Animated Engines

[pauldun170]

http://www.animatedengines.com/index.shtml

[derf]

Thats cool as hell

[Particle Man]

That's awesome!

[HurricaneHeather]

Nerds.

[askmrjesus]

Finally, a four-stroke engine with a magical self-activating intake valve!

It's about time!

JC

[Particle Man]

Finally, a four-stroke engine with a magical self-activating intake valve!

It's about time!

JC

hater :lol:

[Amber Lamps]

Finally, a four-stroke engine with a magical self-activating intake valve!

It's about time!

JC

Score!

"During the intake stroke, the piston moves downward, drawing a fresh charge of vaporized fuel/air mixture. The illustrated engine features a poppet intake valve which is drawn open by the vacuum produced by the intake stroke. Some early engines worked this way; however, most modern engines incorporate an extra cam/lifter arrangement as seen on the exhaust valve. The exhaust valve is held shut by a spring (not illustrated here)."

[askmrjesus]

The exhaust valve is held shut by a spring (not illustrated here)."

Translation:

"We were too busy smoking crack to draw a spring, sorry."

JC

['73 H1 Triple]

Translation:

"We were too busy smoking crack to draw a spring, sorry."

JC

Or " We used the design of the engines that moved the United States into the forefront of manufacturing in the late 19th century." :yes:

[Avatard]

Shows how an expansion pipe effectively "turbocharges" a 2-stroke from the ass end.

http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Arbeitsweise_Zweitakt.gif

[Dave]

damn you guys for posting that link. now ive got this unreasonable hope for a modern RGV 500 with direct gas and oil injection. again i know its never gonna happen. a-holes

:D

[Amber Lamps]

Or " We used the design of the engines that moved the United States into the forefront of manufacturing in the late 19th century." :yes:

Exactly!

[Dave]

and now im addicted to youtube videos of gnome rotaries. never did know what those were called :lol:

[askmrjesus]

Exactly!

Yes! Exactly!

In an overhead valve engines didn't come along until the early 20th century, because everyone in the 19th century was using side valve engines sort of way.

Other than that, yes, EXACTLY! :lol:

JC

[Rider]

Shows how an expansion pipe effectively "turbocharges" a 2-stroke from the ass end.

http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Arbeitsweise_Zweitakt.gif

I love the 2 stroke motor.

[Amber Lamps]

Yes! Exactly!

In an overhead valve engines didn't come along until the early 20th century, because everyone in the 19th century was using side valve engines sort of way.

Other than that, yes, EXACTLY! :lol:

JC

Are you really that nit picky that you're gonna go on about where the intake valve happens to be situated in the diagram? You realize that some motor have sideways firing pistons right? Then what? Oh don't tell me you were the lead engine designer for Volvo in the 1970s....

[Phenix_Rider]

I had heard early harleys- like pre WWII. Had springless intake valves. Seriously limited compression and RPMs.
Very cool link.

[Amber Lamps]

I had heard early harleys- like pre WWII. Had springless intake valves. Seriously limited compression and RPMs.
Very cool link.

No! That is not possible because the knower of all things says that it is not!!! The maker of this website is probably a mechanical engineering professor but I'm sure that A M J knows better!!! Yeesh!

[Rider]

I had heard early harleys- like pre WWII. Had springless intake valves. Seriously limited compression and RPMs.
Very cool link.

Springless intake valves but the exhaust had springs though? How in the hell would that work? The air would take the path of least resistance and blow back out the intake valves.

[Amber Lamps]

Springless intake valves but the exhaust had springs though? How in the hell would that work? The air would take the path of least resistance and blow back out the intake valves.

Hmmm... well not if the valve is one way, so to speak... although I must confess to wonderin what keeps it seated until vacuum opens it? The pressure of the exhaust gasses until they are released?

[Rider]

Hmmm... well not if the valve is one way, so to speak... although I must confess to wonderin what keeps it seated until vacuum opens it? The pressure of the exhaust gasses until they are released?

But see it would work more like a 2 stroke at that point. Intake, exhaust, intake exhaust. Where is your compression and power stroke (both valves closed)? Seems like the power stroke would open the intake valve and blow the exhaust out.

[shmike]

But see it would work more like a 2 stroke at that point. Intake, exhaust, intake exhaust. Where is your compression and power stroke (both valves closed)? Seems like the power stroke would open the intake valve and blow the exhaust out.

The power stroke is caused by the explosion in the cylinder.

The fuel is expanding pushing out in all directions. The same force that drives the piston down would be forcing both valves closed.

The only time there is a lack of pressure in the cylinder is during the intake stroke.

[askmrjesus]

No! That is not possible because the knower of all things says that it is not!!! The maker of this website is probably a mechanical engineering professor but I'm sure that A M J knows better!!! Yeesh!

"Intake over Engine" configurations (what Phenix is referring to) aren't the same as OHV configurations, as shown in the original diagram. I don't give a fuck if the maker of the website is Albert Einstein, no one ever made an OHV engine with spring-less intake valves. (Except Ducati...)

Here's a picture of an IOE engine:

http://blog.autoworld.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/f-head.JPG

Does the intake valve move up and down all by itself? No, dumb ass, it does not. :lol: Harley's very first engines used a vacuum operated intake valve, but not in an OHV head.

BTW, the direction of the piston, up and down, back and forth, sideways, or at an angle up your ass, has no bearing on the function of the valve train, so why don't you go polish something shiny, and shut the fuck up.

JC

[Rider]

The power stroke is caused by the explosion in the cylinder.

The fuel is expanding pushing out in all directions. The same force that drives the piston down would be forcing both valves closed.

The only time there is a lack of pressure in the cylinder is during the intake stroke.

Yeah but wouldn't the downward motion of the piston pull the intake valve open? I guess what your saying makes sense, i just have a hard time envisioning it. But what else is new? With no spring to keep the valve closed why would it not just stay open at least part of the cycle. It certainly would not have been as efficient as today's engines with springs on both intake and exhaust. .

[askmrjesus]

The power stroke is caused by the explosion in the cylinder.

The fuel is expanding pushing out in all directions. The same force that drives the piston down would be forcing both valves closed.

The only time there is a lack of pressure in the cylinder is during the intake stroke.

We have a bingo.

The design worked so well, that Harley used it for maybe 2 years (?) before they switched to a cam driven intake, similar to the later flathead motor.

JC

[shmike]

I don't give a fuck if the maker of the website is Albert Einstein, no one ever made an OHV engine with spring-less intake valves. (Except Ducati...)


JC

You mean no one since 1959, right? ;)

[Rider]

http://blog.autoworld.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/f-head.JPG


JC

Horizontally apposed valves? Cool, I've never seen that design before.

[Amber Lamps]

You mean no one since 1959, right? ;)

Will you please prove it... I am so tired of this asshole calling me names! I never said that I'm an expert on engine design but apparently he is an expert in everything and no one else is allowed to post or have any opinion or thoughts what-so-ever!!! Fuck, I guess we should all leave him to his forum and peddle our stupid thoughts and ideas elsewhere...

[shmike]

Yeah but wouldn't the downward motion of the piston pull the intake valve open? I guess what your saying makes sense, i just have a hard time envisioning it. But what else is new? With no spring to keep the valve closed why would it not just stay open at least part of the cycle. It certainly would not have been as efficient as today's engines with springs on both intake and exhaust. .

The direction of this piston doesn't matter.

You are thinking down = pulling.

The "pulling" effect is the low pressure environment on the intake stroke. On the other three strokes, cylinder pressure is greater than its surroundings which would force the valves closed.

I understand having trouble visualizing it. If only someone would design a website with an animated example...

[askmrjesus]

You mean no one since 1959, right? ;)

Which, I believe, occurred sometime in the 20th century. ;)

JC

[askmrjesus]

Horizontally apposed valves? Cool, I've never seen that design before.

It went out in the 60's, so don't feel bad. :lol:

JC

[shmike]

Which, I believe, occurred sometime in the 20th century. ;)

JC

No shit? :lol:

I tried to call your bluff on the dates but you were right. (I was thinking late 1900's too.) :idk:

Mr. Buick came up with the OHV in 1902.

My comment was about Ducati. They did not invent the desmo valve and were certainly not the first to race it.

It was used in cars before it was used in bikes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmodromic_valve

[Amber Lamps]

"Intake over Engine" configurations (what Phenix is referring to) aren't the same as OHV configurations, as shown in the original diagram. I don't give a fuck if the maker of the website is Albert Einstein, no one ever made an OHV engine with spring-less intake valves. (Except Ducati...)

Here's a picture of an IOE engine:

http://blog.autoworld.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/f-head.JPG

Does the intake valve move up and down all by itself? No, dumb ass, it does not. :lol: Harley's very first engines used a vacuum operated intake valve, but not in an OHV head.

BTW, the direction of the piston, up and down, back and forth, sideways, or at an angle up your ass, has no bearing on the function of the valve train, so why don't you go polish something shiny, and shut the fuck up.

JC

Look I was asking questions not making statements motherfucker okay? You know you don't have to attack, and insult me ALL the time okay? I'm tired of it and I still don't understand why you do it, but I am asking you as politely as I can muster to please stop. Just because I am not a genius like you...

[Amber Lamps]

I knew it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2XuEnNiMF4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ym2Jma04qo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC9mqbImrC8

[askmrjesus]

No shit? :lol:

I tried to call your bluff on the dates but you were right. (I was thinking late 1900's too.) :idk:

Mr. Buick came up with the OHV in 1902.

My comment was about Ducati. They did not invent the desmo valve and were certainly not the first to race it.

It was used in cars before it was used in bikes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmodromic_valve

I knew that. :lol:

I thought you were going to go off me with pneumatic valves. :lol:

JC

[askmrjesus]

Look I was asking questions not making statements motherfucker okay? You know you don't have to attack, and insult me ALL the time okay? I'm tired of it and I still don't understand why you do it, but I am asking you as politely as I can muster to please stop. Just because I am not a genius like you...

You're right, I apologize. Sometimes the enormity of my genius clouds my judgment, and causes me to belittle lesser men. I'm not proud of it, it's a burden I carry through my troubled life.

Wait, did you just call me a motherfucker? Well forget all that shit I just said. It's not my fault you run around yelling "EXACTLY!" some like excited farm boy that just saw his first cow booby. Pull your panties up, and stop being such a fucking drama queen.

Asshole.

:lol:

JC

[Amber Lamps]

You're right, I apologize. Sometimes the enormity of my genius clouds my judgment, and causes me to belittle lesser men. I'm not proud of it, it's a burden I carry through my troubled life.

Wait, did you just call me a motherfucker? Well forget all that shit I just said. It's not my fault you run around yelling "EXACTLY!" some like excited farm boy that just saw his first cow booby. Pull your panties up, and stop being such a fucking drama queen.

Asshole.

:lol:

JC

I'm not being a drama queen, you are being a fucking dick! You have constantly attacked me since you first came onto this forum. I have no idea why other than you don't like my opinions or what I say. You take every opportunity to debase and belittle me at every turn. Every time I post, I just wait for you to post after me with some kind of insult. I start a thread about my bike, go figure since this is a motorcycle forum and bang here you come with some shitty remark. I have never initiated a problem with you that I'm aware of, so I am asking you to lay off me. If you don't like me or think that my posts/threads are stupid or "douchebagish" then please, I implore you to stop reading them. If I am so inane and stupid, why do you persist in opening my threads? Ignore them. They are base and full of douchebaggery anyway, why waste your important time with my trivialities? Okay, you've run security for M J, you were the director of some racing series, you worked for NASA during the moon mission, you were Kennedy's aide during the Cuban missile crisis, you were Steven Hawkings teacher when he was in high school, you were on the design team for the Caprice, I get it. You've done it all and know everything. Cool.
I'll just stick to polishing shit and posting about gear and whatnot, is that okay with you, sir?

[askmrjesus]

I'm not being a drama queen, you are being a fucking dick! You have constantly attacked me since you first came onto this forum. I have no idea why other than you don't like my opinions or what I say. You take every opportunity to debase and belittle me at every turn. Every time I post, I just wait for you to post after me with some kind of insult. I start a thread about my bike, go figure since this is a motorcycle forum and bang here you come with some shitty remark. I have never initiated a problem with you that I'm aware of, so I am asking you to lay off me. If you don't like me or think that my posts/threads are stupid or "douchebagish" then please, I implore you to stop reading them. If I am so inane and stupid, why do you persist in opening my threads? Ignore them. They are base and full of douchebaggery anyway, why waste your important time with my trivialities? Okay, you've run security for M J, you were the director of some racing series, you worked for NASA during the moon mission, you were Kennedy's aide during the Cuban missile crisis, you were Steven Hawkings teacher when he was in high school, you were on the design team for the Caprice, I get it. You've done it all and know everything. Cool.
I'll just stick to polishing shit and posting about gear and whatnot, is that okay with you, sir?


Are you going to be ok? :lol:

Should we call someone?

Is there some sort of Emo ghetto, I don't know about?

JC

[Amber Lamps]

Are you going to be ok? :lol:

Should we call someone?

Is there some sort of Emo ghetto, I don't know about?

JC

I'm fine! it's mostly the fucking drugs they have me on, sorry! This fucking lump in my throat makes me choke in my sleep so I don't get much... Anyway, how are you doing? Btw the entire ghetto is way EMO they just don't call it that.:lol:

[Tmall]

Look I was asking questions not making statements motherfucker okay? You know you don't have to attack, and insult me ALL the time okay? I'm tired of it and I still don't understand why you do it, but I am asking you as politely as I can muster to please stop. Just because I am not a genius like you...



He's a douchebag. I don't even know why you let it bother you.

He pretends to be Jesus on a message board for fuck sake..

[askmrjesus]

He pretends to be Jesus on a message board for fuck sake..

Jew.

JC

[HurricaneHeather]

Well, I wasn't sure how a thread about animated engines could have gotten over 40 replies. Now I know. :lol:

[Amber Lamps]

He's a douchebag. I don't even know why you let it bother you.

He pretends to be Jesus on a message board for fuck sake..

Yea I know, I just get tired sometimes now, that's all. Thanks.

[Kaneman]

hahahahahaha, this thread is fucking hilarious.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/PsychoMedic/funny-pictures-cat-wonders-why-you-.jpg
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[pauldun170]

You're right, I apologize. Sometimes the enormity of my genius clouds my judgment, and causes me to belittle lesser men. I'm not proud of it, it's a burden I carry through my troubled life.

Wait, did you just call me a motherfucker? Well forget all that shit I just said. It's not my fault you run around yelling "EXACTLY!" some like excited farm boy that just saw his first cow booby. Pull your panties up, and stop being such a fucking drama queen.

Asshole.

:lol:

JC

I'm not being a drama queen, you are being a fucking dick! You have constantly attacked me since you first came onto this forum. I have no idea why other than you don't like my opinions or what I say. You take every opportunity to debase and belittle me at every turn. Every time I post, I just wait for you to post after me with some kind of insult. I start a thread about my bike, go figure since this is a motorcycle forum and bang here you come with some shitty remark. I have never initiated a problem with you that I'm aware of, so I am asking you to lay off me. If you don't like me or think that my posts/threads are stupid or "douchebagish" then please, I implore you to stop reading them. If I am so inane and stupid, why do you persist in opening my threads? Ignore them. They are base and full of douchebaggery anyway, why waste your important time with my trivialities? Okay, you've run security for M J, you were the director of some racing series, you worked for NASA during the moon mission, you were Kennedy's aide during the Cuban missile crisis, you were Steven Hawkings teacher when he was in high school, you were on the design team for the Caprice, I get it. You've done it all and know everything. Cool.
I'll just stick to polishing shit and posting about gear and whatnot, is that okay with you, sir?

Are you going to be ok? :lol:

Should we call someone?

Is there some sort of Emo ghetto, I don't know about?

JC
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[Particle Man]

Well, I wasn't sure how a thread about animated engines could have gotten over 40 replies. Now I know. :lol:

:lol: you had to ask?

[Avatard]

Are you going to be ok? :lol:

Should we call someone?

Is there some sort of Emo ghetto, I don't know about?

JC

http://poopnugget.com/files/emowall.jpg

[pauldun170]

http://poopnugget.com/files/emowall.jpg

well hey there

[pauldun170]

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[the chi]

snort

I was wondering the same thing. Im trying to visualize engines internal workings, then BAM! Implied face palm. Its over, I cant do it.

:lol:

[HRCNICK11]

That site is cool but they left out 6 strokes, several rotarys and 6 stroke combustion to steam engines.

[Rider]

That site is cool but they left out 6 strokes, several rotarys and 6 stroke combustion to steam engines.

6 stroke? Care to elaborate?

[Tmall]

A 6 stroke uses water injection instead of fuel for 2 strokes.


The water flashes off, expands and acts on the piston like combustion would.

I've only heard of it in diesel engines and it significantly lowers operating temperatures. You save a lot of weight by a smaller cooling system, but you have to carry around a tank of water.

I'm also unsure if the water needs to be treated or not, or if you can fill it from a garden hose.

[pauldun170]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt9NGA0GhQo

[HRCNICK11]

There is also one with 2 pistons that face each other and the top piston uncovers the valve type area the top pston turns at half the speed of the bottom one so you get 6 strokes for the normal four.

The other one is a gas or diesel engine that also has a steam stroke by directly injecting water in to cool the engine and make a extra power stroke.

[HRCNICK11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_stroke_engine