others and music is written by others to create mainstream pop music that is not of interest to the individual/group solely to make money. AKA boy bands.

Rider
07-09-2009, 11:23 AM
Did Mettalica sell out or just changed to reflect there age?

You can only channel so much angst and anger when your biggest concern is how to meet with your advisor about balancing your portfolio prior to going on tour.

Wrong, see my post below yours.

HurricaneHeather
07-09-2009, 11:24 AM
Actually I do think there could be valid term for sellout. A group or individual formed by others and music is written by others to create mainstream pop music that is not of interest to the individual/group solely to make money. AKA boy bands.

What are you talking about?! Backstreet Boys is the shiznit! :rofl:

Wrong, see my post below yours.

Yeah, but when you are old, no one wants to hear your bitchin.

Rider
07-09-2009, 11:27 AM
Reminds me of when I was wathing a show about the history of Metal and Jerry Cantrell of Alice In Chains was talking about Metallica being a sell out. He said, you know what, they sell out every night.

Avatard
07-09-2009, 11:27 AM
Actually I do think there could be valid term for sellout. A group or individual formed by others and music is written by others to create mainstream pop music that is not of interest to the individual/group solely to make money. AKA boy bands.


Hmm...shaky concept, Trip.

Lately, I write a lot of straight-for-the-jugular pop. Shit I couldn't, as a nearly 50-year-old-man, possibly get away with singing myself. Is it contrivance? Maybe. I only know it's what sometimes plays on the "radio in my head", and I usually try to jot it down when I dig that it's shit I'm actually writing in real time, and not something I heard from another artist just playing in my head (which also happens at least 60% of the time). It's probably a product of the fact that I have a teenage daughter, and the genre is "rubbing off".

If I produced this music, and had my 16-year-old daughter (a very talented vocalist) sing this shit, and it goes platinum, am I a sell-out?

Amber Lamps
07-09-2009, 11:33 AM
Anyone see that episode of South Park where Kyle and Cartman had a race to see who could get a platinum album and Cartman went religious music route and got a mur album or something instead of a platinum? That was a good episode.

Anyone remember the name of the band?

Faith p l u s o n e

Trip
07-09-2009, 11:37 AM
Hmm...shaky concept, Trip.

Lately, I write a lot of straight-for-the-jugular pop. Shit I couldn't, as a nearly 50-year-old-man, possibly get away with singing myself. Is it contrivance? Maybe. I only know it's what sometimes plays on the "radio in my head", and I usually try to jot it down when I dig that it's shit I'm actually writing in real time, and not something I heard from another artist just playing in my head (which also happens at least 60% of the time). It's probably a product of the fact that I have a teenage daughter, and the genre is "rubbing off".

If I produced this music, and had my 16-year-old daughter (a very talented vocalist) sing this shit, and it goes platinum, am I a sell-out?

no, your daughter would be the sellout according to what I said. :nee: It's just a lucrative job for you.

Faith p l u s o n e

damn, lol

Amber Lamps
07-09-2009, 11:38 AM
no, your daughter would be the sellout according to what I said. :nee: It's just a lucrative job for you.



damn, lol

yea bitch!:lol:

askmrjesus
07-09-2009, 11:41 AM
If I produced this music, and had my 16-year-old daughter (a very talented vocalist) sing this shit, and it goes platinum, am I a sell-out?

Nope, just a musician with a solid business plan.

Does anybody really believe that, "As I lay Dying" has some deep social issues they're trying to communicate?

No, they saw a Danzig concert, and decided they could make money yelling RAWWWR! into a microphone. :lol:

JC

Avatard
07-09-2009, 11:41 AM
no, your daughter would be the sellout according to what I said. :nee: It's just a lucrative job for you.

Many artists don't write their own music. Not every talented singer is also a gifted songwriter...so they sing other people's songs. How does this make them a sell-out?

Trip
07-09-2009, 11:53 AM
Many artists don't write their own music. Not every talented singer is also a gifted songwriter...so they sing other people's songs. How does this make them a sell-out?

If she is solely singing the music as a way to make lots of money and has no interest in it. Is it smart financially? Absolutely. That's why it's a sellout, you are comprimising your music to make bank.

AquaPython
07-09-2009, 11:59 AM
no, thats still not being a sell out. a sell out would be like the band KISS , they started off trying to make music they liked, and their original fans liked, but then changed things about their music, to fit a wider, more generic range of people, solely for marketing and bottom line checks. when they started straying from the rock base to soft mushy ballads and showing up on lunchboxes and cartoons, that is being a sellout.

its the transition from being a genuine musician -> music business entrepreneur , that exploits people and their loyalties.

askmrjesus
07-09-2009, 12:03 PM
no, thats still not being a sell out. a sell out would be like the band KISS , they started off trying to make music they liked, and their original fans liked, but then changed things about their music, to fit a wider, more generic range of people, solely for marketing and bottom line checks. when they started straying from the rock base to soft mushy ballads and showing up on lunchboxes and cartoons, that is being a sellout.

Then again, "Beth" is probably one of the best songs they ever made.

KISS is not a very good example. They didn't dress up like that based on some sort of musical integrity. :lol:

JC

Avatard
07-09-2009, 12:03 PM
If she is solely singing the music as a way to make lots of money and has no interest in it. Is it smart financially? Absolutely. That's why it's a sellout, you are comprimising your music to make bank.

So singers who can't write their own material should only choose shitty songs that probably won't sell, or reach a wide audience?

Trip
07-09-2009, 12:06 PM
So singers who can't write their own material should only choose shitty songs that probably won't sell, or reach a wide public?

No, you can choose mainstream music if that is what you like. You have to comprimise yourself or your musical choice in some way.

Avatard
07-09-2009, 12:09 PM
Remember; a musician also needs to eat, and their music has to reach enough of an audience that they can get HIRED in the first place. Music is almost always compromised thus, at least to some degree. At what point exactly does it become reprehensible? As soon as they are well fed?

askmrjesus
07-09-2009, 12:14 PM
No, you can choose mainstream music if that is what you like. You have to comprimise yourself or your musical choice in some way.

You could sit in your basement, and write 300 songs about your cat, but if nobody is going to listen to them, what's the point?

JC

AquaPython
07-09-2009, 12:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0e6LUTjzX0


actually KISS is a classic sellout example....

HurricaneHeather
07-09-2009, 12:15 PM
You could sit in your basement, and write 300 songs about your cat, but if nobody is going to listen to them, what's the point?

JC

Your cat will know how much you love her?

Avatard
07-09-2009, 12:17 PM
Your cat will know how much you love her?

No. Cats only care to be fed, and petted. They could care less if you sing or play. To them, it's only, at best, a distraction between feedings.

HurricaneHeather
07-09-2009, 12:20 PM
No. Cats only care to be fed, and petted. They could care less if you sing or play. To them, it's only, at best, a distraction between feedings.

Ohhhhh...I beg to differ. :lol:

I bought a recorder(the little instrument) and was trying to play it but had to stop because my cat kept jumping on my lap to rub her face on it. She really likes music. Especially when I sing Violent Femmes to her. :lol: She's a weird cat.

askmrjesus
07-09-2009, 12:23 PM
Every time I plug my guitar in, my cat runs out of the room.

She's a very smart cat. :lol:

JC

Avatard
07-09-2009, 12:23 PM
Ohhhhh...I beg to differ. :lol:

I bought a recorder(the little instrument) and was trying to play it but had to stop because my cat kept jumping on my lap to rub her face on it. She really likes music. Especially when I sing Violent Femmes to her. :lol: She's a weird cat.

Oh, I've had cats that like music. They just don't give a shit if you write songs for them (unless you really say their name a lot in the song) and care more about the food. Even then, if you say their name a lot in the song, they just think you wanna feed 'em. I should have been more specific...

HurricaneHeather
07-09-2009, 12:25 PM
Oh, I've had cats that like music. They just don't give a shit if you write songs for them, and care more about the food. I should have been more specific...

Ah, that may be true. Eva likes Blister in the Sun better than the songs I write for her...

Avatard
07-09-2009, 12:27 PM
Try smelly cat.

Trip
07-09-2009, 12:34 PM
You could sit in your basement, and write 300 songs about your cat, but if nobody is going to listen to them, what's the point?

JC

Because you enjoy it.

HurricaneHeather
07-09-2009, 12:35 PM
Try smelly cat.

Allright. I'll try that one tonight and see how she reacts. I changed it up a while back and sang Kodachrome(Paul Simon) to her and she seemed to like it. She is pretty stuck in her ways though.

Avatard
07-09-2009, 12:35 PM
Cat-Metal?

HurricaneHeather
07-09-2009, 12:36 PM
Cat-Metal?

:rofl:

Avatard
07-09-2009, 12:37 PM
Yes, I believe it's official; this thread has come full circle. My work is done here.

HurricaneHeather
07-09-2009, 12:39 PM
Yes, I believe it's official; this thread has come full circle. My work is done here.

:dthumb: Good jorb.

marko138
07-09-2009, 01:22 PM
Yes, I believe it's official; this thread has come full circle. My work is done here.
And it only took 6 pages. About a quarter of the normal rotation.

HurricaneHeather
07-09-2009, 01:23 PM
And it only took 6 pages. About a quarter of the normal rotation.

We are evolving.

marko138
07-09-2009, 01:23 PM
We are evolving.
Rather quickly no less.

Bassplayer
07-09-2009, 05:55 PM
Dayum... This thread went to a place I had No idea it would go to :lol

I dont want people to get caught up in the genre.
I want people to listen to us, and if they like it great.
And if they get something more out of our lyrics that are Christian faith based great.
If not, cool, to each their own.

:rockwoot:

Amber Lamps
07-09-2009, 07:14 PM
Dayum... This thread went to a place I had No idea it would go to :lol

I dont want people to get caught up in the genre.
I want people to listen to us, and if they like it great.
And if they get something more out of our lyrics that are Christian faith based great.
If not, cool, to each their own.

:rockwoot:


FWIW, I agree with Avatard in that if you want unbiased opinions on your music. Record a track to youtube or whatever and send a link with getting into the genre. it may be the greatest music ever but if you label it "Gangster Rap" most people on this forum will hate it without ever hearing a note!:idk:
Anyway, record something and let us give it a listen, I for one am curious about what you have.:rockwoot: